Comments on: Chatfilter posts are bad posts.

Chatfilter posts are bad posts.

Su — Thu, 16 May 2002 00:19:44 -0800

By: stavrosthewonderchicken

stavrosthewonderchicken — Thu, 16 May 2002 00:23:52 -0800

Similar issue recently discussed (assuming I understand Su's objection) here, for those of you not keeping score at home.

By: Su

Su — Thu, 16 May 2002 00:25:10 -0800

Not to mention...

By: Frasermoo

Frasermoo — Thu, 16 May 2002 00:40:03 -0800

Su I think you need to put away your officer's hat and don the chill cap for a while.

In the words of Matt "Despite what the guidelines say, people are going to talk about what they want to talk about. There have been threads for almost every >$100 million movie released, so just let them be and let the people interested in them speak freely."

By: skallas

skallas — Thu, 16 May 2002 00:58:09 -0800

At least link to a review or something. Plot elements are being discussed and it really hasn't been released yet. Midnight shows don't count.

Ideally, he should have linked to some content and people should label their posts spoiler if they're going to go on about the movie. He should have just linked to some star wars webboard, its essentially what's going on now.

Frasermoo, you're missing the point. The post is simply a link to starwars.com. Not to mention there's already a star wars post sitting on the front page. Su is rightfully complaining about posts without a link, not the topic.

By: nedrichards

nedrichards — Thu, 16 May 2002 02:00:59 -0800

A link to the metacritic reviews would be more helpful and actually provide some fodder for discussion. Y'know, like the link is supposed to do. I don't care about talking about Star Wars, I love talking about Star Wars, it's just a sucky post and we shouldn't be afraid to say that.

By: mischief

mischief — Thu, 16 May 2002 03:45:44 -0800

What Matt said! People are not going to talk about what some reviewer has posted online; people are going to talk about the movie itself. A generic link to www.google.com would be as relevant to the discussion as a link to metacritic.

This is just like some sports championship thread showing up on a guitar playing message board. It happens so learn to deal with it. aaronshaf thoughtfully kept the writeup to one line, so those who were not interested could easily skip over it.

Getting stressed over something this trivial leads to early heart disease.

By: jackiemcghee

jackiemcghee — Thu, 16 May 2002 04:35:28 -0800

skallas: "and people should label their posts spoiler if they're going to go on about the movie"

skallas: "If you don't want to be spoiled, stay away from information"

skallas: "I don't see why the initial post has be amazing when thousands of readers can chime in in the thread.

The idea that there's some formula for a good post just helps kill the weird diversity we really crave. Admit it cravers!
"

Nothing personal, mate - it just tickled my memory. ;)

By: Irontom

Irontom — Thu, 16 May 2002 04:40:01 -0800

Thanks jackiemcghee. That was very necessary.

By: rushmc

rushmc — Thu, 16 May 2002 06:57:11 -0800

Bad post. No linkee, no postee.

By: mischief

mischief — Thu, 16 May 2002 07:31:52 -0800

I am sure no one will miss you, rush.

By: mlang

mlang — Thu, 16 May 2002 08:11:05 -0800

su: you're going to catch a lot of shit for bringing this up, especially on the heels of your last metatalk post...

but you are one hundered percent correct.

both threads should be deleted. i don't care how many comments they have. each one baldly flouts site guidelines. is it the end of the world? no. but it will soon be the end of metafilter if we continue allowing shitty threads to proliferate.

By: dangerman

dangerman — Thu, 16 May 2002 08:34:14 -0800

Christ MeFi has turned into a bunch of whiney bitches.

By: Skot

Skot — Thu, 16 May 2002 08:42:12 -0800

Christ MeFi has turned into a bunch of whiney bitches.

Wow, you're edgy and sexy. I'll bet you have a motorcycle, or perhaps have seen one at some point.

This trend is getting pretty out of hand. Announcement by studio of [movie X]? Link posted. Initial previews of [movie X]? Link posted. Postproduction previews of [movie X]? Link posted. Premiere of [movie X]? Link posted. Have you seen [movie X]? Sigh . . . link posted.

By: gloege

gloege — Thu, 16 May 2002 08:43:57 -0800

Why not protest by refusing to post comments??? Then perhaps they will get the hint and stop posting tripe. It has worked for me on occasion (aka you peeps don't comment ergo I know not to post such crap again)...

By: MiguelCardoso

MiguelCardoso — Thu, 16 May 2002 09:11:09 -0800

I think it's important that people stick up for the guidelines here on MetaTalk regardless of its actual effectiveness. It's not about influence; it's about principle.

People who criticize Su are just criticizing MetaFilter's/Matt's guidelines in a roundabout way. If you don't like the guidelines, criticize them, discuss hypothetical changes, do something positive and direct. Saying "boys will be boys" is just stating the obvious.

I'm very liberal regarding posts but that's, paradoxically, a luxury afforded me by the fact that the great majority of fellow users stick to the guidelines("no linkee, no postee" in rushmc's immortal words)and that people like Su are not afraid to point out cases of flagrant disregard.

[No, not fragrant Stav. We'll have no farting jokes today, thank you very much. ;)]

By: Su

Su — Thu, 16 May 2002 09:19:52 -0800

Mlang: Yeah, I figure I probably will get some shit. Eh. Part of the purpose of this is that most people who argue against this kind of post try to make some sort of claim that "it doesn't happen every day." Well, here's the second time in two days I've done this. Then there's the Vanilla Coke post. And the one with absolutely no link at all before that.

Gloege: I didn't comment. I put nothing in there other than the standard "MetaTalk" with link to corresponding thread. All possibilities were left open for someone to at least make an attempt at linking, which actually happened immediately after my comment.

If what you mean is not to comment at all, then you're basically saying to just let the site devolve into a bunch of little subject-based ghetto factions. I accept that people want to talk about the war(to point out one of the more obvious groups), but they at least continually find new information to link to, generally. They don't just make all their posts point to say, an on-line copy of Bush's declaration.

By: Su

Su — Thu, 16 May 2002 09:21:31 -0800

Hold on. I'm taking the Vanilla Coke post back. There actually was an opinionated link in that one.

By: Frasermoo

Frasermoo — Thu, 16 May 2002 09:25:50 -0800

Find me a hall-monitor who doesn't get stick from their fellow students.

By: dangerman

dangerman — Thu, 16 May 2002 10:10:38 -0800

And lord knows MeFi needs more Hall-Monitors...

By: corpse

corpse — Thu, 16 May 2002 10:42:19 -0800

Mom, dan's bitching about the people who are bitching again!

By: mcsweetie

mcsweetie — Thu, 16 May 2002 11:03:06 -0800

people bitching about people bitching. could anything be more useless? it's as though they think any complaint is instantly invalid, just by the nature of being a complaint.

get a clue! some things do not belong on mefi, and one of the goals of metatalk is to talk about which is which and make visiting mefi a more rewarding experience. if the best thing you have to offer is "quit complaining!" then keep it to yourself because it doesn't help the discussion at all and just makes you look like a sourpuss.

By: dangerman

dangerman — Thu, 16 May 2002 11:08:08 -0800

I am a meta-sourpuss.

By: dangerman

dangerman — Thu, 16 May 2002 11:10:04 -0800

wait...mcsweetie is bitching about me bitching about petty post bitching. So that makes him a meta-meta-sourpuss.

By: BlueTrain

BlueTrain — Thu, 16 May 2002 11:21:28 -0800

Hmm...

This is indeed a disturbing trend, and the old link vs. discussion debate now continues. However, a link is required for a discussion. The fact that this was a double-post, and that the poster essentially made MeFi into a messageboard, as skallas has already pointed out, is wrong. Frasermoo, mischief, and those who agree with them...you are misunderstanding the purpose behind MetaFilter. Sure, the site has evolved over the years, however, the link remains crucial for the site's existence. Without proper Front Page Posts, this site goes to hell. The fact that this needs to be pointed out speaks volumes in regards to your respect for the site.

Beyond that, this site is not a chat session, which is what idiotic links like this create. MeFi receives millions of pageviews for inciteful links, along with usually intelligent commentary, not passe reviews of Star Wars.

By: CrazyUncleJoe

CrazyUncleJoe — Thu, 16 May 2002 11:25:12 -0800

people bitching about people bitching. could anything be more useless? it's as though they think any complaint is instantly invalid, just by the nature of being a complaint.

Hey, take it to ... oh.

By: Skot

Skot — Thu, 16 May 2002 11:35:04 -0800

It's times like this that we should take some time out to discuss a quality movie like Life as a House.

By: dangerman

dangerman — Thu, 16 May 2002 11:40:09 -0800

I hear Yoda kicks ass in that.

By: CrazyUncleJoe

CrazyUncleJoe — Thu, 16 May 2002 11:42:06 -0800

I hear Yoda kicks ass in that.

HEY! How about a spoiler alert, buddy!

By: darukaru

darukaru — Thu, 16 May 2002 12:05:55 -0800

I find it endlessly comedic to watch mcsweetie constantly ordering us to shut up in MeTa, while he has compelling discussions like these in his own forum to hold his attention.

By: majick

majick — Thu, 16 May 2002 12:36:09 -0800

Actually, I found the post amusing: It went up at 11:59, exactly a minute before the first showing was to begin.

[Yes, I'm aware there are non-Pacific time zones, but they exist entirely beyond the horizon of my caring.]

By: Danelope

Danelope — Thu, 16 May 2002 13:18:35 -0800

mcsweetie: people bitching about people bitching. could anything be more useless?

Yes. You bitching about people bitching about people bitching.

By: Kafkaesque

Kafkaesque — Thu, 16 May 2002 13:36:08 -0800

Actually Yoda bitching about people bitching would be pretty bitchin.

By: eyeballkid

eyeballkid — Thu, 16 May 2002 13:38:16 -0800

good night everyone, please tip your waitress!

By: nprigoda

nprigoda — Thu, 16 May 2002 13:40:24 -0800

*clap, clap*

By: mcwetboy

mcwetboy — Thu, 16 May 2002 14:30:31 -0800

Begun, this bitch war has.

By: mcsweetie

mcsweetie — Thu, 16 May 2002 16:18:53 -0800

I find it endlessly comedic to watch mcsweetie constantly ordering us to shut up in MeTa, while he has compelling discussions like these in his own forum to hold his attention.

does anyone hear that grindy sound? listen real close... do you hear it now? I think it's darukaru, face first in the insult barrel, presumably scraping the bottom of it!

By: BlueTrain

BlueTrain — Thu, 16 May 2002 16:25:51 -0800

mcsweetie, are you intentionally acting as a hypocrite, or are you completely oblivious? Could we please let this go?

By: dangerman

dangerman — Thu, 16 May 2002 18:40:56 -0800

Darth Sourpuss.

By: skallas

skallas — Thu, 16 May 2002 18:45:18 -0800

jackiemcghee, I really don't like spoilers and its pretty pragmatic to stay away from the info (like I posted way back when) but there's still curtesy to consider. If you think I'm warffling, fine, but I've seen things get a lot nastier recently regarding spoilers. For instance, I got 4 major plot points from someone's slashdot sig in an unrelated discussion. I think I have the right to change my opinion as things change.

Secondly, my other post defends the group dynamic here, not posting without a link. That's taken completely out of context. I think its very obvious that I was discussing lackluster posts not posts that link to essentially nothing and exist as an excuse to chat.

Lastly, how about that Yoda?

By: quonsar

quonsar — Thu, 16 May 2002 18:52:50 -0800

Christ MeFi has turned into a bunch of whiney bitches.
wrong. mefi has always been a bunch of whiny bitches. that's what keeps me coming back for more of that whiny bitch yummy goodness!

By: WolfDaddy

WolfDaddy — Thu, 16 May 2002 19:16:06 -0800

If you think I'm warffling

I'll curtesy to you if your warfles are as good as those parncakes I keep hearing about around here.

I'm sorry, I really have an impulse control problem. And a pedantry problem. And lots of other problems I won't bore me or you with. And I still say Oracle coulda kicked Yoda's ass with a plate o'cookies in one hand and a smoke in the other.

By: darukaru

darukaru — Thu, 16 May 2002 19:19:43 -0800

*big wet smooches for everyone, but only mcsweetie gets tongue*

By: stavrosthewonderchicken

stavrosthewonderchicken — Thu, 16 May 2002 19:49:50 -0800

ewww.

By: mcsweetie

mcsweetie — Thu, 16 May 2002 23:30:08 -0800

Could we please let this go?

I've made my point and if no one has anything else to add to it, sure.

By: jackiemcghee

jackiemcghee — Fri, 17 May 2002 00:55:51 -0800

Skallas, you read too much into my post. I pretty much agree with you. Like I said, what you posted tickled my memory - no attack on your opinion was intended.

People are way too touchy around here.