Comments on: Grow the hell up.

Grow the hell up.

dirtynumbangelboy — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:43:28 -0800

An open letter.

You people all seem to think that you can sit there, misconstrue what I say, quote me out of context, and flat out fucking ignore me when I point out why you're wrong, and why what you are saying is wrong, and why what you think I am saying is not actually what I have said. That really is par for the course around here, though. You people have decided that no matter what, you simply will not actually respond to what I actually say; you would much rather decide what I have said and respond to that instead. Does that make you feel superior? Does it? Does it make you feel all warm inside when you see me get angry because you refuse to actually respond to what I actually say? Do you derive some sort of satisfaction from it? It certainly seems that way. Stop it. I won't put up with it. You people have been doing it for months, and you need to stop. Believe it or not, I am allowed to have opinions. Believe it or not, I have thought long and hard about the opinions I hold, and I continue to do so. You all seem to think that 'disagreement' means 'doesn't understand'. Rest assured that I do understand, I disagree. That is, despite how you all act, allowed. What is not allowed is how you all treat me, and have been treating me for some time. Stop misquoting me. Stop putting words in my mouth. Stop deliberately misconstruing what I am saying. This goes triple when I have said "No, that is not what I am saying. What I am saying is this." I won't be participating in this thread. Y'all can go ahead and flame as much as you like. The best part, of course, is how many of you won't realize how this applies to you. And by 'best', I mean 'most depressing'.

By: Ivana Shtup de Naparino

Ivana Shtup de Naparino — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:50:48 -0800

Can you please clarify? When you say "I'm a big sissy, please stick a kool-aid pickle in my mouth," do you mean cherry flavor or grape?

By: Kattullus

Kattullus — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:51:11 -0800

Wow!

I always thought your username was dirtynumbbagelboy!

By: StrikeTheViol

StrikeTheViol — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:52:21 -0800

While I can see where you're coming from, I don't think anything constructive can come from this.

By: shadow vector

shadow vector — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:53:06 -0800

Finally, I get in early on one of these.

By: Electrius

Electrius — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:53:18 -0800

A passive-aggressive callout thread without any context whatsoever— no posters named, no incidents cited— is pretty much the worst possible way to get your point across. I don't pay close enough attention to the site to know if you are actually being mistreated so, but it would help me decide if you could point to some threads where you think the sort of behavior occuring in your post is especially unpleasant.

By: Caduceus

Caduceus — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:55:18 -0800

Wow. Someone takes themselves a little too seriously.

By: danb

danb — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:57:05 -0800

While I have the opportunity, let me just reiterate that it is very important to ensure that you properly abbreviate dirtynumbangelboy's name.

By: EatTheWeak

EatTheWeak — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:57:07 -0800

Any context whatsoever would be helpful. Working this out over e-mail instead would probably go better.

By: kbanas

kbanas — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:59:47 -0800

If this was one of those zany comedies about race, now would be the part where I would say, "You people? What do you mean by you people?"

By: Brandon Blatcher

Brandon Blatcher — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:59:52 -0800

You people all seem to think that you can sit there

You and I have ever fought, and there are probably many more who can say that, so could you lay off the "You people" bit?

By: 31d1

31d1 — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:01:34 -0800

You obviously mean none of this.

By: marxchivist

marxchivist — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:02:40 -0800

I'm thinking stuff like this may have prompted the open letter.

By: Ryvar

Ryvar — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:04:27 -0800

*squeals with delight*

This is going to be so great.

By: CwgrlUp

CwgrlUp — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:04:43 -0800

Dnab, man, I had your back on all the konolia bullshit, but you are comin waaaay outta left field on this one. Shoot them emails for goodness sake, don't just attack mefi as a whole, damn!

By: languagehat

languagehat — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:04:47 -0800

dnab, you must know this is a bad idea; you might want to ask the mods to close it. (Normally I'd be reaching for the marshmallows, but I like you and we've already had one departure today, so I'm hoping for a ring dance and brownies instead.)

By: puke & cry

puke & cry — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:05:58 -0800

This is the good kind of paranoid rant that used to the composted on a typewriter and sent to the local newspapers.

By: pyramid termite

pyramid termite — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:06:49 -0800

drop the professional martyr trip, it's really getting old and obnoxious

By: puke & cry

puke & cry — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:06:56 -0800

composed too.

By: SpacemanStix

SpacemanStix — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:07:00 -0800

I see the context that this is likely stemming from, but in all honesty, you get what you invest into a discussion (or you continue to get what you continue to invest). At the very least, if someone has a grievance, it needs to be acknowledged whether the "righteous indignation" in return may have contributed to people's continued responses. In other words, an overly irritated response to a slight may often be as damning as the original slight, both ethically and pragmatically for the discussion. It's hard to hear what someone is "really" trying to say when it is laced with insults, regardless of the justification for those insults.

By: Kattullus

Kattullus — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:08:54 -0800

Y'know, I've always thought dirtynumbangelboy was a good commenter, but in the WhoTubes? thread he's really flying off the handle (e.g. "For fuck's sake, it's almost like people around here positively take delight in deliberately misconstruing what I say.")

By: yhbc

yhbc — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:09:29 -0800

I'm already pissed; I didn't realize the fireworks were tonight instead of tomorrow. So, we're sitting here in our house listening to explosions. Big Fucking Deal. You have to SEE them to be impressed. Duh!

I'm sorry, what was this about again?

By: onlyconnect

onlyconnect — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:09:41 -0800

Who left today???

By: SpacemanStix

SpacemanStix — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:10:08 -0800

That being said, I hope you don't leave or anything. I always appreciate a good disagreement about something that gets hashed out and ends well.

By: The Straightener

The Straightener — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:11:02 -0800

I used to post shit like this on the Internet all the time when I was doing tons of coke. I also thought there was a federal agent posted on the roof of the building across from mine who was able to see through walls and take high resolution infrared photographs with his eyeballs.

By: pyramid termite

pyramid termite — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:13:12 -0800

there was! - would you like copies?

By: languagehat

languagehat — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:13:22 -0800

The Straightener, just because you stopped doing coke doesn't mean the federal agent isn't there. He is, and the cabal would be getting copies of his reports if there were a cabal. Which of course there isn't.

By: languagehat

languagehat — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:14:00 -0800

*sends telepathic message to agent to terminate pyramid termite*

By: The Straightener

The Straightener — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:15:02 -0800

Nah, man, it was all cool after I lined my walls with sheet metal and got one of those lead X-ray vests to wear around the house.

By: tkchrist

tkchrist — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:15:23 -0800

The Google thread started this? Usually it's guns, fat people, pedophilia, or whether or not Bono sucks, that get's this riled up. MetaFilter's threshold for gasket blowing get's lower every god damned day. Seriously. Take fucking pill, man.

By: Dave Faris

Dave Faris — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:16:30 -0800

After a screed like that, you should at least have the common courtesy to disable your account.

By: sunshinesky

sunshinesky — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:17:15 -0800

Wow, and I thought my last MeTa thread was bad...

By: the dief

the dief — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:17:38 -0800

Dave Faris, he's done that once already and came back pretty quickly. So I don't think he'll do it this time.

By: pyramid termite

pyramid termite — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:18:01 -0800

*sends telepathic message to zillions of termites to eat languagehat's house*

By: mkultra

mkultra — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:18:03 -0800

Sweet, we haven't had one of these in a while. Hopefully your indignation will last a few more comments.

By: bonaldi

bonaldi — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:18:10 -0800

who else left?

By: kbanas

kbanas — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:19:35 -0800

Plus, I figure, if you're going out like this, man, do it during MeFi prime time. On a Thursday night? And a holiday no less?

You're depriving so many of so much.

By: flabdablet

flabdablet — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:20:22 -0800

You people all seem to think that you can sit there, misconstrue what I say, quote me out of context, and flat out fucking ignore me when I point out why you're wrong, and why what you are saying is wrong, and why what you think I am saying is not actually what I have said.

Welcome to the Internet.

Stop it.

Seems unlikely.

By: jessamyn

jessamyn — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:21:39 -0800

I can't see how this is going to end up the way you'd like it to, dnab.

By: pyramid termite

pyramid termite — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:23:44 -0800

i won't grow up

By: tkchrist

tkchrist — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:24:12 -0800

Not a complete list, but maybe this will help you out.

Things to get upset about:

Things to not get upset about:

By: theiconoclast31

theiconoclast31 — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:24:27 -0800

~~"An open letter."~~
A closed letter?

You were all thinking it!!

By: scody

scody — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:25:57 -0800

dnab: I've had your back before, too, and you're someone whose contributions I've frequently enjoyed. But this isn't the first time you've essentially thrown a tantrum over being "misunderstood." It doesn't appear righteous, even to those of us who like you; it just appears childish and embarrassing. Stay or leave if you like -- I know I'll be among those sorry to see you go if you do -- but do yourself the favor and learn to stop with the public snits.

By: jonmc

jonmc — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:26:22 -0800

me and dnab have clashed rather strongly a few times, but he's also shown himself at bottom to be basically, a more-or-less okay guy. he has his faults, but so does everybody. Watching stuff like this is not fun for me.

By: puke & cry

puke & cry — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:28:42 -0800

I can't think of anything else besides Ray Liotta stirring meat sauce and driving around looking for helicopters.

By: Dreamghost

Dreamghost — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:29:38 -0800

Christmas has come Early!

::gleefully rubs hands::

By: turgid dahlia

turgid dahlia — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:29:41 -0800

MARTINIS FOR EVERYBODY!

By: jonmc

jonmc — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:30:17 -0800

*passes p&c some cocaine*

By: paradoxflow

paradoxflow — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:31:07 -0800

I wrote out a longer response to this addressing your utter lack of perspective, and then I realized that the the content and tone of this post warrants only three words:

crai moar n00b

By: gauchodaspampas

gauchodaspampas — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:31:11 -0800

Favorited by others: 1337

Quick (well, you get the idea), no one favorite this or any of Dnab's contributions.

By: jonmc

jonmc — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:31:19 -0800

Dreamghost, dnab can be a pain in the ass, but getting gleeful over somebody melting down is nasty.

By: Krrrlson

Krrrlson — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:31:52 -0800

The last time this happened, dnab blamed me for driving him away from Metafilter, despite the fact that I hadn't exchanged words with him in months.

Evidently, I didn't do enough.

By: tkchrist

tkchrist — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:32:14 -0800

In my family it's considered "constructive" to begin all statements addressing another family member as follows:

"So. You know what your problem is? Your problem is..."

It took me YEARS to figure out that dealing with other people that way is the opposite of constructive. I still slip up. When I slip if my wife, who had a NON-dysfunctional family that actually loved eachother (whatever), is present she will elbow me in the ribs and whisper "Remember? Sugar not vinegar".

dnab, I think you maybe need somebody to elbow you in the ribs here.

By: mkultra

mkultra — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:32:43 -0800

To be fair, though, any time I see people go off on the tired "piracy isn't theft, it's copyright infringement" diatribe, it makes me want to beat them with their copies of The Fountainhead and stab them in the eye with their Ron Paul buttons.

By: Sailormom

Sailormom — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:32:51 -0800

My advice would be to surrender but don't give yourself away.

By: gauchodaspampas

gauchodaspampas — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:39:05 -0800

By: Dreamghost

Dreamghost — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:39:30 -0800

Whats the Canadian Suicide Prevention Number?

By: stavrosthewonderchicken

stavrosthewonderchicken — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:39:57 -0800

I don't know, when it's a situation where many people seem to be misunderstanding what you say, I think the onus is on you to make more of an effort to express yourself more clearly. I have this problem all the damn time, which may not be the same problem dnab is experiencing: I use shorthand for logical components of my argument about something that is complex, assuming people will understand that's what I'm doing, but frequently it just doesn't work very well. And we end up arguing definition of terms, and circling back and away from the real issue we're hashing over.

When the subject is one that stirs some acrimony -- assuming this is all about that Google copyright/theft/BENDOVERCITIZEN thread -- it becomes even more important to be clear. Being a little less dismissive of those you disagree with is probably a good idea, too, but then again, I tend to have a bad habit of doing that sometimes, too, when I get my dander up.

This thread, well, yeah, probably not helping.

By: Caduceus

Caduceus — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:39:57 -0800

The Google thread started this? Usually it's guns, fat people, pedophilia, or whether or not Bono sucks, that get's this riled up.

Boy, does Bono ever fucking suck.

By: stubby phillips

stubby phillips — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:40:31 -0800

Rich and I were walking down the street today. A guy leans out of a pickup truck and yells directly at me, "You're a fucking douchebag!".

I stopped and stared. Rich looks at me.

"Do you know that guy?"

"Nope"

"Lucky guess, then?"

"Yep"

Swear to God.

By: jacalata

jacalata — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:40:58 -0800

mkultra, not all prescriptivists are Ron Paul/Ayn Rand fans.

By: Rhomboid

Rhomboid — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:41:06 -0800

....and scene.

By: Dreamghost

Dreamghost — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:47:38 -0800

ZUR - EN - ARRH

By: dirigibleman

dirigibleman — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:48:13 -0800

Some people are happy drunks. Others are bitter and spiteful.

I didn't realize the fireworks were tonight instead of tomorrow. So, we're sitting here in our house listening to explosions.

Dude, same damn thing here! WT effin F? Who the hell puts their fireworks off on the wrong day? Anal-bleaching sons of bitches, that's who!

By: mkultra

mkultra — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:49:48 -0800

*beats jacalata with Collected Works of Kant*

By: blue_beetle

blue_beetle — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:56:24 -0800

When the next Mefi-Podcast call in show happens, and Matt calls for favourite MeTa moments, I call dibbs on this thread.

By: mds35

mds35 — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:58:22 -0800

"Hey, fellas, get me--I'm making angels!"

By: cowbellemoo

cowbellemoo — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:58:24 -0800

Obviously you haven't seen Wall•E yet, because if you had, you would be trying to mimic the wahHHHHAAALEee polyphonic warble instead of sending out a toxic missive the loamy goodness which is this site.

yes, yes, 'grow the hell up cowbellemoo.'

. . . "wahHHHHAAALEee"

By: mds35

mds35 — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:58:44 -0800

ding

By: konolia

konolia — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:59:07 -0800

DNAB, hon, you have done it to ME before.

Don't you think that misunderstanding is part and parcel of communicating by words on a screen? I think it is helpful if everyone at least tries to assume the other person has decent motives instead of having a conniption.

Having said that, it is a pain in the butt to be misunderstood over and over again, but generally complaining about it doesn't tend to get the desired results.

By: pyramid termite

pyramid termite — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:01:06 -0800

Whats the Canadian Suicide Prevention Number?

1-800-CABNFVR

By: aramaic

aramaic — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:01:35 -0800

"Hey, fellas, get me--I'm making angles!"

Angles? Why? I'm serious, why on earth would you make angles -- we've got enough of the goddamn things already! Have you seen a triangle lately? They're horrible!

Sheesh. Some people. Gawd.

By: Ryvar

Ryvar — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:02:22 -0800

To be fair, though, any time I see people go off on the tired "piracy isn't theft, it's copyright infringement" diatribe, it makes me want to beat them with their copies of The Fountainhead and stab them in the eye with their Ron Paul buttons.

I don't think very much of Objectivism or Libertarian politics. I make my living producing entertainment software - probably the most copyright infringed category of electrons with the exception of pornography. Rampant game piracy directly hurts my paycheck.

Even I can appreciate that in the real world, my possession of a gold coin directly prevents you from possessing or utilizing it. In the world of data, my possession of an MP3 does not prevent you from possessing or using it.

All material goods are ultimately zero-sum, virtual goods in a medium with (effectively) zero cost for replication operations are not.

There is a very simple, fundamental difference here. Copyright infringement might be inconvenient for my way of life, but it is inarguably a transaction which increases the resource pool of our species with zero (from the perspective of the species as a whole) cost for doing so.

(opinions expressed here are very much my own personal ones)

By: The corpse in the library

The corpse in the library — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:05:10 -0800

I thought the Bellman did a great job of explaining the difference between theft and copyright infringement in that thread -- and he did it in a calm, noncondescending way.

By: cortex

cortex — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:05:52 -0800

*writes to Ryvar's boss*

By: gauchodaspampas

gauchodaspampas — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:07:50 -0800

(opinions expressed here are very much my own personal ones)

Not if I stealz them.

By: Ryvar

Ryvar — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:08:14 -0800

Oh shi-

By: Dark Messiah

Dark Messiah — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:08:31 -0800

misconstrue what I say, quote me out of context

The onus of making a cogent argument rests upon your shoulders. Perhaps you're not up to the task.

The only thing that post was missing was:

/wrists

By: mds35

mds35 — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:11:27 -0800

Mr. Johnson lives on the corner of our street
And he laughs at our bell-bottom trousers and our bare feet
And he calls us long-haired faggots as we walk by
But we don't get mad, because we know he's uptight

(Chorus)
Hey Mr. Johnson
Won't you wear this flower in your hair
Then you'll start seeing
Love is all around you everywhere
Love is all around you everywhere

I've known Mr. Johnson since before I was born
But he still gets mad when we smoke pot on his lawn
But we never get mad, we simply walk away
He don't mean to be a drag, he's just brought up that way

(Chorus)

Love is all around you everywhere
Love is all around you everywhere...

King Missile

By: Stewriffic

Stewriffic — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:11:31 -0800

I've been sitting here for about 10 minutes trying to decide what to say. I'm not usually one to weigh in on things here, but for some reason tonight I will.

You're being an ass in that thread, DNAB, and it's not helping you. Yes, you disagree with some people about what "theft" constitutes. You're not convincing them, and they're not convincing you. Over the course of the thread, though, what I'm seeing is you getting increasingly vituperative*. And that just riles up the the people who like to push buttons. You're helping them get to you. Just take a breather tonight, gather yourself and try to ignore it.

(Lord knows how I pulled THAT word out of the recesses of my pitiful memory!)

By: KokuRyu

KokuRyu — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:12:35 -0800

dirtynumbangelboy is always misquoting me, especially in economics related threads, and even on other economics-related websites. You are no economist, dirtynumbangelboy , and should stop behaving like one (especially in the Globe and Mail RoB comments section). And stop misquoting me. [insert 800 words of more text, with precise and definitive supporting weblinks]

Also, dirtynumbangelboy is always saying how he actually likes the architecture of Albert Speer, and how global warming is, like, a hoax.

By: ikkyu2

ikkyu2 — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:12:38 -0800

I will leave Paris alone henceforth.

By: nola

nola — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:15:40 -0800

dnab I love you dude, hang in there.

By: Paphnuty

Paphnuty — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:16:04 -0800

Oh God. This is how it all started for me.

By: aramaic

aramaic — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:17:19 -0800

This is how it all started for me

Sounds to me like we've got a lot to look forward to then. Keen.

By: signal

signal — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:20:31 -0800

Who's dirtynumbangelboy and why does he assume we have an opinion about him?
Not disingenuous, some context would be appreciated.

By: dirigibleman

dirigibleman — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:23:48 -0800

There's no Wikipedia page about him.

By: mds35

mds35 — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:29:20 -0800

Who's dirtynumbangelboy...?

He's that dude who--and I quote--"won't be participating in this thread."

We'll see, eh?

By: Eideteker

Eideteker — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:29:38 -0800

Drive boy, dog boy
Dirty numb angel boy
In the doorway boy
She was a lipstick boy
She was a beautiful boy
And tears boy
And all in your innerspace boy
You had
hand girls boy
and steel boy
You had chemicals boy
I've grown so close to you
Boy and you just groan boy
She said comeover, comeover
She smiled at you boy.

By: Dreamghost

Dreamghost — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:30:47 -0800

There's no Wikipedia page about him.

He was never in Wired Magazine, Sigh...

By: SpacemanStix

SpacemanStix — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:33:16 -0800

Even I can appreciate that in the real world, my possession of a gold coin directly prevents you from possessing or utilizing it. In the world of data, my possession of an MP3 does not prevent you from possessing or using it.

Good points. Also, the fact that there are limitations on copyright indicates that there are differences in the legal sense between the two. For example, if copyrighted material is "mine" in the sense a car is mine, the fair use doctrine would be quite immoral. And the fact that we have limitations on the number of years a copyright can be held wouldn't make any sense at all if it was considered genuine theft of property. Since when does it become okay to steal something simply because an arbitrary period of time expires?

Of course, copyright infringement is wrong. But the necessary and sufficient conditions between copyright infringement and theft are not in a one-to-one correspondence.

By: CKmtl

CKmtl — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:34:54 -0800

I don't know, when it's a situation where many people seem to be misunderstanding what you say, I think the onus is on you to make more of an effort to express yourself more clearly.

Agreed, but there's only so many ways an idea can be rephrased, or a position clarified, before you start feeling either like you and your audience don't speak the same language, or feeling that they have no interest in your attempts at clarification.

I think there's a point where the onus shifts to the audience to accept that they've misunderstood. I'm not sure where that point lies, though... even 5 honest attempts at rephrasing seems a bit high to me.

By: pyramid termite

pyramid termite — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:34:59 -0800

There's no Wikipedia page about him.

yet

By: A dead Quaker

A dead Quaker — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:35:16 -0800

I was only vaguely aware of dirtynumbangelboy and it seems to me there are better ways of addressing his/her problems, so I'm just going to quote Jack Handy at random.

To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography and the dancers hit each other. -- Jack Handy

By: Navelgazer

Navelgazer — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:35:33 -0800

dirtynumbangelboy,

I like you. Please don't do this.

And if I've ever done this to you, please memail me to let em know.

By: chococat

chococat — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:38:00 -0800

Who's dirtynumbangelboy and why does he assume we have an opinion about him?

I think I met him at a meet up long ago, although I remember that guy reminding me of Nathan Lane a bit, which his profile pic doesn't suggest, so I could be wrong.

I also remember something about him telling someone to eat the shit out of his ass or something a while ago.

By: jessamyn

jessamyn — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:38:10 -0800

This is not going anyplace good and we're going to close it.