Thanks secret quonsar! December 4, 2009 10:36 PM Subscribe
Mysterious package arrives...thank you secret quonsar!
I'm mostly a lurker, so starting a metatalk thread is a little scary, but here goes...
Thank you secret quonsar! What a great book. Even the table of contents is a work of art. I'm looking forward to exploring the rest of it.
It was a fabulous feeling: a package arrives. I try to remember if I've ordered something. Hmmm...I don't recall. Wait...it's my secret quonsar gift! [big smile] I was totally not expecting to receive anything this soon. Hooray secret quonsar! Thank you mrbill!
I'm mostly a lurker, so starting a metatalk thread is a little scary, but here goes...
Thank you secret quonsar! What a great book. Even the table of contents is a work of art. I'm looking forward to exploring the rest of it.
It was a fabulous feeling: a package arrives. I try to remember if I've ordered something. Hmmm...I don't recall. Wait...it's my secret quonsar gift! [big smile] I was totally not expecting to receive anything this soon. Hooray secret quonsar! Thank you mrbill!
Hmm. I'm torn. It's a Christmas present and you opened it before Christmas. Bad form. But it's also not really a Christmas present so opening it is probably OK. Work secret Santa would be opened straight away for example and this doesn't even have the 'Santa' term attached. Both the one I sent and the one being sent to me are due to arrive after the 25th so I guess it's not my problem either way!
posted by shelleycat at 11:15 PM on December 4, 2009
posted by shelleycat at 11:15 PM on December 4, 2009
Be warned, O my Secret Quonsar: yours oughta show up Monday from Amazon. Hope you dig it.
posted by fairytale of los angeles at 4:27 AM on December 5, 2009
posted by fairytale of los angeles at 4:27 AM on December 5, 2009
I'm mostly a lurker, so starting a metatalk thread is a little scary, but here goes...
You did good! Yay, the gifting is upon us.
Also, what book did you get? Enquiring minds want to know!
posted by julen at 4:34 AM on December 5, 2009
You did good! Yay, the gifting is upon us.
Also, what book did you get? Enquiring minds want to know!
posted by julen at 4:34 AM on December 5, 2009
Will my Secret Quonsar ever come to town? The suspense is killing me.
(I am opening my package the minute I get it.)
posted by Metroid Baby at 5:00 AM on December 5, 2009
(I am opening my package the minute I get it.)
posted by Metroid Baby at 5:00 AM on December 5, 2009
My Secret Quonsar should be receiving his gift in the next few days, and I hope he opens it straightaway! I also hope he likes it...
posted by ukdanae at 5:35 AM on December 5, 2009
posted by ukdanae at 5:35 AM on December 5, 2009
man, I'm sending so much metafilter-related mail this month I feel like I need a special stamp.
posted by The Whelk at 6:05 AM on December 5, 2009 [3 favorites]
posted by The Whelk at 6:05 AM on December 5, 2009 [3 favorites]
One part of my secret quonsar's gift should also get there Monday. I was feeling uninspired, but something struck me as odd on your profile, so I went with that.
posted by deezil at 6:19 AM on December 5, 2009
posted by deezil at 6:19 AM on December 5, 2009
I got a rock.
posted by mr_crash_davis mark II: Jazz Odyssey at 6:31 AM on December 5, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by mr_crash_davis mark II: Jazz Odyssey at 6:31 AM on December 5, 2009 [1 favorite]
I just realized I'm in serious danger of getting a penguin.
I found the perfect gift for my secret quonsar on etsy, but waited a couple of days to order. I went back and it was sold. I emailed the seller to see if they'll have another on time. If that won't work I'm not sure what I'll do!
posted by If only I had a penguin... at 6:41 AM on December 5, 2009 [1 favorite]
I found the perfect gift for my secret quonsar on etsy, but waited a couple of days to order. I went back and it was sold. I emailed the seller to see if they'll have another on time. If that won't work I'm not sure what I'll do!
posted by If only I had a penguin... at 6:41 AM on December 5, 2009 [1 favorite]
Wait...I thought it needed to me in the mail by the 14th, not arrive by the 14th! Eep!
posted by JoanArkham at 6:53 AM on December 5, 2009
posted by JoanArkham at 6:53 AM on December 5, 2009
Please open immediately; puppy needs air
posted by found missing at 7:22 AM on December 5, 2009 [5 favorites]
posted by found missing at 7:22 AM on December 5, 2009 [5 favorites]
Wait...I thought it needed to me in the mail by the 14th, not arrive by the 14th! Eep!
I'm certain this is how the exchange is structured. Drawing was on the first, package should be mailed no later than the 14th. That it may have been mailed on the same day as the drawing by some should not mean that everyone has to get their packages there immediately.
That said, I have some'splaining shopping to do!
posted by hippybear at 9:09 AM on December 5, 2009
I'm certain this is how the exchange is structured. Drawing was on the first, package should be mailed no later than the 14th. That it may have been mailed on the same day as the drawing by some should not mean that everyone has to get their packages there immediately.
That said, I have some
posted by hippybear at 9:09 AM on December 5, 2009
Quinoa received Show Me How: 500 Things You Should Know Instructions for Life From the Everyday to the Exotic.
Sure, I cheated by $2 on the purchase price, but 2-day shipping was free due to my Amazon Prime trial, so it evens out.
The reason I sent the Secret Quonsar so soon was so I wouldn't forget about it later. 8-)
posted by mrbill at 9:38 AM on December 5, 2009
Sure, I cheated by $2 on the purchase price, but 2-day shipping was free due to my Amazon Prime trial, so it evens out.
The reason I sent the Secret Quonsar so soon was so I wouldn't forget about it later. 8-)
posted by mrbill at 9:38 AM on December 5, 2009
mrbill: Shhhhh! It's supposed to be a secret! DAMN!
posted by hippybear at 11:56 AM on December 5, 2009
posted by hippybear at 11:56 AM on December 5, 2009
Quonsmas happens whenever you want. :) You don't have to wait unless you like waiting.
posted by IndigoRain at 11:59 AM on December 5, 2009
posted by IndigoRain at 11:59 AM on December 5, 2009
Damn, I did this last year and got an awesome gift, but forgot to sign up this year... or did I?
Yeah, I forgot.
posted by Elmore at 12:04 PM on December 5, 2009
Yeah, I forgot.
posted by Elmore at 12:04 PM on December 5, 2009
I just picked up my Secret Quonsee's gift yesterday. I feel so un-spectacular now.
posted by WinnipegDragon at 12:50 PM on December 5, 2009
posted by WinnipegDragon at 12:50 PM on December 5, 2009
klangklangston, specius, holyrood and mandyman and I just did the santa barbara one. Woo. Thanks AmbrosiaVoyeur for alerting us.
posted by k8t at 3:54 PM on December 5, 2009
posted by k8t at 3:54 PM on December 5, 2009
Actually, on my birthday the day before yesterday, at work, I recieved a cupcake shaped bouquet, adressed to 'jonmc,' (not my full name). The card merely said 'FROM THE INTERNET.'
Freaky.
posted by jonmc at 4:31 PM on December 5, 2009 [3 favorites]
Freaky.
posted by jonmc at 4:31 PM on December 5, 2009 [3 favorites]
mrbill: Shhhhh! It's supposed to be a secret! DAMN!
Not much of a secret when she thanks me for it in the original post. 8-)
posted by mrbill at 5:17 PM on December 5, 2009
Not much of a secret when she thanks me for it in the original post. 8-)
posted by mrbill at 5:17 PM on December 5, 2009
As mrbill said, I got this remarkable book which just about does away with the need to ask metafilter, or even google, anything. How to trim rose bushes. How to flirt. How to mount a camel. (Ahem.) How to brush a puppy's teeth.
In fact, if we distributed this widely enough, it might do away with AskMeFi completely! On second thought, the book seems very optimistic, since there are no instructions on how or when to DTMFA. So AskMeFi is safe after all.
It's a Christmas present and you opened it before Christmas.
I did, actually, carefully research quonsar etiquette to find out whether I was supposed to wait to open my gift, but last year's Metatalk thread suggested that opening a quonsar gift upon arrival was acceptable. Interestingly, I was only wondering if I was supposed to wait until after quonsar mailing day...I didn't grow up with Christmas, so it didn't even occur to me to wait until the 25th.
I just picked up my Secret Quonsee's gift yesterday. I feel so un-spectacular now.
Winnipeg, no! You should feel spectacular for being on the early side of things! I just bought mine yesterday too...But surely someone else must be able to post a thank you? Anyone?
posted by quinoa at 5:55 PM on December 5, 2009
In fact, if we distributed this widely enough, it might do away with AskMeFi completely! On second thought, the book seems very optimistic, since there are no instructions on how or when to DTMFA. So AskMeFi is safe after all.
It's a Christmas present and you opened it before Christmas.
I did, actually, carefully research quonsar etiquette to find out whether I was supposed to wait to open my gift, but last year's Metatalk thread suggested that opening a quonsar gift upon arrival was acceptable. Interestingly, I was only wondering if I was supposed to wait until after quonsar mailing day...I didn't grow up with Christmas, so it didn't even occur to me to wait until the 25th.
I just picked up my Secret Quonsee's gift yesterday. I feel so un-spectacular now.
Winnipeg, no! You should feel spectacular for being on the early side of things! I just bought mine yesterday too...But surely someone else must be able to post a thank you? Anyone?
posted by quinoa at 5:55 PM on December 5, 2009
Not much of a secret when she thanks me for it in the original post. 8-)
And yet... I don't see you named ANYWHERE in the original post!
posted by hippybear at 6:04 PM on December 5, 2009
And yet... I don't see you named ANYWHERE in the original post!
posted by hippybear at 6:04 PM on December 5, 2009
I don't see you named ANYWHERE in the original post!
Check out the last 3 words of the original post: "Thank you mrbill"
Also, I do believe there's a tradition of voluntary disclosure during the gratitude phase of the secret quonsar ritual...
posted by quinoa at 6:11 PM on December 5, 2009
Check out the last 3 words of the original post: "Thank you mrbill"
Also, I do believe there's a tradition of voluntary disclosure during the gratitude phase of the secret quonsar ritual...
posted by quinoa at 6:11 PM on December 5, 2009
I'll have my Secret Quonsar's present out in the mail early, but I have to wait a few days because...well, I don't want to give away the secret! But there's a reason!
This suspense is killing me.
posted by misha at 8:18 PM on December 5, 2009
This suspense is killing me.
posted by misha at 8:18 PM on December 5, 2009
oh my... I haven't even decided what to get my Secret Quonsar! *stresses* I have a week!
posted by LOLAttorney2009 at 10:34 PM on December 5, 2009
posted by LOLAttorney2009 at 10:34 PM on December 5, 2009
I enjoyed selecting for my quonsee. Now I'm just waiting to see when they get it!
posted by ocherdraco at 11:59 PM on December 5, 2009
posted by ocherdraco at 11:59 PM on December 5, 2009
I regifted mine already as it was shit, I don't need a god-damned waffle iron.
posted by turgid dahlia at 3:56 AM on December 6, 2009
posted by turgid dahlia at 3:56 AM on December 6, 2009
I'd better go shopping. I did send my MeFi cares gifts, though.
posted by fixedgear at 5:21 AM on December 6, 2009
posted by fixedgear at 5:21 AM on December 6, 2009
Check out the last 3 words of the original post: "Thank you mrbill"
Oh, goodness. Is my face ever red now! I will be returning to reading comprehension classes shortly. My apologies!
posted by hippybear at 6:32 AM on December 6, 2009
Oh, goodness. Is my face ever red now! I will be returning to reading comprehension classes shortly. My apologies!
posted by hippybear at 6:32 AM on December 6, 2009
I sent out my gift (or the company I got it from did)! Involved some del.icio.us stalking.
posted by ejaned8 at 12:27 PM on December 6, 2009
posted by ejaned8 at 12:27 PM on December 6, 2009
In light of having already sent out my SQ gift, making it something delightfully MeFi-related, and managing to stay under $15 even with intercontinental shipping, I would just like to mention that I am awesome.
posted by kittyprecious at 3:01 PM on December 6, 2009
posted by kittyprecious at 3:01 PM on December 6, 2009
Er. With shipping, mine was over $15. But it was probably under 15 euros. Despite the fact I'm in the US, I'm going to run with that.
I hope my secret Quonsar likes it, but I have a slight bit of worry as the item was not new and I didn't get to inspect it before the store shipped it off to the recipient. So I know what the item is, in general, I just don't what kind of shape this particular item was in. I hope it's not worse than the store described.
posted by maxwelton at 4:27 PM on December 6, 2009
I hope my secret Quonsar likes it, but I have a slight bit of worry as the item was not new and I didn't get to inspect it before the store shipped it off to the recipient. So I know what the item is, in general, I just don't what kind of shape this particular item was in. I hope it's not worse than the store described.
posted by maxwelton at 4:27 PM on December 6, 2009
This may be the place to say THANK YOU for my last year's SQ present. It didn't arrive until February but it totally rocked. Two regional American cookery books and instructions about what music to listen to whilst cooking so as to get into the right region. I was really touched by the thought that went into it. The person it was from (I don't know their username) was completing a thesis plus moving house so it was amazing that they managed to send anything.
/guilt for not thanking before
posted by paduasoy at 9:21 AM on December 7, 2009
/guilt for not thanking before
posted by paduasoy at 9:21 AM on December 7, 2009
Heh. I opened mine as soon as it arrived, thinking it was something or other that I ordered :) Amazingly, it was something I needed, and hadn't even considered a special trip to the store to get yet.
Are you psychic, divka?
posted by pjern at 11:29 AM on December 7, 2009
Are you psychic, divka?
posted by pjern at 11:29 AM on December 7, 2009
Maybe I am.....
...okay, not really. If I was, I'd be much richer. But I'm glad you liked it!
posted by divka at 12:36 PM on December 7, 2009
...okay, not really. If I was, I'd be much richer. But I'm glad you liked it!
posted by divka at 12:36 PM on December 7, 2009
I got my mystery package and opened it - YAY BOOKS! I have the best secret quonsar ever :)
Wish I knew which one of you was so thoughtful!
posted by kiwi-epitome at 2:48 PM on December 7, 2009
Wish I knew which one of you was so thoughtful!
posted by kiwi-epitome at 2:48 PM on December 7, 2009
Whew. My secret quonsar's gift is all ready to go out in the morning post. *de-stresses*
Thanks to everyone who is sharing so far--I love hearing about how this is all working out for you!
posted by misha at 3:23 PM on December 7, 2009
Thanks to everyone who is sharing so far--I love hearing about how this is all working out for you!
posted by misha at 3:23 PM on December 7, 2009
send out My SQ TONIGHT.
I tried to make the package was distressing as possible. It is From The Internet after all.
posted by The Whelk at 5:02 PM on December 7, 2009
I tried to make the package was distressing as possible. It is From The Internet after all.
posted by The Whelk at 5:02 PM on December 7, 2009
I have the best secret quonsar ever (kiwi-epitome)
Aw, shucks. :D Glad you like them!
posted by ocherdraco at 5:25 PM on December 7, 2009
Aw, shucks. :D Glad you like them!
posted by ocherdraco at 5:25 PM on December 7, 2009
I made my quonsee's gift this weekend - the supplies are worth less than $15, but the final product is worth much more - maybe that means I cheated, but whatever, I'm really hoping that they'll like it!
posted by 5_13_23_42_69_666 at 7:15 PM on December 7, 2009
posted by 5_13_23_42_69_666 at 7:15 PM on December 7, 2009
5_13_23_42_69_666: "I made my quonsee's gift this weekend - the supplies are worth less than $15, but the final product is worth much more - maybe that means I cheated, but whatever, I'm really hoping that they'll like it"
Not at all. I was delighted by my very first SQ gift, a handmade plush rainbow kitty from annaramma. (Yes, I do like to go on about this kitty. It is that awesome.) :)
posted by IndigoRain at 12:41 AM on December 8, 2009
Not at all. I was delighted by my very first SQ gift, a handmade plush rainbow kitty from annaramma. (Yes, I do like to go on about this kitty. It is that awesome.) :)
posted by IndigoRain at 12:41 AM on December 8, 2009
I completed my SQ gift this afternoon. Secret quonsee, prepare to receive a parcel in the coming week. Mwahahaha!
posted by LN at 1:37 PM on December 8, 2009
posted by LN at 1:37 PM on December 8, 2009
:D my SQ gift should ship out within the next few days. I hope they like it!
posted by d13t_p3ps1 at 7:21 PM on December 8, 2009
posted by d13t_p3ps1 at 7:21 PM on December 8, 2009
I received mine today. It arrived from Americaland in 6 days! From Newark DE. I don't know what/where the DE is, but I'm assuming Newark isn't slang for New York...but I kind of wish it was.
So, I didn't open it... but I did open the card and read the customs slip.
I"m so excited. I was certain I"d have a dud Secret Quonsar.
Do I thank my Secret Quonsar directly? I'd like to. I know who they are. But I didn't write on the Secret Quonsar, that I sent to the UK, who it was from. I think I just said it was from Secret Quonsar.
And I spent about $18 on the gift and $30 on postage.... I probably should have chosen something smaller and lighter to post overseas.
So... to stop rambling and get back to my original question.... where do the thank yous go?
posted by taff at 8:12 PM on December 8, 2009
So, I didn't open it... but I did open the card and read the customs slip.
I"m so excited. I was certain I"d have a dud Secret Quonsar.
Do I thank my Secret Quonsar directly? I'd like to. I know who they are. But I didn't write on the Secret Quonsar, that I sent to the UK, who it was from. I think I just said it was from Secret Quonsar.
And I spent about $18 on the gift and $30 on postage.... I probably should have chosen something smaller and lighter to post overseas.
So... to stop rambling and get back to my original question.... where do the thank yous go?
posted by taff at 8:12 PM on December 8, 2009
DE is Delaware, a state, and Newark is a city there, unrelated to New York (although there is a Newark in New York too).
You are welcome to post thanks here or thank them directly if you know who they are. Either way is fine.
posted by IndigoRain at 11:32 PM on December 8, 2009
You are welcome to post thanks here or thank them directly if you know who they are. Either way is fine.
posted by IndigoRain at 11:32 PM on December 8, 2009
Thanks IndigoRain. I guess I could have googled (why didn't I???? silly me!)... but your link told me things I didn't know. I usually enjoy trying to work out what the letters stand for... but would NEVER have worked out Delaware. I'm a bit embarrassed to say that I"m not sure I would ever have guessed that. I think I thought it was a city.
Never strong on geography.
Now I know a little bit more about my universe. Thanks possum!
posted by taff at 2:48 AM on December 9, 2009
Never strong on geography.
Now I know a little bit more about my universe. Thanks possum!
posted by taff at 2:48 AM on December 9, 2009
There migt be a Newark in NY state (I'd have to check a map) but the Newark that you are thinking of that is not in Delaware is really in New Jersey. Airport, turnpike, etc.
posted by fixedgear at 2:49 AM on December 9, 2009
posted by fixedgear at 2:49 AM on December 9, 2009
*is tingly with anticipation-wanting to know who his SQ is and Oh! oh! what will be the gift?!*
posted by The Whelk at 7:47 AM on December 9, 2009
posted by The Whelk at 7:47 AM on December 9, 2009
Dear Secret Quonsar,
It was a delight to answer my doorbell just now and get THREE packages containing things from my wishlist. Thank you so much for the devil duckies, my favorite childhood book (From the Mixed-Up Files of Mrs. Basil E. Frankweiler), and a book I've wanted for a long time but never gave myself permission to actually buy because it seemed so silly (Loser Goes First: My Thirty-Something Years of Dumb Luck and Minor Humiliation).
I love them all and really appreciate that you sent them to me. Now tell me who you are :D
posted by Kimberly at 3:07 PM on December 9, 2009
It was a delight to answer my doorbell just now and get THREE packages containing things from my wishlist. Thank you so much for the devil duckies, my favorite childhood book (From the Mixed-Up Files of Mrs. Basil E. Frankweiler), and a book I've wanted for a long time but never gave myself permission to actually buy because it seemed so silly (Loser Goes First: My Thirty-Something Years of Dumb Luck and Minor Humiliation).
I love them all and really appreciate that you sent them to me. Now tell me who you are :D
posted by Kimberly at 3:07 PM on December 9, 2009
Thank you jeffkramer (heh, someone in Austin, I'm in Houston, what are the odds?) for the super-cool The Call of Cthulhu DVD!
posted by mrbill at 4:46 PM on December 9, 2009
posted by mrbill at 4:46 PM on December 9, 2009
fixedgear, that is probably the most famous one, but yes, there is a Newark in NY... I linked to its Wikipedia page in my last post.
posted by IndigoRain at 5:50 PM on December 9, 2009
posted by IndigoRain at 5:50 PM on December 9, 2009
I have yet to be secretly quonsed, and have yet to hear if the package I sent out made it there. I had no idea Secret Quonsar was so stressful.
posted by fairytale of los angeles at 10:35 PM on December 9, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by fairytale of los angeles at 10:35 PM on December 9, 2009 [1 favorite]
I'm in the same boat, fairytale! I'm starting to worry that either my gift sucked, or never arrived at alll!
posted by ukdanae at 1:32 AM on December 10, 2009
posted by ukdanae at 1:32 AM on December 10, 2009
I got my package this morning! I've no clue who my Secret Quonsar is, but I now have an awesome cassette shaped tote bag that holds 12 skeins of Shepherd's Shades. Yes, it was filled with yarn about 5 minutes after opening. Thanks, SQ!
posted by MaritaCov at 7:38 AM on December 10, 2009
posted by MaritaCov at 7:38 AM on December 10, 2009
fairytale, ukdanae, and pasici -- maybe your secret quonsees are waiting until the 14th or the 25th or some unknown date ("I won't open my gift until I send mine out!") to open them? Don't give up hope just yet :)
posted by k8lin at 2:06 PM on December 10, 2009
posted by k8lin at 2:06 PM on December 10, 2009
My SQ has got me awesome multi media back issues of Th Believer. Thanks SQ! Fess up so I can praise you to your face.
posted by shothotbot at 2:39 PM on December 10, 2009
posted by shothotbot at 2:39 PM on December 10, 2009
Excellent point, k8lin - being the magpie that I am, it never even occurred to me that someone would have the willpower to not open their present immediately!
posted by ukdanae at 3:29 PM on December 10, 2009
posted by ukdanae at 3:29 PM on December 10, 2009
I tried to make the package was distressing as possible. It is From The Internet after all.
OMG THE DISTRESSING PACKAGE IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE!
Thanks, The Whelk™! I can't wait 'till Quansarmus!
posted by cowbellemoo at 6:45 PM on December 10, 2009
OMG THE DISTRESSING PACKAGE IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE!
Thanks, The Whelk™! I can't wait 'till Quansarmus!
posted by cowbellemoo at 6:45 PM on December 10, 2009
Due to an online store which doesn't believe in gift messages, my SQ will have the pleasure of deciphering the origin of their package through a nondescript packing slip. Happy Quansarmus!
posted by cowbellemoo at 7:03 PM on December 10, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by cowbellemoo at 7:03 PM on December 10, 2009 [1 favorite]
cowbellemoo do what The Welk tells you and report back. We're curious out here.
(OK maybe just me)
posted by shelleycat at 3:30 AM on December 11, 2009
(OK maybe just me)
posted by shelleycat at 3:30 AM on December 11, 2009
it never even occurred to me that someone would have the willpower to not open their present immediately!
Last year, the gift I got was nicely giftwrapped. So I saved it for Christmas, and even brought it to the family Christmas to open with the rest of my gifts. This was not the best idea. "What's that gift?" "Oh, it's from some stranger on the internet." "Really?!" Luckily it was something normal.
posted by smackfu at 9:42 AM on December 11, 2009 [1 favorite]
Last year, the gift I got was nicely giftwrapped. So I saved it for Christmas, and even brought it to the family Christmas to open with the rest of my gifts. This was not the best idea. "What's that gift?" "Oh, it's from some stranger on the internet." "Really?!" Luckily it was something normal.
posted by smackfu at 9:42 AM on December 11, 2009 [1 favorite]
shothotbot - I'm glad you like them!
posted by mustcatchmooseandsquirrel at 12:35 PM on December 11, 2009
posted by mustcatchmooseandsquirrel at 12:35 PM on December 11, 2009
I GOT A PANTHER IN THE MAIL FROM MY SECRET QUONSAR AND THAT IS THE BEST GIFT EVER
posted by oldtimey at 3:49 PM on December 11, 2009
posted by oldtimey at 3:49 PM on December 11, 2009
Declawed, I'm guessing?
posted by heyho at 3:59 PM on December 11, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by heyho at 3:59 PM on December 11, 2009 [1 favorite]
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posted by davejay at 10:57 PM on December 4, 2009