Anonymous MeFi troll duels with self. Loses. January 15, 2002 9:43 AM Subscribe
Anonymous MeFi troll duels with self. Loses. Seems apparent that moolafoo is trying to piss someone off here, but who? Darkaru? Metafilter? America? Granny? Ah well, doesn't matter anyway: he namedropped Hitler earlier in the thread, so according to Godwin the troll-attempt was dead on arrival.
Dead on arrival indeed. Then later on he drives a stake through the corpse's heart by invoking McCarthyism. Bravo!
It's like watching a two-year-old who is feeling ignored. Someone needs a nap! Or perhaps a spanking, but even I have my limits.
posted by Skot at 9:59 AM on January 15, 2002
It's like watching a two-year-old who is feeling ignored. Someone needs a nap! Or perhaps a spanking, but even I have my limits.
posted by Skot at 9:59 AM on January 15, 2002
So what's up with moolafoo and frasermoo? If you check out moo's comments, two are in threads started by frasermoo, one is particularly offensive, and this last, desperate cry for attention started as support for some comments by frasermoo. Hmm, and there's another guy named beasty whose userid is just one less than moolafoo's, who seems to be tied up with them.
I say off with their heads. The only thing worse than a troll is a troll with multiple userids.
posted by donnagirl at 10:14 AM on January 15, 2002
I say off with their heads. The only thing worse than a troll is a troll with multiple userids.
posted by donnagirl at 10:14 AM on January 15, 2002
I'm sure Matt logs IP addresses and could find out quickly if it's the same person. It would be kind of sad and bizarre if it is one person, why the hell would they go to all that trouble?
posted by insomnyuk at 10:23 AM on January 15, 2002
posted by insomnyuk at 10:23 AM on January 15, 2002
Wow. After reading that thread, it looks like a tag team between them.
posted by insomnyuk at 10:31 AM on January 15, 2002
posted by insomnyuk at 10:31 AM on January 15, 2002
trust me it's not the same person. If you check, I am a consistent and bonafide convert of MeFi.
I know them as friends, they are good sorts, and often if there is a thread of interest, I tell them about it. They are passionate, and I think there is room for passion. N'est pas?
Beasty and moolafoo came in when I told them about my hangover thread, hence their ID's being close together.
Actually, I'm shocked at the multiple user ID theory. give me some credit.
posted by Frasermoo at 10:33 AM on January 15, 2002
I know them as friends, they are good sorts, and often if there is a thread of interest, I tell them about it. They are passionate, and I think there is room for passion. N'est pas?
Beasty and moolafoo came in when I told them about my hangover thread, hence their ID's being close together.
Actually, I'm shocked at the multiple user ID theory. give me some credit.
posted by Frasermoo at 10:33 AM on January 15, 2002
Whether it's you or your friends, ganging up to hijack a thread to a particular viewpoint is uncalled for.
posted by walrus at 10:43 AM on January 15, 2002
posted by walrus at 10:43 AM on January 15, 2002
'ganging up' and 'hijacking' ?
my comments are my own buddy and I have no control over moolafoo (i wish he hadn't put moo in his name) and beasty.
anywho, if people have the same viewpoint, and friends often do and they are expressing together is that really hijacking?
methinks memories are short with Mr.Walrus, for thou should check here for classic ganging up.
posted by Frasermoo at 10:53 AM on January 15, 2002
my comments are my own buddy and I have no control over moolafoo (i wish he hadn't put moo in his name) and beasty.
anywho, if people have the same viewpoint, and friends often do and they are expressing together is that really hijacking?
methinks memories are short with Mr.Walrus, for thou should check here for classic ganging up.
posted by Frasermoo at 10:53 AM on January 15, 2002
To get back to the topic at hand, namely moolafoo:
ASOK obviously eats lentils and wears a kaftan . . .
You from your reply makes me believe you are a sanctimonious 'do-gooder' . . .
Derek you read American to me . . .
I feel I have watered them down enough for the American masses . . .
This is hardly expressing a viewpoint. It's bomb-throwing. It's not even good bomb-throwing, either. What a drag.
posted by Skot at 11:06 AM on January 15, 2002
ASOK obviously eats lentils and wears a kaftan . . .
You from your reply makes me believe you are a sanctimonious 'do-gooder' . . .
Derek you read American to me . . .
I feel I have watered them down enough for the American masses . . .
This is hardly expressing a viewpoint. It's bomb-throwing. It's not even good bomb-throwing, either. What a drag.
posted by Skot at 11:06 AM on January 15, 2002
(i wish he hadn't put moo in his name)
"...then I/we wouldn't have been caught."
Smote! Smote! Smote! Smote!
posted by jpoulos at 11:15 AM on January 15, 2002
"...then I/we wouldn't have been caught."
Smote! Smote! Smote! Smote!
posted by jpoulos at 11:15 AM on January 15, 2002
My memory unfortunately doesn't extend to threads I didn't read. As for my hyperbole, duly noted but I still think you were both being vituperative in the thread for no particular reason.
posted by walrus at 11:24 AM on January 15, 2002
posted by walrus at 11:24 AM on January 15, 2002
They are passionate, and I think there is room for passion.
Yeah, I guess. It probably helped us propagate the species somewhere along the line. But in MeFi, as in many other walks of life, it helps if you channel your passion a bit instead of just letting it rip at generalised and preconceived 'easy' targets such as all Americans being stupid and anyone who doesn't agree with violence being a hippy. If I wanted that kind of input I'd go to MetaPubBore.
posted by MUD at 11:33 AM on January 15, 2002
Yeah, I guess. It probably helped us propagate the species somewhere along the line. But in MeFi, as in many other walks of life, it helps if you channel your passion a bit instead of just letting it rip at generalised and preconceived 'easy' targets such as all Americans being stupid and anyone who doesn't agree with violence being a hippy. If I wanted that kind of input I'd go to MetaPubBore.
posted by MUD at 11:33 AM on January 15, 2002
i must say the use of sexual swear words is not something that i find attractive.
darukaru is entitled to his opinions, but making derogatory statements about particular members is not good for the community.
i have looked up the word 'jerk' via dictionary.com, which provided me with various definitions, none of which were as negative as i had feared. this is the most negative one:
jerk: Slang. A foolish, rude, or contemptible person.
some things i write here may well be contemptible to you, however i believe moolafoo and Frasermoo have proved to be more rude and foolish than myself in this instance.
providing this response (in this style) will probably *prove* my jerk status, so in the spirit of reconciliation;
All Points Bulletin-
Are there any hippies in the London UK area who feel that they could provide the oral stimulation that Frasermoo thinks is missing in his life right now?
posted by asok at 11:36 AM on January 15, 2002
darukaru is entitled to his opinions, but making derogatory statements about particular members is not good for the community.
i have looked up the word 'jerk' via dictionary.com, which provided me with various definitions, none of which were as negative as i had feared. this is the most negative one:
jerk: Slang. A foolish, rude, or contemptible person.
some things i write here may well be contemptible to you, however i believe moolafoo and Frasermoo have proved to be more rude and foolish than myself in this instance.
providing this response (in this style) will probably *prove* my jerk status, so in the spirit of reconciliation;
All Points Bulletin-
Are there any hippies in the London UK area who feel that they could provide the oral stimulation that Frasermoo thinks is missing in his life right now?
posted by asok at 11:36 AM on January 15, 2002
I agree with walrus and MUD et al. Generalisations like this one - "scrapping is a way of life with Aussies and Kiwi's" ...are just pure troll bait, albeit so transparently so that it hardly qualifies.
posted by lucien at 11:40 AM on January 15, 2002
posted by lucien at 11:40 AM on January 15, 2002
Frasermoo: Surely when the point has already been made, especially amongst friends there is no need to express that viewpoint again. All this kind of back-slapping between people who know each other offline is completely unnecessary. Does it add anything to the thread?
"I have to agree with Frasermoo", "Thanks"
If this and the flaming wasn't enough, the "Whoops, got caught, have to try better next time" mentality spells trouble to me.
"these forums are for open discussion "
No this is a community last time I checked. Try living in one.
posted by DaRiLo at 12:07 PM on January 15, 2002
"I have to agree with Frasermoo", "Thanks"
If this and the flaming wasn't enough, the "Whoops, got caught, have to try better next time" mentality spells trouble to me.
"these forums are for open discussion "
No this is a community last time I checked. Try living in one.
posted by DaRiLo at 12:07 PM on January 15, 2002
I think if you know someone personally and keep agreeing with him you should at least own up to the relationship. Otherwise "me and my mates" posting gangs are almost as deceptive as multi-identity single posters.
A little disclosure is a wondrous thing.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 12:12 PM on January 15, 2002
A little disclosure is a wondrous thing.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 12:12 PM on January 15, 2002
so, if i've met, or have been at the same party as other MeFi users, or am related to or friends with them, Or if their blog links to me..... or if i read their blog/journal/me-zine?
i need to disclose it? Or only if they/i/we agree?
too much typing Miguel, don't you think? [and name dropping! think of the possibilities!]
When agreeing turns to bullying, i think it sort of transcends details like whether or not the people actually know each other, and it needs to be addressed--because it makes for a bad thread, bad arguements, bad logic, and lets face it...it is pretty damn boring.
posted by th3ph17 at 1:19 PM on January 15, 2002
i need to disclose it? Or only if they/i/we agree?
too much typing Miguel, don't you think? [and name dropping! think of the possibilities!]
When agreeing turns to bullying, i think it sort of transcends details like whether or not the people actually know each other, and it needs to be addressed--because it makes for a bad thread, bad arguements, bad logic, and lets face it...it is pretty damn boring.
posted by th3ph17 at 1:19 PM on January 15, 2002
darukaru -- why are you giving asok a hard time? I have read through the original thread and for the life of me, I'm mystified. Whatever it is, time-delayed name calling or insider-insults, I am left wondering where you learned your people skills.
For Frasermoo, if I had a friend like moolafoo, well I wouldn't have a friend like moolafoo. He seems abrasive and pompous and probably is not more likeable drunk. But I'm an American so what do I know about the attraction between those of superior intellect. At any rate, you should let him defend himself. You're not making yourself look more upstanding by explain the antics of a "good sort" who has managed to insult probably >80% of the MeFi population in 3 comments.
posted by dness2 at 1:20 PM on January 15, 2002
For Frasermoo, if I had a friend like moolafoo, well I wouldn't have a friend like moolafoo. He seems abrasive and pompous and probably is not more likeable drunk. But I'm an American so what do I know about the attraction between those of superior intellect. At any rate, you should let him defend himself. You're not making yourself look more upstanding by explain the antics of a "good sort" who has managed to insult probably >80% of the MeFi population in 3 comments.
posted by dness2 at 1:20 PM on January 15, 2002
dness2: fair enough. I was unfair and I apologize. Let's just say that I took offense to asok's characterization of Frasermoo as someone who beats people up at the drop of a hat.
posted by darukaru at 1:38 PM on January 15, 2002
posted by darukaru at 1:38 PM on January 15, 2002
too much typing Miguel, don't you think?
Yes, th3ph17, it is. You've convinced me. It would be like one of those interminable ASCII charts with everyone linked to everyone.
Sorry. It's the old "coming from a print background" that makes me make these stupid suggestions.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 1:41 PM on January 15, 2002
Yes, th3ph17, it is. You've convinced me. It would be like one of those interminable ASCII charts with everyone linked to everyone.
Sorry. It's the old "coming from a print background" that makes me make these stupid suggestions.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 1:41 PM on January 15, 2002
One day you'll miss not having me to kick around.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 2:18 PM on January 15, 2002
posted by MiguelCardoso at 2:18 PM on January 15, 2002
Just promise me there'll be no Checker's speech...OK, Miguel?
posted by y2karl at 2:28 PM on January 15, 2002
posted by y2karl at 2:28 PM on January 15, 2002
No, HE is MiguelCardoso.
anytime someone uses words like You've convinced me i become very skeptical. Something for me and a shrink to work out someday.
posted by th3ph17 at 2:31 PM on January 15, 2002
anytime someone uses words like You've convinced me i become very skeptical. Something for me and a shrink to work out someday.
posted by th3ph17 at 2:31 PM on January 15, 2002
so according to Godwin the troll-attempt was dead on arrival.
Godwin's Law simply states that 'as a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.'
No 'ha ha, you lose'; no 'ha - troll!'; no 'discussion over'. Indeed, the FAQ describes a 'thread over' response as 'one of the stupidest possible responses', and also discusses Quirk's Exception ('intentional invocation of this so-called "Nazi Clause" is ineffectual').
posted by obiwanwasabi at 2:34 PM on January 15, 2002
Godwin's Law simply states that 'as a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.'
No 'ha ha, you lose'; no 'ha - troll!'; no 'discussion over'. Indeed, the FAQ describes a 'thread over' response as 'one of the stupidest possible responses', and also discusses Quirk's Exception ('intentional invocation of this so-called "Nazi Clause" is ineffectual').
posted by obiwanwasabi at 2:34 PM on January 15, 2002
From the FAQ (emphasis added):
[Godwin's Law] means that somebody's eventually going to say something about the Nazis in any thread that lasts very long. When it happens, the thread is going to start either degenerating into a long flamewar over Nazi Germany or about Godwin's Law. Either way, the thread is effectively over, and you can safely killfile the thread and move on.
posted by coelecanth at 2:46 PM on January 15, 2002
[Godwin's Law] means that somebody's eventually going to say something about the Nazis in any thread that lasts very long. When it happens, the thread is going to start either degenerating into a long flamewar over Nazi Germany or about Godwin's Law. Either way, the thread is effectively over, and you can safely killfile the thread and move on.
posted by coelecanth at 2:46 PM on January 15, 2002
Jpoulos's Law: As a thread grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving MiguelCardoso or Jason Kottke approaches one.
posted by jpoulos at 3:16 PM on January 15, 2002
posted by jpoulos at 3:16 PM on January 15, 2002
Forget all you Miguel Cardosos, I am Inigo Montoya!
posted by headspace at 3:30 PM on January 15, 2002
posted by headspace at 3:30 PM on January 15, 2002
anytime someone uses words like You've convinced me i become very skeptical. Something for me and a shrink to work out someday.
No th3ph17, you were absolutely right. In a single printed article you have to declare your interests. I.e., if you're agreeing with a friend, you owe it to readers to mention it.
In a single comment,within a thread, it would be unbearable. For the reasons you pointed out. Specially if it had to be repeated. So it's not the same in the Press and in Metafilter.
You did convince me. That's not a sign of weakness or a reason for sarcasm on my part. It's just my comment was hastily thought out, whereas yours was based on empirical consequences.
If someone changes their mind thanks to another, surely both are to be applauded?
You don't need a shrink, th3ph17 - you're just patient and intelligent.
Like me. Apart from the patient, that is. :)
posted by MiguelCardoso at 4:14 PM on January 15, 2002
No th3ph17, you were absolutely right. In a single printed article you have to declare your interests. I.e., if you're agreeing with a friend, you owe it to readers to mention it.
In a single comment,within a thread, it would be unbearable. For the reasons you pointed out. Specially if it had to be repeated. So it's not the same in the Press and in Metafilter.
You did convince me. That's not a sign of weakness or a reason for sarcasm on my part. It's just my comment was hastily thought out, whereas yours was based on empirical consequences.
If someone changes their mind thanks to another, surely both are to be applauded?
You don't need a shrink, th3ph17 - you're just patient and intelligent.
Like me. Apart from the patient, that is. :)
posted by MiguelCardoso at 4:14 PM on January 15, 2002
ah, another morning at the 'ol hamster wheel.
to finish: my original comment on the thread about the guy getting slapped about was from me and I stand by my comment. If a friend of mine wants to back up a comment of mine and I wish to thank him I will. In fact I believe we all are familiar with a number of members on MeFiwho we could almost regard as friends, and you can't tell me there is not friendly interaction can you? (just look above here)
jpoulos, - you're "I/we we were caught" line senses of trouble stirring. I like it, but will not rise.
mooloafoo's fizzy responses are probably out of place but he is is his own man.
asok - if you read the comments, you have drawn first blood against me. yes i generalised against two countries and their way of life, but your first comment was slighted towards me. (my 'bite me hippy' comment was maybe rash, but at the time it was the easiest thing to write)
MUD - Question - why should there not be a voice for violence in society? I'm just asking, because every weekend there are men up and down the country who actually 'want' to fight. They enjoy it. Please note - I am just asking that question, not necessarily condoning violence.
Anywho. Has anyone thought of doing a MeFI London meeting?
posted by Frasermoo at 1:01 AM on January 16, 2002
to finish: my original comment on the thread about the guy getting slapped about was from me and I stand by my comment. If a friend of mine wants to back up a comment of mine and I wish to thank him I will. In fact I believe we all are familiar with a number of members on MeFiwho we could almost regard as friends, and you can't tell me there is not friendly interaction can you? (just look above here)
jpoulos, - you're "I/we we were caught" line senses of trouble stirring. I like it, but will not rise.
mooloafoo's fizzy responses are probably out of place but he is is his own man.
asok - if you read the comments, you have drawn first blood against me. yes i generalised against two countries and their way of life, but your first comment was slighted towards me. (my 'bite me hippy' comment was maybe rash, but at the time it was the easiest thing to write)
MUD - Question - why should there not be a voice for violence in society? I'm just asking, because every weekend there are men up and down the country who actually 'want' to fight. They enjoy it. Please note - I am just asking that question, not necessarily condoning violence.
Anywho. Has anyone thought of doing a MeFI London meeting?
posted by Frasermoo at 1:01 AM on January 16, 2002
Has anyone thought of doing a MeFI London meeting?
Yeah I keep meaning to start one off, but haven't got around to posting the thread yet. Should be a laugh as long as you don't hit me if I spill your pint ;-)
posted by walrus at 3:28 AM on January 16, 2002
Yeah I keep meaning to start one off, but haven't got around to posting the thread yet. Should be a laugh as long as you don't hit me if I spill your pint ;-)
posted by walrus at 3:28 AM on January 16, 2002
I'm not a fighter. Funnily enough both me and moolafoo have given up booze at the moment. That could explain a lot.
BTW, i just found out my dog died yesterday, so all this has paled into insignificance. No offence meant.
posted by Frasermoo at 4:08 AM on January 16, 2002
BTW, i just found out my dog died yesterday, so all this has paled into insignificance. No offence meant.
posted by Frasermoo at 4:08 AM on January 16, 2002
Sorry about your dog. Mine died last autumn, at over 18 years old. It's like losing a family member.
I was trying to make a joke in the last post by the way, not imply you were physically violent. Orange juice is perfectly acceptable, as long as I can slip a vodka in mine.
posted by walrus at 4:16 AM on January 16, 2002
I was trying to make a joke in the last post by the way, not imply you were physically violent. Orange juice is perfectly acceptable, as long as I can slip a vodka in mine.
posted by walrus at 4:16 AM on January 16, 2002
I diagnose multiple personality disorder.
-Dr. Bunny
posted by bunnyfire at 5:02 AM on January 16, 2002
-Dr. Bunny
posted by bunnyfire at 5:02 AM on January 16, 2002
Roses are red
Violets are blue
I'm a schizophrenic
and so am I
posted by Frasermoo at 5:57 AM on January 16, 2002
Violets are blue
I'm a schizophrenic
and so am I
posted by Frasermoo at 5:57 AM on January 16, 2002
Re Godwin's Law: There is a particularly enlightening FoRK post on this subject which references an article in Wired in which Mike Godwin explains the origins and the meaning of the law.
posted by gi_wrighty at 6:54 AM on January 16, 2002
posted by gi_wrighty at 6:54 AM on January 16, 2002
Sorry 'bout your dog, Fraser, it's sad when one of yours goes to Housepet Heaven.
But uh---
why should there not be a voice for violence in society?
I dunno that anyone said there shouldn't be. I have no problem with your teeming throngs of men just dying to pummel and be pummelled---as long as they fight **each other** and not just some shmuck they run into at a party and decide is too stupid not to have a black eye.
Is it irony or "irony" that this conversation is the one I'd've liked to see in the original thread, instead of the quick devolution into snarking and trolling that did happen? MetaFilter, how I love thee, let me count the ways.
posted by Sapphireblue at 9:38 AM on January 16, 2002
But uh---
why should there not be a voice for violence in society?
I dunno that anyone said there shouldn't be. I have no problem with your teeming throngs of men just dying to pummel and be pummelled---as long as they fight **each other** and not just some shmuck they run into at a party and decide is too stupid not to have a black eye.
Is it irony or "irony" that this conversation is the one I'd've liked to see in the original thread, instead of the quick devolution into snarking and trolling that did happen? MetaFilter, how I love thee, let me count the ways.
posted by Sapphireblue at 9:38 AM on January 16, 2002
Oh, and---is there a corrollary to Godwin's Law that involves the likelihood---nay, certainty---of a thread being hijacked by pedants the instant said law is invoked? I'm sure one of y'all can tell me :>
posted by Sapphireblue at 9:43 AM on January 16, 2002
posted by Sapphireblue at 9:43 AM on January 16, 2002
Frasermoo, there does indeed need to be an outlet for violence in society. I don't really want to get my teeth kicked in by some random in street because they've been bottling up their violent impulses for years. That doesn't necessarily mean that we have to be violent towards each other though.
Anyway, back to the point of this thread: being a lowest common denominator, provocative idiot for no discernible reason. I actually thought that your comment was you being flippant and not really worth bothering about. Even if it wasn't, at least it was short, sharp and to the point. It was just moolafoo weighing in with the blah, blah, blah and the over-decorated insults that made me want to add my two cents.
posted by MUD at 3:28 PM on January 16, 2002
Anyway, back to the point of this thread: being a lowest common denominator, provocative idiot for no discernible reason. I actually thought that your comment was you being flippant and not really worth bothering about. Even if it wasn't, at least it was short, sharp and to the point. It was just moolafoo weighing in with the blah, blah, blah and the over-decorated insults that made me want to add my two cents.
posted by MUD at 3:28 PM on January 16, 2002
the likelihood---nay, certainty---of a thread being hijacked by pedants the instant said law is invoked?
Hey, I never touched that kid.
posted by obiwanwasabi at 9:42 PM on January 16, 2002
Hey, I never touched that kid.
posted by obiwanwasabi at 9:42 PM on January 16, 2002
when I lived in Nottingham, I saw alot of unprovoked attacks on people, mainly students, and it really tainted my view on the city which was unfortunate. but if two guys want to chicken scratch with each other, then be my guests.
posted by Frasermoo at 12:53 AM on January 17, 2002
posted by Frasermoo at 12:53 AM on January 17, 2002
when I lived in Nottingham, I saw alot of unprovoked attacks on people
Really? Doesn't that place have a Sheriff or anything?
posted by rodii at 5:45 AM on January 17, 2002
Really? Doesn't that place have a Sheriff or anything?
posted by rodii at 5:45 AM on January 17, 2002
(Nottingham) castle, inhabited by the Sheriff of Nottingham in the middle ages was destroyed by fire and largely rebuilt about two centuries ago but part of the medieval walls and many subterranean passages remain. There is still a Sheriff of Nottingham, although this is now a civic office and he carries out his duties from the town hall rather than the Castle.The Castle is now a museum
posted by Frasermoo at 1:25 AM on January 18, 2002
posted by Frasermoo at 1:25 AM on January 18, 2002
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posted by darukaru at 9:56 AM on January 15, 2002