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Raining on other people's parades.
I've seen this before, eulogizing, and I don't know if it's been discussed here, but people have a bad habit of being contrary and blase simply for the sake of it.
So in this thread, which admittedly I am very upset about, seeing as how I used "font size=7" to proclaim my sorrow, why are people coming in to a thread that is about mourning of a sort and talking about how much they don't care? You didn't read pamie.com? Wonderful! Why the hell are you talking about it, then? You didn't like it? Super! Does that mean your opinions are appropriate?
Are people so in love with the "sound of their own voice" that they just have to blab, regardless of the thread? I'd like to know, really.
posted by solistrato to Etiquette/Policy at 6:43 PM PST - 9 comments
I'd find it very useful if there were marks next to links on the front page so that I could see straight away which links are new since my last view. If I check the front page and there are 20-odd new links, I can't remember which I've seen before. Something like this
would be nice.
posted by smaugy to Feature Requests at 1:29 PM PST - 2 comments
I'm not knocking the people who posted the threads, but does anyone else feel like every online discussion
about a death is really just an excuse for people to mourn their own future demise (complete with overstated praise for themselves and why-God-why lamenting)?
posted by rcade to MetaFilter-Related at 9:33 AM PST - 6 comments
I know the "Matt make another post" thread is a joke, and it's funny. But lately, my guilt mechanism for getting Metafilter for free has been kicking in.
Then I read this post: http://www.metafilter.com/comments.mefi/8677#101532
And there's the thing about Yahoo possibly going subscription (sorry, I'm a technomoron and I don't know how to link from over here).
I know we've asked before, and you've refused. But Matt, what do you think about charging for Metafilter now on some sort of basis? Is it time? And what do others think?
posted by hazyjane to MetaFilter-Related at 1:29 AM PST - 23 comments
Can we get a form to change our MeFi password? I haven't been able to find it, so I guess this is a feature request...hope I haven't just missed the link somewhere on the front page :)
posted by pnevares to Feature Requests at 10:45 PM PST - 0 comments
"Of course not, dayvin, but thanks for ruining the excitement of posting my first link."
Link content aside, does this happen too often? Does MetaFilter need to be a nurturing environment? Could we maybe have "rookie" stripes that let the jaded know to cut the newbies some slack?
posted by machaus to Etiquette/Policy at 10:24 AM PST - 15 comments
I say that tonight, to those who flame we respond as though we're stoned no? Now wouldn't that be irritating?
BTW. I don't expect anyone to actually do it nor post on this thread.
posted by crasspastor to Etiquette/Policy at 7:15 PM PST - 12 comments
Question for Matt: How long would someone's MeFi posting privileges be maintained if they posted about "how many niggers" there are on MeFi? Or the number of "kikes"? Is there a limit here, at any point on the scale?
posted by aaron to Etiquette/Policy at 3:05 PM PST - 32 comments
should linking to another site be contingent on that user's permission? this question is an old one, mostly debated on slashdot regarding linking to DeCSS sites being ruled illegal. many said that was an impingement of their 1st amendment rights. as a site that relies on linking to other websites, i think it's a relevant issue.
i never read many of the comments on slashdot about the subject because there were so many, and perhaps this has already been debated here by others. but the notion of a site being "slashdotted" came to mind. the costs of bandwidth are, to me, a perfectly legit reason to sue another site over being unknowingly linked to or at least linked without prior approval. so what do you guys think?
i know that mefi is not the sort of site where you can expect a gigabyte's worth of bandwidth to come from one link here, but i think it's a problem that may need to be addressed. has anyone ever been slashdotted here? how much have you had to pay? if you could, would you want to sue to recouperate the costs of being slashdotted?
posted by moz to MetaFilter-Related at 3:01 PM PST - 6 comments
Another NY Times suggestion...
has a publicly available login and password to view articles they think are of interest. Is this feasible for us? I know there haven't been a lot of NYTimes posts lately, and someone mentioned in a previous MetaTalk thread that NYT might crack down on group logins. But since channel.nytimes seems to be closed for the time being, is this a possibility? Something like login: Metafilter, pwd: A-list...
posted by starvingartist to Feature Requests at 1:47 PM PST - 6 comments
There is no June 24th on my "dates" view. MeFi has officially eliminated a date on the calendar.
posted by hijinx to Bugs at 6:48 AM PST - 6 comments
This past week I've tried to access metafilter from a public library computer and an internet cafe computer, but each time I've gotten redirected to plastic.com. Very strange - from my PC at work it's fine. I live in France.
posted by hazyjane to Bugs at 6:45 AM PST - 6 comments
The Error Messages are getting more and more frequent in Metatalk. Yes, this is a double post, but sufficiently urgent. The most recent one was: http://metatalk.metafilter.com/comments.mefi/8590#99606
using IE5.0 for Mac.
And yet another error message when I tried to post this on--oh cruel irony!
posted by ParisParamus to Bugs at 8:50 PM PST - 0 comments
I would just LOVE it if the "Older"/"Newer" links were up at the top of the page as well (in a fixed location). That way I could easily to the next thread without having to scroll down or go Back...
posted by fooljay to Feature Requests at 6:25 PM PST - 7 comments
It occurred to me today that I could take a simple web discussion board script, modify the interface a little bit, and turn it into a blogging tool. I guess archiving would be a drag, but otherwise it would probably work. Anyone try anything like this?
posted by mecran01 to Bugs at 1:17 PM PST - 1 comments
i've remember threads like this before, but my searches turned up nothing, i think im searching for the wrong things ... anywho. i was trying to set up an apache server with some fun toys and was curious if the MeFi community could advise me on what i would need to set up to run PHP, and all that fun stuff.
posted by a11an to MetaFilter-Related at 8:24 AM PST - 2 comments
weblog-as-conversation or game site material? (I know - it's only one person, but this sort of thing
shouldn't happen.) What is up with such comments? In more controversial threads, it's to be expected. Do sarcasm and concurring opinions always have to be clearly labeled, though? (In the former case, my use of "disorder" was slight exaggeration for effect, given our society's current mania for the label. But it just so happens that it fits the angry-letter description perfectly. Unfortunately, by the end of that second angry letter, a rather intriguing thread on a non-dire matter has been killed by hostility.)
posted by raysmj to Etiquette/Policy at 7:32 PM PST - 3 comments
Want Ad: Music Loving Weblogger
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We cannot offer any financial rewards, however we can get you almost any new CD (indie or otherwise) that you require. Also the page receives many more hits than the average weblog, and we can post links to your other projects. We're looking for someone to update daily (or close to it) during the week. Must have a love of international underground pop music. Thanks!
please contact chaz bartok
if you are interested.
posted by chaz to General Weblog-Related at 7:51 AM PST - 11 comments
Were the end of this thread
a football match, yellow cards woudl be shown. Were it an ice hockey game, there'd be penalties. Within MetaFilter, it's really not on.
posted by holgate to Etiquette/Policy at 3:16 PM PST - 4 comments
How about a Statute of Limitations on double-posts? jpoulos just posted a link
that turns out to be a double-post from something from April 2000. Sure, he should have done the search, but is there a point where something has slipped out of our collective conscious long enough that it can be seen afresh?
posted by briank to Etiquette/Policy at 12:44 PM PST - 12 comments
i have this tendancy to sit on mefi's home page and just reload every now and then for new comments. (am i alone?) anyway, i notice that when you leave the site and revisit, you get a different tally of what comments are "new", but when you stay and reload, what was new last time is still considered a "new" comment (with newer ones added onto what was there previously).
my idea is to change the code such that when you reload the page, the "new" comments for a user are updated as when you leave and revisit the site. i don't know the algorithm you're using matt, so i don't know if this even feasible or not, or if anyone else would want the behavior to change.
posted by moz to Feature Requests at 10:30 AM PST - 9 comments
I can't seem to logout of MeFi using the logout button. The only way seems to be for me to manually delete the cookie. If I don't, then the next time I enter MeFi, or if I refresh the page, I remain logged in.
I am currently using a pretty crappy old shared PC running MSIE 5.01 and Win95. Could this be my problem?
posted by davehat to Bugs at 8:50 AM PST - 14 comments
Blog of the Moment
? Perhaps you could randomly cycle through the user database and highlight a blog every 10 minutes or so, like at the top of the sideblog. It may be a way to temper the urge to self-link.
posted by owillis to Feature Requests at 4:04 PM PST - 14 comments
Recently I discovered that I was mysteriously unable to access MeFi from my home peecee running Win98. I keep getting server timeouts. I tried Netscape 4.74, 6, and even IE to no avail. I didn't see this problem until recently.
At work I've got an O2 and a Dell laptop running IRIX and NT4.0 respectively. Both systems are running Netscape 4.74 and I seem to be able to access MeFi just fine.
Is this a problem with cookies, or a sinister plot to drive Win98 lusers like me insane? Please, give me another reason to hate this OS.
posted by MrBaliHai to Bugs at 7:29 AM PST - 5 comments
Today is "go to jail" theme day! I hope everyone got their postcards in the mail alerting them to this fact, and I hope you all wore your jail yard stripes to work like we agreed on.
Isn't it funny how an odd trend can pop up out of thin air and start charging?
posted by mathowie to Etiquette/Policy at 2:27 PM PST - 43 comments
I don't know where else to put this: If you work for a major media company that is repurposing analog content into the digital media, then please pass a note to your people that a) when a caption says "Left, Joe Blow" in analog form, it might need editing in digital form, particularly as considering how Joe may now be to the right, top or bottom of the caption, or Joe's picture may not be there at all, leading to b) Please, if you feel the need to print stories like "Calvin Klein was hit with a pie, as shown in the picture above" please show the picture above. Very frustrating. I know you old media people are too cheap to pay photographers that little bit extra to use their pictures online, too, but it makes no sense to then go ahead and pay the writer for a story that is near useless without the photo.
posted by Mo Nickels to General Weblog-Related at 10:52 AM PST - 13 comments
Can someone put a tag on the front page?
Everything after the description of the very first entry is now in italics.
posted by rosvicl to Bugs at 6:33 AM PST - 11 comments
I'm posting here because I knew this would be way out of line for a front page post, but I am desperate....
I need to find as many copies of this album
as possible, on vinyl.
does anyone happen to have a few dozen laying around? Or any good ideas when I could find some either online or off...? And relatively CHEAP?! I've tried ebay and some cutout companies...ebay is too slow... I've found two.... and cut out places are too expensive... $8.00 a copy!!! with maybe 10% off for bulk.
Its for a good cause.... Sorry if I've ruffled any feathers with this post...but any help would be appreciated.
posted by darkpony to Etiquette/Policy at 3:23 PM PST - 21 comments
Someting simple, actually (I hope). On the front page of MeFi, if you're not logged in, the member count is 9342. When you're logged in the member count is 9075.
posted by pnevares to Bugs at 8:20 AM PST - 8 comments
So, is a repeat topic deleted? I posted a comment on a topic that had been revealed as a repeat. About a minute later, the thing didn't exist. Poof!
Either Matt is really on top of things, or there's some kind of cool scripting going on that I need to know about.
posted by goto11 to Etiquette/Policy at 12:17 PM PST - 10 comments
Of all the cheap rhetorical tactics employed here, I think my favorite is "you people are sick and this conversation is beneath me, so I'm not participating except to note this fact" (#1
posted by rcade to Etiquette/Policy at 10:27 AM PST - 32 comments
a tiny problem with the rss feed
-- some xml parsers (particularly expat, the parser used inside mozilla and perl's XML::Parser, require that the '' appear at the very beginning of the file. it seems like an overly strict reading of the spec to me, but there you are. kudos for adding the feed, in any case!
posted by jimw to Bugs at 9:23 PM PST - 3 comments
I keep getting the following when accessing Metatallk:
Error Occurred While Processing Request
Error Diagnostic Information
An error has occurred.
HTTP/1.0 404 Object Not Found
Please inform the site administrator that this error has occurred (be sure to include the contents of this page in your message to the administrator).
Any idea why?
posted by ParisParamus to Bugs at 9:28 PM PST - 13 comments
For the past week or so, I've been browsing by "recent comments," which seems to work the best for me. However today I switched to "date" to check out what I've been missing and was surprised to see that there was quite a bit of very interesting links that I had missed.
It seems that the really chatty topics are the ones I've been seeing, but the really interesting links were in the date filter.
Anyway to make the side-bar customizable to add the feed of date or recent comments? Not that it's all that difficult to switch between the two, but it would be nifty to be able to look at both at the same time.
posted by chaz to Feature Requests at 5:38 AM PST - 14 comments
So the FreeSpeech
guy came back today. For those that have never heard of him, he's also PrivateParts
, and PatMcGroin
among other accounts.
In the past, I've deleted his most inflammatory posts and banned his IP range and accounts. His real name is Mike Allen, and he works as a temp, so he gets a new IP range with every new job. I know he lives in LA, and I've been told he's a 36 year old guy that lives to fuck with chat rooms and message boards.
He contends that I'm a "self-righteous left wing politically correct little prick who cant take a fucking joke on your precious site" and that I'm a censorship nazi that can't handle his right wing views. He calls Aaron
a pussy and claims that aaron is a moderate (I pointed out that there are non-abrasive right wing members of MetaFilter that never get banned).
His email is firstname.lastname@example.org
and I don't know what the fuck to do about him. I just told him to stop, but he basically told me to fuck off and he'd keep it up forever and that the site deserves to be torn down by him.
He's the user I always feared existed. The freak with unlimited time and not a care in the world, someone that would do anything in their power to destory whatever you've built. Someone that won't listen to reason, and doesn't care to debate anything.
What the fuck am I supposed to do? I'm tired of following around and picking up his messes these past few months, and I don't want give up and let him win, but what else is there to do?
posted by mathowie to Etiquette/Policy at 10:59 PM PST - 71 comments
Uh-oh Zach's got another stupid idea...
A thought that has apparently been percolating in my head just surfaced: MeFi Primer: How Best To Post
Of course, I don't know how, so I'm asking for input... [more]
posted by ZachsMind to MetaFilter-Related at 1:50 AM PST - 23 comments
Is it appropriate to post non-English links
to the front page? For the majority of MeFites, it's equivalent to a linkless post, no? Or worse: In this case, at least there was no warning until the very end of the comment, so I'm sure many wasted their time clicking a useless link. But hey, maybe everyone here speaks French but me.
posted by mw to Etiquette/Policy at 6:10 PM PST - 26 comments
I voted for all of the essays, but when I went to check my votes with the provided link, it claimed I had not voted for any essays. Is the problem a bug or just me?
posted by CRS to Bugs at 7:11 AM PST - 5 comments
I think Lance finally hit upon
the perfect motto:
"Like a great train wreck involving hundreds dead in a chemical spill that strips the skin off babies and puppies and makes the entire population collectively vomit up blood, I keep coming back to look some more."
posted by jga to MetaFilter-Related at 3:22 PM PST - 22 comments
The huddled masses are getting desperate!
I received the following e-mail yesterday:
To:email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com
Since 'Metafilter' aint accepting new users I thought I'd
write to a bunch of you. Someone please post my comments
Heres my take on MaryRomantic (Mary Terry):
Read the part about the gift and the 'snag-points'
Also think about the fact that she's asking for something
unattainable in men (IE no one will ever fit her profile). And the fact that she only meets them
in public and that she ultimately has the full power to say, "Sorry! I don't think YOU are 'him', Goodbye" !
That is after She has obtained the GIFT.
Look at this statement:
[. No matter what kind of other strange message I may hear on your answering machine, even if it sounds as though you won't be around until way past our appointed date time, I'll know that that kind of message doesn't pertain to me, ]
This makes ME believe as though ALOT of men have gotten thru to her answering machine and those are the strange messages.
The fact that she's jobless and unmarried leads me to the following:
Mary is a grifter! In the same fashion as Robert Blakes wife was.
She has men meet her somewhere, probably where her real boyfriend
is hiding behind a bush, gets her 'gift' and chats with him for a few minutes and since she has the authority in the say so of the meeting
she tells him she needs to think about him and she'll contact HIM!
She never does and goes on to the next sucker thats lined up in a few minutes somewhere else.
The men are too ashamed that they fell for this that they don't dare discuss it with friends or go to the cops.
If the gift is $100.00, she could make a nice income off of this grifting!
Just my observations.
PS Ed? I thought the same thing about LRonHubbard and her site. LOL
posted by ParisParamus to MetaFilter-Related at 8:34 PM PST - 9 comments
Editing weirdness. Is it just my lack of standards compliant browser (all I ask for is a browser that is compliant, supports imap mail and runs on linux) or what? Tried to post a comment and previewed. Last night there was nothing to edit "below" and back erased everything. Today at one point I could edit below, then I couldn't although back left text in place. Neither seems to be true here (talk not mefi).
posted by noether to Bugs at 6:51 PM PST - 6 comments
Why I suddenly haven't any posting rights for the main page, allthough I've already posted and commented different threads?
So, maybe one of you could announce this link for me:
ReBlogger is a blogvoices alternative.
posted by ronsens to MetaFilter-Related at 11:53 PM PST - 3 comments
Everything I Know I Learned at MetaFilter. I am amazed at how many of the little knowledge bits I pass on each day to friends, family and co-workers I originally came across on MeFi. It is a rare day that I do not access the site multiple times. Truly addictive.
But I feel like a bit of a leech though...always lurking and rarely posting. I'd like to hear the experiences of other habitual users who tiptoe around the fringe...are we legion or merely the non-vocal minority? Community members or parasite?
posted by tdstone to MetaFilter-Related at 8:12 PM PST - 9 comments
Has anyone noticed that a lot of the links people are building have http://www.metafilter.com crammed in front? I don't have specfic examples, but I've seen it at least four times.
posted by machaus to Bugs at 4:00 PM PST - 13 comments
Would anybody care for some toast
? I just posted a remark to a thread about the weather toaster, saying that I thought two other posts on said toaster had already been deleted this week
. And now that thread has been deleted as well. I got over the toaster thing when it was first discussed on MeFi before
, and apparently so did others. I can understand wanting to get rid of redundant posts, but if we delete them, some people aren't going to realize that the subject has already been discussed.
posted by harmful to MetaFilter-Related at 12:53 PM PST - 4 comments
Ok, consider me confused. For the last 20 mins or so that I've been looking at MeFi & MeTa the addresses as they stand in my favorites list, www.metafilter.com & metatalk.metafilter.com, give me zilch & the MetaFilter homepage respectively. On the other hand www.metafilter.com/index.cfm & metatalk.metafilter.com/index.cfm produce the index pages as I expect. For one godawful moment when I first tried to access MeFi I thought that it was down again. Spare me the anguish.
posted by MUD to Bugs at 11:38 AM PST - 2 comments
There have been more than a few times when I wanted to one of those "Does anyone know...?" type of questions to the community, and I couldn't think of an appropriate place for it. Asking a question on the front page seemed like a dumb idea (and one that would open me to ridicule), and I couldn't think of a proper place to put it on MetaTalk. So how 'bout a link on the front page that sez Ask MetaFilter. Click on it, you can ask a question ("Does anyone know...?"), and generate a discussion.
Granted, it could be abused by smartasses and idiots, but I think the community on the whole would swiftly punish actions like that.
There are a bunch of smart people here with very different backgrounds and educations, and I think something like this could be very cool and simple to implement.
posted by RakDaddy to Feature Requests at 8:34 AM PST - 9 comments
I'm sorry if this has been posted before, but I couldn't find any reference to it. I've been wondering, how is one supposed to pronounce "MeFi"? Most abbreviations exist in a pronounced form as well as written. But "meffy" just sounds really weird to me. Does this ever come up when people talk about the site face to face? :-)
posted by caveday to MetaFilter-Related at 4:41 AM PST - 40 comments
I like the fact that posters can leave HTML tags unclosed and that other people come along and "save" the page. It builds communty strength. Even if a way is devised to automatically close tags, I vote against implementing it.
(and I don't like that I am incapable of editing copy on a computer screen and don't notice errors until it's too late.)
posted by ParisParamus to MetaFilter-Related at 2:22 PM PST - 16 comments
Looking for someone out there who knows the ins and outs of greymatter... Jonathan is having issues with it and photographica.org
. It's choking on the update of the index page. He managed to get it going for a short while this morning, but when he tried to delete the dupes and test messages, it choked again. From the backside, off the greymatter control panel, it looks like people's entries are being saved, but the main page just isn't getting updated.
Can you help?
posted by crunchland to General Weblog-Related at 8:24 PM PST - 2 comments
Yes, I'm working on it. Here's a mockup
of the front page as it might appear, and I'm coding the guts of the site this week. Once things are up and ready for content, I'm sure the front page will change. It's a bit too sparse at the top, and I don't know if the mockup design lends itself well to revists, it looks too first-time-visitor to me.
But I'm working on it.
posted by mathowie to Ticketstub Project at 11:08 PM PST - 11 comments
There is much poignancy seeping between the posts in Paris' "Mel Brooks comment on Hitler" thread. And I must say, because of, well, Paris bringing it up. It may be most important to argue with how one feels emotionally on Mel Brooks' statement, but the sum here is definitely more robust than its parts. I thought everybody's posts lent to deepening the discussion and I've found the thread, thus far, very moving.
This miniscule, though very public conversation is yet another example of humanity working through issues that somehow hypothetically we all will go through, whether in fact we actually do or not. Thanks to Paris for bringing it up and sticking to his guns. And like I said, whether I agree with him or not.
This is pure MetaFilter!
posted by crasspastor to MetaFilter-Related at 8:39 PM PST - 3 comments
Okay, we've discussed it before, but now having looked at the stats for the last couple of months, ADs are a real possibility. Last I checked the average AD payout was $1 ever 1000 page views. Now, with MeFi getting over 5,000,000 a month, that's $5000 a month in revenue. That could keep Matt happy all year round and MeFi up for life. Comments?
posted by Neale to MetaFilter-Related at 7:29 PM PST - 14 comments
I notice that all of the timestamps say 9:34 PST and yet in the Pacific time zone it's definitely Pacific Daylight Time (PDT). Is that right? Is it actually corrected PST (which doesn't take into account daylight savings time so as not to confuse some of our International and Arizonan friends) or the wrong PST (which is actually PDT but was just stuck on there cuz it's cool).
posted by fooljay to Bugs at 11:59 PM PST - 7 comments
Following up on a previous thread
, I just posted something with a link to the NYTimes, and it apparently got filtered to channel.nytimes.com... which would be fine except that channel.nytimes.com is reachable. I tried to post a correction before I realized the filtering was at fault, and the correction got filtered too. Then Rebecca tried to post a working URL and hers also got filtered. Needless to say, this adds a lot of noise to the thread. I would vastly prefer the URL to remain to www.nytimes.com; perhaps the filter could instead follow up the post automatically with a link that says "if you want to avoid registration, try this link instead" with a link to channel, so that the content of the post isn't altered?
I wonder if the Times has closed the channel back door, or if the server's temporarily down?
posted by litlnemo to Bugs at 9:34 PM PST - 7 comments
Considering all the hub-bub we keep getting about vets VS oldies, signal-to-noise, volume posters, etc, I just finished wasting a huge volume of time crunching the may stats based on individual posters - all 310 of 'em. For whatever it's worth, take a look at what the numbers say about who's posting what and how successfully. info inside
posted by Perigee to MetaFilter-Related at 2:43 PM PST - 15 comments
say ... any intentions on a MeFi store? nothing big... maybe shirts or mousepad... : ) ... they could even be handed out as prizes..(for what? .. beats me... but hey.. its late. and im tired)
posted by a11an to Feature Requests at 7:59 PM PST - 9 comments
I feel so darn tootin' speshul -- I just recieved my first MeFi hate mail, anonymous
or otherwise! Do I get a prize?
Should I be commending perogi
for at least signing the email? Or are hate mailers still cowards for not spewing publicly on MeFi or MeTa?
posted by lia to Etiquette/Policy at 12:16 AM PST - 21 comments