Comments on: Is crackheadmatt matthowie's alias?

Is crackheadmatt matthowie's alias?

djacobs — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:24:27 -0800

Is crackheadmatt matthowie's alias?

By: interrobang

interrobang — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:28:09 -0800

Shut up.

By: Thunderslut

Thunderslut — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:29:20 -0800

Who's matthowie?

You mean mathowie?

That's probably the least likely thing I have heard in the last nineteen days.

By: Frasermoo

Frasermoo — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:33:07 -0800

WTF kind of post is this?

By: interrobang

interrobang — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:36:32 -0800

Y'know, I can think of one other user who called mathowie "matthowie"...

By: dhartung

dhartung — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:48:40 -0800

Doubtful. Among other things, the e-mail in his profile may be found here, and the tech talk doesn't sound at all like haughey's alleyway.

By: ColdChef

ColdChef — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:50:23 -0800

I am crackheadmatt, ya happy now?

By: ColdChef

ColdChef — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:51:20 -0800

I am also MiguelCardoso.

By: mathowie

mathowie — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:55:02 -0800

it's not me, and for what it's worth, I blocked his account from posting.

By: interrobang

interrobang — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:57:41 -0800

Yay!

By: clavdivs

clavdivs — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:00:42 -0800

brews fresh pot of coffee. ah, sanity. and thank goodness that spears thread is gone, though i like how it was addressed to Owillis, shows at least some humour.

By: mkelley

mkelley — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:03:11 -0800

WTF does this have to do with "Uptime"?

By: liam

liam — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:04:12 -0800

ColdChef's been letting his ego, id and superego post as three separate users?

By: yhbc

yhbc — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:08:33 -0800

No, I am ColdChef's superego.

Y'all.

By: ColdChef

ColdChef — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:10:00 -0800

I'm all id, baby.

By: rory

rory — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:12:31 -0800

WTF does this have to do with "Uptime"?

Maybe he meant to post it to "Hammer Time".

By: rocketman

rocketman — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:16:05 -0800

Newbies.

By: Andrea

Andrea — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:22:45 -0800

Just flipping through chm's past comments, I see the most recent have been slightly inflammatory, but what did he do to have posting privileges suspended? Or have the REALLY BAD comments been deleted?

By: Danelope

Danelope — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:29:48 -0800

"ALL AMERICAN CAMEL JOCKEY LYNCHING DAY!" is "slightly inflammatory"?

WHAT.
THE.
FUCK.
ANDREA?

By: mathowie

mathowie — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:42:28 -0800

The guy adds nothing but noise, case closed.

By: zaelic

zaelic — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:46:26 -0800

Somebody has been watching a few too many bad made-for-TV movies about multiple personality crimes, haven't they?

By: i_cola

i_cola — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:40:41 -0800

So who's posting as evanizer..?!

By: adampsyche

adampsyche — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:43:07 -0800

and who is this thunderslut character? hmmm?!?

By: ashbury

ashbury — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:45:33 -0800

But what a great name, thunderslut is. I want to be called thunderslut too.

posted by thunderslut

By: Andrea

Andrea — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:46:04 -0800

Dan, did you read any comments past the first four? Obviously in the past he has made reasonably intelligent posts. I'm wondering why he was suspended so quickly while Neu was allowed to go on for days.

By: Dark Messiah

Dark Messiah — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:57:15 -0800

Thunderslut... Heh.

Reminds me a name we had for someone at work. The initials were T.C., and T stood for 'thunder'. You can probably figure the rest out.

By: madprops

madprops — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:04:51 -0800

Dark Messiah: it's like OPP - the C kinda depends on the gender.

By: ColdChef

ColdChef — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:21:12 -0800

*smiles broadly*

By: kirkaracha

kirkaracha — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:23:56 -0800

The initials were T.C., and T stood for 'thunder'. You can probably figure the rest out.

Cloud, right? Thunder cloud...that's gotta be it.

By: mathowie

mathowie — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:26:02 -0800

___ was allowed to go on for days

If I remember correctly, bad behavior only lasted about 24 hours, this past sunday when I wasn't around to delete quicker.

By: Andrea

Andrea — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:48:56 -0800

I believe it started on Friday or Saturday and continued into Sunday threads. Since they're gone I can't confirm but it isn't a point worth arguing over.

Just comparing the number of comments n*u made to CHM and the amount of time/other contributions and it doesn't make sense to me. Especially considering how many comments n*u made before being warned, and then not being banned until the next time.

The specific comment sited by Danelope was from two and a half weeks ago. I've just seen a lot worse so I was just wondering what he specifically did to cause himself to be immediately suspended.

By: tj

tj — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:50:13 -0800

"___ was allowed to go on for days"

is that like: "Do not invoke the name, lest ye invoke the presence?"

By: whatnot

whatnot — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:52:52 -0800

hmm ... Thunder Clavicle, Thunder Capillaries, Thunder Cuspid, Thunder C ...

oh, my.

By: machaus

machaus — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:01:41 -0800

Thunder Delores?

By: hyperizer

hyperizer — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:06:01 -0800

Andrea, check the MetaTalk thread on CHM. The post he made in the thread on suicide was really offensive.

By: mathowie

mathowie — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:08:39 -0800

I was just wondering what he specifically did to cause himself to be immediately suspended.

He got two threads started in metatalk about him, which kind of helps, and upon review, he posts nothing but noise that borders on troll. If I noticed it two weeks ago, something might have happened sooner, and it probably would not have been an instant ban, but an email instead. I probably should have just done that in this case, but this week alone I've had two email conversations with people unapologetic about their disruptive actions here (which involve a couple hours of my time to compose messages and send reply after reply debating someone) and didn't feel like going down that path again with someone else today (I've got work to do). Since there were not one, but two threads about the guy, I figured the quick and sloppy way out is to prevent him from making future posts. Again, I'm not a machine and can't read everything on this site, so enforcement is sometimes sloppy as it relies on human components.

I seem to remember outbursts of the other person who won't be named starting on saturday, and extending through sunday, during which I spent most of the weekend offline, as I am prone to do on weekends.

Is that clear enough? I don't see where the problem is really. At the heart of things, I'm human and make mistakes I admit to willingly, and when I dole out judgements and justice, they're not always perfect or along clean cut lines.

By: matteo

matteo — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:14:23 -0800

I'm also NOT crackheadmatt

By: internook

internook — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:21:23 -0800

democratize.

By: mathowie

mathowie — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:26:52 -0800

democratize

please explain.

By: konolia

konolia — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:31:05 -0800

Matt shouldn't have to be defensive about why he does what he does. If he wants to set up a "community watch" to alert him for problems, perhaps that would help, but
we don't pay him to run this site or police it, so I for one am willing to let him do things when he is able to get around to it.

By: moz

moz — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:39:15 -0800

matt:

internook wants you to make it so that he and everyone can ban people here via democratic vote. of course, the system would not work (how about people who have more than one account? or people who sign up multiple accounts to have a greater say? how about all the work that must go into creating such a voting system?)

By: Danelope

Danelope — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:40:46 -0800

internook: democratize
mathowie: please explain.

Simple. Everyone on MetaFilter abandons their jobs and homes and moves to a remote location in the wilderness of ____, where we proceed to attempt to "survive" while "big brother" carries out 24-hour surveillance. At the end of each week, everyone gathers around the fire/TV for a MetaTalk, where each of us casts a secret ballot as to which member should have their account suspended.

By: ColdChef

ColdChef — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:42:32 -0800

Miguel, the tribe has spoken.

By: timeistight

timeistight — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:47:59 -0800

democratize.

internook, since you've been here almost two years longer than I, I'm sure you know that Matt has never once signaled any intention of turning any part of the administration of this site over to a committee or electorate of any kind.

Maybe you should form non-profit with some other like-minded democrats and raise enough money to pay Matt to develop a site for you. I believe the domain www.democraticfilter.org is available.

By: timeistight

timeistight — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:49:06 -0800

a non-profit, that is.

By: konolia

konolia — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:52:28 -0800

An old saw comes to mind....

Any jackass can kick a barn down...to build one takes a carpenter.

disclaimer: I am not calling anyone here a jackass.

By: machaus

machaus — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:52:50 -0800

martinize

By: briank

briank — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:54:06 -0800

We are the Knights Who Say Neu:

Neu! Neu! Neu!

By: matteo

matteo — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:58:59 -0800

www.MetaBigBrotherFilter.com

(the tv show, foldy, not the book, relax)

By: Galvatron

Galvatron — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:00:46 -0800

machaus: Thunder Delores?

Doesn't fit. Must be "Thunder Celeste."

By: timeistight

timeistight — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:08:18 -0800

martinize

martini-ize

By: Andrea

Andrea — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:13:20 -0800

Matt, I am not trying to put you on the defensive although it seems that I make a habit of it. I'm just saying that it seemed odd considering that he only made a couple of comments of that nature and has been a member for over a year. Obviously the suicide comment rubbed people the wrong way, but I would hardly describe him as a troll. He made one comment that brought his discussion to MeTa (notice that he has never posted here, did he know he was brought?) and ended up being suspended as a result. The MeTa was about one post with no follow-ups, by a user who does not have an entirely black history.

Fine. You're human, you can't check every comment and every thread and do everything. I don't think anyone has ever suggested you should. Mefi is work. You don't get paid for it. Sometimes you aren't here to monitor threads. Sometimes you have a bad day. I asked why exactly he was suspended, I didn't demand you reinstate him. Ultimately it is your decision. It's just that everyone seemed so happy he was gone and I don't understand why. So far no one has actually been able to come up with anything besides those two comments. Sorry. I still don't get it.

By: internook

internook — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:19:38 -0800

Tough crowd. There are more people who are MeFites than live in my entire county!

Anyway, I won't take any of the comments toward me as negative, because I am only trying to help. I don't see how it could hurt to take what amounts to a decentralized city of people, and empower them. Every city has a mayor, and Matt would still fill that role.

I know that Matt has never once signaled any intention of turning any part of the administration of this site over to a committee or electorate of any kind, but Matt is a reasonable person and he has an open mind.

Just trying to help, brothers and sisters.

By: me3dia

me3dia — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:26:21 -0800

Democratize
Martinize
Martini-ize

This is in danger of becoming an INXS song.

By: thomcatspike

thomcatspike — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:26:52 -0800

Andrea, I will say Matt has shown me he is fair. You may not see the other side nor does he have to with us. He is also discrete. He does things fairly by personally following up with an e-mail to the member in question. Then allows them to explain, he has for me. Matt want a ride on my tri-cycle?
Ps, I place a T.S. decal on my tri-cycle.

By: websavvy

websavvy — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:28:03 -0800

Internook, if you are going to make suggestions as to how to improve the function of this community, you might want to expend the effort to go from one-word commands "democratize" to something a bit meatier. I realize you were just trying to help, but until I saw your later post, I just thought you were being really bossy.

By: SpecialK

SpecialK — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:29:26 -0800

internook - I suggested it a while back, because I'm a member of another site (URL not posted, because most members there are also members there, and we like it small even if we do welcome most of the people that wander through the door... the group reminds me of Mike's Place from the Callahan's series by Spider Robinson) that is very well mdoerated, mostly because a good third of the top posters are also moderators. That doesn't seem to work in a huge community, though (ex: /. ). Matt decided to take it all on himself because he foisted MeFi on the world, and I respect his decision -- the community hasn't self-imploded in three years, so he must have a fairly good thing going on.

By: signal

signal — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:42:37 -0800

If you want a democracy, try Kuro5hin. This is an illustrated monarchy.

By: The God Complex

The God Complex — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:48:27 -0800

(notice that he has never posted here, did he know he was brought?)

Is that a strike for or against? I vote against.

By: SpecialK

SpecialK — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:51:19 -0800

This is an illustrated monarchy.

MeFi bulliten: "The King" shall no longer refer to Elvis.

By: gleuschk

gleuschk — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:54:09 -0800

I'd like to add here that internook's user page rocks my socks. I wanna know how to do that.

By: mathowie

mathowie — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:58:27 -0800

that is kind of cool, he iframed his blog, it appears.

I have considered and actually done some work to democratize the site, but can't trust more than 3-4 people with the task, and when it came time to discussing what to do when person 3 does something 1 and 2 disagree with, solutions could not be arrived at, so I never ended up doing it.

By: ColdChef

ColdChef — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:05:23 -0800

I'm person 4. Someone better die or be fired soon.

By: ginz

ginz — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:34:09 -0800

heehee

I'd love to see a metafilter day moderated by CC.

By: mcwetboy

mcwetboy — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:43:52 -0800

There are more people who are MeFites than live in my entire county!

internook, where the hell do you live? Even Monaco has more people than Metafilter. No, lemme guess. San Marino? Liechtenstein? Niue? Pitcairn Island?

By: ginz

ginz — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:50:46 -0800

ahh, (s)he said county, without the r.

By: mcwetboy

mcwetboy — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:55:47 -0800

(holds hand over one eye)

(looks again)

So s/he did.

Damn.

By: mcwetboy

mcwetboy — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:59:29 -0800

that is kind of cool, he iframed his blog, it appears.

It comes in pints?
I'm getting one.</pippin>

(everybody runs to insert their blogs into their userpages)

By: fold_and_mutilate

fold_and_mutilate — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:01:33 -0800

www.MetaBigBrotherFilter.com
(the tv show, foldy, not the book, relax)

Well jeepers, how about www.MetaTraitor.com, which is apparently what some of you think of the site?

Or hell, in your honor, we could register it as www.MetaChickenJabberAboutPostersBehindTheirBackInMetaTalk.com

Catchy, ain't it?

~chuckle~

By: Pancake Overlord

Pancake Overlord — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:40:06 -0800

~puke~

By: taz

taz — Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:29:35 -0800

Andrea: So far no one has actually been able to come up with anything besides those two comments. Sorry. I still don't get it.

Andrea, he played exactly the same (cull/herd) card in a post about a rape case, and he was referring to the victim. He has posted a suggestion to "kill the 'tards", as well as a suggestion to use convicts for medical experiments. He likes to drop comments about "porn" into completely unrelated threads (streaming radio, tax rebates). When criticized for his spelling and grammar he has claimed to be physically disabled and unable to use a keyboard. He has also claimed to be a former high school teacher, a Military Intelligence veteran, and a sufferer from attention deficit syndrome (which may be the case). He has posted "send them injuns mo goverment cheese" in a response to a post on Native American reparation... (more of same...)

By: zaelic

zaelic — Sat, 28 Sep 2002 03:14:33 -0800

I like Mefi precisely BECAUSE it is a controlled discussion. The kind of comments taz refers to are exactly the kind of noise I want to avoid, whether I agree with somebody's argument or not. There is too much disruptive grey noise. I had been reading daily for a year before I joined, and Matt's sense of control is a big part of Metafilter's appeal. Also, I accept that I do not live in an entirely democratic society, so phhhhhht!

By: andrew cooke

andrew cooke — Sat, 28 Sep 2002 05:07:54 -0800

maybe i'm misreading things, but my impression is that andrea is less concerned about that particular poster than by the level of consistency and transparency here. certainly that's what bugs me from time to time - i would prefer it if the site included public explanations and archives. so, for example:

- if an account was deleted the user page would include a short explanation of why
- if a meta thread is deleted, it remains readable (as in mefilofi)
- if a mefi or meta thread is deleted, a short explanation of why is added to the thread

these explanations, in most cases, might be nothing more than a link to an appropriate section of a faq on behaviour, etc.

these are only suggestions. i appreciate all the work matt does here and think mefi an excellent site.

By: andrew cooke

andrew cooke — Sat, 28 Sep 2002 05:09:14 -0800

sorry, forgot to add that i believe such an approach would help educate new users, too.

these are only suggestions. i appreciate all the work matt does here and think mefi an excellent site.

By: matteo

matteo — Sat, 28 Sep 2002 09:22:58 -0800

Catchy, ain't it?

Not much, no.

foldy, it's amazing how you keep coming back to a community where half the people think you're a coward and the other half considers you an asshole.
Trolls actually dig that kind of situation, being hated, ok: but still, for a man who considers himself somehow intelligent, it's a peculiar attitude.

(I'd e-mail you privately, you know, but you just don't have the guts to actually provide us an e-mail address where we could send you all those nice "Fuck You Very Much" messages)

By: mr_crash_davis

mr_crash_davis — Sat, 28 Sep 2002 09:44:04 -0800

Uh-oh. F&M's been called out on the anonymity thing again.

matteo, he's posted more contact information on Metafilter than I'd ever dare to. It's still there if you're willing to look for it.

By: mr_crash_davis

mr_crash_davis — Sat, 28 Sep 2002 09:45:37 -0800

That should have been "on MetaTalk", not "on Metafilter", just to narrow down your search if you're really interested.

By: liam

liam — Sat, 28 Sep 2002 10:31:17 -0800

foldy, it's amazing how you keep coming back to a community where half the people think you're a coward and the other half considers you an asshole.

And then there's those of us, not in MatteoFilter, who value f&m's link contributions, even if his/her posting style can be self-defeating.

By: biscotti

biscotti — Sat, 28 Sep 2002 11:15:08 -0800

...it's amazing how you keep coming back to a community where half the people think you're a coward and the other half considers you an asshole.

Cliques are so high school. I can't stand that sort of exclusionary ganging-up crap. Please don't include me in either of your imaginary community halves. I don't often agree with f&m and I often find his/her posting style irritating but neither of those means I find him/her cowardly or an asshole, nor does it mean I'd like him/her to go away.

On preview: what liam said.

By: matteo

matteo — Sat, 28 Sep 2002 12:47:25 -0800

nor does it mean I'd like him/her to go away.

Neither do I, read my post man, I've NEVER said that. I've actually wasted time defending foldy's often questioned right to be here.
and I did it for the principle, when you guys weren't apparently around to do the same

there's those of us who value f&m's link contributions

did I say anything about his links? did I?
( I find them uninteresting and preaching to those who are already faithful to his pacifist, Vegan, PETA-loving ideas, but it's not the point )
I could give a fuck about his links. I do mind the trolling, and the contempt for the community. many many users feel the same.

his latest thing is, he keeps gleefully quoting Orwell to right-wing guys who of course get mad about it.
then, they call him a coward and an appeaser -- not my opinion btw -- because he likes to call them fascists in the first place with his "Orwellian" shit

and foldy I'm not talkin about you "behind your back", don't whine. you check out MetaTalk or search for your name -- in fact you got back to my comment pretty quick for a guy who doesn't seem to care about other people's opinions. like all good trolls, you get a hardon when people here mention you and your tactics

and crash, I could give a fuck about calling him -- if that is actyually his number. his unwillingness to give an e-mail is the measure of his contempt for all users here -- he said that, it's not me

By: biscotti

biscotti — Sat, 28 Sep 2002 15:37:49 -0800

I do mind the trolling, and the contempt for the community. many many users feel the same.

This isn't the same as what you said originally, which was to imply that there is some kind of MetaConsensus (asshole vs. coward) about f&m, when there really isn't. I suspect most people who find his/her comments disagreeable just skip over them, or smile and shake their heads about them and move on. I understand that f&m annoys you, so perhaps you should just ignore whatever s/he has to say? You're certainly not going to change his/her mind, and s/he's clearly not enough of a true troll to get banned (yet).

And I swear I don't understand what the big deal is about people having emails listed on their user pages. I'm pretty sure that there's nothing you could say to f&m via email that you couldn't say here (aside from personal spamming or flaming), and I very much doubt it would make any more difference in private than it does in public.

By: dash_slot-

dash_slot- — Sat, 28 Sep 2002 17:34:59 -0800

I *heart* f_&_m

By: Wulfgar!

Wulfgar! — Sat, 28 Sep 2002 18:20:35 -0800

matteo, 'just want to thank you, as so many seem ever so eager to do for f_and_m, because I really believe you've said what I have better than I ever did. I believe that there is something pernicious about foldy's disdain for MetaFolk. He frequently paints us all in the worst possible light (even when we're agreeing with him) just to get a rise and a reaction. I, for one, am glad he's not going to get banned. Though I think he does little justice to the agendas he promotes, he may someday have the affect of enlightening those on the left who wake up to his tactics and say, "you know, foldy, it may not be that simple".

By: stavrosthewonderchicken

stavrosthewonderchicken — Sat, 28 Sep 2002 18:45:34 -0800

I do mind the trolling, and the contempt for the community. many many users feel the same.

There is so little of this in evidence in recent months from f&m, and so much of it from so many other people around here, that I am just plain gobsmacked that you (or anyone else can) have this rabid mad-on against this one user. There's a lot of misdirected, free-floating anger around here these days.

I *heart* f_&_m

Me too, in a way, and matteo as well, although my estimation of matteo has dropped a couple of notches today. Not that he should care, of course.

By: evanizer

evanizer — Sat, 28 Sep 2002 19:15:29 -0800

I *heart* f_&_m

Geez, I'm sorry I ever told you how to get in here, dash.

By: dash_slot-

dash_slot- — Sat, 28 Sep 2002 19:54:56 -0800

*disdainful glance in evanizer's general direction*

"Too late now, mate."

~wink~

By: dash_slot-

dash_slot- — Sat, 28 Sep 2002 19:55:02 -0800

Look, Evan, please lighten up. I'm really, really grateful to you. I am not indebted to anyone, though (& I know you didn't say that I should be), so I speak with my own voice, and that - like yours, and others too - will be by turns wilful, contrary, emotional, humble, honest and independent. Amongst other things.

I've earned the odd stripe here, nothing to write home about, never put anyone's nose seriously out (as far as I know), but I appreciate a dissenting opinion (like f_&_m's) for it's ability to make me do a check on my own beliefs. I strip out the bits I don't like, and very rarely find the Foldster to be deliberately trolling. I would call him on if I thought necessary - but no more than any other MeFite.

Pluralism. It built the West.

Singularity. It wilt the best.

By: anapestic

anapestic — Sat, 28 Sep 2002 20:25:47 -0800

He is also discrete.

No man is an island. Or perhaps each of us is. In any case, discreteness is probably nothing to brag about. If you're complimenting his discretion, you might want to call him "discreet." That would be the right word.

By: dg

dg — Sun, 29 Sep 2002 19:06:14 -0800

I *heart* f_&_m

I *heart* anyone who has the cojones to say what they feel, without regard to what others may think or say in return. That fits fold_&_mutilate to a tee so I guess I do too.

By: evanizer

evanizer — Sun, 29 Sep 2002 19:54:51 -0800

I *heart* anyone who has the cojones to say what they feel, without regard to what others may think or say in return.

What a great way to conduct oneself in a community! Disruptive? Inciting anger and nastiness? Not listening to or considering the commentary of others? Great! As long as people are saying what they feel, who cares about the consequences to other members of the community?

Ick. Sorry to be snarky, but that sort of behaviour is exactly what we don't need more of.

If I may amend that statement:

I *heart* anyone who has the cojones to say what they feel, with some regard to what others may think or say in return, and how it will affect the site and other's enjoyment and use of the site. Remember, this isn't any one person's personal soapbox. We're all in this together.

By: dg

dg — Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:24:38 -0800

Wasn't meaning to offend, evanizer and you are right that we probably do not need much of that type of behaviour in this (or any) community. I still have some admiration for those who are prepared to take whatever is handed out in return for letting fly with their uncensored viewpoint, however. Don't tell me that you never want to just yell out that someone is a complete and utter fuckwit and should stick their head up their own ass and blow themselves up, but don't do so because you do not wish to bring down the wrath of the community on your head. I have.

I am also not saying that it is OK to deliberately say things to hurt others but, if someone genuinely feels a particular way about an issue, they should be able to speak out without fear of reprisal, providing what they say is about the issue and not about the person on the other side of the debate. Just because I disagree (maybe violently) with their point of view doesn't mean I would deny them the chance to have their say and, of course, take the consequences of their words.

I'm sorry, but your amended statement is just too PC for me. Of course, I'm very tired and it may look better tomorrow :-)

By: dg

dg — Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:28:21 -0800

I guess I am just asking for a comment like "you are a complete and utter fuckwit and should stick your head up your own ass and blow yourself up"

By: ColdChef

ColdChef — Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:04:06 -0800

(BTW, I always read "We're all in this together" as "We're all in this to get her." I blame Mr. Neilsen, my fourth grade English teacher for teaching me that little device.

By: dg

dg — Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:36:23 -0800

ColdChef - now I do too. Thanks for that.