Comments on: Single-link op-ed front page post? GYOWFW!

Single-link op-ed front page post? GYOWFW!

hama7 — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:08:58 -0800

Single-link op-ed front page post? GYOWFW!

By: liam

liam — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:16:47 -0800

Persian Art Music

By: PinkStainlessTail

PinkStainlessTail — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:17:52 -0800

Buh? Are you calling yourself out or did the posters in your thread somehow fall into a "clever trap"?

By: XQUZYPHYR

XQUZYPHYR — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:22:03 -0800

Is this thread, like, supposed to be the last five minutes of Fat Albert when they explain to us the valuable lesson of the episode or something?

I don't get it.

By: liam

liam — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:23:17 -0800

Get Your Own Witty French Woman?

By: quonsar

quonsar — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:23:21 -0800

dunbar chiappin

By: amberglow

amberglow — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:23:40 -0800

it is a single-link op-ed column by a well-known rightwing columnist--Lowry's on the Ann Coulter level, i'd say.

(and Seth's sad attempt at attacking me in the thread failed again--poor baby. Someone teach him what an op-ed column is.)

By: liam

liam — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:26:22 -0800

Gays You Obviously Would Fuck Wholeheartedly?

By: Jimbob

Jimbob — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:28:11 -0800

Tolerance of hama7 summarily revoked.

By: mcsweetie

mcsweetie — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:35:32 -0800

holy shit! it's all so clear now!

By: amberglow

amberglow — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:41:56 -0800

ah, first Seth, and now biffa too! how fun!

By: Seth

Seth — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:48:23 -0800

amberglow,
Let's get this straight.
Your single source threads in order to grind your axe are ok because you say the authors are acceptable. But hama7's singe source thread in order to grind his axe is not ok, because you have deemed the author persona non grata. Is that right?

Look, hama7's link is shit for the exact reason that people are criticizing it. But, then again, so are the majority of yours. So either you are a careless hypocrit, or your partisan shilling has so blinded you to objectivity that you cannot see the obvious. Plenty of people can and should criticize the FPP, but for you to do it is pathetic.

By: Ufez Jones

Ufez Jones — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:48:58 -0800

Get Your Oriental Wacky Fetish Weturned?
/bugs bunny

By: PrinceValium

PrinceValium — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:53:00 -0800

Everytime you bitch at each other in a political thread, baby jesus votes for Nader.

By: angry modem

angry modem — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:56:19 -0800

I like hama7. I dislike seth. The jury's out on XQUZYPHYR.

By: quonsar

quonsar — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:57:55 -0800

angrymodem, i'd comment if i wasn't so miserable and broken spirited.

By: chaz

chaz — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:00:25 -0800

Seth, as I posted in the main thread, virtually all of Amberglow's posts were from news sources such as AP, or other news sources. Few if any were opinion columns. Yes, the reaction can be the same, but for someone so concerned with accuracy you seem to be missing the difference between op/ed and news posts. The main difference, in my opinion, is that an op/ed link means the disccusion is about the author in question and his ideas, where a news post about a particular issue means the discussion should, in theory, be about the event, and not the author of the story or any particular slant he or her may have.

By: elwoodwiles

elwoodwiles — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:01:12 -0800

I love you people, I really do, but the fucking soap-opera needs to stop.
There, I said something

By: WolfDaddy

WolfDaddy — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:01:46 -0800

Gays You Obviously Would Fuck Wholeheartedly?

Did thombody thay my name?

By: greasepig

greasepig — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:05:33 -0800

The soap-opera is what keeps me coming back here. seriously.

By: Seth

Seth — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:07:31 -0800

Chaz, I am not confused. Every one of the posts I listed from amberglow is shit. Hama7's post is shit. amberglow is therefore being highly hypocritcal for criticizing hama7's post.

But why are the posts shit? Because they are technically op/eds? No. Why the posts are shit is because they present a loaded, biased agenda with no balance and no attempt to present a valid issue to discuss. Since the posts begin as such slanted claptrap, no good discussion can emanate. All that can happen is just either partisan ass-patting or "You are wrong/evil/stupid, we are right/enlightened."

Furthermore, all of the posts violate the basic premise of what a post should be: something new and interesting, that isn't found at major resources.

So they are shit. Defend amber if you feel like, but if you are trying to justify his garbage in order to seperate it from hama7's garbage, you are litterally splitting hairs on the back of a fly munching on feces.

By: amberglow

amberglow — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:10:30 -0800

Your single source threads in order to grind your axe are ok because you say the authors are acceptable. But hama7's singe source thread in order to grind his axe is not ok, because you have deemed the author persona non grata. Is that right?
Look, hama7's link is shit for the exact reason that people are criticizing it. But, then again, so are the majority of yours. So either you are a careless hypocrit, or your partisan shilling has so blinded you to objectivity that you cannot see the obvious. Plenty of people can and should criticize the FPP, but for you to do it is pathetic.

I don't grind axes...I post interesting things i find on the web. Interesting ideas too, like that Allen Plan post you liked so much--I liked it too. I didn't just go to my favorite liberal or leftwing magazine and post the editor's latest column like hama just did.

If you agree that plenty of people can and should criticize the FPP, then why attack me? I didn't start this post--hama did. I didn't make that FPP--hama did. Furthermore, hama calling himself out here shows that he knew it was unacceptable, and is thus a troll, much like you. If you want a date, you only have to ask, darling. Whatever your obsession is with me, don't post it in the blue unless it belongs there. I doubt a list of my links belonged in that FPP, no matter what the form and topic of it was.

hama's post belongs in a category called op-edfilter, i believe. You can look up past comments by Matt and many others on op-eds as a post by themselves.

And on preview: if you're so into shit, and concerned with it, our date's off.

By: Space Coyote

Space Coyote — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:11:11 -0800

Chaz, I am not confused. Every one of the posts I listed from amberglow is shit. Hama7's post is shit. amberglow is therefore being highly hypocritcal for criticizing hama7's post.

Amberglow was criticizing haha7 for posting an op ed. The posts you linked to by amberglow were news stories, not op eds. While both aren't considered good posts, it's generally accepted that one is worse than the other. Your opinion doesn't make what Amberglow says hypocritical.

By: Quartermass

Quartermass — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:15:30 -0800

I love you people, I really do, but the fucking soap-opera needs to stop.

I second that.

By: stavrosthewonderchicken

stavrosthewonderchicken — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:16:22 -0800

I'd just like to pop in and complain in a droning way about the lefty groupthink that forces our poor, marginalized administration turd-fellators to such lengths. Those brave darlings, clinging with fingernails to the the sheer precipice of the Metafilter Liberal HomoCommie Massmind, shrieking into the wind.

Won't someone please think of the ~~children~~ rights of the righties?

By: i_cola

i_cola — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:22:14 -0800

Seth: Everything you have ever posted on this site has been Grade 'A' industrial-strength, 5-star, VSOP shit. You are the last person in the entire history of the universe to be making accusations of shitness. In fact shit is a shining beacon in the arid wasteland of your tedious posting history and is something to which you can only ever aspire to in your wildest drug-fuelled fantasies.

With knobs on.

By: The God Complex

The God Complex — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:22:36 -0800

Thanks for teaching us all a valuable lesson, hama7; you are a king amongst peasants.

This thread has left me indescribably sad, but I will now go on to explain, in great detail, how sad it has made me, completely invalidating the adjective "indescribably."

*forlorn sigh*

By: gottabefunky

gottabefunky — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:25:01 -0800

It's like in the cartoons, when the little tornado of battling limbs, teeth, hair and flying stars comes whirling in from the next room to this one.

By: The God Complex

The God Complex — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:27:27 -0800

Also, would somebody teach Seth that attacking someone's argument (in this case that hama7's thread was "bad") by pointing out a perceived inconsistency in the person doing so (in this case amberglow) is irrelevant and qualifies as a logical fallacy? Thanks.

In addition, it would be nice if at some point people were banned (a week for the first time, a month for the second, etc.) when they refuse to keep their personal grudges out of the blue? A certain amount of FPP criticism in the blue is probably acceptable, and any post worth it's salt can stand the occasional negative comment, but this constant attempt to derail threads is getting more than a little annoying and does the site a far worse disservice than posting these fpp's that break all these supposed "rules" everyone is going on about.

By: The God Complex

The God Complex — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:28:10 -0800

Won't someone please think of the ~~children~~ rights of the righties?

They did think about the children and the evidence is on videotape, sir.

By: Space Coyote

Space Coyote — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:33:25 -0800

I think the reason why the troll is linking to his own post is to prevent someone else from doing it, and thus try and prevent a legitimate complaint about a post he knew sucked from the start.

In short, hama7 == got nothin'.

By: Seth

Seth — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:36:25 -0800

Space Coyote - thanks for making a grand point. amber's posts are less shitty than hama7's posts. Well, since we are all about lowering the bar here, I guess that serves as ringing endorsement of amberglow's behavior.

amberglow - Considering your recent whining about anti-gay bias, you sure do throw out the cutesy fag-happy stuff when you feel like it. And please knock off the rhetorical flirting. I wouldn't touch you with a stolen dick.

TGC - so being inconsistent is not a logical fallacy? But, discrediting hama7's argument by claiming that the source is, ipse dixit, wrong is a good logical attack on the argument? (Would it be too weird if I pointed out your inconsistency?)

By: evening

evening — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:36:27 -0800

can we get back to what the hell GYOWFW is supposed to mean, please?

By: dg

dg — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:40:10 -0800

I love you people, I really do, but the fucking soap-opera needs to stop.
I second that.
*Votes in favour of the motion*

By: Cyrano

Cyrano — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:44:07 -0800

what the hell GYOWFW is supposed to mean, please?

I think it's Swedish for "cock bucket."

By: jonmc

jonmc — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:45:02 -0800

I love you people, I really do, but the fucking soap-opera needs to stop.

But I have to tune in tommorrow to find out if stavros will come out his coma so he can help hama7 get over Witty and find true love....

[organ music]

By: thomcatspike

thomcatspike — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:46:53 -0800

what the hell GYOWFW is supposed to mean,
then can the thread be deleted. Because at this point not knowing GetYourOwnW(?)F-kingW(?) means this post looks like the several below it.

hama7, most of the comments in the thread were usual yet it did generate a lot of comments. Did you feel the thread's comments were hijacked, a personal attack on you or some other non-personal reason?

By: esch

esch — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:47:02 -0800

GYOWFW

By: amberglow

amberglow — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:47:39 -0800

amberglow - Considering your recent whining about anti-gay bias, you sure do throw out the cutesy fag-happy stuff when you feel like it. And please knock off the rhetorical flirting. I wouldn't touch you with a stolen dick.

I am a cutesy fag--and happy too. I throw it out to you because i know it bothers you, troll. Now go play with hama--he obviously needs the attention, having posted in the blue and now here about his post in the blue.

By: quonsar

quonsar — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:48:39 -0800

[organ music]

WE HAVE A WINNER.

By: gleuschk

gleuschk — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:48:46 -0800

I love you people, I really do, but the fucking soap-opera needs to stop.
I second that.
*Votes in favour of the motion*

Aye! Aye, I said!

By: jonmc

jonmc — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:57:18 -0800

I throw it out to you because i know it bothers you, troll.

This bothers him?

I'm neither a fag nor cutesy but I'll attempt to mince if it helps.

By: seanyboy

seanyboy — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:57:29 -0800

Please. Can Matt come back and tell the bad people off and delete all the horrible posts and make everything nice again and we'll all look at each other and we'll laugh because we realised we were overreacting and we'll go outside and play and promise to never ever be so silly again. Please... Matt...

By: stavrosthewonderchicken

stavrosthewonderchicken — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:59:46 -0800

*wakes up, looks around.*

Whe...where am I? Am I back in Kansas?

Wait...you were in my dream! And you! And you too! All of you were there!

By: jonmc

jonmc — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:03:43 -0800

Wait...you were in my dream! And you! And you too! All of you were there!

BUt we were all wearing purple bikini underwear and doing the polka. I told you not to mix mescal and easy cheese before bed, stav.

By: XQUZYPHYR

XQUZYPHYR — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:07:14 -0800

I like hama7. I dislike seth. The jury's out on XQUZYPHYR.

We shall see how he fares in THUNDERDOME!

By: XQUZYPHYR

XQUZYPHYR — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:08:38 -0800

P.S. i_cola: please have like a thousand of my babies.

By: chicobangs

chicobangs — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:11:20 -0800

Shyeah,XQ.

Like we need another hero.

By: zpousman

zpousman — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:11:49 -0800

I agree with seth.

*dies*

But really, lots of threads are shit on metafilter. Only we can make it better. So the next time you see an op-ed like this, for god's sake (hell, for everybod's sake), stop and take a deep breath. Take another. Then do one of two things. Either

a) do a heck of a lot of research and find a liberal commentator making each and every one of these claims, and link to your article only as a jumping off point or

b) leave that shit on your own blog, which hama7 you've well on suggested at the top of this thread.

Which is it going to be? I don't give a shit about left or right-wing posts. I could read right-wing or left-wing craziness all day. Lots of us could. But only if it's good -- if it's part of some real dialog, some real discussion, if it's framed in such a way as to bring out the best in us, forcing us to (gasp!) graple with the issues and find links to support our positions. That's when metafilter works.

[Note: Option "A" above is not exclusively answered in the manner I describe above. One could solve the problem of turning a crazy polemic into a good thread in myriad ways. It's not about your opinion, it's about making your opinion powerful in a way that uses the web. I've long ago given up on NewsFilter. Heck, I even admit to liking what people discuss in various political threads. But make 'em good people. That's all.]

By: jonmc

jonmc — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:12:35 -0800

I like hama7. I dislike seth. The jury's out on XQUZYPHYR.

We'll alert the media.

By: chaz

chaz — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:16:43 -0800

Well Seth I do agree with you in the abstract... problem is you have no credibility, you only emerged to point out the shittiness of Amberglow's criticism, not of the actual post in question. And your criticism wasn't well-formed or particularly insightful, all you did was show that you care more about stamping out people you don't agree with then with bad posts. Otherwise you would have been all over Hama7's post and not Amberglow's reaction.

But I do agree with you that single-issue (whether they be op/ed or news) posts with a clear POV usually don't make good posts.

By: rushmc

rushmc — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:20:37 -0800

Get Your Own Witty French Woman?

Best. Advice. Ever.

By: smackfu

smackfu — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:21:11 -0800

How many people stir up all this shit? 10? 15? I see an easy way to solve the problem.

By: jonmc

jonmc — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:23:57 -0800

How many people stir up all this shit? 10? 15?

Yeah, but everybody's got their own list of 15 that they'd like liquidated and we're all on somebody's list.

Besides, admit it, it's the people you hate most who keep you coming back, at least partly.

By: nath

nath — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:28:09 -0800

It's Get Your Own Web Filter, Wanker, isn't it?

By: Space Coyote

Space Coyote — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:32:53 -0800

Give Yourself Over to Wolfdaddy, Filthy Whore?

By: XQUZYPHYR

XQUZYPHYR — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:36:28 -0800

What makes hama7 so upsetting is his passive-aggressive decision to be a fabulous contributor to MetaFilter and then deliberatly be a troll.

hama7 is like a waiter who escorts us to a table in a luxurious restaurant, uncorks the finest champagne in the house, brings us the most delicious steak we've ever eaten, and then he poops on you.

By: XQUZYPHYR

XQUZYPHYR — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:28:15 -0800

GYOWFW =

Giant Youthful Ovaries Would Fertilize Wonderfully

Generate Young Owls Within Federal Wetlands

Gah, You're Ovulating. Well, Fucking Withheld!

By: elwoodwiles

elwoodwiles — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:28:58 -0800

So I just got from a wonderful and relaxing walk in the sunshine. I made my way up to the boutiques and cafes that line sleepy Hawthorne Blvd, bought some CDs, drank coffee and watched pretty girls in sundresses walk by. After finnishing my coffee and watching the white clouds slowly drifting through a blue sky, I walked over to the grocery. I bought corn, cabbage (I make a mean coleslaw) a bottle of Sancerre (Andre Neveu is the shizzle this year) and a thick cut of pork loin that I plan on cooking for dinner. I came home, pet the cat and put on my new CD and just thought I'd see how things were going.

I see they are still going..........

By: The God Complex

The God Complex — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:30:28 -0800

so being inconsistent is not a logical fallacy? But, discrediting hama7's argument by claiming that the source is, ipse dixit, wrong is a good logical attack on the argument? (Would it be too weird if I pointed out your inconsistency?)

If someone makes an argument, past history that indicates they've acted otherwise is irrelevant to the debate at hand, and any attempt to bring it up would be considered a fallacy.

The problem with hama7's link is A) that it's an op-ed, not a news piece, and B) even if you don't mind op-eds, it's a stupid, factually-void one with little or no merit. Personally, I could care less if it's deleted--it's stupid and everyone already pointed it out in the thread. That's enough for me.

By: eddydamascene

eddydamascene — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:38:47 -0800

GET YOUR OWN WARBLOG, FREEPING WEIRDO

By: Sidhedevil

Sidhedevil — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:52:45 -0800

Are we allowed to post FPPs to op-eds that are easily available to those who are looking for such things? Because, if we are, what is the point of MetaFilter, then?

I really, really like about half of Cathy Young's columns for Reason, but I don't post them as FPPs, because it seems to me that anyone who wanted to read them could go to Reason.

Now, as for GYOWFW, I thought it might stand for:

Grow Your Own Wrestling Federation, Women

Give Your Other Wife Fried Winkles

Gild Your Old, Wizened, Foreign Wiener

Go Yap On Wotten FM Wadio (cf. Elmer Fudd)

By: wendell

wendell — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:10:59 -0800

Gash Your Own Weasel's Flesh, Wendell.

By: wendell

wendell — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:12:07 -0800

Golly, You're Old! What Freaky Windows!

By: wendell

wendell — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:13:00 -0800

Give Your Old Woman Fine Wovin'
(dammit, gone Fudd again)

By: wendell

wendell — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:14:13 -0800

Gotcha, You Obnoxiously Weird Filter Wetters.

By: rushmc

rushmc — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:15:50 -0800

admit it, it's the people you hate most who keep you coming back, at least partly.

Not even the teeniest, tiniest bit.

By: mcsweetie

mcsweetie — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:18:13 -0800

I like XQUZYPHYR and hama7 and amberglow. I think Seth is a kid. I like Ethereal Bligh. I like jonmc too. I miss Ignatius J. Reilly.

By: sgt.serenity

sgt.serenity — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:26:03 -0800

please somebody hurry up the election !

By: mr_crash_davis

mr_crash_davis — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:39:39 -0800

"We shall see how he fares in THUNDERDOME!"

Two men enter one man.

*leaves*

By: dhoyt

dhoyt — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:40:16 -0800

I wish my town was closer to the towns of other MeFites. I'd like to meet a lot of you face-to-face so we could realize, mutually, that we're all pretty good people, capable of both civility and aplomb. Then we could get drunk and trash the place.

By: quonsar

quonsar — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:44:36 -0800

and talk shit about hama7!

By: dhoyt

dhoyt — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:48:03 -0800

and burn f_and_m in effigy!

By: PinkStainlessTail

PinkStainlessTail — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:51:22 -0800

Stan Brakhage's The Act of Seeing With One's Own Eyes was surprisingly undisturbing, despite consisting entirely of real autopsy footage. I came away feeling fragile and realising how the meat left behind is so very meaningless.

Sorry, what were we talking abotu?

By: Stynxno

Stynxno — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:52:38 -0800

Well, I'm just waiting for Seth and Amberglow to start yelling at each other to the point where they both embrace each other passionately and I have turn my gaze away* and try to drown out the noisemaking.

* because that's what gentlement do...after we set up the webcams and charge people 39.99 a month to view the material

By: Ethereal Bligh

Ethereal Bligh — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:01:02 -0800

Snark quotient very high, good-hearted attempts to encourage niceness quotient very high. Hmm. Nurse, I think this current flare-up has almost run its course.

Too bad it's a chronic condition with no known cure. Where's my gin and tonic? I can't be expected to work under these conditions.

Thanks, mcsweetie!

By: scarabic

scarabic — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:03:38 -0800

Don't do it, i_cola!!!

By: amberglow

amberglow — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:11:25 -0800

By: mischief

mischief — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:17:26 -0800

completely invalidating the adjective "indescribably." : TGC, your humor is so droll. ;-P

By: WolfDaddy

WolfDaddy — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:28:16 -0800

Give Yourself Over to Wolfdaddy, Filthy Whore?

See, if everyone did this, there'd be NO problems. I'd see to it. But spacecoyote's a start.

*warms up the implements*

By: The God Complex

The God Complex — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:36:04 -0800

Thanks, mischief. I don't care what anyone says: I think you're alright ;)

By: muckster

muckster — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:13:59 -0800

Grain Yoda Oscillates With Fag-Happy W.!

By: mcsweetie

mcsweetie — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:24:42 -0800

seriously, hama7, under the effects of what substance did you arrive at the conclusion that this stunt was a good idea?

By: freebird

freebird — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:39:20 -0800

Gestalt Youthful Ontologies Wither From Wanking!

By: quonsar

quonsar — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:45:20 -0800

Gibbering Yokels Open Wide For W

By: lazaruslong

lazaruslong — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:58:15 -0800

seriously, hama7, under the effects of what substance did you arrive at the conclusion that this stunt was a good idea?
posted by mcsweetie at 9:24 PM PST on July 20

Probably something at least as strong as what he was on when he said this:

"Please cite a single instance of bias in the way FOX reports the news. There is none."

But what do I know? I'm drunk.

By: smackfu

smackfu — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:15:12 -0800

See, this is what happens when Matt says he's behind a firewall where he can't access the site.

By: strangeleftydoublethink

strangeleftydoublethink — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:36:26 -0800

Goodnight young, obnoxious, wily, foolish wippersnappers

By: trharlan

trharlan — Tue, 20 Jul 2004 23:12:18 -0800

*cough*

By: chrid

chrid — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 01:43:22 -0800

Do we get to choke on a bucket o' cocks yet?

By: i_cola

i_cola — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 02:54:37 -0800

A thousand?? I don't have the womb...

By: Blue Stone

Blue Stone — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 03:45:58 -0800

The sometimes cry of the heterosexual female:

"Gays, You Only Wish Fucked Women."

By: crunchland

crunchland — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 06:25:25 -0800

Get Your Own W---? Fucking Weblog.

By: thomcatspike

thomcatspike — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 06:31:22 -0800

But why are the posts shit? Because they are technically op/eds? Furthermore, all of the posts violate the basic premise of what a post should be: something new and interesting, that isn't found at major resources.

Never Say Never…
Seth, Matt has approved basically every site rule violation when the thread is interesting and or has lead to a good discussion in the comments.

Why is amberglow being piled on for critiquing? As he did participate in the thread. See no wrong comments in a discussion thread except for the ones that are trying to win an their argument. The wrong there may be an argument is winning over one’s view which usually makes it personal, all about me. Or, the person reading it feels a personal attack on self. Unlike a discussion which can be a conversation discussed in a civil manner with equal and or unequal views. Which I have found to be the most interesting conversations in The World.

By: thomcatspike

thomcatspike — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 06:34:10 -0800

Sorry hama7….read the thread's posted link last week. The article's ideas were worthlessly weak.

By: psmealey

psmealey — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 06:54:13 -0800

Is this MeTa post, as well as the referring link in the Blue a bit of performance art by Hama7? A single link post to an op-ed piece? Clearly, he knows better.

I have had my run-ins with him, and I tend to believe that he's a heartless SOB that is not only still fighting some bizzaro alternate universe Cold War but also seems to have running internal dialogue with Trotsky, Marx and Taylor, that occasionaly makes its way onto the Blue. But his FPPs, particularly his photo weblog posts in the blue indicate that he is a person of some sensibility. There has to be something else at work there. I'm almost inclined to believe that he's just a troll and doesn't really believe anything he writes, but posts as he does just to get a rise out of people. Anyone else have a theory? From a certain standpoint, perhaps you can give someone who lives in South Korea a little latitude as far as the communist paranoia goes, but it still irritates me that someone who lives abroad would have a such an interest in supporting an administration with such a vicious domestic agenda, if he were anything other than a spiteful asshole. Anyone else have theory?

By: andrew cooke

andrew cooke — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:24:09 -0800

yeah, because he can't just be someone with ideas different to psmealy - he must be given a label so that we can all go back to sleep.

By: psmealey

psmealey — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:37:39 -0800

sarcasm works really well in print. Oh, wait. No it doesn't.

By: soyjoy

soyjoy — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:48:04 -0800

So the new vogue is not that we get a new MeTa thread anytime someone tells someone else to fuck off, but whenever someone posts a thread and doesn't like how it turns out?

Really, there could be exceptions, but if you're posting a MeTa callout about your own thread, it's probably a sign there was a problem with posting the Blue thread in the first place.

By: mikeh

mikeh — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:49:45 -0800

Anyone else noticed that hama7 has not posted a single comment to either the original thread or this MeTa one? This all seems really voyeuristic.

By: dhoyt

dhoyt — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:50:01 -0800

What Andrew said.

Get out more, psmealey, see the world, hang out with people outside your demographic, talk about their worldview, visit their church, read their books, or just drive ten short miles away note the wildly diverse opinions from one human to the next, from point A to point B. In short: take the blinders off. If you still don't like what you see, fine, but please stop perpetuating that the definition of a "troll" is someone who doesn't share your opinions.

Wait--am I being sarcastic? Maybe I'm just trolling. I don't even know anymore. *pouts*

By: octobersurprise

octobersurprise — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:59:38 -0800

Anyone else have a theory?

He's Adam Yoshida's mini-me. Grown in a vat. That's my theory.

By: psmealey

psmealey — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:03:28 -0800

I'm sure I deserve those criticisms at times, dhoyt. My point, which I admit could have been better articulated, is that I think Hama7 doesn't so much spout different opinions from mine on the Blue, it's that he throws up strawmen to reframe a discussion and then runs away, only to return with additional (and usually irrelevant) links to Op-Ed pieces on foxnews, newsmax, washtimes, or else throws in red herring and out of context quotes from Marx, Engels, Durkheim etc.

I'm the last person to shout anyone down because they have a view that differs from mine, I like a good fight. But I do have a problem with people that use intellectually dishonest tactics or otherwise cheap devices to further an agenda than engage in reasoned and dignified debate. Take for example, someone like MidasMulligan, who does raise the ire of some of the folks on the Blue from time to time. For my own part, I rarely agree with him, but is clearly an intelligent and courteous person who does debate the issues on the merits. Based on his otherwise good taste, my supposition was that Hama7 has it within him to do this as well, but for whatever reason, chooses not to.

By: jonmc

jonmc — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:11:07 -0800

This all seems really voyeuristic.

*exposes self out window*

maybe now he'll be satisfied.

By: dhoyt

dhoyt — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:35:40 -0800

Nah, I know what you mean, psmealey. Hama's a smart guy and it's disappointing to see him posting Nat'l Review links he knows don't contribute much. You sound a hell of a lot more reasonable that most who float the "troll" epithet so freely 'round here. In his defense, I don't think hama gets particularly nasty in his arguements, though, and in non-political threads seems like a genuinely okay guy. Frankly, one's politics don't usually matter to me unless they're pepetually trying to ram them down my throat--on the front pages of Metafilter, via email, on the subway, in line at the DMV, wherever.

By: languagehat

languagehat — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:48:45 -0800

You know, I still have a hard time believing no one else has noticed that rodii's back. Or at least dropped by to say hi.

stavros, was he in your dream?

By: darukaru

darukaru — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:01:39 -0800

I saw the best minds of my generation
Destroyed by madness, starving, hysterical
I should be allowed to glue my poster
I should be allowed to think

I should be allowed to glue my poster
I should be allowed to think
I should be allowed to think
I should be allowed to think
And I should be allowed to blurt the merest idea
If by random whim, one occurs to me
If necessary, leave paper stains on the grey utility pole

I saw the worst bands of my generation
applied by magic marker to dry wall
I should be allowed to shoot my mouth off
I should have a call in show

I should be allowed to glue my poster
I should be allowed to think
I should be allowed to think
I should be allowed to think
And I should be allowed to blurt the merest idea
If by random whim, one occurs to me
If necessary, leave paper stains on the grey utility pole

I am not allowed
To ever come up with a single original thought
I am not allowed
To meet the criminal government agent who oppresses me

I was the worst hope of my generation
Destroyed by madness, starving, hysterical
I should be allowed to share my feelings
I should be allowed to feel

I should be allowed to glue my poster
I should be allowed to think
I should be allowed to think
I should be allowed to think
And I should be allowed to blurt the merest idea
If by random whim one occurs to me
But sadly, this can never be

I am not allowed to think
I am not allowed to think

By: jfuller

jfuller — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:20:53 -0800

> And I should be allowed to blurt the merest idea
> If by random whim one occurs to me

If they think that's thinking, they need to think again.

> I should be allowed to glue my poster
> I should be allowed to think

Incompatible. Once one starts thinking, one loses interest in posters. Mefi posters take note.

By: psmealey

psmealey — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:54:22 -0800

I was surprised to learn that those are the lyrics to a TMBG song. I would have guessed Weezer.

By: soyjoy

soyjoy — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:55:40 -0800

If they think that's thinking,

...they've got another think coming.

Alternate version: If they thing that's thinging, they've got another thing coming.

By: Otis

Otis — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:07:29 -0800

Come on, can't we just get beyond Thunderdome?

By: XQUZYPHYR

XQUZYPHYR — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:30:12 -0800

Crooooooooooooooow!

By: jonmc

jonmc — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:39:37 -0800

Alternate version: If they thing that's thinging, they've got another thing coming.

But out there is a fortune, waiting to be had. If you I'll let it go, you're mad.

By: Ethereal Bligh

Ethereal Bligh — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:26:49 -0800

They Might Be Giants and Allen Ginsberg should never, ever have anything to do with each other. Ever.

Also, posting song lyrics on MeFi—hell, quoting song lyrics, ever, anywhere—should be resisted at all costs, excepting those who are still in their adolescence.

By: inpHilltr8r

inpHilltr8r — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:52:58 -0800

...or have somehow managed to extend their adolescence into their mid thirties, through the revitalising power of MUSIC!

EB, old before his time...

By: mischief

mischief — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 20:29:46 -0800

Hey, I just realized that the strawman accusation is itself a strawman. I mean, look, it's turtles all the way down! ;-P

By: bob sarabia

bob sarabia — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:47:20 -0800

Metafilter: Liberal HomoCommie Massmind

By: y2karl

y2karl — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:28:49 -0800

MetaFilter: Thanks for your mediocre variation on a stale 111 half-witticism.

By: stavrosthewonderchicken

stavrosthewonderchicken — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:03:57 -0800

MetaFilter: Thanks for your mediocre variation on a stale 111 half-witticism.

Metafilter : never missing a chance to scurry in and take a cheap shot.

Anyone else have a theory?

No, I think you're pretty much bang on. Except I don't believe he lives in Korea any more. Such a loss for the peninsula.

By: Ethereal Bligh

Ethereal Bligh — Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:47:20 -0800

EB, old before his time...

Hey, I turn forty in a few months. I'm entitled.

By: psmealey

psmealey — Fri, 23 Jul 2004 06:57:54 -0800

mischief, I do think that word means what you think it means. A strawman is an intentionallly weak or sham argument set up to be easily refuted, or in the sense I have used it above, a rephrasing, oversimplification (reductio ad absurdum) to cheaply poke holes in your adversary's point of view and derail or sabotage the discussion.

By: psmealey

psmealey — Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:35:35 -0800

Btw, I am now officially a fan of Hama7. He just never stops making my point for me. (winks and points finger at Hama7)... I owe you one, bud.

By: amberglow

amberglow — Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:04:54 -0800

me too EB, but come on...it's not like we're gonna die--it's just that we become middleaged.

You can't get what you want
Till you know what you want
; >

By: fold_and_mutilate

fold_and_mutilate — Sat, 24 Jul 2004 00:13:46 -0800

I personally think hama7's political views are pretty goddamned unsupportable.

Nevertheless, I also encourage him and anyone else here to continue to post links to thoughtful and interesting web pieces, including op-ed pieces. Really, folks...there's nothing to fear from ideas foreign to you. Many of these posts are obviously provocative, and often represent ideas well worth at least considering, regardless of whether they happen to be typical right-wing bullshit or left-wing truth and light.

~big wink~

and burn f_and_m in effigy!
posted by dhoyt at 7:48 PM PST on July 20

Oh, dear, dhoyt. One supposes before we could expect you to even think about participating in that particular barbecue (and landsakes, I do love a good roast, you know!), we will have to do something about your spine problem, given that this is about the umpteenth time you've felt the need to whine about me (or should we just call it "stirring shit?") behind my back, along with similar skulking behavior toward other users.

Have you considered an implant?

~chuckle~