I'm fucking tired of this...

July 11, 2002 12:46 PM

I'm fucking tired of this from mikegre. Nothing so handy as a man committed to dropping the signal/noise ratio by pissing all over threads. Bonus for first-posting that trash so many times.
posted by NortonDC to Etiquette/Policy at 12:46 PM (52 comments total)

Let's not lose any sleep over this.

posted by rcade at 12:48 PM on July 11, 2002

C'mon, guys, narcolepsy is a recognised medical condition. The man deserves our understanding. And our Jolt.
posted by rory at 1:12 PM on July 11, 2002

I often find myself reading a thread, and wonder to myself "Self, I wonder if mikegre finds this thread boring?" -- and lo these many times he has answered. If he didn't *yawn* in the thread I'd NEVER KNOW that he found it uninteresting... can you imagine?
posted by malphigian at 1:15 PM on July 11, 2002

Fame can only become famous.
1. ............you idolize it.
2.....they hide from it.
3. any press is good press, yet who said it and why.
4...................................why, because we are back here.
posted by thomcatspike at 1:17 PM on July 11, 2002

I keep writing a comment and then deleting it because it's too snarky and stupid. In sum: mikegre contributes little to MeFi, although I feel he probably has something to add to the community. His behaviour disappointing, frustrating, but above all - boring.

Also, thomcatspike -- that was classic.
posted by Marquis at 1:19 PM on July 11, 2002

I vote execution at dawn.
posted by skallas at 1:45 PM on July 11, 2002

Execution at dawn would be much the same as execution at any other time of day, given the probability of his being awake for the experience.
posted by picopebbles at 1:49 PM on July 11, 2002

I say we melt 50 sticks of butter in a large pot and pull off his arms and legs and eat him. Now that's performance art.

I see nothing wrong with his posts. In fact, I enjoy a sardonic sense of humor.
posted by rotifer at 1:59 PM on July 11, 2002

ahh, pico, that was beautiful
posted by jnthnjng at 2:27 PM on July 11, 2002

Definitely narcolepsy.
posted by donkeyschlong at 2:46 PM on July 11, 2002

I say he hang him! And then we tattoo him!

And THEN we kill him!
posted by Kafkaesque at 2:53 PM on July 11, 2002

goddam it I can't type.
posted by Kafkaesque at 2:54 PM on July 11, 2002

[pipsqueek voice]I say we let him go[/pipsqueek voice]
posted by adampsyche at 2:58 PM on July 11, 2002

Who said that?
posted by Dagobert at 3:30 PM on July 11, 2002

I'm trying to resist the urge to *ya...
posted by timeistight at 4:02 PM on July 11, 2002

As far as I can tell, mikegre has yawned exactly twice.

This could be annoying to people who ride a high horse and who are just smarter than the rest of us, I guess.
posted by swift at 4:06 PM on July 11, 2002

*
posted by MrBaliHai at 4:25 PM on July 11, 2002

Maybe he should try some of this.
posted by nickonomicon at 4:32 PM on July 11, 2002

That guy needs to be given a piss test!
posted by bargle at 4:32 PM on July 11, 2002

Even with the regrettable first selection there, I'd be happy to weigh the comments of mine you highlighted against the comments of mikegre's I highlighted.

Of course I would have done it in e-mail, an option I made available to you but mikegre did not make available to me.
posted by NortonDC at 4:35 PM on July 11, 2002

How totally gutless. He ought to include his home address so you could go over there and beat the shit out of him, given that you're "fucking tired" of his behavior. Alternatively, you could try to continue going about your daily affairs and just get over it.
posted by yerfatma at 5:14 PM on July 11, 2002

A point you've missed: I've did not pass judgement on mikegre. I voiced my own opinion of some of his posts (not his character), in the only appropriate medium he left available.

How that makes me a villain escapes me, but you go ahead and knock your socks off.
posted by NortonDC at 5:23 PM on July 11, 2002

*yawn*

Oh, sorry, just tired, nothing personal. Do continue.
posted by briank at 5:32 PM on July 11, 2002

Sorry, but isn't having an opinion about someone's posts a form of judgement?

Please don't think that I am bashing or defending anybody here (My tagline should be, "The Dwarves Are For The Dwarves") but you say NortonDC:

I'm fucking tired of this from mikegre

which means to me, that you have a problem with the comments and the person who did them.

Which is fine.
posted by Dagobert at 7:20 PM on July 11, 2002

It's one thing to have a problem with someone's actions or behavior and to point that out. I think that's not only appropriate but at times necessary. It's another, and less defensible in a forum like this, to make a judgement on their character (primarily because while we can SEE their actions, we really get only minor insights into their character). From a utilitarian pov, it can be productive to call attention to disruptive behavior, but it is almost NEVER productive to complain about or attack the person doing it on a personal level. It just gets ugly.
posted by rushmc at 8:13 PM on July 11, 2002

Swift: Most of the comments you linked to are mild and/or contain no insults. Are you objecting to NortonDC on general principle?
posted by rcade at 8:36 PM on July 11, 2002

Welcome back to MrBaliHai!

oh, guess you've been back awhile--but just in threads I never visited... Well, nice to see your name again, anyway...
posted by y2karl at 10:27 PM on July 11, 2002

From a utilitarian pov, it can be productive to call attention to disruptive behavior, but it is almost NEVER productive to complain about or attack the person doing it on a personal level. It just gets ugly.

::bows humbly:: teach me more, wise one...

::puts hands together in prayer:: I await your next, more obvious, revelation...
posted by BlueTrain at 10:38 PM on July 11, 2002

Next, more obvious, revelation: BlueTrain is an ass.
posted by rushmc at 11:14 PM on July 11, 2002

How did Zeppelin's Kashmir go? Ah yes...

Oooh, makes me wonder, oooh, makes me wonder!

Can't you try to say "bullshit" and "asshole" a few more times in your posts, Sapphireblue? They make you sound so erudite and clever.... - rushmc

Hypocrisy is not a pretty color, oh sanctimonious one. thanks crunchland!
posted by BlueTrain at 11:20 PM on July 11, 2002

You too are both annoying the living piss out of me.

Stop it, will you?
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 11:23 PM on July 11, 2002

Uh, thanks.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 11:45 PM on July 11, 2002

Oooh, makes me wonder, oooh, makes me wonder!

Doesn't he sing that in Stairway to Heaven?
posted by y2karl at 12:02 AM on July 12, 2002

Damnit y2karl...good call. I can't believe I mixed up my Zeppelin. I bow my head in shame.
posted by BlueTrain at 12:08 AM on July 12, 2002

I mostly quit listening to rock because of the first Zeppelin album--that wretched squeaky voice--and actually checked the lyrics before posting that. I mean, everybody's heard Stairway To Heaven but I thought maybe they used the line twice.

Boy, Blue Train, your credibility just totally evaporated with that one..

posted by y2karl at 12:14 AM on July 12, 2002

Well, if you could consider this a door prize, Plant does sing, "Ooh, yeah-yeah, ooh, yeah-yeah" in Kashmir. He does have an attraction to oooh, yeah, baby, and AAAHHHH!!!. It's no excuse, of course, but second place in a competition between two deserves silver, correct?
posted by BlueTrain at 12:19 AM on July 12, 2002

Ooh, it makes me wonder, Ooh, it makes me wonder.
is the correct quote, by the way.
You misspelled dammit, too.
So how much have you had to drink tonight?
Boy, I'm bookmarking this thread.
posted by y2karl at 12:24 AM on July 12, 2002

You too are both annoying the living piss out of me.

Stop it, will you?
posted by dash_slot- at 12:47 AM on July 12, 2002

Dagobert - isn't having an opinion about someone's posts a form of judgement?

Yes, you are 100% correct that it is a form of judgement. However, it is a judgement of that person's posts, not that person. "NortonDC is an asshole" would be a judgement of a person. I'm announcing my judgement of that set of his posts, not claiming to intimately know his character and to have found it valueless.

>>I'm fucking tired of this from mikegre
>
>which means to me, that you have a problem with the
>comments and the person who did them.

Unless your using "and" in a mathematically strict Venn diagram sort of sense, that's not quite a valid interpretation. A valid interpretation could be that I only have a problem with pissing on threads with yawn comments when it comes from mikegre (not the case), which is still not the same as passing judgement on mikegre's worth as a person.

A goal of mine to limit criticism to the post instead of the poster. I'm still working on it.
posted by NortonDC at 5:43 AM on July 12, 2002

y2karl: thanks, man. You and jonmc are my biggest (only-est) fans. However, the way things are going around here, I may have to take another forced vacation soon lest my pointed little haid explode. This place needs a whopping big mental Mai-Tai to go with that enema I suggested earlier. Better yet, why not combine the two?
posted by MrBaliHai at 7:36 AM on July 12, 2002

A goal of mine to limit criticism to the post instead of the poster. I'm still working on it.

Fair enough. Apparently there's a disagreement here on the sound of the phrase. I've never heard anyone use the phrase "fucking tired of [person x]" as anything but a prelude to a fight.
posted by yerfatma at 7:39 AM on July 12, 2002

Better yet, why not combine the two?

eeyew...

Besides, you'd think everyone already had--only in a bizarro way, like in that South Park episode jonmc mentions there--with the plot element shamelessly stolen from Philip K. Dick's Counter Clock World...
posted by y2karl at 8:30 AM on July 12, 2002

"fucking tired of [person x]"

That's significantly different from what I wrote. A much more representative fragment from what I actually wrote would be "I'm fucking tired of this," and "this" was clarified by links as a collection of posts.
posted by NortonDC at 8:36 AM on July 12, 2002

NortonDC, I think you were within your rights to create a post about your annoyance with mikegre's commenting style. And swift was within his rights to point out his annoyance with your commenting style.

It looks to me that neither of you got that much support form the other comments in this thread, so I guess that you and mikegre will go on as before.

"It's a large world." "James Martinez," NYPD Blue.
posted by timeistight at 10:10 AM on July 12, 2002

y2karl, you'll never let me forget this, will you?
posted by BlueTrain at 11:15 AM on July 12, 2002

ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE ME!
posted by jcterminal at 11:54 AM on July 12, 2002

y2karl, you'll never let me forget this, will you?

In a word: Nuh-Uh!
posted by y2karl at 1:01 PM on July 12, 2002

As far as I can tell, mikegre has yawned exactly twice.

Yeah, but leaping to be first with "yawn" and "zzzzz," respectively, in two Bush-Cheney threads in the last two days hardly qualifies as a worthwhile contribution to discussion. This is obviously someone who wants to dismiss criticisms of Bush and Cheney's past business dealings without bothering to make an actual argument. Nice. NortonDC saw the beginning of a trend and called it out for the lazy garbage it is.


posted by mediareport at 1:42 PM on July 12, 2002

NortonDC saw the beginning of a trend and called it out for the lazy garbage it is.

I would agree, mediareport, but posters are also making such comments as, "Bush is an idiot" and "Bush isn't really the president", etc. It happens in every politically-oriented thread. Those comments are just as lazy, but go overlooked (I suspect that it's because so many people do it and most members covertly agree). If you want to call out laziness, be consistent (that isn't directed toward NortonDC, but to the group in general).
posted by BlueTrain at 1:51 PM on July 12, 2002

Um, Bush isn't really the president. :)

Slight kidding aside, I don't think you can put someone who's come to that conclusion based on the evidence of the Florida felon purge in the same category as someone who has (twice now) rushed to be first to post a snide, content-free dismissal of another member's link.

If you want to call out laziness, be consistent (that isn't directed toward NortonDC, but to the group in general).

But there's not one mind here, BlueTrain; demanding consistency from "the group" seems just a bit optimistic. Individuals are going to call out the lazy idiocies that bother them. Apparently, something like "Bush stole the election" or "Bush isn't really the president" doesn't count as a lazy idiocy in these parts. I'm not sure I see the problem with that.
posted by mediareport at 2:32 PM on July 12, 2002

There's an actual opinion somewhere in "Bush really isn't the president." You may not agree, and you may feel it's tired or irrelevant or cliche or whiny or beside-the-point or just plain wrong, but it's an honest opinion held by a fair number of people.

Whereas a *yawn* conveys no idea, no thought, beyond the desire to belittle or dismiss someone else's post. In addition, it's a little disingenuous, or maybe passive-aggressive: on the face of it, the idea conveyed is boredom, whereas if someone was simply and merely bored by a topic, wouldn't he skip on past it?

So, to my mind, it's rude. Not a cardinal sin, not a bannable offense, not the end of the world, but one more of the small ways in which certain MeFites pee in the pool that the rest of us are trying to continue to enjoy.
posted by Sapphireblue at 2:42 PM on July 12, 2002

I, for one, would like to see a return to a more substantial comment then a *yawn*...(but that's old news, isn't it?)

When one looks at writing, the use of "blue" terminology is frowned upon by thems with initials after their names because, as a prof so wonderfully made me understand, "The term 'fuck' is rather nebulous these days. It can mean so many things and the interpretation the reader must make is, outside of context, completely wide open.

*Yawn* is a form of 'blue' commentary. Too damn lazy on the posters behalf and too damn ambiguous on the readers behalf. If you actually have something valid to add, please state it, if not, STFU.

But then, I repeat myself, as I am wont to do.
posted by Dagobert at 8:46 PM on July 12, 2002