Sic Semper Opiners February 17, 2009 2:12 PM Subscribe
In a comment I posted here on January 16th, I asserted that Ted Rall got Tim Kreider nixed from a discussion panel. That was incorrect.
Because of some third-hand information and the fact that I loathe Rall and love Kreider, I essentially made up some bullshit for which I am formally apologizing and, uh, "taking back" as best I can. If a mod could delete my original comment so that eventually it will not show up on the first damn page of results for Kreider + Rall + panel, that would be super.
Mr. Kreider's comments are posted in full below:
"Note: It has been brought to my attention that some of the scholar/detectives of the Internet are convinced that Ted Rall was the villain whose ill opinion got me ixnæd from the panel at SPX. For the record, this is untrue. Further, I will say that although Ted has an entirely deserved reputation as a rabid and implacable enemy once his bad side has been gotten on, he has never been anything other than generous and helpful to me as a colleague, including me in Attitude 2, one of his anthologies of alternative cartoonists, and even name-dropping me in a flattering context in a letter to the New York Times Book Review. He is also fun to have a pitcher of beer with. All this despite an essay I wrote years ago in which I had some critical things to say about his work, some of them bordering on the ad hominem, all of which more or less ricocheted unnoticed off Ted’s hide like shells off Superman’s back. I mean, Ted's gotten actual death threats. In other words he is a true dishes-it-out-and-can-take-it man, unlike the colleague who did in fact fuck me over, who is, as one might well infer from the tone of his/her published work, insecure, thin-skinned, vindictive, and utterly humorless.
This is a tedious and picayune matter, I know. I do not habitually go out of my way to correct everyone who is wrong on the internet, but I don’t want to be even inadvertently responsible for an untrue and unjust rumor spreading about someone who’s never been anything but a friend and benefactor to me. It’s my own fault, doubtless, for airing private grievances publicly and being all tantalizingly coy about it. But then, airing private grievances publicly is sort of my job. Anyway, I’d appreciate it if the author[s] of this misinformation would go ahead and make amends by formally recanting in any online forums where you’ve brashly asserted as fact what is actually just something you made up in your own head. For future reference, please see Socrates on the crucial distinction, so often elided, between knowing and opining."
As anyone who knows my posting history, I opine way more than I know, and I would have corrected myself in-thread had it not already been archived. My apologies to Mr. Kreider, whom I respect a hell of a lot, and of course to Mr. Rall.
Because of some third-hand information and the fact that I loathe Rall and love Kreider, I essentially made up some bullshit for which I am formally apologizing and, uh, "taking back" as best I can. If a mod could delete my original comment so that eventually it will not show up on the first damn page of results for Kreider + Rall + panel, that would be super.
Mr. Kreider's comments are posted in full below:
"Note: It has been brought to my attention that some of the scholar/detectives of the Internet are convinced that Ted Rall was the villain whose ill opinion got me ixnæd from the panel at SPX. For the record, this is untrue. Further, I will say that although Ted has an entirely deserved reputation as a rabid and implacable enemy once his bad side has been gotten on, he has never been anything other than generous and helpful to me as a colleague, including me in Attitude 2, one of his anthologies of alternative cartoonists, and even name-dropping me in a flattering context in a letter to the New York Times Book Review. He is also fun to have a pitcher of beer with. All this despite an essay I wrote years ago in which I had some critical things to say about his work, some of them bordering on the ad hominem, all of which more or less ricocheted unnoticed off Ted’s hide like shells off Superman’s back. I mean, Ted's gotten actual death threats. In other words he is a true dishes-it-out-and-can-take-it man, unlike the colleague who did in fact fuck me over, who is, as one might well infer from the tone of his/her published work, insecure, thin-skinned, vindictive, and utterly humorless.
This is a tedious and picayune matter, I know. I do not habitually go out of my way to correct everyone who is wrong on the internet, but I don’t want to be even inadvertently responsible for an untrue and unjust rumor spreading about someone who’s never been anything but a friend and benefactor to me. It’s my own fault, doubtless, for airing private grievances publicly and being all tantalizingly coy about it. But then, airing private grievances publicly is sort of my job. Anyway, I’d appreciate it if the author[s] of this misinformation would go ahead and make amends by formally recanting in any online forums where you’ve brashly asserted as fact what is actually just something you made up in your own head. For future reference, please see Socrates on the crucial distinction, so often elided, between knowing and opining."
As anyone who knows my posting history, I opine way more than I know, and I would have corrected myself in-thread had it not already been archived. My apologies to Mr. Kreider, whom I respect a hell of a lot, and of course to Mr. Rall.
Good on ya.
posted by Divine_Wino at 2:27 PM on February 17, 2009
posted by Divine_Wino at 2:27 PM on February 17, 2009
Well spoken, Optimus Chyme
And while we're in a sharing mood, I'd like to admit that when I'm drunk, I very often slag off the work of Tim Burton claiming he's never made a good film and that his success is largely attributable to the talent of, amongst others, his cinematographers, editors and Johnny Depp. Sometimes when pressed, I will claim to have some kind of specialised knowledge of the film industry that somehow validates my claims. I have no specialised knowledge. I am merely indignant that a no talent Robert Smith impersonator can still be getting work.
His hair too I frequently dismiss as "pseudo-goth" and "fucking ridiculous"
I'm not apologizing, you understand. I'm just sharing.
posted by Jofus at 2:27 PM on February 17, 2009 [5 favorites]
And while we're in a sharing mood, I'd like to admit that when I'm drunk, I very often slag off the work of Tim Burton claiming he's never made a good film and that his success is largely attributable to the talent of, amongst others, his cinematographers, editors and Johnny Depp. Sometimes when pressed, I will claim to have some kind of specialised knowledge of the film industry that somehow validates my claims. I have no specialised knowledge. I am merely indignant that a no talent Robert Smith impersonator can still be getting work.
His hair too I frequently dismiss as "pseudo-goth" and "fucking ridiculous"
I'm not apologizing, you understand. I'm just sharing.
posted by Jofus at 2:27 PM on February 17, 2009 [5 favorites]
This reminds me of the time that Cory Doctorow got his William Gibson action figure kicked off a panel on Crowdsourcing 3.0 because Gibson refused to check his plasma cannon at the door when entering Doctorow's pillow fort.
posted by Damn That Television at 2:29 PM on February 17, 2009 [17 favorites]
posted by Damn That Television at 2:29 PM on February 17, 2009 [17 favorites]
Now that this controversy is over, can we ramp up some juicy Internet rumors about Ziggy and Rex Morgan, M.D.?
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 2:36 PM on February 17, 2009 [2 favorites]
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 2:36 PM on February 17, 2009 [2 favorites]
Now if only we could get an apology from Bruce Tinsley for his entire career...
posted by shmegegge at 2:55 PM on February 17, 2009
posted by shmegegge at 2:55 PM on February 17, 2009
I state my regret.
posted by allen.spaulding at 3:10 PM on February 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by allen.spaulding at 3:10 PM on February 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
Well done, Optimus Chyme. I doff my sombrero.
posted by languagehat at 3:12 PM on February 17, 2009
posted by languagehat at 3:12 PM on February 17, 2009
Rex Morgan stold Ziggy's pants the morning after "inking the deal."
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 3:13 PM on February 17, 2009
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 3:13 PM on February 17, 2009
Thanks for the correction, Chyme. I'd been honestly thinking of this whenever Rall's name came up (which has been a few times in the last month, I guess.)
posted by Navelgazer at 3:17 PM on February 17, 2009
posted by Navelgazer at 3:17 PM on February 17, 2009
Woo! Kreider!
Oh, yeah, the apology was nice too.
posted by klangklangston at 3:24 PM on February 17, 2009
Oh, yeah, the apology was nice too.
posted by klangklangston at 3:24 PM on February 17, 2009
Is this something I would have to...uh...have...what the fuck is this about exactly?
posted by turgid dahlia at 3:30 PM on February 17, 2009 [12 favorites]
posted by turgid dahlia at 3:30 PM on February 17, 2009 [12 favorites]
Yet another misconception about the world set right... oh the shame. Let's see if we can't get a number of good lies going about real people! The formula is simple, [Person A] [had/got] [Person B] [something bad] [at/on/inside] [place] in [geographical location]. I'll start:
Wyatt Cenac had Tibor Fischer arrested for lewd entanglement at a flyfishing convention in Kalamazoo.
Wyatt Cenac got James Earl Jones hooked on paint thinner at a High School Musical 3 wrap party in Tierra Del Fuego.
Wyatt Cenac got Zhou Enlai to denounce Friedrich Engels on the set of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan in Wyoming.
Wyatt Cenac had Peter Cushing stabbed in the pancreas inside a Shriner Hall in Kuala Lumpur.
Obviously, Person A doesn't have to be Wyatt Cenac... I just like saying "Wyatt Cenac."
posted by Kattullus at 3:40 PM on February 17, 2009 [2 favorites]
Wyatt Cenac had Tibor Fischer arrested for lewd entanglement at a flyfishing convention in Kalamazoo.
Wyatt Cenac got James Earl Jones hooked on paint thinner at a High School Musical 3 wrap party in Tierra Del Fuego.
Wyatt Cenac got Zhou Enlai to denounce Friedrich Engels on the set of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan in Wyoming.
Wyatt Cenac had Peter Cushing stabbed in the pancreas inside a Shriner Hall in Kuala Lumpur.
Obviously, Person A doesn't have to be Wyatt Cenac... I just like saying "Wyatt Cenac."
posted by Kattullus at 3:40 PM on February 17, 2009 [2 favorites]
I have it on good authority that Rex Morgan, M.D. once accidentally a whole Ziggy.
posted by mr_crash_davis mark II: Jazz Odyssey at 3:47 PM on February 17, 2009 [2 favorites]
posted by mr_crash_davis mark II: Jazz Odyssey at 3:47 PM on February 17, 2009 [2 favorites]
Thanks for the follow up. I do remember the comment-- and the fact that I couldn't find any other sources for that tidbit during a half-hearted lunchbreak investigation.
posted by availablelight at 4:10 PM on February 17, 2009
posted by availablelight at 4:10 PM on February 17, 2009
So, Tim Kreider. Best Cartoonist or Bestest Cartoonist?
posted by The Whelk at 4:42 PM on February 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by The Whelk at 4:42 PM on February 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
So, Tim Kreider. Best Cartoonist or Bestest Cartoonist?
Onan The Barbarian alone qualifies him for sainthood. Everything else he's done on top of that pushes him up to, like, super-sainthood.
posted by DecemberBoy at 5:46 PM on February 17, 2009
Onan The Barbarian alone qualifies him for sainthood. Everything else he's done on top of that pushes him up to, like, super-sainthood.
posted by DecemberBoy at 5:46 PM on February 17, 2009
I regret my state.
posted by YoBananaBoy at 5:51 PM on February 17, 2009
posted by YoBananaBoy at 5:51 PM on February 17, 2009
Well done.
Rall still deserves a pie in the face, but that's another matter. :)
posted by DWRoelands at 6:06 PM on February 17, 2009
Rall still deserves a pie in the face, but that's another matter. :)
posted by DWRoelands at 6:06 PM on February 17, 2009
Thanks for the update/correction/apologies, Optimus.
posted by lekvar at 7:03 PM on February 17, 2009
posted by lekvar at 7:03 PM on February 17, 2009
Love me some Tim. So sad to see him swear off overtly political cartoons, but I don't begrudge him a nice long burnout.
ODIN!
posted by cowbellemoo at 7:14 PM on February 17, 2009
ODIN!
posted by cowbellemoo at 7:14 PM on February 17, 2009
So what's wrong with Ted Rall exactly?
He's not Asay, either McCoy, Lester, Ramirez, or Noel, but he's far from great.
posted by flatluigi at 10:12 PM on February 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
He's not Asay, either McCoy, Lester, Ramirez, or Noel, but he's far from great.
posted by flatluigi at 10:12 PM on February 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
ixnæ? seriously?
posted by sanko at 10:20 PM on February 17, 2009 [2 favorites]
posted by sanko at 10:20 PM on February 17, 2009 [2 favorites]
I disliked Ted Rall before OC's horrific slander, that's still okay, right?
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:51 PM on February 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:51 PM on February 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
Did Ted Rall ever get that Guinness record for most Godwins in a presidential term, or did he have to make do with an honorary degree from Oberlin for his pioneering work in shrill hysterics?
posted by Krrrlson at 12:13 AM on February 18, 2009
posted by Krrrlson at 12:13 AM on February 18, 2009
So what's wrong with Ted Rall exactly?
He doesn't salute the American flag like the rest of us.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 1:01 AM on February 18, 2009 [1 favorite]
He doesn't salute the American flag like the rest of us.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 1:01 AM on February 18, 2009 [1 favorite]
So what's wrong with Ted Rall exactly?
Nothing. Some people just disagree with him, that's all.
posted by chillmost at 1:09 AM on February 18, 2009
Nothing. Some people just disagree with him, that's all.
posted by chillmost at 1:09 AM on February 18, 2009
Chyme, now this thread is #1 in google for Kreider + Rall + panel, so I think you're safe now.
posted by ShawnStruck at 6:31 AM on February 18, 2009
posted by ShawnStruck at 6:31 AM on February 18, 2009
Now that this controversy is over, can we ramp up some juicy Internet rumors about Ziggy and Rex Morgan, M.D.?
Webcomics sensation of 2009 (?): Ziggy Marley, M.D. Discuss.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 6:55 AM on February 18, 2009
Webcomics sensation of 2009 (?): Ziggy Marley, M.D. Discuss.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 6:55 AM on February 18, 2009
Yeah! Optimus, throw more names out until Kreider doesn't deny one. :P
posted by cowbellemoo at 8:35 AM on February 18, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by cowbellemoo at 8:35 AM on February 18, 2009 [1 favorite]
Did Ted Rall ever get that Guinness record for most Godwins in a presidential term, or did he have to make do with an honorary degree from Oberlin for his pioneering work in shrill hysterics?
Why, yes! He did get that Guinness record! How very astute of you to ask.
posted by shmegegge at 9:11 AM on February 18, 2009
Why, yes! He did get that Guinness record! How very astute of you to ask.
posted by shmegegge at 9:11 AM on February 18, 2009
ANN COULTER ATE MY BABY
But she didn't swallow it all the way, did she now cortex?
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 9:25 AM on February 18, 2009
But she didn't swallow it all the way, did she now cortex?
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 9:25 AM on February 18, 2009
Hello now, who's this?
My money's on Tom Wilson or Dal Curtis.
posted by Johnny Assay at 9:30 AM on February 18, 2009
My money's on Tom Wilson or Dal Curtis.
posted by Johnny Assay at 9:30 AM on February 18, 2009
What you fail to realize is that the internet is comprised of people just making shit up. If everyone confesses what they have done, our whole economy may collapse.
posted by jefeweiss at 1:42 PM on February 18, 2009
posted by jefeweiss at 1:42 PM on February 18, 2009
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