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With enormous compassion and respect for the work of moderators on this site, and an understanding that the intent is to avoid polarizing and exhausting debate, I want to ask that we consider the impact of the defacto policy of deleting almost all posts that relate to Palestine and/or Israel.
posted by latkes to MetaTalk on May 25 at 10:26 AM
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I occasionally see comments about youtube being blocked by region. There are ways for posters/commentors to check preemptively, or for the site to do so with some dev work.
posted by Chrysopoeia to MetaTalk on May 31 at 10:32 AM
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Ever since reading this FPP, I've been thinking about people I've met with unusual names. How about you?
posted by annieb to MetaTalk on May 27 at 7:31 AM
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Hello all! At my current job, I am on call this week which they define as "work 40, plus any pages that come in after hours." It's actually not as bad as it sounds. But, since it has me up late at night for no good reason, what's your story about a weird/long/exhausting work schedule? Or the best work schedule you have had that would seem odd to someone who is used to a regular 9-5? Or... whatever!
posted by a non mouse, a cow herd to MetaTalk on Jun 3 at 12:09 AM
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I just wanted to point out that scarabic's body disposal advice took a star turn in the pilot episode of Scream Queens.
posted by leotrotsky to MetaTalk on Sep 24, 2015 at 10:27 AM
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Way up at the top of the thread, skewed left the following comment: The issue isn’t some weird quirk or failing of MF as a whole, it’s just a decision that we don’t tolerate discussion of contentious subjects unless there is a fairly well established orthodoxy among MF posters, e.g., gun control or abortion. Outside of the orthodoxy, you can... [more]
posted by Tom Hanks Cannot Be Trusted to MetaTalk on May 29 at 5:04 AM
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The equation of having conflict about an issue with "not doing something well" is directly linked to the culture of the site and to the reason why I/P discussion is disallowed. Metafilter is a bastion of a particular kind of left-liberalism which runs on a collective fantasy that We The Smart People Have Figured It All Out and its... [more]
posted by derrinyet to MetaTalk on Jun 1 at 3:54 PM
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I don’t think this thread needs a discussion of TERFs on top of everything else. [view]
posted by GenjiandProust to MetaTalk on May 29 at 10:30 AM
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In disability discussions, I've heard of a thing called "access clash", where two groups of people with different disabilities need opposite things. For instance, people with migraines or certain types of neurodivergence might need low lights in an area to make it tolerable, where people with limited vision might need better lighting to... [more]
posted by gentlyepigrams to MetaTalk on May 28 at 1:57 PM
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Many here have articulated, and this thread demonstrates, that discussions on Palestine and Israel are often controversial and result in conflict. We all agree there. But metafilter has changed moderation style on most conflict-producing topics over the years. Current policy means posts representing the perspective of people impacted by high... [more]
posted by latkes to MetaTalk on May 29 at 6:39 AM
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I would like to point out very gently that for some of us, "old grievance" doesn't feel like the correct word for situations that are still ongoing. I believe that what philip-random was talking about wasn't "The historical forces that have caused the current states of Israel and Palestine to exist in their current... [more]
posted by Etrigan to MetaTalk on May 30 at 10:42 AM
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I’m coming in to this discussion late – it’s been the Jewish holiday of Shavuot and I’m only just back online. I'm pretty sure there were two I/P posts within about week of each other. One was deleted and the other wasn't. I think calling this a blanket ban is part of the problem, and also part of why this MeTa has so many comments. The... [more]
posted by Mchelly to MetaTalk on May 27 at 11:43 PM
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I'm concerned about the comments here claiming this thread is a shitshow or unmanageable or the like. This thread has seem reasonably measured and respectful about a charged topic, and emotion is not always "bad" or unproductive. Disagreement and respectful conflict are not bad or to be avoided. I think a lot of users and moderators of... [more]
posted by lapis to MetaTalk on May 27 at 9:53 AM
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The idea that MetaFilter has some specific characteristic that makes it “bad” at discussing Israel/Palestine has always struck me as ridiculous. I/P discussions are contentious and emotional everywhere that has open and free discussion. The issue isn’t some weird quirk or failing of MF as a whole, it’s just a decision that we don’t tolerate... [more]
posted by skewed to MetaTalk on May 26 at 3:07 PM
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To draw back towards latkes' request, I think the comments since Mchelly's comment of about 12 hours ago illustrate some of the challenges. Mchelly made a solid case for the complexity of the issue and the difficulty of addressing it on a site like this. She also advanced her views about Israel/Palestine, which was a derail, because this is a MeTa... [more]
posted by GenjiandProust to MetaTalk on May 28 at 12:11 PM
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A couple deleted by poster's request (plus response). This is unfortunate because it was an extremely informative post, hinting at recovering from childhood religious indoctrination. It also inadvertently exposed the other elephant in the room, which is conservative American support of modern Israel as both an anti-Semitic solution to... [more]
posted by Brian B. to MetaTalk on May 29 at 7:38 AM
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The comparison to trans is telling, consider if we tried to have a calm balanced discussion between the trans and the terf communities. I feel the analogy breaks down here; the two 'sides' of the Israel/Palestine debate are not quite as cleanly just a group of people, and a group of people whose entire raison d'etre is opposing the... [more]
posted by Dysk to MetaTalk on May 29 at 9:37 AM
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Detlev is a totally normal German name! As is Uwe. Olive is a totally normal, popular English name - there are two in my son’s class of 25 kids. Marie pronounced “Marr-ee” is an Irish thing. The “spelling of a name versus the actual pronunciation aren't even close to resembling each other and are completely anti-intuitive” is something people... [more]
posted by tinkletown to MetaTalk on May 30 at 6:13 AM
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leads to people nursing grudges that they use as an excuse to pick new fights for literally years. (We have that happening IN THIS THREAD about a discussion from SIX YEARS AGO!) in the conflict resolution/management world there's a phrase that's relevant to this: "You cannot negotiate the past." And in my experience, it... [more]
posted by philip-random to MetaTalk on May 29 at 3:11 PM
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We had a huge thread about this, where a lot of Jewish members spoke up about how attacking and dismissing one (admittedly loud and reactionary) member who spoke up impacted us, and how we would like to see better from the site, and the main result of that thread seems to be that at least a few of those Jewish posters, including the poster and... [more]
posted by grobstein to MetaTalk on May 28 at 9:48 AM
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I mean I think that demo, socio, and geographic position might significantly color this sort of list. [view]
posted by chasles to MetaTalk on May 27 at 11:27 AM
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But that takes work on our part to remember that no one’s murder is okay, period. Yes, I will say that I do think you are part of the problem. This is such a massive and incredibly insulting strawman and it's just one I picked out of many in your comment. They may be eloquently put, but comments like the above are equating centering... [more]
posted by Rock 'em Sock 'em to MetaTalk on May 28 at 3:54 AM
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Hi, it's the the mod who was handling the thread and made the decision to first leave it up and then delete it. As a longtime user of the site and the newest mod, the I/P threads have a longstanding dynamic where there is little ability for the participants to either ignore or let the other side say or do something. The reasons for that are... [more]
posted by Brandon Blatcher to MetaTalk on May 26 at 6:43 AM
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The question remains, IMO, what good is being done for the site in terms of having these posts? Because it can be and has been done properly in the past -- so why not now? MetaFilter shouldn't have to be some nerfed out safe-for-toddlers padded playground with swing sets no taller than 6 feet. Some topics are hard topics but...... [more]
posted by y2karl to MetaTalk on May 30 at 6:13 PM
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You all know a Tiara now, hello. People kept making the same joke about the Malaysian actress (Tiara Jacquelina) that shared my name (even the Prime Minister at the time made the same joke), then I actually met the woman through a mutual friend's event. She didn't believe me at first, then when I showed her my ID she assumed I was named... [more]
posted by creatrixtiara to MetaTalk on May 28 at 9:53 PM
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