Comments on: Give Steve_at_Linnwood a timeout or delete his attacks

Give Steve_at_Linnwood a timeout or delete his attacks

rushmc — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 08:01:48 -0800

You are such a cockface.
posted by Steve_at_Linnwood at 1:05 AM PST on October 24

Matt, if you won't give this offensive ^%@&! a timeout, can you at least do your pointless-personal-attack-comment-deletion thing??? Or is this really how you want your site represented to the world? It's disruptive, divisive, and totally uncalled for.

By: Stynxno

Stynxno — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 08:24:37 -0800

Everything is fake and faith-based nowadays.
Posted by Skallas

You are such a cockface. Posted by Steve in response.

Skallas trolled and Steve bit.

Personally, i don't think it is disruptive, divisive, and totally uncalled for. Skallas tried to use the thread to promote his agenda and steve called him out on it. Skallas's comment was barely related to the topic at hand and he said it to get that kind of reaction. A few posts later, the thread looked like it might derail into the typical MeFi religion thread but it didn't.

If it had been anyone else but Steve, three or four posts would go by before someone made the same point but used more words and more "proper" language. Rather than waste his time, Steve summed up the envitable conclusion and was able to stop the Skallas's derail. Steve might not have meant to do that but he did. And quite frankly, I'm glad because if we can't mock pisspoor singers who embarass themselves in public, than we as a community are in trouble.

By: mss

mss — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 08:30:04 -0800

Anyway, he was just lip syncing.

By: Mayor Curley

Mayor Curley — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 08:38:35 -0800

"cockface" is funny. There was no foul!

By: mcsweetie

mcsweetie — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 08:53:40 -0800

aw, lighten up.

By: justgary

justgary — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:08:02 -0800

A few threads earlier somone was called an 'imbecile'. Only calling out people you disagree with is so transparent.

By: angry modem

angry modem — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:08:47 -0800

Vlad farted.

By: jonmc

jonmc — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:09:37 -0800

An actual cockface would look interesting. Sort of like an elephant.

The term also reminds me of this old filthy chestnut:

What did raggedy ann say when she sat on pinnocchio's face?

"Lie, Teel the Truth, Lie, Tell The Truth, Big Lie...."

By: jmgorman

jmgorman — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:27:35 -0800

I thought it was funny. Steve, very approriately, had very little patience for that kinda shit this late in the day.

By: y6y6y6

y6y6y6 — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:27:47 -0800

People get called names here. If you really expect MeFi to be polite, I suspect you are either a first time visitor, or ass-clenched to the point of needing medical attention.

While I personally think Steve is a dipshit, I'm capable of recognizing it's just my opinion, and his behavior is fully in line with the prevailing MeFi culture. And asking to have people banned just because *I* think they're a dipshit would be really silly.

By: jonmc

jonmc — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:30:09 -0800

Shut up, dipshit. ;)

By: Krrrlson

Krrrlson — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:58:08 -0800

This is by far the most appropriate cockface I've seen.

By: fenriq

fenriq — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:04:27 -0800

Isn't the rule that you have to be at least marginally imaginative in your insults? I mean, calling someone a jackass is boring but calling them a cockface is really just kind of funny. Makes me wonder if there was an old disease called cockface (maybe Cyrano had it?)

Besides, there are some long established rivalries here, people who choose to carry thier discourse at a somewhat lower level. If both are cool with it and there are no impressionable kids learning new ways to swear at their parents then what's the real harm?

By: quonsar

quonsar — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:06:00 -0800

Skallas's comment was barely related to the topic at hand

it was a great comment, even coming from The SkallaTron. i find it deeply interesting that it grated on steve_at so. he protesteth a tad much.

By: Kwantsar

Kwantsar — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:16:11 -0800

Is it your position, rushmc, that skallas is not a cockface?

That's the most interesting theory that I have heard so far...which is nothing more than a theory, it can't be proved.

By: mischief

mischief — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:43:35 -0800

"how you want your site represented to the world?"

Like a significant number of people know anything about MeFi.
Sheesh!

By: Space Coyote

Space Coyote — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:45:29 -0800

Actually I supect steve was just going through the motions and not actually all that offended.

By: Space Coyote

Space Coyote — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:46:35 -0800

Weird, I've had some sort of repeating-words-in-the-same-sentence tick lately. Weird.

By: quonsar

quonsar — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:50:56 -0800

weird, actually.

By: xammerboy

xammerboy — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 11:06:21 -0800

I'm surprised people think this is ok. This isn't discussion. Steve needs to get a grip.

By: fvw

fvw — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 11:13:41 -0800

cyrano should have been so lucky...

xammerboy: This is par for the course on MeFi. Whether you think it's ok or not, calling out only those who you disagree with isn't going to do anything but create the MeTa chatter thread du jour ("not that that's necessarily a bad thing," he chattered").

By: ginz

ginz — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 11:38:13 -0800

Thanks for that old filthy chestnut, jonmc :)

By: matteo

matteo — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 11:46:30 -0800

still, let me reiterate: Shut the Fuck Up.
posted by Steve_at_Linnwood at 11:05 PM PST on March 20

You make me sick...
posted by Steve_at_Linnwood at 3:39 PM PST on November 8

go fuck yourself...
posted by Steve_at_Linnwood at 4:51 PM PST on January 20

I'm glad you can count, dumbass.
posted by Steve_at_Linnwood at 4:04 PM PST on January 20

"cockface" is a baby-step towards acceptable manners. let us not pile on poor Steve@Dimwood. he'll feel besieged by those evil lib'ruls, then. and go on a hiatus, or something

By: gd779

gd779 — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 11:52:19 -0800

A few threads earlier somone was called an 'imbecile'. Only calling out people you disagree with is so transparent.

A few thread earlier rushmc called someone (disclosure: me) an "idiot". That was his entire comment: that my idea was stupid and that I must be stupid for having it.

While I wish we would all agree to be civil and to condemn both types of personal attacks, that is clearly not going to happen on MetaFilter anytime soon. At a minimum, though, demanding civility only from our political enemies is hypocritical.

By: scarabic

scarabic — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:07:52 -0800

It's all well and good to publicly humiliate someone for being a potty-mouth (thank you, matteo, for doing the legwork on that), but "please do something about this, Matt?" God knows the man has better things to do than wash out Linwood's mouth with soap.

By: troutfishing

troutfishing — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:19:24 -0800

cockface :

By: neckro23

neckro23 — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:19:35 -0800

It was fairly obvious to me that the comment was in jest. Quit being cockfaces about it!

By: troutfishing

troutfishing — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:44:28 -0800

By: Quartermass

Quartermass — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:58:15 -0800

Why don't the lot of you go eat a bucket full of cocks.

By: mrgavins

mrgavins — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:06:39 -0800

Or a bag of dicks.

By: semmi

semmi — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:21:56 -0800

You are such a cockface.

This isn't a compliment?

By: Space Coyote

Space Coyote — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:37:57 -0800

Cock faces.

</obvious>

By: rushmc

rushmc — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:44:44 -0800

Besides, there are some long established rivalries here, people who choose to carry thier discourse at a somewhat lower level. If both are cool with it and there are no impressionable kids learning new ways to swear at their parents then what's the real harm?

The harm is that they aren't talking to one another on the telephone, but in front of thousands of people. Even Jon Stewart's puerile "you're a dick" statement on Crossfire was 100x more relevant than Steve's shitbomb in that thread. If he had a problem with skallas' statement, he should have expressed it, not stooped to calling names and running like a kid leaving a paper sack of dogpoop burning on the doorstep. It's cowardly, and it's detrimental to the level of discourse of the community.

By: rushmc

rushmc — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:46:35 -0800

By: jonmc

jonmc — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:47:56 -0800

um, matteo, as the man behind such gems as "likudgirl" "kkkrlson" etc. maybe you shouldn't be casting aspersions here. Or does the name calling rule only apply to people you don't like?

By: stavrosthewonderchicken

stavrosthewonderchicken — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:49:41 -0800

I don't think 'cockface' is either clever or funny.

By: Stan Chin

Stan Chin — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:52:55 -0800

I've always preferred 'doodyhead.' Stings to the core.

By: konolia

konolia — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 14:50:19 -0800

I am old enough to remember when Metafilter was polite.

By: scarabic

scarabic — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 14:54:19 -0800

When was that?

By: gd779

gd779 — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:33:56 -0800

It was before your time, young'un.

Nailing down the precise date of a cultural shift is always tricky (why do you think historians talk about ages and centuries?). But if I had to opine, and if I recall correctly, I'd call early to mid-2001 MetaFilter's "September that Never Ended". We had a big surge of users about that time, and shortly thereafter September 11th happened, and somewhere in there things just... changed a little.

There's also an argument to be made that the shift actually happened in late 2000 (around the time I showed up), but that was more about the shift towards the acceptance of NewFilter than the shift towards the acceptance of incivility. I don't know, maybe I'm completely wrong, but that's my recollection.

Now get off my lawn!

By: SpaceCadet

SpaceCadet — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:36:42 -0800

And the suggestions here that I only call out people "with whom I disagree" are preposterous. My history on that speaks for itself. Express any opinion you want...just offer more than vulgar namecalling.

rushmc, would you object if I made a callout every single time I heard somebody calling someone else a name here? Yes or no answer please.

By: konolia

konolia — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:53:58 -0800

To be sure, it was sometime after Kaycee Nicole...around the time of 911.

By: Shane

Shane — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:00:45 -0800

You are such a cockface.
posted by Steve_at_Linnwood at 1:05 AM PST on October 24

I just read that as

You are such a Linnwood.
posted by Steve_at_Cockface at 1:05 AM PST on October 24

??

By: rushmc

rushmc — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:01:39 -0800

rushmc, would you object if I made a callout every single time I heard somebody calling someone else a name here? Yes or no answer please.

Me? No. I think a civil discourse is much more fruitful, and incivility breeds more of same, as we have seen. But your crusade would quickly take over Meta if you didn't limit yourself to the most egregious cases.

By: interrobang

interrobang — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:24:14 -0800

Although it was unnecessary, I think Steve_in_Highschool's "cockface" remark has provided us with a wonderful and productive new meme.

"Cockface" blows "pike" out of the water (by a longshot!) and ranks up there with referencing the--not at all tired!--desire for free ponies.

Huzzah!, I say!

By: Cyrano

Cyrano — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:00:56 -0800

Could everyone please leave me out of this?

By: jonson

jonson — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:04:26 -0800

In Steve's defense, that skallas IS kind of a cockface. I'm tired of people dragging their political potshots into EVERY SINGLE unrelated thread, it's just exhausting.

By: jonmc

jonmc — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:20:47 -0800

Cockface would be a great name for a band.

I'm just sayin'.....

By: crunchland

crunchland — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:36:58 -0800

half of metafilter users are cockfaces. the other half are cuntasses. see how it all balances out? god is great that way.

By: rio

rio — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:37:59 -0800

What ever happened to "asshat"? That was my favorite. Mayhap it doesn't have enough of the "sting" that Stan Chin mentioned?

/waits for someone to call her an asshat....

By: jonmc

jonmc — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:41:34 -0800

So we're a buncha cockfaces wearing asshats to our dates with the cutassess. I hope we don't get the whipshitties.

By: orange swan

orange swan — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:52:52 -0800

I see it as a girrrrrl band, Jon:-)

Matt is aware of Skallas's problem behaviour and has already asked Skallas to chill out on the anti-religious rhetoric, and Matt's also the only person Skallas will accept criticism from, so... maybe we should just let Matt deal with him.

Call outs about cockface insults don't carry much weight when they come from someone who just called someone else an idiot. And since I've put my two bits into the fray, someone else can now say, "What about when you did such and such..."

I've got a mental image of Matt sittting back in a recliner somewhere thinking, "Ah, I'll just let 'em fight it out. As long as they leave the house standing...."

By: Sidhedevil

Sidhedevil — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:03:57 -0800

I, personally, am appalled by how skallas manages to bring politics into every single thread, but jfuller's introduction of politics into the thread on the relative obesity statistics of US states seems to be a new high? low? nadir? Nader?

By: stavrosthewonderchicken

stavrosthewonderchicken — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:54:00 -0800

Nader! Nad.... ah, never mind.

By: semmi

semmi — Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:14:05 -0800

tit

Is that for tat?

By: Dagobert

Dagobert — Mon, 25 Oct 2004 00:13:44 -0800

At least he didn't call him a putz.

'cause that would be bad.

By: The God Complex

The God Complex — Mon, 25 Oct 2004 00:27:36 -0800

You don't know jesus.

By: mischief

mischief — Mon, 25 Oct 2004 04:55:47 -0800

"jfuller's introduction of politics into the thread"

Everything is political. I can think of few topics that do not have any direct political connections.

Especially in the USA where the government sticks its nose into everything. ;-P

By: ashbury

ashbury — Mon, 25 Oct 2004 05:44:08 -0800

skallas' comment was brilliant.

steve's comment was amusing.

apropos of absolutely nothing, Mercury Prize winners are over-rated but make for vital components in one's collections.

that is all.

By: rcade

rcade — Mon, 25 Oct 2004 05:53:40 -0800

The best part about Steve's insult is that he called someone a cockface for insulting people of faith. Surely that passes the WWJD test.

By: orange swan

orange swan — Mon, 25 Oct 2004 06:23:25 -0800

Skallas didn't insult people of faith, rcade. So your assumption about Steve's motives is wrong.

By: fold_and_mutilate

fold_and_mutilate — Mon, 25 Oct 2004 07:28:38 -0800

Be gentle with sensitive Stevie.

No doubt it took him much effort to come up with two words he could actually spell, let alone the effort it took him to aha! and combine them. No doubt it took him much effort to decide which word should actually come first.

So much for his reasoned response. It's absolutely par for his course.

By: darukaru

darukaru — Mon, 25 Oct 2004 07:54:18 -0800

By: putzface_dickman

putzface_dickman — Mon, 25 Oct 2004 08:34:04 -0800

Wait... Penis references are insulting?

By: orange swan

orange swan — Mon, 25 Oct 2004 08:45:53 -0800

Maybe I shouldn't bite, but who the hell is that guy in darukaru's picture?

By: Secret Life of Gravy

Secret Life of Gravy — Mon, 25 Oct 2004 08:57:40 -0800

What ever happened to "asshat"? That was my favorite

"Asshat" never fails to make me smile. Also "assclown" and "penisbreath."

Maybe we need some new insults:

"Cockpot"
"Fartspace"
"Dongchowder"
"Drip dick"
"Dry hole"

By: filmgoerjuan

filmgoerjuan — Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:03:16 -0800

Maybe I shouldn't bite, but who the hell is that guy in darukaru's picture?

!!!

It's Jon Stewart, orange swan. And it's a reference to his lambasting the folks at Crossfire.

By: orange swan

orange swan — Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:34:35 -0800

Oh, okay, thanks filmgoerjuan. I don't have a television, and this means that although I know the names and concepts I often don't know the faces.

By: ook

ook — Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:48:25 -0800

Apparently Jon Stewart is one of those things you'd need a television to know about.

By: rcade

rcade — Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:16:35 -0800

Orange_swan: Are you suggesting that skallas called Ashlee Simpson's public humiliation "faith-based" as a compliment?

By: sciurus

sciurus — Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:33:46 -0800

I read Ashlee Simpson's public humiliation "faith-based" as Ashlee Simpson's facial humiliation "pubic-based."

Does that mean there is something wrong with me?

By: orange swan

orange swan — Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:36:22 -0800

It wouldn't make much sense to call Ashlee Simpson's public humiliation "faith-based" either as a compliment or as an insult, would it? There wasn't any mention of religion in the linked material.

I can't speak as to Steve@Linwood's motives, but my guess would be that he posted the cockface insult because the comment was of very questionable relevance to the thread and he thought it more of the same anti-religious axe-grinding that Skallas was asked to stop doing. I suspect he's not defending any faith or asking himself what Jesus would do if Matt would let him have a MeFi account. He was, er, defending a thread about Ashlee Simpson.

And when I typed that last sentence, the absurdity of this whole thread - or even possibly of this entire site - suddenly hit me right between the eyes.

Ook - I'm actually really embarrassed that I didn't know what Jon Stewart looked like. I know who he is, and I know what he did on Crossfire, but I've never seen The Daily Show or Crossfire. Maybe I really ought to get a TV, like my seven-year-old niece keeps telling me. Seriously.

By: Ethereal Bligh

Ethereal Bligh — Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:23:50 -0800

Cockfaces and cuntfaces for everyone! Whee!

By: Stynxno

Stynxno — Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:39:48 -0800

OT:
Ook - I'm actually really embarrassed that I didn't know what Jon Stewart looked like. I know who he is, and I know what he did on Crossfire, but I've never seen The Daily Show or Crossfire. Maybe I really ought to get a TV, like my seven-year-old niece keeps telling me. Seriously.

orange swan: do you have high speed internet? because if you do, you can download the episodes or view clips off the internet.

i recently gave up my tv and i've resorted to the internet to feed my needs.
/OT

By: wendell

wendell — Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:02:57 -0800

Cockface? Or Tricky Dickie?

By: Steve_at_Linnwood

Steve_at_Linnwood — Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:18:27 -0800

Thank you for the compliment Dr. Flower!

By: rcade

rcade — Tue, 26 Oct 2004 04:35:20 -0800

Let us not be cockfaces, orange swan. Whether Skallas' comment is described as insulting people of faith or "anti-religious axe-grinding," Steve_at_Peckerwood was dispensing a beat down in the name of the Lord.

By: orange swan

orange swan — Tue, 26 Oct 2004 05:49:02 -0800

When even an atheist like Matt has a problem with this sort of relentless soap-boxing, you know it's not on behalf of the Lord.

However, like I've said, I don't know what Steve's motives are. It may be that he's a Christian - I wouldn't know, I don't pay very much attention to him. So if he is, and that's why he said what he did, then you would be correct.

By: orange swan

orange swan — Tue, 26 Oct 2004 05:51:22 -0800

Thanks, Stynxno. It's true, I probably could get even my wonky six-year-old home computer to do that.

By: chicobangs

chicobangs — Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:10:51 -0800

I think 'cockface' is either clever or funny. But not both.

By: Stynxno

Stynxno — Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:59:38 -0800

orange swan: crap, i should have linked to this earlier. It requires windows media player (or real player the deeper in you get) and it contains a bunch of short clips from the show.