Comments on: The code for Freefilter, an open source clone of Metafilter is now available

The code for Freefilter, an open source clone of Metafilter is now available

feelinglistless — Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:33:21 -0800

The code for Freefilter, an open source clone of Metafilter is now available. Mefi's structure as a posting and discussion board is unlike most other's available. It's fluid and user friendly and it was only a matter of time before someone coded their own version especially considering the success of Whedonesque and Sportsfilter. This isn't the first time an attempt has been made of course. This version isn't 'out of the box' yet though -- as the readme.txt says, you'll need:"A Web server, preferably Loonix, MySQL, an, er, recentish version, Perl, DBI and CGI modules for Perl, these should come as standard with most Perl installations, a sense of humor to read my source code..."

By: mathowie

mathowie — Fri, 14 Feb 2003 17:15:32 -0800

There's also holloway's phpilfer and one of the original mefi clones, verbament.

I'm considering GPLing the mefi code when the site turns four, this July (another leading idea is to close the site, sell it, or throw an essay contest to give it away).

By: Stan Chin

Stan Chin — Fri, 14 Feb 2003 17:23:47 -0800

Essay contest? Is this one of those $500 entry fee things? Or the 3rd Grade Scholastic Books "Why I am Proud to be an American!" kind of essay contest?

By: dash_slot-

dash_slot- — Fri, 14 Feb 2003 17:26:35 -0800

another leading idea is to close the site, sell it, or throw an essay contest to give it away...

cue beating of breasts, gnashing of teeth, flailing of arms...

By: mathowie

mathowie — Fri, 14 Feb 2003 17:30:08 -0800

I didn't mean to say it aloud. But think about it: four years, on the internet. More than 10% of my life spent on this website. Someday, I'll have to move on.

So feelinglistless, why did you go for perl instead of php?

By: timeistight

timeistight — Fri, 14 Feb 2003 17:42:28 -0800

'cause he didn't want anyone to understand the code :)

By: WolfDaddy

WolfDaddy — Fri, 14 Feb 2003 17:43:34 -0800

four years, on the internet. More than 10% of my life spent on this website.

Whippersnapper.

By: Gary

Gary — Fri, 14 Feb 2003 17:52:56 -0800

So we can actually have an IraqFilter, NewsFilter, PancakeFilter and NaderNaderNaderFilter? That's going to leave the main page pretty bare.

By: feelinglistless

feelinglistless — Fri, 14 Feb 2003 17:56:38 -0800

I think there may be some wires crossed here ... Freefilter isn't *my* project. The only Perl I know the the kind you find in oysters. I've barely got some html (I mean does my weblog look like it was put together by someone who knows what they're doing?).

It's actually the work of this man, although I've heard a rumour wackybrit may also be involved. I found it via LMG, who found it in a thread at /. I was just blown away by how close it was to the Mefi we know and love, and was wondering if it was actually a good thing. I'm in the yay camp -- I've always found the google usenet groups and /. very difficult to follow and use which is probably why I've hung around here, so anything which makes it simpler for others to set things up for themselves ... I've always been a supporter of the idea of subject and geographically specific versions ...

From the author's site:

"FreeFilter is now open for public viewing. I've used a guady green color scheme so I don't get sued by Matt for totally ripping off his look and feel (*smile*).. anyway.. go and enjoy FreeFilter. I'd REALLY appreciate it if you post comments (you can post comments anonymously or with a username), join up, perhaps post something."

What is the difference between PHP and Perl? If Mefi is PHP, then I suspect the author used Perl so that it didn't infringe any possible coding copyrights ...

By: feelinglistless

feelinglistless — Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:02:47 -0800

Although deeply flattered that you thought I had the wherewithall to *do* something like *this*.

By: Gary

Gary — Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:03:21 -0800

The initial version was coded in 14 hours, so it was probably more to do with experience than weighing the pros and cons of different programming languages.

By: IshmaelGraves

IshmaelGraves — Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:15:13 -0800

MeFi is not done in PHP, it's done in ColdFusion (somebody bitch at me if this is incorrect).

By: mathowie

mathowie — Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:22:00 -0800

oh weird. I thought wackybrit was the guy that programmed it. It's someone else entirely?

I don't mind the total clone job, though it's nice when people use their imagination to build on top of what I do, instead of merely cloning it (like how wheadonesque is great looking and works better in some ways (with MORE and SPOILER features))

By: thirteen

thirteen — Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:31:28 -0800

So we can actually have an IraqFilter, NewsFilter, PancakeFilter and NaderNaderNaderFilter? That's going to leave the main page pretty bare.

I am counting 32 posts on the front page. It could stand a little austerity. Perhaps Matt might not be considering losing the site if it were not such a heavy thing.

By: munger

munger — Fri, 14 Feb 2003 19:15:50 -0800

Another MeFi clone written in Perl is being used for small community sites at ToledoArts.com and ToledoTalk.com. Both have just started within the past month and are in test mode among friends. When a front page post is more than one paragraph, only the first paragraph is shown on the front page, and the More link is displayed. This allows for lengthy posts without cluttering up the front page. When logged in and viewing the page with the post and comments, the user can save the topic to their favorites within the system. There may be a couple of other minor additions, but it's a shameless rip-off of the look and feel of MetaFilter, which works for me.

By: mathowie

mathowie — Fri, 14 Feb 2003 19:33:28 -0800

munger, what's the "narrow view" feature for?

Cool to hear about the additional features, those are both things I've always wanted to do (auto-mores and custom bookmarks).

By: munger

munger — Fri, 14 Feb 2003 20:44:45 -0800

For some, it might be easier and faster to read a lot of text on a page if it's in a narrow width column and not stretched out across the screen, but it shouldn't be the default view. Only the topic and comments are squished if narrow view selected.

By: quonsar

quonsar — Fri, 14 Feb 2003 20:47:37 -0800

q wants to 0wnz0r m3tafilte4

By: timeistight

timeistight — Sat, 15 Feb 2003 00:41:03 -0800

Queue up, quonsar.

By: feelinglistless

feelinglistless — Sat, 15 Feb 2003 01:32:50 -0800

It is Wackybrit! I just checked his user page ... "I'm working on a MeFi-like system called 'FreeFilter', primarily because 'open source' is the goal. It's working really well. Check the URL above."

By: feelinglistless

feelinglistless — Sat, 15 Feb 2003 01:33:50 -0800

... unless you thought I was wackybrit ... which is sort of funny ...

By: holloway

holloway — Sat, 15 Feb 2003 05:57:52 -0800

Recipe For a Site, by holloway

Mix equal parts interface with people, add cat scans to flavour. Leave to raise and sprinkle with admin juice.

Mmm... admin juice.

By: Hildago

Hildago — Sat, 15 Feb 2003 09:42:38 -0800

Why I want to own MetaFilter, by Hildago:

If I owned MetaFilter no one would laugh at me anymore. If they did, I would delete their accounts. Everyone would like me and my laughter would ring throughout the mountains. We would have a party and I would promise to go, but then I wouldn't go, and everyone would say "why isn't Hildago here? He is awesome." And my allergies would go away.

By: Steve_at_Linnwood

Steve_at_Linnwood — Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:01:19 -0800

I propose that fold_and_mutilate and myself get joint control of MetaFilter... just to keep things in balance.

By: Wulfgar!

Wulfgar! — Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:12:13 -0800

Thanks, Steve_at. If no one minds, I'm gonna go get drunk now.

By: oissubke

oissubke — Sat, 15 Feb 2003 21:31:34 -0800

I was two seconds away from having NewsFilter online, and my web host takes a dump. Yeesh.

By: abez

abez — Sun, 16 Feb 2003 00:56:07 -0800

You guys ask why would someone do it in perl?

I didn't make it but the reason I use Perl over PHP is I find that it's easier to layer your application and integrate you application with other applications in perl. As well you have a reasonable database interface instead of DB specific functions.

I use perl because I have to maintain web apps and perl is much better for these sorts of things than PHP.

Basically you have database independence, smart templating and/or XML/XSLT translation, massive library choice and finally a stable language which you can extend as a user without the sysadmin. Also you can easily program genericity in perl with it's flexible OOP features.

Readability is a problem but that's what coding standards are for, configure the development to something a team or you agree on.

By: holloway

holloway — Sun, 16 Feb 2003 02:33:36 -0800

PHP makes it easy to blend code and templates, but then if you're writing up a single webform and jumping between then it won't matter, and when it does there are templating engines.

I chose PHP over Perl because PHP is easier to install on Windows, and there are many more PHP hosts available. It's more likely that someone will be able to run Phpilfer than Perlpilfer.

As of last year PHP has few remaining technical problems, and what does remain will be solved with PHP 5 (in a few months). More to the point, the remaining flaws don't affect most web software.

PHP is fast and smart, provides database abstraction, and is genuinely cross-platform.

By: wackybrit

wackybrit — Sun, 16 Feb 2003 12:17:36 -0800

Holy crap, I search my referrers and I find a whole discussion about my program, lol.

Well, thanks, and new version out in a few weeks.

I started FreeFilter and was immediately swamped with lots of real life work (hmm.. what a coincidence.. it's as if God hates open source) so I got bogged down.. but things are clearing now, and all the problems will go away in the next version.

Thanks for your patience.

By: macrone

macrone — Sun, 16 Feb 2003 13:43:04 -0800

wackybrit: Thanks for releasing the code into the wild. It's always interesting to see how someone else codes up an application like this; it stimulates new ideas and makes me consider new approaches.

One thing to watch out for: Some of the code still makes references to ".fi" files, which have been renamed ".cgi" in the release. Anyone who implements your code will need to go through and fix these up.

Otherwise, so far, so good.

By: wackybrit

wackybrit — Sun, 16 Feb 2003 14:22:33 -0800

macrone: Just released a version 0.11 to address those problems, thanks! I'd never touched MySQL from Perl before, so this was really an experiment to see how it worked.. hence, the slightly odd way of doing things. I've come fully up to speed in the last month though, and 0.2 will be totally rewritten and streamlined in the SQL department.

holloway said: and there are many more PHP hosts available.

This appears true on the surface, but in reality I think almost every ISP supports Perl in some way or another, even if it's not proclaimed as loudly as PHP. That said, not every ISP that supports Perl also supports MySQL.. whereas you're confident that a PHP host will nearly always have MySQL installed.

I've been coding in Perl for 6 years, so that's my explaination though. It's just a language I know, and love, deeply (although judging by the scrappy source code in this release, you'd be hard pushed to tell).

I'm going to document progress on version 0.2 as it goes, including the SQL table buildup, etc, so you can simply post comments on the thread and give me building suggestions as I go. It begins over at FreeFilter on Wednesday.

By: dg

dg — Sun, 16 Feb 2003 17:50:04 -0800

Waaaay cool. I have been toying with setting up a forum for a sporting association, but have not had the knowledge to make something myself or the money to pay for it. This looks like a perfect solution. Fantastic!

By: PrinceValium

PrinceValium — Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:19:36 -0800

So I was surfing metafilter, on my PC, and it was like "bleep bleep bleep bleep" and I was like, errrrrgh?

i lost my metafilter. it was a really good metafilter.