Comments on: The Wheel is real?

The Wheel is real?

Tom-B — Wed, 30 May 2012 11:12:00 -0800

Wait wait — The Wheel is real?

By: yellowbinder

yellowbinder — Wed, 30 May 2012 11:19:10 -0800

OH DEAR WHAT DOES KP STAND FOR??

By: These Premises Are Alarmed

These Premises Are Alarmed — Wed, 30 May 2012 11:21:05 -0800

Kitchen Patrol, when I was growing up.

By: 1f2frfbf

1f2frfbf — Wed, 30 May 2012 11:21:12 -0800

Ahem.

By: yellowbinder

yellowbinder — Wed, 30 May 2012 11:23:24 -0800

OH DEAR I SHOULD REALLY GOOGLE THESE THINGS!!

By: Rock Steady

Rock Steady — Wed, 30 May 2012 11:28:10 -0800

yellowbinder: "OH DEAR WHAT DOES KP STAND FOR??"

I hesitate to consult Urban Dictionary here at work, so it must be left as an exercise for the reader to come up with all the possible unseemly explications for that abbreviation.

By: GenjiandProust

GenjiandProust — Wed, 30 May 2012 11:29:21 -0800

Maybe the mods can rework this for their own use:

1-Day Time Out
2-Day Time Out
Donate a Favorite
Backtagging Duty
Host a Meet-Up
Banhammer
Mod's Choice

By: 1f2frfbf

1f2frfbf — Wed, 30 May 2012 11:30:27 -0800

I don't know of it's the caps lock or the "OH DEAR..." but in my head yellowbinder is a character in a Kate Beaton comic.

By: mullacc

mullacc — Wed, 30 May 2012 11:31:49 -0800

ketchup party

By: yellowbinder

yellowbinder — Wed, 30 May 2012 11:32:14 -0800

I wish! They're all so refined and ridiculous!

By: k5.user

k5.user — Wed, 30 May 2012 11:34:39 -0800

ketchup parties are better than certain citrus parties, ascorbic acid being the same..

By: three blind mice

three blind mice — Wed, 30 May 2012 11:40:02 -0800

Claim 1 of U.S. Patent 4,834,657 says:

1. Apparatus for selecting one punishment from a plurality of punishments, comprising:

(a) a base wheel;

(b) a knob wheel rotatably mounted on the base wheel;

(c) a pointer attached to the knob wheel for selecting a punishment; and

(d) a plurality of adhesive-backed decals, each decal having a different punishment written thereon;

wherein in use decals are selected and attached to the punishment wheel at various locations thereon, the knob wheel is spun, and a punishment is selected according to which decal the pointer points to when the knob comes to rest.

Seriously. But that's not all.

Claim 8, which depends from Claim 1, says:

8. The apparatus of claim 1 wherein the punishments written on the decals comprise one or more of the following: "NO TV," "GROUNDED," "TIME OUT," "K.P.," "NO DESSERT," "DONATE a TOY," "K.P.," "NO SPORTS," "NO PHONE," "NO FRIENDS," "SWATS," "NO VISITING," "NO TREAT," "HOUSE CHORES."

No kidding. That's what it says. If there is an invention here - let alone a good idea - in 1989 I am hard-pressed to see it.

It's patents like this that give patents a bad name.

By: robocop is bleeding

robocop is bleeding — Wed, 30 May 2012 11:44:37 -0800

That's one badass tattoo you'll be getting, son.

By: charred husk

charred husk — Wed, 30 May 2012 11:44:50 -0800

I'm gonna add this patent as a reference to all the IDS forms I file today just for the lulz.

By: burnmp3s

burnmp3s — Wed, 30 May 2012 11:46:14 -0800

The key part about The Wheel that made it so devious was the Flip Response, which this wheel (and all wheels that do not lead to madness) is lacking.

By: Trurl

Trurl — Wed, 30 May 2012 11:47:33 -0800

Break a deal, face The Wheel.

We've covered this.

By: mr_crash_davis

mr_crash_davis — Wed, 30 May 2012 11:52:37 -0800

Bust. Bust a deal.

By: xod

xod — Wed, 30 May 2012 11:54:26 -0800

The Wheel can only be understood in connection with the categories of the symbolic and the imaginary. In the strictest terms, The Wheel can be neither spoken nor written. Thus it is defined as "that which never ceases to write itself."

The Wheel situates the symbolic and the imaginary in their respective positions has always been, and will forever be, Real.

By: Eyebrows McGee

Eyebrows McGee — Wed, 30 May 2012 11:54:59 -0800

I had a junior high teacher who actually did this. He had a pair of dice, one for punishments ("detention," "put up chairs," "clean frog terrarium," etc.) and one for length ("two weeks," "one day," "full semester,") etc., and his threat was, if you got in ANY trouble at all, you had to roll the dice and take the punishment. Well-behaved students were extra well-behaved in his class out of fear, because even really minor infractions could get you diced into two months of putting up chairs; but bad students were extra-bad because they knew they'd never get suspended, they'd just get a week of erasing chalkboards.

So this went really well for him until, on the same day, one of the class hooligans got caught cheating on a quiz and diced his way into zero punishment, and the daughter of the English department's head teacher called another student "stupid" during a group project (worm dissection, maybe?) and got a semester's worth of detention. At which point it came to the attention of the horrified administration and School Board (so much lawsuit potential), at which point he got removed from his classroom and turned into the computer lab monitor.

I hated that class so much, I felt like I was constantly having a low-level panic attack because there were no actual RULES and consequences and the bad students behaved like it was Lord of the Flies. It was so fucking stressful. I was like 12.

By: Edogy

Edogy — Wed, 30 May 2012 12:08:45 -0800

KP!

By: zachlipton

zachlipton — Wed, 30 May 2012 12:15:03 -0800

Wait, the story of The Wheel isn't 100% truth? Why I'll never...

I figured there had to be a web-based version of this nowadays, but my googling seems to only turn up BDSM-themed materials. Perhaps that's a good thing...

By: CancerMan

CancerMan — Wed, 30 May 2012 12:21:49 -0800

Darn. I thought Dr. Adler and robocop is bleeding finally made that Parenting Matrix.

By: special-k

special-k — Wed, 30 May 2012 12:37:50 -0800

So that's where robocop is bleeding stole the idea from. Gotcha.

By: Marisa Stole the Precious Thing

Marisa Stole the Precious Thing — Wed, 30 May 2012 12:42:42 -0800

The Wheel still beats having to face The Steer, with "Yes" or "No" written on each buttock.

By: The Whelk

The Whelk — Wed, 30 May 2012 12:43:48 -0800

Metafilter's complex dance of reality and illusion continues.

By: radwolf76

radwolf76 — Wed, 30 May 2012 12:54:38 -0800

Wheel of Morality, turn turn turn. Tell us the lesson we should learn.

By: scruss

scruss — Wed, 30 May 2012 13:29:46 -0800

Spin, spin, spin the Wheel of Justice
See how fast the bastard turns ...

By: TheWhiteSkull

TheWhiteSkull — Wed, 30 May 2012 13:38:00 -0800

It's missing Underworld, Gulag, Amputation, Forfeit Goods, and Aunty's Choice.

By: The Whelk

The Whelk — Wed, 30 May 2012 13:38:48 -0800

and the Lash Of Thanatos

By: Sys Rq

Sys Rq — Wed, 30 May 2012 13:40:05 -0800

If you google "Wheel of Ding," you will find many anecdotes about a history teacher from my high school.

Mr. Plato's Wheel of Ding was the reason I opted not to take history.

By: bearwife

bearwife — Wed, 30 May 2012 14:06:39 -0800

It's patents like this that give ~~patents~~ parents a bad name

By: IvoShandor

IvoShandor — Wed, 30 May 2012 14:08:06 -0800

The fuck? This doesn't strike me as what MeTa is for: "Look at this thing that wasn't really even in anyway like the thing I say it is similar to, other than it's a wheel."

I'm gonna do a MeTa about how robocop is bleeding's comment is related to the Price Is Right wheel.

And, btw, that comment does stand the test of time, but this seems like a lame excuse to link it and nothing more.

By: XMLicious

XMLicious — Wed, 30 May 2012 14:47:51 -0800

A somewhat surprising fact I came across was that the phrase about having someone "over a barrel" is from a real thing.

By: Decani

Decani — Wed, 30 May 2012 15:00:56 -0800

A somewhat surprising fact I came across was that the phrase about having someone "over a barrel" is from a real thing.
posted by XMLicious at 10:47 PM on May 30

At least it's not your turn in the barrel.

By: tully_monster

tully_monster — Wed, 30 May 2012 15:11:44 -0800

Holy crap, if this post did nothing else it alerted me to the sheer brilliance that apparently is robocop..

By: koeselitz

koeselitz — Wed, 30 May 2012 15:18:42 -0800

yellowbinder: “OH DEAR WHAT DOES KP STAND FOR??”

Rock Steady: “I hesitate to consult Urban Dictionary here at work, so it must be left as an exercise for the reader to come up with all the possible unseemly explications for that abbreviation.”

ketchup penis
kippered prostate
kaleidoscopic prick
kinky politician

By: zachlipton

zachlipton — Wed, 30 May 2012 15:42:00 -0800

And, btw, that comment does stand the test of time, but this seems like a lame excuse to link it and nothing more.

There is never a lame excuse for linking to The Wheel.

By: arcticseal

arcticseal — Wed, 30 May 2012 15:46:32 -0800

This is not The Wheel. The Wheel had randomized rewards/punishments even if you were good. This only has punishments and hence has only partial life scarring potential.

By: Dr. Zira

Dr. Zira — Wed, 30 May 2012 17:14:16 -0800

shhhhhh robocop is sleeping shhhhhhh

By: unliteral

unliteral — Wed, 30 May 2012 18:51:50 -0800

Mal - 'The Wheel never stops turning, Badger'
Badger - 'That only matters to the people on the rim'.

By: Tell Me No Lies

Tell Me No Lies — Wed, 30 May 2012 19:04:19 -0800

It's patents like this that give patents a bad name.

All patents are obvious after you read them.

Much like graduate theses, 95% of the effort goes into asking the right question.

By: maryr

maryr — Wed, 30 May 2012 19:28:44 -0800

The Animaniacs clip above is missing the best part! At the end, where the Warner brothers and the Warner sister chant "We won! We won! We won! We won!" - the reason is that after the usual "Wheel of Morality, turn, turn, turn! Tell us the lesson that we must learn!" the wheel landed on TRIP TO TAHITI!

To this day, whenever I see the hackjob glued on moral/educational lesson at the end of a show, I think to myself, TRIP TO TAHITI!

By: grog

grog — Wed, 30 May 2012 19:34:29 -0800

OH DEAR WHAT DOES KP STAND FOR??

Anything you want it to...

no wait that's AYWIT.

By: mendel

mendel — Wed, 30 May 2012 19:35:13 -0800

"SWATS"

"SWATS"

By: radwolf76

radwolf76 — Wed, 30 May 2012 20:10:29 -0800

maryr: "The Animaniacs clip above is missing the best part"

It is. I also wanted it to come up on morally bankrupt at least once, but as far as I know, that never happened during the show's run.

By: NoraReed

NoraReed — Wed, 30 May 2012 20:33:18 -0800

To this day, whenever I see the hackjob glued on moral/educational lesson at the end of a show, I think to myself, TRIP TO TAHITI!

That might almost make Glee bearable. Almost.

By: obiwanwasabi

obiwanwasabi — Thu, 31 May 2012 01:30:01 -0800

That's not a wheel.

This is a wheel.

By: The 10th Regiment of Foot

The 10th Regiment of Foot — Thu, 31 May 2012 05:36:11 -0800

Dr. Ernst Klinefelter was an early pioneer in the innovative and liberal use of corporal and pain enducing punishments to ensure compliance in early childhood development. Dr. Klinefelter, however also believed that striking a child only promoted violence and therefore these punishments must not involve caregivers inflicting pain upon the child, rather the child must inflict his own punishment. In addition to corporal punishment, Dr. Klinefelter was an early advocate of meditation techniques to calm, relax and center a person's psyche. He travelled to India in 1863 to study the techniques of the fakirs. Returning to Austro-Hungary in the 1870s he developed a series of yoga-like positions which he would force children to pose, sometimes for hours, in order to maximize the pain they derived without striking the child. Much like the Wheel, the Klinefelter Positions or KPs never caught on in mainstream child development.

By: Miko

Miko — Thu, 31 May 2012 05:51:33 -0800

I read that comment as satire, but it's fine satire because it doesn't wander far from truth. There were a whole lot of really strange psychological theories floating around during the 20th century. I don't know of a Benjamin Adler from the University of Maryland and all web references to him look to be spurious, but Alfred Adler was a very important psychologist who wrote a lot on children, discipline, and behavior and whose ideas underlie a lot of present-day mental health treatment. The Wheel of Punishment idea has a number of pop-culture expressions. Here's a radio morning-show version, this iphone app seems to have a wheel of punishment, Here's a Better Behavior Wheel that to all appearances is serious. This site also recommends using a wheel:

Although I don't recommend that you use this tool exclusively, it is highly effective to use to discipline children when you don't have time or in situations in which there are no immediate or natural consequences. Since spinning the wheel is fun, kids actually look forward to their consequences and perform them willingly. Since the child's spin of the wheel determines his consequences, you are no longer the bad guy.

I think it sort of makes sense that the idea would pop up here and there in different incarnations through time. The spinning wheel as a metaphor for fickle, random fate is a pretty old meme in which many cultures have participated in, going back to at least about the 5th century BCE. Perhaps the very early development of water-powered technology helped to fuel that, as people had plenty of opportunities to watch the turning of a wheel and be concerned about when it would stop. We've applied the spinning wheel in so many contexts: games, gambling, mythology, entertainment. The seeming cruelty of randomized discipline makes kind of a powerful match with the "round and round she goes, where she stops, no one knows" sensibility around the wheel, connecting, probably, to some pretty deep anxieties about being human and the unknowability of outcomes.

Thanks for the opportunity to do some overthinking with my morning coffee!

By: Miko

Miko — Thu, 31 May 2012 05:55:49 -0800

the Klinefelter Positions or KPs never caught on in mainstream child development.

I have a couple memories. One of a teacher who would take the class joker of the moment and have them stand in front of the room, arms straight out, with a penny in each palm, without allowing them to put their arms down. After about a minute or two, you physically can't hold your arms up any more, which would embarrass the kid and satisfy the teacher. Punishment over.

Another person when I was growing up (can't remember who) had a story about a teacher who would draw a tiny circle on the blackboard and make the miscreant come to the front of the room and place their nose inside the circle (usually this required an awkward bent stance). The punishment would be to keep your nose there until the teacher let you sit down again.

So though I'm quite skeptical about Dr. Ernst, the philosophy of the Klinefelter Positions seems to have been alive and well in American education of the last century!

By: Miko

Miko — Thu, 31 May 2012 05:57:00 -0800

Also, can't resist

By: The 10th Regiment of Foot

The 10th Regiment of Foot — Thu, 31 May 2012 06:01:35 -0800

This was the Wheel that my parents tortured me with during my childhood.

By: robocop is bleeding

robocop is bleeding — Thu, 31 May 2012 07:08:13 -0800

Benjamin Adler from the University of Maryland and all web references to him look to be spurious

Holy crap, I forgot about writing that years ago and started getting all Foucault's Pendulum up ins.

By: IndigoRain

IndigoRain — Thu, 31 May 2012 07:43:36 -0800

obiwanwasabi: "That's not a wheel.

This is a wheel. "

I see you've played knifey-spooney before.

By: PeterMcDermott

PeterMcDermott — Thu, 31 May 2012 12:06:46 -0800

This is like, The Dice Man, Junior Punishment Edition!

By: asnider

asnider — Thu, 31 May 2012 12:20:46 -0800

By: hippybear

hippybear — Thu, 31 May 2012 12:41:10 -0800

I recently attended an Elvis Costello concert where there was a giant wheel which ~~meted out punishment upon randomly chosen concert goers~~ selected the set-list for the night's show, including entire groupings of songs (sometimes) or letting the audience member who was chosen to spin it pick any song on the wheel (sometimes).

It was one of the coolest ideas for a show ever, and proves that EC and his band are godlike in their abilities.

[The audience members were asked to dance in a go-go cage for the duration of their randomly chosen song(s), and so maybe that was punishment. Hard to tell, really.]

By: Miko

Miko — Thu, 31 May 2012 12:47:05 -0800

I thought that KP duty, in addition to referring to actual kitchen patrol, was also a euphemism/slang for: "You're being assigned to clean the latrines." That was the implication behind the threat of KP duty at the summer camp I attended for a few years in my youth, at least.

At my summer camp, KP was definitely "kitchen patrol" and featured fairly fun things like shucking corn, shelling peas, and peeling potatoes. The assignment that related to latrine-cleaning was called "GU," for "General Utilities." Now that's a euphemism - there's nothing "general" about toilets, they're actually very specific things.

By: Splunge

Splunge — Thu, 31 May 2012 15:48:21 -0800

The was a teacher in my Elementary school named Mr. Greenberg. If a student annoyed him, for whatever reason, he would give them the Astronaut Training Program. He'd lift them up and dangle them upside-down by their ankles. There was sometimes shaking involved. The guy was a pure psychopath.

By: Marisa Stole the Precious Thing

Marisa Stole the Precious Thing — Thu, 31 May 2012 16:20:44 -0800

Most of the punishments meted out in my elementary schools were of the stand in the corner/stay in during recess variety, except for third grade. That's when we had a fearsome homeroom teacher, Ms. Traynham. Her mode of punishment was to write your infraction in large letters, in red magic marker on an A4 sheet of paper, make you come to the front of the class, and then stand there as she pinned that sheet to the front of your shirt. The rest of the class was not only allowed but encouraged to laugh at the poor sucker who had to deal with this. I was very, very well behaved in her class, but even at that tender age remember thinking just how fucking twisted this punishment was.

By: stoneandstar

stoneandstar — Thu, 31 May 2012 16:52:57 -0800

I was laughing last night reading about the New England Puritan punishment for incest, which was in one settlement to sit in the town square with a piece of paper reading "INCEST" pinned to your hat. I'm sure in reality that would be mortifying, but it seemed so light a touch (well, after reading about burglars having their ears nailed to the stocks and Quakers tied to a cart and whipped) that I couldn't stop giggling.

By: Infinite Jest

Infinite Jest — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 12:41:45 -0800

I recently attended an Elvis Costello concert where there was a giant wheel which selected the set-list for the night's show, including entire groupings of songs (sometimes) or letting the audience member who was chosen to spin it pick any song on the wheel (sometimes).

Yo La Tengo did this as well, although with concepts rather than individual songs: "they could play a set as their noisy garage alter-ego Condo Fucks, or as bassist James McNew's solo project Dump. Or they'll do a question-and-answer set, with music. Or they'll play half of their instrumental film-accompaniment album The Sounds of Science, except without the film accompaniment."

Other options were playing an entire set of songs with a name in the title, or a set of songs that begin with the letter S. Or acting out an episode of Seinfeld.