Something I never thought I'd see here October 12, 2012 10:40 AM Subscribe
Edit?...Edit!?!...EDIT!! Are pigs flying now? Is Ahab no longer Ahab? Or I meant to say-- "Thank you for the new 'Typo? Edit your post' button which I only now just noticed."
I guess this is "meta". A huge thank-you for the mods who added the "Edit your post" button for comments. I know people have been asking for it for a long, long time. I honestly assumed that it would never happen and that it was some sort of personal design or philosophy choice on the part of MatteJessaMex. So I've been really busy for the last two weeks and just barely noticed this today. I think it is awesome-- well done, guys. Thanks so much!!
I guess this is "meta". A huge thank-you for the mods who added the "Edit your post" button for comments. I know people have been asking for it for a long, long time. I honestly assumed that it would never happen and that it was some sort of personal design or philosophy choice on the part of MatteJessaMex. So I've been really busy for the last two weeks and just barely noticed this today. I think it is awesome-- well done, guys. Thanks so much!!
You are welcome! It's been a decent two weeks so far, still getting used to it.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 10:45 AM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 10:45 AM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
Yeah, man, it's bloody ridiculous, innit? What has the world come to?
posted by daniel_charms at 10:48 AM on October 12, 2012
posted by daniel_charms at 10:48 AM on October 12, 2012
Man, why can't this be the thread where the mods name-and-shame the edit button abusers?
posted by These Premises Are Alarmed at 10:51 AM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
posted by These Premises Are Alarmed at 10:51 AM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
I can only assume people abusing the edit button are then sacrificed to the edit button.
The spice must flow.
posted by griphus at 10:52 AM on October 12, 2012 [15 favorites]
The spice must flow.
posted by griphus at 10:52 AM on October 12, 2012 [15 favorites]
What's in the edit box?
Pain.
posted by shakespeherian at 10:53 AM on October 12, 2012 [15 favorites]
Pain.
posted by shakespeherian at 10:53 AM on October 12, 2012 [15 favorites]
If only Pandora had had an edit link.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 10:58 AM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
posted by MCMikeNamara at 10:58 AM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
Now no one will know the truth of what went on in this comment.
posted by charred husk at 10:59 AM on October 12, 2012 [3 favorites]
posted by charred husk at 10:59 AM on October 12, 2012 [3 favorites]
Are pigs flying now?
No that will only happen when they give us back the ability to post pics.
posted by The 10th Regiment of Foot at 11:02 AM on October 12, 2012 [4 favorites]
No that will only happen when they give us back the ability to post pics.
posted by The 10th Regiment of Foot at 11:02 AM on October 12, 2012 [4 favorites]
So how much abuse has there been? Since not everyone reads MeTa I would assume there is some perfectly innocent stuff going on.
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 11:05 AM on October 12, 2012
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 11:05 AM on October 12, 2012
What's in the edit box?
Pain.
Some edits have a certain grammar, that being the equivalent to a form. Through typos and correction, you will be able to paralyze argument, shatter consensus, set flames, suffocate an troll or burst his organs. We will kill until no typo breathes MeFi air.
posted by arcticseal at 11:06 AM on October 12, 2012 [10 favorites]
Pain.
Some edits have a certain grammar, that being the equivalent to a form. Through typos and correction, you will be able to paralyze argument, shatter consensus, set flames, suffocate an troll or burst his organs. We will kill until no typo breathes MeFi air.
posted by arcticseal at 11:06 AM on October 12, 2012 [10 favorites]
What's in the edit box?
Pain.
I must not edit. Editing is the continuity killer. Editing is the little death that brings total confusion. I will face what I wrote. I will permit five minutes to pass. When it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see the rest of the thread. When the editing box has gone, there will be nothing. Only the thread remains.
Pain.
I must not edit. Editing is the continuity killer. Editing is the little death that brings total confusion. I will face what I wrote. I will permit five minutes to pass. When it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see the rest of the thread. When the editing box has gone, there will be nothing. Only the thread remains.
The gom jabbar is a fictional weapon from the Dune universe created by Frank Herbert, appearing in his 1965 novel Dune and its adaptations. It is a poison needle tipped with "meta-cyanide"posted by zamboni at 11:08 AM on October 12, 2012 [23 favorites]
Tell me of the typos of your homeworld, Usul.
posted by cortex (staff) at 11:12 AM on October 12, 2012 [36 favorites]
posted by cortex (staff) at 11:12 AM on October 12, 2012 [36 favorites]
"pb, pb, pb," goes the refrain. "A million bugs were not enough for pb!"
posted by griphus at 11:16 AM on October 12, 2012 [5 favorites]
posted by griphus at 11:16 AM on October 12, 2012 [5 favorites]
So its been a few years, but the Bene Gesserit lady says that she is trying to identify pure humans from the general population. Did anyone ever figure that out? Like are there some human-something hybrids? Or is she trying to get the humans with special characteristics?
posted by shothotbot at 11:16 AM on October 12, 2012
posted by shothotbot at 11:16 AM on October 12, 2012
Edit without rhythm and we won't attract the banhammer.
posted by shakespeherian at 11:18 AM on October 12, 2012 [15 favorites]
posted by shakespeherian at 11:18 AM on October 12, 2012 [15 favorites]
What's in the edit box?
Pain.
I first read this as "Palin." It actually sort of made sense.
posted by brain_drain at 11:19 AM on October 12, 2012
Pain.
I first read this as "Palin." It actually sort of made sense.
posted by brain_drain at 11:19 AM on October 12, 2012
I think she mean the humans who are most like us pre-Scattering. The Atreides line traces themselves back to the ancient Greeks, for instance. I think it is to contrast with humans who have become something else entirely via divergent evolution/genetic manipulation like the Guild Navigators and the Bene Tleilax.
posted by griphus at 11:19 AM on October 12, 2012
posted by griphus at 11:19 AM on October 12, 2012
Wait no the Scattering is something totally different. But, iirc, all the different races/species in Dune evolved from humans.
posted by griphus at 11:20 AM on October 12, 2012
posted by griphus at 11:20 AM on October 12, 2012
The edit window has actually taught me a lot about the way that I interact with the site. Such as that the median time for me to notice my own typos is roughly five minutes and ten seconds after posting.
posted by strangely stunted trees at 11:24 AM on October 12, 2012 [11 favorites]
posted by strangely stunted trees at 11:24 AM on October 12, 2012 [11 favorites]
all the different races/species in Dune evolved from humans.
So everyone walking around looks like a human but is different somehow? Like picking out the thoroughbred from a bunch of horses?
posted by shothotbot at 11:25 AM on October 12, 2012
So everyone walking around looks like a human but is different somehow? Like picking out the thoroughbred from a bunch of horses?
posted by shothotbot at 11:25 AM on October 12, 2012
He who can edit a thing, controls a thing.
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 11:26 AM on October 12, 2012 [3 favorites]
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 11:26 AM on October 12, 2012 [3 favorites]
pure humans from the general population.
'Humans' as opposed to 'homo sapiens.' Can they overcome their instincts? Are they ruled by emotion, or mind?
posted by the man of twists and turns at 11:26 AM on October 12, 2012 [6 favorites]
'Humans' as opposed to 'homo sapiens.' Can they overcome their instincts? Are they ruled by emotion, or mind?
posted by the man of twists and turns at 11:26 AM on October 12, 2012 [6 favorites]
The Atreides line traces themselves back to the ancient Greeks, for instance.
Wow. That family just had no fucking luck at all.
posted by octobersurprise at 11:27 AM on October 12, 2012 [2 favorites]
Wow. That family just had no fucking luck at all.
posted by octobersurprise at 11:27 AM on October 12, 2012 [2 favorites]
griphus: “But, iirc, all the different races/species in Dune evolved from humans.”
Indeed. Even the Honored Matres.
posted by koeselitz at 11:31 AM on October 12, 2012
Indeed. Even the Honored Matres.
posted by koeselitz at 11:31 AM on October 12, 2012
'Humans' as opposed to 'homo sapiens.' Can they overcome their instincts? Are they ruled by emotion, or mind?
The old woman said: “You’ve heard of animals chewing off a leg to escape a trap? There’s an animal kind of trick. A human would remain in the trap, endure the pain, feigning death that he might kill the trapper and remove a threat to his kind.”posted by zamboni at 11:32 AM on October 12, 2012 [2 favorites]
The itch became the faintest burning. “Why are you doing this?” he demanded.
“To determine if you’re human. Be silent.”
Like picking out the thoroughbred from a bunch of horses?
That's how I took it. The Bene Gesserit were breeding towards what they considered the next evolutionary step of humanity and were taking the best of the existing stock to do it. Anyone who didn't meet their requirements for that stock was considered sub-human.
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 11:32 AM on October 12, 2012
That's how I took it. The Bene Gesserit were breeding towards what they considered the next evolutionary step of humanity and were taking the best of the existing stock to do it. Anyone who didn't meet their requirements for that stock was considered sub-human.
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 11:32 AM on October 12, 2012
So everyone walking around looks like a human but is different somehow?
Basically. Now I haven't read the books in a while, but you've got three factors: environment, breeding programs and technology. So when regular ole humans moved to different planets, they began to adapt to the environment, breed selectively, and perform experiments on themselves. So that's how you end up with things like axolotl tanks and Guild Navigators and the God Emperor who are all a few steps away from human, but share a common ancestor. As far as I remember, there aren't any true "aliens" in the series, only branches on our collective family tree.
posted by griphus at 11:32 AM on October 12, 2012
Basically. Now I haven't read the books in a while, but you've got three factors: environment, breeding programs and technology. So when regular ole humans moved to different planets, they began to adapt to the environment, breed selectively, and perform experiments on themselves. So that's how you end up with things like axolotl tanks and Guild Navigators and the God Emperor who are all a few steps away from human, but share a common ancestor. As far as I remember, there aren't any true "aliens" in the series, only branches on our collective family tree.
posted by griphus at 11:32 AM on October 12, 2012
Er, I misread. It's actually it's the inverse of what you're talking about. They might look very, very different from humans, but they're all somehow human.
posted by griphus at 11:34 AM on October 12, 2012
posted by griphus at 11:34 AM on October 12, 2012
The question of humanness ties at least in part to the Butlerian Jihad, which was a human revolt against computer oppression about ten thousand years before Dune took place. Sort of a classic sci-fi premise, man uses machine to improve his life, machine acquires responsiblity, machine acquires agency, machine starts calling the shots.
The difference is that, while in Terminator you had the machines do something a bit obvious like start a nuclear war and use big robots to shoot at people, in Herbert's conception the machine that kicked off the war was a hospital administrator that was selectively and subtly causing abortions in human pregnancies according to how docile and controllable the offspring was likely to be. It was selectively breeding for humans who were servants to its worldview.
And then Jehanne Butler, a Bene Geserrit, twigged that her own child had been thus aborted, and from there she cracks open this whole systemic breeding-and-control thing, and so the Jihad kicks off and a long future of human rejection (mostly) of thinking machines goes with it. Hence stuff like the Mentats, who are trained to do organically what used to be the job of the computers.
But so yes, this was a pretty foundational event in human galactic history and the ramifications remain pretty seriously felt in all sorts of ways ten thousand years later; and the Bene Geserrit in particular remain steadfastly dedicated to very very long-haul human breeding. And one of the things they're keeping an eye out for, one of the things The Box might help reveal, is evidence of some holdover in a given person's genetics of some of the damage done by those computers all those thousands of years ago. Fruit of the poison tree.
And that is why we have an edit window now.
posted by cortex (staff) at 11:37 AM on October 12, 2012 [110 favorites]
The difference is that, while in Terminator you had the machines do something a bit obvious like start a nuclear war and use big robots to shoot at people, in Herbert's conception the machine that kicked off the war was a hospital administrator that was selectively and subtly causing abortions in human pregnancies according to how docile and controllable the offspring was likely to be. It was selectively breeding for humans who were servants to its worldview.
And then Jehanne Butler, a Bene Geserrit, twigged that her own child had been thus aborted, and from there she cracks open this whole systemic breeding-and-control thing, and so the Jihad kicks off and a long future of human rejection (mostly) of thinking machines goes with it. Hence stuff like the Mentats, who are trained to do organically what used to be the job of the computers.
But so yes, this was a pretty foundational event in human galactic history and the ramifications remain pretty seriously felt in all sorts of ways ten thousand years later; and the Bene Geserrit in particular remain steadfastly dedicated to very very long-haul human breeding. And one of the things they're keeping an eye out for, one of the things The Box might help reveal, is evidence of some holdover in a given person's genetics of some of the damage done by those computers all those thousands of years ago. Fruit of the poison tree.
And that is why we have an edit window now.
posted by cortex (staff) at 11:37 AM on October 12, 2012 [110 favorites]
Do they get into that in Frank Herbert's books or is that from the prequel series? I might actually push through God Emperor because that sounds pretty good.
posted by griphus at 11:39 AM on October 12, 2012
posted by griphus at 11:39 AM on October 12, 2012
I have such a nerd-crush on you right now, Cortex.
posted by Aquaman at 11:39 AM on October 12, 2012 [5 favorites]
posted by Aquaman at 11:39 AM on October 12, 2012 [5 favorites]
The Atreides line traces themselves back to the ancient Greeks, for instance.
Wow. That family just had no fucking luck at all.
You mean the House of Atreus?
Making Cassandra the Founding Mother of the Bene Gesserit?
I didn't catch that!
posted by jamjam at 11:43 AM on October 12, 2012 [2 favorites]
Wow. That family just had no fucking luck at all.
You mean the House of Atreus?
Making Cassandra the Founding Mother of the Bene Gesserit?
I didn't catch that!
posted by jamjam at 11:43 AM on October 12, 2012 [2 favorites]
That's all from Herbert's books. As rough a go as God Emperor can be when you first get there after the initial trilogy and have this sudden huge break in continuity and action, it and the following two books chew through a bunch of really fantastic philosophy and prehistory of the Dune universe, and make it clear that as much as the Bene Geserrit are a complicated and often unlikeable bunch there is some really compelling and redeeming underlying stuff going on with them as a group. See also the Dune Encyclopedia, which is fantastic and contemporary to God Emperor.
posted by cortex (staff) at 11:44 AM on October 12, 2012 [4 favorites]
posted by cortex (staff) at 11:44 AM on October 12, 2012 [4 favorites]
Leaving aside the Dune fan fiction for just a mo, can I say how much I love:
MatteJessaMex
It reminds me of the Hallowgivemas Season, to describe the bloated, sugar-crash hungover blur at the end of the year. Or the core god of a variety of animism: Mathjessamex, creator and destroyer, alpha and omega, he whose skull cracked open and The Blue emerged fully formed, and she who wields the banhammer in the dead watches of 0100 - 0400 EST, of whom tazmad and the new mods are but lesser avatars who embody aspects of the whole, such as "Sundays and holidays".
It pleases me.
posted by Diablevert at 11:46 AM on October 12, 2012 [6 favorites]
MatteJessaMex
It reminds me of the Hallowgivemas Season, to describe the bloated, sugar-crash hungover blur at the end of the year. Or the core god of a variety of animism: Mathjessamex, creator and destroyer, alpha and omega, he whose skull cracked open and The Blue emerged fully formed, and she who wields the banhammer in the dead watches of 0100 - 0400 EST, of whom tazmad and the new mods are but lesser avatars who embody aspects of the whole, such as "Sundays and holidays".
It pleases me.
posted by Diablevert at 11:46 AM on October 12, 2012 [6 favorites]
As good a time as any to thank Rhaomi for posting this a while back.
posted by arcticseal at 11:55 AM on October 12, 2012 [4 favorites]
posted by arcticseal at 11:55 AM on October 12, 2012 [4 favorites]
This is seriously the best place on the net.
Hugs all around!
posted by shothotbot at 11:56 AM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
Hugs all around!
posted by shothotbot at 11:56 AM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
As good a time as any to thank Rhaomi for posting this a while back.
I HAD THINGS TO DO THIS WEEKEND
posted by griphus at 11:59 AM on October 12, 2012
I HAD THINGS TO DO THIS WEEKEND
posted by griphus at 11:59 AM on October 12, 2012
i demand more dune meta
posted by elizardbits at 12:00 PM on October 12, 2012 [6 favorites]
posted by elizardbits at 12:00 PM on October 12, 2012 [6 favorites]
Blame shakespeherian for starting it.
Any road followed precisely to its end leads precisely nowhere.
posted by arcticseal at 12:00 PM on October 12, 2012
Any road followed precisely to its end leads precisely nowhere.
posted by arcticseal at 12:00 PM on October 12, 2012
Also I need to track down my ca. 1970 copy of the Science Fiction Encyclopedia that has an article on Herbert characterizing him as a bold new upstart in the SF world.
posted by griphus at 12:00 PM on October 12, 2012
posted by griphus at 12:00 PM on October 12, 2012
"Tazmad and the New Mods" is our next band name.
I read the latter two Dune books for the first time just a few months ago and I agree that they are much better than their reputation and worth reading. I am actually very sad that the series wasn't finished properly. (I have a nigh-infinite tolerance for terrible pulp fiction, so I have read quite a few of the Brian Herbert prequel novels, but I refuse to read the sequel ones because I do not want the idea of that perfect final book polluted in my imagination.)
posted by restless_nomad (staff) at 12:03 PM on October 12, 2012
I read the latter two Dune books for the first time just a few months ago and I agree that they are much better than their reputation and worth reading. I am actually very sad that the series wasn't finished properly. (I have a nigh-infinite tolerance for terrible pulp fiction, so I have read quite a few of the Brian Herbert prequel novels, but I refuse to read the sequel ones because I do not want the idea of that perfect final book polluted in my imagination.)
posted by restless_nomad (staff) at 12:03 PM on October 12, 2012
People are still discovering the edit button? Huh. I guess no one really reads the grey, do they?
posted by ceribus peribus at 12:03 PM on October 12, 2012
posted by ceribus peribus at 12:03 PM on October 12, 2012
people who don't read MeTa are like people who try to build furniture without reading the instructions and always have pieces left over
posted by elizardbits at 12:07 PM on October 12, 2012 [9 favorites]
posted by elizardbits at 12:07 PM on October 12, 2012 [9 favorites]
I used edit for the first time the other day not to fix a typo but to make my post make more sense and be more correct, which resulted in it being longer. I felt kind of ashamed for doing so, like I was taking advantage of it instead of using it as intended. Please forgive me. Please!
posted by thrasher at 12:30 PM on October 12, 2012
posted by thrasher at 12:30 PM on October 12, 2012
Does the moderator see the future? Does he see a post of weakness, a fault or cleavage that he may shatter with words or decisions as a diamond-cutter shatters his gem with a blow of a knife?
posted by boo_radley at 12:31 PM on October 12, 2012 [2 favorites]
posted by boo_radley at 12:31 PM on October 12, 2012 [2 favorites]
The edit butun is grate.
posted by adamvasco at 12:32 PM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
posted by adamvasco at 12:32 PM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
As good a time as any to thank Rhaomi for posting this a while back.
Ah, man, the PDF is gone.
posted by adamdschneider at 12:36 PM on October 12, 2012
Ah, man, the PDF is gone.
posted by adamdschneider at 12:36 PM on October 12, 2012
people who don't read MeTa are like people who try to build furniture without reading the instructions and always have pieces left over
That's what part of me thinks too.
But another part thinks they're people like me who are (or were, now) secretly really proud that they were able to test the edit functionality 10 minutes after it was announced... which, if I could come up with a simile probably wouldn't be very flattering.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 12:36 PM on October 12, 2012
That's what part of me thinks too.
But another part thinks they're people like me who are (or were, now) secretly really proud that they were able to test the edit functionality 10 minutes after it was announced... which, if I could come up with a simile probably wouldn't be very flattering.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 12:36 PM on October 12, 2012
people who don't read MeTa are like people who try to build furniture without reading the instructions and always have pieces left over
Wait, you're not supposed to have pieces left over? I figured it was like those customer-loyalty punch cards, after assembling ten pieces of flatpack furniture I could collect the leftover bits and make them into a free bonus nightstand or something. Or a banjo.
posted by hattifattener at 12:50 PM on October 12, 2012 [3 favorites]
Wait, you're not supposed to have pieces left over? I figured it was like those customer-loyalty punch cards, after assembling ten pieces of flatpack furniture I could collect the leftover bits and make them into a free bonus nightstand or something. Or a banjo.
posted by hattifattener at 12:50 PM on October 12, 2012 [3 favorites]
people who don't read MeTa are like people who try to build furniture without reading the instructions and always have pieces left over
Similarly, people who read MeTa are like people who keep obsessing over the specs of a gadget they've bought, worried that it's somehow inferior to another gadget.
posted by daniel_charms at 12:50 PM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
Similarly, people who read MeTa are like people who keep obsessing over the specs of a gadget they've bought, worried that it's somehow inferior to another gadget.
posted by daniel_charms at 12:50 PM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
Right, I stopped at book 3 as well, the others seemed to go steeply downhill.
Anyway, thanks cortex for the breakdown of the history of that damn little box. I always figured it was a test of manhood and impulse control, which I guess your explination doesn't necessarily contradict.
Anyway, yea, edit button, groovy, I like to think that my previous metatalk thread asking for moderate, typo killing edit powers helped bring these glorious golden days about and that the $5 bucks generated by the subsequent throwaway sockpuppet said thread generated is being used to buy the mods something wonderful that they have yearned to buy for too long.
The eye that looks ahead to the safe course is closed forever.
- Paul Muad'Dib Atreides
posted by RolandOfEld at 12:54 PM on October 12, 2012
Anyway, thanks cortex for the breakdown of the history of that damn little box. I always figured it was a test of manhood and impulse control, which I guess your explination doesn't necessarily contradict.
Anyway, yea, edit button, groovy, I like to think that my previous metatalk thread asking for moderate, typo killing edit powers helped bring these glorious golden days about and that the $5 bucks generated by the subsequent throwaway sockpuppet said thread generated is being used to buy the mods something wonderful that they have yearned to buy for too long.
The eye that looks ahead to the safe course is closed forever.
- Paul Muad'Dib Atreides
posted by RolandOfEld at 12:54 PM on October 12, 2012
adamdschneider: " Ah, man, the PDF is gone."
Here you go.
Behold, as a wild ass in the desert, go I forth to my work.
posted by zarq at 12:55 PM on October 12, 2012 [3 favorites]
Here you go.
Behold, as a wild ass in the desert, go I forth to my work.
posted by zarq at 12:55 PM on October 12, 2012 [3 favorites]
I heard the MeTa.5.s is the bomb.
posted by The 10th Regiment of Foot at 12:55 PM on October 12, 2012
posted by The 10th Regiment of Foot at 12:55 PM on October 12, 2012
Out of curiosity, have we had any Hitlers to Puppies moments yet by the way?
posted by RolandOfEld at 12:56 PM on October 12, 2012
posted by RolandOfEld at 12:56 PM on October 12, 2012
*Puppies to Hitler I should say, let's get the meme right before we get too far down the road!
posted by RolandOfEld at 12:58 PM on October 12, 2012
posted by RolandOfEld at 12:58 PM on October 12, 2012
You heard about the new mods and the monthly dues, right?
posted by ceribus peribus at 1:04 PM on October 12, 2012
posted by ceribus peribus at 1:04 PM on October 12, 2012
elizardbits: "people who don't read MeTa are like people who try to build furniture without reading the instructions and always have pieces left over"
Try looking into that place where you dare not look! You'll find elizardbits there, staring out at you!
posted by boo_radley at 1:05 PM on October 12, 2012
Try looking into that place where you dare not look! You'll find elizardbits there, staring out at you!
posted by boo_radley at 1:05 PM on October 12, 2012
UNDER THE BED WHERE THE ROTTING SALMON LASAGNE IS
posted by elizardbits at 1:08 PM on October 12, 2012 [6 favorites]
posted by elizardbits at 1:08 PM on October 12, 2012 [6 favorites]
Any chance of zarq's working pdf link being put where the present dead link is?
posted by adamvasco at 1:08 PM on October 12, 2012
posted by adamvasco at 1:08 PM on October 12, 2012
someone please let me out
posted by elizardbits at 1:08 PM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
posted by elizardbits at 1:08 PM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
Here you go.
While you are indeed a wild ass, and I thank you for the link, that is not the same PDF. The one from the FPP was explicitly supposed to be a searchable PDF, not the image scan this one is (and which has been around for many years).
posted by adamdschneider at 1:13 PM on October 12, 2012
While you are indeed a wild ass, and I thank you for the link, that is not the same PDF. The one from the FPP was explicitly supposed to be a searchable PDF, not the image scan this one is (and which has been around for many years).
posted by adamdschneider at 1:13 PM on October 12, 2012
elizardbits, not until you finish that GoT FPP.
posted by the man of twists and turns at 1:13 PM on October 12, 2012
posted by the man of twists and turns at 1:13 PM on October 12, 2012
Yeah, what happened with that?
posted by boo_radley at 1:16 PM on October 12, 2012
posted by boo_radley at 1:16 PM on October 12, 2012
i'm lazy i guess
also pneumonia all month means lots of naps
posted by elizardbits at 1:22 PM on October 12, 2012
also pneumonia all month means lots of naps
posted by elizardbits at 1:22 PM on October 12, 2012
The rotting lasagna could be tied to the penumonia. Certainly can't be helping.
Although a stuffed nose could, perhaps, explain the tolerance you'd have to build up to the smell.
posted by maryr at 1:25 PM on October 12, 2012
Although a stuffed nose could, perhaps, explain the tolerance you'd have to build up to the smell.
posted by maryr at 1:25 PM on October 12, 2012
If you're trying to track down the original PDF, you'll probably have to try and locate a no-room or something. I heard from a friend that it has a lot of OCR artifact typos, which is disorienting at first but becomes fairly charming once you decide that it's actually wear and tear on original artifact because you're reading it like a full nother thousand years after it was published or something.
posted by cortex (staff) at 1:27 PM on October 12, 2012 [3 favorites]
posted by cortex (staff) at 1:27 PM on October 12, 2012 [3 favorites]
adamdschneider: "The one from the FPP was explicitly supposed to be a searchable PDF, not the image scan this one is (and which has been around for many years)."
Shit. Sorry.
I am 90% sure I have the encyclopedia in a mobi or epub file, which I could conceivably convert using Calibre. Give me 24 hours and I'll try to find, convert and upload it to Scribd for you. Of course, that would preclude it being a link the mods could substitute into the original FPP, but it would be something, at least.
posted by zarq at 1:27 PM on October 12, 2012
Shit. Sorry.
I am 90% sure I have the encyclopedia in a mobi or epub file, which I could conceivably convert using Calibre. Give me 24 hours and I'll try to find, convert and upload it to Scribd for you. Of course, that would preclude it being a link the mods could substitute into the original FPP, but it would be something, at least.
posted by zarq at 1:27 PM on October 12, 2012
Hey, the Dune Encyclopaedia was compiled by Willis McNelly! He taught me writing at CSUFullerton. Credit (or blame) for my use of adjectives, serial commas, and tendency towards triplets may be laid at his feet.
posted by benito.strauss at 1:34 PM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
posted by benito.strauss at 1:34 PM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
If only Pandora had had an edit link.
Surely it would be an edit box?
posted by Jahaza at 1:43 PM on October 12, 2012
Surely it would be an edit box?
posted by Jahaza at 1:43 PM on October 12, 2012
I just used it for the first time to fix a typo - it was a big moment for me.
And for the record, I did see the original announcement here, I just haven't had occasion to use it yet.
posted by scrute at 2:23 PM on October 12, 2012
And for the record, I did see the original announcement here, I just haven't had occasion to use it yet.
posted by scrute at 2:23 PM on October 12, 2012
Out of curiosity, have we had any Hitlers to Puppies moments yet by the way?
That really should have been the name for Cards Against Humanity.
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 2:30 PM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
That really should have been the name for Cards Against Humanity.
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 2:30 PM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
I was actually going to ask how long the edit window lasted, but decided to look before posting. I think that was about three days after the announcement. (Yes, I am guilty of assembling furniture without looking at the instructions, but I have a track record of getting it right.)
I also saw it blink out of existence once, which was kind of neat.
posted by Michele in California at 2:35 PM on October 12, 2012
I also saw it blink out of existence once, which was kind of neat.
posted by Michele in California at 2:35 PM on October 12, 2012
I have always loved that moment in the book, where the whole premise of the Bene Gesserit is cracked open and laid ruthlessly bare. It takes the rest of the books to work out how critical that test is to the entire future of the galaxy for an incomparable span of time to come.
The other important consideration is that if Paul IS actually not a human, in the sense of having the restraint and wisdom and self-control to master his pain and fear, killing him is absolutely the best choice for everyone because of the bloodline and its implications. It's not everyone being tested in that way, only candidates to the Bene Gesserit and potential Kwisatz Haderach.
Imagine Feyd Rautha with Paul's gifts.
posted by winna at 2:37 PM on October 12, 2012
The other important consideration is that if Paul IS actually not a human, in the sense of having the restraint and wisdom and self-control to master his pain and fear, killing him is absolutely the best choice for everyone because of the bloodline and its implications. It's not everyone being tested in that way, only candidates to the Bene Gesserit and potential Kwisatz Haderach.
Imagine Feyd Rautha with Paul's gifts.
posted by winna at 2:37 PM on October 12, 2012
The side effect of watching the edit window count down all the way and fade out. Remember to close the tab before it gets to zero, folks.
posted by Wordshore at 2:40 PM on October 12, 2012
posted by Wordshore at 2:40 PM on October 12, 2012
This is as good of a place as any to ask: what should I do if I see an "Edited to add that . . . ." or "Edited to fix . . . " at the bottom of a comment? Should I flag it, or just leave it alone?
posted by insectosaurus at 2:47 PM on October 12, 2012
posted by insectosaurus at 2:47 PM on October 12, 2012
Go ahead and flag it, we're trying to jump on those.
posted by restless_nomad (staff) at 2:49 PM on October 12, 2012
posted by restless_nomad (staff) at 2:49 PM on October 12, 2012
"To save one from a mistake is a gift of paradise." — Stilgar
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 2:50 PM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 2:50 PM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
Okay, thanks for the guidance! flag & move on it is.
posted by insectosaurus at 2:52 PM on October 12, 2012
posted by insectosaurus at 2:52 PM on October 12, 2012
The best antidote to a weird, wild day at work is to come home, check the grey, and find Cortex talking Dune.
posted by catlet at 2:54 PM on October 12, 2012
posted by catlet at 2:54 PM on October 12, 2012
The question of humanness ties at least in part to the Butlerian Jihad, which was a human revolt against computer oppression about ten thousand years before Dune took place. Sort of a classic sci-fi premise, man uses machine to improve his life, machine acquires responsiblity, machine acquires agency, machine starts calling the shots.
The difference is that, while in Terminator you had the machines do something a bit obvious like start a nuclear war and use big robots to shoot at people, in Herbert's conception the machine that kicked off the war was a hospital administrator that was selectively and subtly causing abortions in human pregnancies according to how docile and controllable the offspring was likely to be. It was selectively breeding for humans who were servants to its worldview.
And then Jehanne Butler, a Bene Geserrit, twigged that her own child had been thus aborted, and from there she cracks open this whole systemic breeding-and-control thing, and so the Jihad kicks off and a long future of human rejection (mostly) of thinking machines goes with it. Hence stuff like the Mentats, who are trained to do organically what used to be the job of the computers.
But so yes, this was a pretty foundational event in human galactic history and the ramifications remain pretty seriously felt in all sorts of ways ten thousand years later; and the Bene Geserrit in particular remain steadfastly dedicated to very very long-haul human breeding. And one of the things they're keeping an eye out for, one of the things The Box might help reveal, is evidence of some holdover in a given person's genetics of some of the damage done by those computers all those thousands of years ago. Fruit of the poison tree.
And that is why we have an edit window now.
I am SO hot for you right now, cortex.
posted by blurker at 2:56 PM on October 12, 2012
I am loving this Dune discussion. Also talk of Dune gives me find Earthworm Jim memories.
posted by Faintdreams at 3:40 PM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
posted by Faintdreams at 3:40 PM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
HOORAY FOR HIIIIIM
posted by elizardbits at 4:23 PM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
posted by elizardbits at 4:23 PM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
I did not know all this about Dune. I only ever read the first one. Hmmm....
posted by ocherdraco at 4:47 PM on October 12, 2012
posted by ocherdraco at 4:47 PM on October 12, 2012
I think I read three Dune books -- about thirty years and many, many (prescription) drugs ago. I have no hope of remembering much detail.
posted by Michele in California at 4:58 PM on October 12, 2012
posted by Michele in California at 4:58 PM on October 12, 2012
I even kind of like God Emporer, though it takes a lot to get past how radically he'd changed the familiar parts of the universe and attached new meaning to everything.
Heretics does that again, even further in the future, with a lot of only partially explained or barely touched on radical changes (Honored Maitre, anyone?) that, again, takes a lot of effort to decode, but for me at least, wasn't nearly as worth the effort.
Chapterhouse just... just.... Gardening? Really? Gardening? What? Why? Makes me yearn for Muad'dib.
posted by Ghidorah at 5:34 PM on October 12, 2012
Heretics does that again, even further in the future, with a lot of only partially explained or barely touched on radical changes (Honored Maitre, anyone?) that, again, takes a lot of effort to decode, but for me at least, wasn't nearly as worth the effort.
Chapterhouse just... just.... Gardening? Really? Gardening? What? Why? Makes me yearn for Muad'dib.
posted by Ghidorah at 5:34 PM on October 12, 2012
I did not know all this about Dune. I only ever read the first one. Hmmm....
If you care about writing style and cohesiveness, you're fine. If you love backstory and can stomach questionable prose, give the sequels a try or try a wiki.
posted by ersatz at 5:52 PM on October 12, 2012
If you care about writing style and cohesiveness, you're fine. If you love backstory and can stomach questionable prose, give the sequels a try or try a wiki.
posted by ersatz at 5:52 PM on October 12, 2012
As an aside have any of you tried facing your fear and letting it pass over you and through you? Because I think I did it wrong and now there's a big hole
posted by ook at 7:11 PM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
posted by ook at 7:11 PM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
Think you of the fact that a deaf person cannot hear. Then, what deafness may we not all possess? What senses do we lack that we cannot see and cannot hear another world all around us? What is there around us that we cannot know?
posted by infinitewindow at 7:57 PM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
posted by infinitewindow at 7:57 PM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
I really don't understand why this meta thread is all about Dune. It's not exactly what it promised on the box.
posted by lollusc at 7:59 PM on October 12, 2012
posted by lollusc at 7:59 PM on October 12, 2012
It is titled "Something I never thought I'd see here." Therefore, opening it up and finding a lengthy discussion of Dune (when you probably thought it was about an edit button) is fitting.
posted by Michele in California at 8:04 PM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
posted by Michele in California at 8:04 PM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
Oh man this thread is so awesome, thank you everyone!
posted by seasparrow at 8:25 PM on October 12, 2012
posted by seasparrow at 8:25 PM on October 12, 2012
As an aside have any of you tried facing your fear and letting it pass over you and through you? Because I think I did it wrong and now there's a big hole.
That wasn't fear, it was a large metal pole that fell off a transport truck. Common mistake.
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 8:47 PM on October 12, 2012 [4 favorites]
That wasn't fear, it was a large metal pole that fell off a transport truck. Common mistake.
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 8:47 PM on October 12, 2012 [4 favorites]
It's not fear, it's Festivus!
posted by arcticseal at 8:49 PM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
posted by arcticseal at 8:49 PM on October 12, 2012 [1 favorite]
Shai-Hulud has blessed us.
posted by a humble nudibranch at 9:08 PM on October 12, 2012
posted by a humble nudibranch at 9:08 PM on October 12, 2012
The irony is that we now have an edit window but I find I have nothing to sya.
posted by mazola at 9:28 PM on October 12, 2012
posted by mazola at 9:28 PM on October 12, 2012
This is comment number 100. And it didn't need any editing.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 10:24 PM on October 12, 2012
posted by flapjax at midnite at 10:24 PM on October 12, 2012
Are pigs flying now?
No that will only happen when they give us back the ability to post pics.
metafilter as we know it would collapse upon itself into a GIF black hole. but it would be AWESOME for the entire 4 minutes before that happens
posted by ninjew at 10:49 PM on October 12, 2012
No that will only happen when they give us back the ability to post pics.
metafilter as we know it would collapse upon itself into a GIF black hole. but it would be AWESOME for the entire 4 minutes before that happens
posted by ninjew at 10:49 PM on October 12, 2012
Shai-Hulud has blessed us.
Old Father Eternity could have given us more than a five minute window. Just saying.
posted by homunculus at 12:43 AM on October 13, 2012
Old Father Eternity could have given us more than a five minute window. Just saying.
posted by homunculus at 12:43 AM on October 13, 2012
Is Ahab no longer Ahab?
No, he never was. He's actually the whale. It's kind of a Tyler Durden/Ferris Bueller thing.
posted by Toekneesan at 3:40 AM on October 13, 2012 [1 favorite]
No, he never was. He's actually the whale. It's kind of a Tyler Durden/Ferris Bueller thing.
posted by Toekneesan at 3:40 AM on October 13, 2012 [1 favorite]
This means I need to learn what the heck Dune is. Like how I needed to watch the hilarious clip of Kirk vs Gorn to understand the Biden/Ryan thread.
Metafilter, you're educating me.
posted by undue influence at 4:07 AM on October 13, 2012
Metafilter, you're educating me.
posted by undue influence at 4:07 AM on October 13, 2012
Great, now I have the star trek battle music stuck in my head. Thanks. Thanks a lot.
posted by zarq at 4:37 AM on October 13, 2012
posted by zarq at 4:37 AM on October 13, 2012
It's not exactly what it promised on the box.
Truly, Shai-Hulud has blessed us.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 5:32 AM on October 13, 2012
Truly, Shai-Hulud has blessed us.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 5:32 AM on October 13, 2012
metafilter as we know it would collapse upon itself into a GIF black hole.
Muad'Dib could indeed see the Future, but you must understand the limits of this power. Think of sight. You have eyes, yet cannot see without light. If you are on the floor of a valley, you cannot see beyond your valley. Just so, Muad'Dib could not always choose to look across the mysterious terrain. He tells us that a single obscure decision of prophecy, perhaps the choice of one word over another, could change the entire aspect of the future. He tells us "The vision of time is broad, but when you pass through it, time becomes a narrow door." And always, he fought the temptation to choose a clear, safe course, warning "That path leads ever down into stagnation."
posted by ersatz at 6:04 AM on October 13, 2012 [2 favorites]
Muad'Dib could indeed see the Future, but you must understand the limits of this power. Think of sight. You have eyes, yet cannot see without light. If you are on the floor of a valley, you cannot see beyond your valley. Just so, Muad'Dib could not always choose to look across the mysterious terrain. He tells us that a single obscure decision of prophecy, perhaps the choice of one word over another, could change the entire aspect of the future. He tells us "The vision of time is broad, but when you pass through it, time becomes a narrow door." And always, he fought the temptation to choose a clear, safe course, warning "That path leads ever down into stagnation."
posted by ersatz at 6:04 AM on October 13, 2012 [2 favorites]
I just learned that the jovial, middle-aged, maternal, but also sort of no-nonsense Dominican woman who frequently rings me up at my local overpriced NYC supermarket is a gamer and into comics. She was very excited about heading back over to the Javits Center after her shift for her second day of Comic-Con, or whatever that thing is called.
So how's that for "something I never thought I'd see here?" And how awesome is New York?
posted by spitbull at 6:51 AM on October 13, 2012 [1 favorite]
So how's that for "something I never thought I'd see here?" And how awesome is New York?
posted by spitbull at 6:51 AM on October 13, 2012 [1 favorite]
The best part is that now I won't have to keep blaming my typos on my iPhone, which was hard since I don't have one.
posted by StickyCarpet at 6:57 AM on October 13, 2012
posted by StickyCarpet at 6:57 AM on October 13, 2012
i blame my typos on the whelk's ipad because it has terrible eldritch powers of typo that transcend space and time.
posted by elizardbits at 7:27 AM on October 13, 2012 [2 favorites]
posted by elizardbits at 7:27 AM on October 13, 2012 [2 favorites]
Whelk has a rinestone studded ipad with a mini smoke machine and corkscrew.
this editing feature is wunderful
posted by clavdivs at 8:00 AM on October 13, 2012 [1 favorite]
this editing feature is wunderful
posted by clavdivs at 8:00 AM on October 13, 2012 [1 favorite]
It's not fear, it's Festivus!
Here for the Festival, are ye?
posted by Devils Rancher at 10:00 AM on October 13, 2012
Here for the Festival, are ye?
posted by Devils Rancher at 10:00 AM on October 13, 2012
Oh, Galacian girls
Will do it for pearls
And the Arrakeen for water
But if you desire dames
Like consuming flames
Try an edit window
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 11:27 AM on October 13, 2012 [1 favorite]
Will do it for pearls
And the Arrakeen for water
But if you desire dames
Like consuming flames
Try an edit window
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 11:27 AM on October 13, 2012 [1 favorite]
i blame my typos on the whelk's ipad because it has terrible eldritch powers of typo that transcend space and time.
From the negative-syntax plane, I satb at thee.
posted by The Whelk at 12:04 PM on October 13, 2012
From the negative-syntax plane, I satb at thee.
posted by The Whelk at 12:04 PM on October 13, 2012
See also the Dune Encyclopedia, which is fantastic and contemporary to God Emperor.
Well now, define contemporary: It was "written" in 15540, 1,816 years after Leto II died.
posted by mph at 12:07 PM on October 13, 2012
Well now, define contemporary: It was "written" in 15540, 1,816 years after Leto II died.
posted by mph at 12:07 PM on October 13, 2012
This means I need to learn what the heck Dune is.
There is much disagreement around everything after the original book ("Dune") but pretty much everyone agrees that first one was a masterpiece of universe building and a good story to boot.
It has never been filmed successfully, although the SciFi Channel's 6 hour miniseries took a fairly credible shot at it. Under no circumstances should you watch the Lynch film. Really, just read the book.
(dons asbestos suit and braces for incoming fire)
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 12:25 PM on October 13, 2012
There is much disagreement around everything after the original book ("Dune") but pretty much everyone agrees that first one was a masterpiece of universe building and a good story to boot.
It has never been filmed successfully, although the SciFi Channel's 6 hour miniseries took a fairly credible shot at it. Under no circumstances should you watch the Lynch film. Really, just read the book.
(dons asbestos suit and braces for incoming fire)
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 12:25 PM on October 13, 2012
See also the Dune Encyclopedia, which is fantastic and contemporary to God Emperor.
Well now, define contemporary: It was "written" in 15540, 1,816 years after Leto II died.
Pretty sure he meant contemporary to the book God Emperor, not the dude God Emperor.
posted by adamdschneider at 12:49 PM on October 13, 2012
Well now, define contemporary: It was "written" in 15540, 1,816 years after Leto II died.
Pretty sure he meant contemporary to the book God Emperor, not the dude God Emperor.
posted by adamdschneider at 12:49 PM on October 13, 2012
It has never been filmed successfully,
The David Lynch Dune saga is truly something to behold.
Sadly, Jodorowsky's version only exists in the red universe.
posted by the man of twists and turns at 12:55 PM on October 13, 2012
The David Lynch Dune saga is truly something to behold.
Sadly, Jodorowsky's version only exists in the red universe.
posted by the man of twists and turns at 12:55 PM on October 13, 2012
The sexual desires of the camel
Are greater than most people think;
At the height of its sexual season
It must go and try bugger the Sphinx.
But the anal canal of that creature
Is blocked by the sands of the Nile,
Which accounts for the hump of the camel
And the five-minute editing window.
posted by daniel_charms at 1:08 PM on October 13, 2012 [1 favorite]
Are greater than most people think;
At the height of its sexual season
It must go and try bugger the Sphinx.
But the anal canal of that creature
Is blocked by the sands of the Nile,
Which accounts for the hump of the camel
And the five-minute editing window.
posted by daniel_charms at 1:08 PM on October 13, 2012 [1 favorite]
It's been a while. The moderators Bene Gesserit's main focus is on politics?
posted by double block and bleed at 1:11 PM on October 13, 2012
posted by double block and bleed at 1:11 PM on October 13, 2012
I believe the Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam says so explicitly in the first chapter of the book, though it's been a while since I read it, too.
posted by adamdschneider at 1:29 PM on October 13, 2012
posted by adamdschneider at 1:29 PM on October 13, 2012
I've got a searchable version of the Dune Encyclopaedia, memail me with your email address if you'd like it.
posted by Happy Dave at 1:32 PM on October 13, 2012 [2 favorites]
posted by Happy Dave at 1:32 PM on October 13, 2012 [2 favorites]
Pretty sure he meant contemporary to the book God Emperor, not the dude God Emperor.
Well, that's no fun.
posted by mph at 2:20 PM on October 13, 2012
Well, that's no fun.
posted by mph at 2:20 PM on October 13, 2012
In 1975, Jodorowsky planned to film the story as a ten-hour feature, in collaboration with Salvador Dalí, Orson Welles, Gloria Swanson, David Carradine, Geraldine Chaplin, Alain Delon, Hervé Villechaize and Mick Jagger. It was at first proposed to score the film with original music by Karlheinz Stockhausen, Henry Cow and Magma;
That would have been either totally awesome or a horrible mess. But I have to admit to kind of liking the David Lynch version, too...
And the edit feature isn't bad, either (though that countdown clock kind of makes me nervous).
posted by klausness at 2:59 PM on October 13, 2012 [1 favorite]
That would have been either totally awesome or a horrible mess. But I have to admit to kind of liking the David Lynch version, too...
And the edit feature isn't bad, either (though that countdown clock kind of makes me nervous).
posted by klausness at 2:59 PM on October 13, 2012 [1 favorite]
Okay, the floor is open: Who would Hervé Villechaize have been cast as?
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 3:35 PM on October 13, 2012
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 3:35 PM on October 13, 2012
Clearly cast as a Bene Gesserit, though I'm unable to see which one.
posted by vers at 3:53 PM on October 13, 2012
posted by vers at 3:53 PM on October 13, 2012
The Bene Gesserit are all part of the breeding program. Not to mention female...
I was thinking he might be a navigator.
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 4:06 PM on October 13, 2012
I was thinking he might be a navigator.
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 4:06 PM on October 13, 2012
There we go being heteronormative again, in the movies no less ;
posted by vers at 4:31 PM on October 13, 2012
posted by vers at 4:31 PM on October 13, 2012
Okay, the floor is open: Who would Hervé Villechaize have been cast as?
The very precocious baby Alia, I think.
posted by mph at 4:34 PM on October 13, 2012 [1 favorite]
The very precocious baby Alia, I think.
posted by mph at 4:34 PM on October 13, 2012 [1 favorite]
There is much disagreement around everything after the original book ("Dune") but pretty much everyone agrees that first one was a masterpiece of universe building and a good story to boot.
Although the last line of the narrative is cringe-worthy in an epic way. It's like a sandworm of cringe.
posted by GenjiandProust at 4:34 PM on October 13, 2012
Although the last line of the narrative is cringe-worthy in an epic way. It's like a sandworm of cringe.
posted by GenjiandProust at 4:34 PM on October 13, 2012
(dons asbestos suit and braces for incoming fire)
Haven't seen any of that yet, but I happen to agree with you. For all its flaws, the SciFi Channel offering is worlds better than the Lynch thing.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 5:11 PM on October 13, 2012
Haven't seen any of that yet, but I happen to agree with you. For all its flaws, the SciFi Channel offering is worlds better than the Lynch thing.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 5:11 PM on October 13, 2012
The miniseries is a much more successfully coherent adaptation of the book, but the Lynch film is a way, way better Lynch film.
posted by cortex (staff) at 5:16 PM on October 13, 2012
posted by cortex (staff) at 5:16 PM on October 13, 2012
And the Herbert book is a way better Herbert book.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 5:20 PM on October 13, 2012 [1 favorite]
posted by Kirth Gerson at 5:20 PM on October 13, 2012 [1 favorite]
Although the last line of the narrative is cringe-worthy in an epic way. It's like a sandworm of cringe.
It could be worse.
I tend to think the Jodorowsky film would be even more of a mess than the Lynch film, narratively, although it would likely be more visually interesting. I have a very big soft spot for the Lynch film (MacLachlan really sells that "sleeper has awakened" line), although the Weirding Modules are the dumbest thing in the history of dumb SF. Thanks to Dune, I got to say to my girlfriend during Lawrence of Arabia, "Hey, remember that movie you hated? That guy played the emperor in it."
posted by adamdschneider at 5:22 PM on October 13, 2012
It could be worse.
I tend to think the Jodorowsky film would be even more of a mess than the Lynch film, narratively, although it would likely be more visually interesting. I have a very big soft spot for the Lynch film (MacLachlan really sells that "sleeper has awakened" line), although the Weirding Modules are the dumbest thing in the history of dumb SF. Thanks to Dune, I got to say to my girlfriend during Lawrence of Arabia, "Hey, remember that movie you hated? That guy played the emperor in it."
posted by adamdschneider at 5:22 PM on October 13, 2012
Oh, also, thanks Happy Dave, but I actually found a copy I downloaded when the FPP was first made, apparently.
posted by adamdschneider at 5:24 PM on October 13, 2012
posted by adamdschneider at 5:24 PM on October 13, 2012
As a computer programmer, I sometimes find the idea of a Butlerian Jihad appealing.
posted by graymouser at 5:31 PM on October 13, 2012 [1 favorite]
posted by graymouser at 5:31 PM on October 13, 2012 [1 favorite]
Mostly what I remember from the miniseries are the awful effects. I have this seared image of Paul and Jessica play-running in front of what is the most obvious green screen I'd ever seen. It was embarrassingly bad.
I think I liked the eyes better than the Lynch ones, though.. maybe it's time to re-watch it and see.
posted by curious nu at 5:31 PM on October 13, 2012
I think I liked the eyes better than the Lynch ones, though.. maybe it's time to re-watch it and see.
posted by curious nu at 5:31 PM on October 13, 2012
For me the fundamental problem of the Lynch film, Lynch-y as it was, is that there's no way to tell even the A story of Dune in two hours. And give the fact that it effectively has two A stories any attempt to condense it is just going to be a mess.
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 5:44 PM on October 13, 2012
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 5:44 PM on October 13, 2012
i blame my typos on the whelk's ipad because it has terrible eldritch powers of typo that transcend space and time.
Wow, I'd heard the new Maps app was bad, but that's really something else.
not edited to add: I really have had nothing to say for the past few weeks and just want to see the edit window.
posted by stet at 6:00 PM on October 13, 2012
Wow, I'd heard the new Maps app was bad, but that's really something else.
not edited to add: I really have had nothing to say for the past few weeks and just want to see the edit window.
posted by stet at 6:00 PM on October 13, 2012
As a mentat, I sometimes find the idea of the Butlerian Jihad appealing.
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 6:11 PM on October 13, 2012 [1 favorite]
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 6:11 PM on October 13, 2012 [1 favorite]
I'm profoundly glad that I had the prescience to be rereading Dune this week. I'm in the the third book right now (Lady Jessica has just seen Alia doing the Baron's telltale finger tapping) and this thread is feeding my spice habit.
posted by a humble nudibranch at 6:41 PM on October 13, 2012 [1 favorite]
posted by a humble nudibranch at 6:41 PM on October 13, 2012 [1 favorite]
As a paranoid android with a death wish, I sometimes find the idea of the Butlerian Jihad appealing.
posted by hattifattener at 8:23 PM on October 13, 2012
posted by hattifattener at 8:23 PM on October 13, 2012
As someone who has a sizable collection of lesser known collectable trading card games from the initial boom in the mid 90s, I find the idea of having a Butler for my Jyhad cards appealing.
posted by radwolf76 at 8:47 PM on October 13, 2012
posted by radwolf76 at 8:47 PM on October 13, 2012
As a Fremen with an overwhelming distrust of anything that is not in, on, or of the desert, I find the idea of jihad appealing. Are we killing anything in particular? Will there be water?
posted by Ghidorah at 9:57 PM on October 13, 2012 [1 favorite]
posted by Ghidorah at 9:57 PM on October 13, 2012 [1 favorite]
Although the last line of the narrative is cringe-worthy in an epic way. It's like a sandworm of cringe.
If I recall that same quote was the second-to-last line of Doon, with the last line being "They can call me what they like, as long as they don't call me late for dinner!"
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 11:28 PM on October 13, 2012
If I recall that same quote was the second-to-last line of Doon, with the last line being "They can call me what they like, as long as they don't call me late for dinner!"
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 11:28 PM on October 13, 2012
For those uncertain about this whole Dune thing, it's just Herbert's fascination with all-consuming sand dunes in Oregon.
posted by filthy light thief at 7:19 AM on October 14, 2012
posted by filthy light thief at 7:19 AM on October 14, 2012
Typo correction on my right, substantial edit on my left and the threat of ban behind me.
posted by Erberus at 9:17 AM on October 14, 2012 [1 favorite]
posted by Erberus at 9:17 AM on October 14, 2012 [1 favorite]
curious nu: "Mostly what I remember from the miniseries are the awful effects. I have this seared image of Paul and Jessica play-running in front of what is the most obvious green screen I'd ever seen. It was embarrassingly bad."
IIRC (image search is not coming up with much), it wasn't a bad green screen, it was reasonably good matte paintings. I liked the effect and thought it worked much better than low-budget CGI would have.
posted by Lexica at 9:32 AM on October 14, 2012
IIRC (image search is not coming up with much), it wasn't a bad green screen, it was reasonably good matte paintings. I liked the effect and thought it worked much better than low-budget CGI would have.
posted by Lexica at 9:32 AM on October 14, 2012
I love love love the edit function.
However I'm finding it's still not going to cure me of all grammar and spelling problems. Because I'll finish hit post, cringe, hit edit, then finish - and dammit I've still left a bunch of things that should be corrected. Yes, I suck at self-editing. But hey, at least I get one shot at it!
Every time anyone mentions Dune I then get a metal image of Sting yelling "I will killlll him!" So deeply, memorably, laughably bad. (I'll let someone else link the YouTube, if I go in there I'll not be back for hours.)
posted by batgrlHG at 11:04 AM on October 14, 2012
However I'm finding it's still not going to cure me of all grammar and spelling problems. Because I'll finish hit post, cringe, hit edit, then finish - and dammit I've still left a bunch of things that should be corrected. Yes, I suck at self-editing. But hey, at least I get one shot at it!
Every time anyone mentions Dune I then get a metal image of Sting yelling "I will killlll him!" So deeply, memorably, laughably bad. (I'll let someone else link the YouTube, if I go in there I'll not be back for hours.)
posted by batgrlHG at 11:04 AM on October 14, 2012
batgrlHG, you can edit the same comment more than once, so long as it's within 5 minutes of first posting.
posted by benito.strauss at 3:29 PM on October 14, 2012
posted by benito.strauss at 3:29 PM on October 14, 2012
<comicbookguy> Um, the Jehanne Butler story is from "The Dune Encyclopedia", and as such its status as canon is shaky at best. </comicbookguy>
posted by Lazlo Hollyfeld at 5:22 PM on October 14, 2012
posted by Lazlo Hollyfeld at 5:22 PM on October 14, 2012
Ooohh, how did that feel cortex? Did it mount slowly? Started to feel like heat upon heat upon heat? And then, canon burning!
posted by P.o.B. at 6:07 PM on October 14, 2012
posted by P.o.B. at 6:07 PM on October 14, 2012
The slow gripe penetrates the composure.
posted by cortex (staff) at 7:13 AM on October 15, 2012 [1 favorite]
posted by cortex (staff) at 7:13 AM on October 15, 2012 [1 favorite]
Just the tip.
posted by adamdschneider at 8:55 AM on October 15, 2012
posted by adamdschneider at 8:55 AM on October 15, 2012
...and the leper says, "keep the tip!"
posted by The 10th Regiment of Foot at 10:13 AM on October 15, 2012
posted by The 10th Regiment of Foot at 10:13 AM on October 15, 2012
...and the welder says "Keep the TIG!"
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 10:27 AM on October 15, 2012
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 10:27 AM on October 15, 2012
Okay, the floor is open: Who would Hervé Villechaize have been cast as?
Do we know for sure that the Jodorowsky film would have encompassed only the first book?
If not, I can totally see Villechaize as a Tleilaxu Face Dancer.
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 10:29 AM on October 15, 2012
Do we know for sure that the Jodorowsky film would have encompassed only the first book?
If not, I can totally see Villechaize as a Tleilaxu Face Dancer.
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 10:29 AM on October 15, 2012
Hmm, that's not bad.
Of course the more I read about the Jodorowsky film the more I think it would been Twin Peaks on LSD in the desert. So we all would have gotten our Lynch fix as well.
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 6:52 PM on October 15, 2012
Of course the more I read about the Jodorowsky film the more I think it would been Twin Peaks on LSD in the desert. So we all would have gotten our Lynch fix as well.
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 6:52 PM on October 15, 2012
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posted by Think_Long at 10:43 AM on October 12, 2012