Comments on: AskMe Deletion

AskMe Deletion

WCityMike — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:13:48 -0800

This thread was deleted, but I have to admit, I don't understand why. "Ask MeFi isn't for silly hypotheticals," sez Matt, but hasn't it been before? And if not, exactly how practical must Ask MeFi questions be? I've seen plenty of hypotheticals on Ask MeFi before, and this struck me as an interesting thought exercise.

By: crunchland

crunchland — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:29:45 -0800

Eh. Most of the answers were throwaway chatfilter. And just because something made it through before ... heck, maybe Matt's baby was crying loudly, or his wife was nagging him, or who knows what. Quit looking for absolutes. You won't find them. Whichever way the wind happens to be blowing at the time.

By: smackfu

smackfu — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:29:46 -0800

I was only surprised it wasn't deleted faster. It's an opinion poll with an imaginary framework and that just leads to wanking.

By: grobstein

grobstein — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:30:53 -0800

The question isn't stated as a hypothetical. . . .

By: LarryC

LarryC — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:33:15 -0800

Man, that AskMe had great potential! It could have evolved into something like the question about knife fighting a grizzly bear. But it was sadly cut down in its infancy. Strangled in the cradle. Aborted in the womb. Sigh.

By: Afroblanco

Afroblanco — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:40:59 -0800

Yeah, but it could have also ended in elephants pissing.

By: cgc373

cgc373 — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:51:43 -0800

Or in a terrible series of paradoxical vortices that pull apart the fabric of a website, first, before ultimately drawing down the moon, sun, stars, and outer space itself and time into a . . . aw, it'd probably just have petered out.

By: ikkyu2

ikkyu2 — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:34:58 -0800

Better ask Captain Haughey and Jessamyn, aka Captain and Mrs. Fun.

By: mathowie

mathowie — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:35:36 -0800

The nature of running a site where posts go up without any approval, and edit/removal only comes later has its problems. If you don't squash every single objectionable one using totally clear black and white methodology, then someone, somewhere will disagree with it.

I didn't look at ask mefi for maybe an hour while eating dinner and didn't catch it until a bunch of silly answers went up. Many hypothetical questions get deleted earlier on, but you probably don't hear about them or remember them because no one noticed. Sometimes silly hypothetical questions stick around when there are far too many answers hours into it. The system isn't perfect, but I would hope that people stick to questions based on situations that might really happen.

Types of posts likely to be removed covers this: ""what if" questions along the lines of "What if Hitler had never been born?""

By: delmoi

delmoi — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:18:27 -0800

Haha, that question is helarious.

There seem to be a lot of time travel hypotheticals on ask getting deleted.

By: delmoi

delmoi — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:22:27 -0800

From the thread:

In fact, if I went to jail for killing my future self, I would demand DNA testing on myself and the decedent, proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that we were genetically identical. I would then be the first person ever incarcerated for the crime of completed suicide, guaranteeing my place in the history books - and, a few years later, I would be guaranteed a daring jailbreak, probably via timetravel-associated mattermission!

--ikkyu2

Jailbreak followed by death.

By: ikkyu2

ikkyu2 — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:30:55 -0800

That's how you see it, delmoi. I see only the opportunity to answer the oldest question of humankind - free will or predestination!

Matt's totally right, of course.

By: loquacious

loquacious — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:05:51 -0800

The question lives on - sorta - over at MetaChat.

By: matteo

matteo — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:35:25 -0800

Matt has to draw the line somewhere or the site would become a huge chatroom -- one clear solution to the problem of people disagreeing with his choices is, well, to create a queue for posts so he can choose which one get published and which don't -- but that would go against MeFi's tradition, where we all can post and it'll go live on the front page

the question itself was very silly, by the way. and the answers weren't that entertaining

By: weapons-grade pandemonium

weapons-grade pandemonium — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:46:28 -0800

Both Matt and God give us free will with intermittent deletions.
And the oldest question of humankind is "What's to eat?"

By: stavrosthewonderchicken

stavrosthewonderchicken — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:00:15 -0800

I count 75 questions posted for April 26th (I was going to post a new thread about it, but I've shot my wad for the week). That's enough already.

Either give us a longer page (one day view), or a dropdown to select (as on the Blue), or delete away, say I.

By: antifuse

antifuse — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 02:20:24 -0800

Holy crap, do we really need a MeTa thread every time a chatfilter question gets deleted from AskMe? Yes, Matt/Jess is going to delete chatfilter questions. Yes, some will make it through if they're worded properly. No, this one does not deserve to live on.

By: keijo

keijo — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 04:49:47 -0800

For one, I think that was sort of an interesting question and thought exercise. Although I do think it would have been more appropriate for MeCha where more conversational topics are allowed.

Then again, I'm getting very tired of these numerous MeTa callouts every day when you can just flag them and let the admins deal with them.

By: Plutor

Plutor — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 04:56:44 -0800

If it had been asked like this, it probably would have been kept:

"Last night, I answered the doorbell to find a man who looked a lot like myself, but with more wrinkles and slightly greying hair. He claimed he was my time-travelling self from 2011, and after giving him the third-degree, my wife and I believed him. He needed a place to stay, but he wanted to sleep in the bed with my (our?) wife. I made him sleep on the couch. This morning, he was gone, and my wife admitted that they (we?) had sex while I was asleep next to them (I'm a heavy sleeper). What should I do? Was I wrong to make him sleep on the couch? Am I wrong to be jealous? Did she even technically cheat on me? Should I divorce her?"

By: bonaldi

bonaldi — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 05:12:25 -0800

and the answers would all have been "the relationship's doomed, you have to dump her. right now"

By: keijo

keijo — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 05:15:13 -0800

Or, "go see a shrink, IANAD!"

By: dgaicun

dgaicun — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 05:50:44 -0800

That would've been hilarious. It's best to follow-up incredible lies like that with "I swear to god that's what happened". Then people will believe you. In 100 years over 12 million people will believe you, and it will be called Mormonism.

By: PinkStainlessTail

PinkStainlessTail — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:19:18 -0800

Oconomowoc.

By: dgaicun

dgaicun — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:22:51 -0800

Thanks to the deletion, we're missing out on so many poignant insights. Such as:

"Yo, I would so fuck myself . . . And who would know better how to pleasure me than an older, more experienced me?"

By: monju_bosatsu

monju_bosatsu — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:27:43 -0800

But questions about how zombie muscles work get highlighted on the sidebar. Just sayin'.

By: Orange Goblin

Orange Goblin — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:43:49 -0800

Don't you know? Zombies are real, time travel isn't.

By: klangklangston

klangklangston — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:01:08 -0800

The zombie question was not retarded. This one was. Ergo, clear deletion. (Matt's too sweet to just call stuff on being high school stoner bullshit).

By: dgaicun

dgaicun — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:14:06 -0800

MetaFilter: high school stoner bullshit

By: Meatbomb

Meatbomb — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:14:23 -0800

What is wrong with highschool stoner bullshit, klang buddy?
*glares threateningly*

By: Kirth Gerson

Kirth Gerson — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:22:51 -0800

The question isn't stated as a hypothetical. . . .

So, you're implying that the poster is a time-traveler? Then it should be trivial for him to find out that his AskMe question will be deleted, and save himself (and Matt) the trouble.

By: cillit bang

cillit bang — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:27:44 -0800

Don't you know? Zombies are real, time travel isn't.

Yeah, but the zombie one was asking for information about how real human muscles would work. The time travel one was purely a hypothetical thought experiment.

By: cortex

cortex — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:43:45 -0800

exactly how practical must Ask MeFi questions be?

You'll never get an answer to this question. God help us if such a metric ever comes to exist—Matt will have receded, like some websphere Howard Hughes, into a sterile administrative chamber where he will subsist on a cocktail of drugs and hold vicious, exacting court over the petty minutea of all that falls before him.

By: mediareport

mediareport — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:54:47 -0800

I thought the time-travel paradox was interesting, but Matt's right. I'm embarrassed I got sucked into that one.

By: scarabic

scarabic — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:22:47 -0800

2 seconds of Googling would show that that question has already been answered.

By: trondant

trondant — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:51:44 -0800

But questions about how zombie muscles work get highlighted on the sidebar. Just sayin'.

Don't you know? Zombies are real, time travel isn't.

Zombie muscles was illustrated. I'm guessing the time travel question wasn't, but seeing as I missed it, how would I know?

Look, the answer is staring us in the face here. Matt's discouraging time travel questions because he's afraid we might go back in time and actually read a silly AskMe. As far as he's concerned, the less we know about time travel, the better.

By: blue_beetle

blue_beetle — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:07:04 -0800

Timetravelling Zombies on a Plane? Now there's a freak'n movie!

By: edgeways

edgeways — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:32:14 -0800

The snip, snip, slice, slice
MeCha for silly threads, duh.
I flagged this myself

By: cortex

cortex — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:47:53 -0800

I can't find the "myself" option in the drop down. XP, IE6.

By: vacapinta

vacapinta — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:58:40 -0800

The thing is that there is an interesting non-scifi question in there. No time travel is needed.

I struggle (as do others) with just how much attention I should pay to FutureMe. This goes directly to such issues as how much to plan for retirement, how many risks to take in life etc. Many long-term decisions are this compromise between what I want or need now and some ghostly future-person who not only may not even exist (e.g. get hit by a bus tomorrow etc.) but more importantly may have different wants or desires than the ones I think he will have.

Even something like a long-distance relationship where you are alone now but plan to see your loved one in, say, six months is an example of letting FutureMe sleep with your wife. The things I do for him - I hope the bastard appreciates it.

So we are doing this all the time - making this decision.

By: kcm

kcm — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:13:48 -0800

I'd be happy to see another 25%+ deleted. A lot of the material on AskMe seems to be born out of a lack of people to talk to, and while there's nothing inherently wrong with that, there's other more suitable places for it (like real life, or MetaChat, etc.).

By: timeistight

timeistight — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:09:38 -0800

A lot of the material on AskMe seems to be born out of a lack of people to talk to

No, that's MetaTalk.

By: languagehat

languagehat — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:36:30 -0800

Years ago I bribed FutureMe to stay the hell out of my life. So far it's working fine.

By: cgc373

cgc373 — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:41:08 -0800

Well, except for that one time, when you had to bribe him.

By: raedyn

raedyn — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:45:17 -0800

timeistight gets a cookie

By: matteo

matteo — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:53:25 -0800

Timetravelling Zombies on a Plane? Now there's a freak'n movie!

indeed: if you're a desperate screenwriter, timetravel is the perfect way to put zombies on a plane without having them stopped by airport security at the gate. because when the passengers boarded the zombies weren't there.

then the plane takes off and zombies start walking out of the toilets, the overhead luggage racks, the barf bags

By: MarkAnd

MarkAnd — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:58:16 -0800

Apparently the question would be fine if FutureYou became president of Topps.

By: penchant

penchant — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:07:19 -0800

MarkAnd, I was just thinking the same thing...

By: mathowie

mathowie — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:24:54 -0800

topps and the gloved one just got cement shoes.

By: iconomy

iconomy — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:28:47 -0800

Excellent. I look forward to the MetaTalk posts that seek to delve deeper into the reasons for their deletions.

By: ND¢

ND¢ — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:30:14 -0800

But he made Thriller. Thriller.

By: dflemingdotorg

dflemingdotorg — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:42:06 -0800

indeed: if you're a desperate screenwriter, timetravel is the perfect way to put zombies on a plane without having them stopped by airport security at the gate. because when the passengers boarded the zombies weren't there.

then the plane takes off and zombies start walking out of the toilets, the overhead luggage racks, the barf bags

We've had the mefi music compilation; how hard would it be to drum up funding for this? Zombie gold!

By: iconomy

iconomy — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:50:43 -0800

It's hard to believe, but timetravellingzombies.com is still available.

By: blue_beetle

blue_beetle — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:47:56 -0800

I'm guessing they would fly with those new AirBus "standing-room-only" spots.

By: blue_beetle

blue_beetle — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:52:07 -0800

On a related note, Present-Me (Me Prime) will someday die but is currently living, but Future-Me (not Me Prime) is constantly in a state of death/undeath depending on the observers timeframe. Therefore future me is quite probably a zombie. Which I think is a whole different question:

"If a zombie version of myself were to return from the future..."

By: dersins

dersins — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:34:30 -0800

Oconomowoc

What prompted that cryptic comment, PinkStainlessTail?

And I ask that as someone who used to live there...

By: cortex

cortex — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:35:15 -0800

Thread cross-pollenation, dersins. Just ask hitlerstalin.

By: salvia

salvia — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:52:06 -0800

But questions about how zombie muscles work get highlighted on the sidebar. Just sayin'.

Second that.

Also, I spend a lot more time pondering how to avoid space-time paradoxes than I do in thinking about how to slip out of my wetsuit into a crisp, wrinkle free tuxedo. More of an every(wo)man's dilemna.

By: Alvy Ampersand

Alvy Ampersand — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:08:20 -0800

I can see the validity of Zombie Muscles, it had real world applications (Biology, science of death, etc.)
Timetravel's just a load of ChatFilter hooey, s'pecially since we're all gonna die after The Rapture¹, anyhow.

¹241 days and counting, peeps!

By: antifuse

antifuse — Fri, 28 Apr 2006 01:46:48 -0800

Not anymore it's not, iconomy... I know a good domain name when I see one! :)

By: iconomy

iconomy — Fri, 28 Apr 2006 06:25:45 -0800

Lovesit!

/paris hilton