And wow Ctrl-F "verb nazi" in that thread is right out. Not even remotely cool.just poking my head in, *I* started that joke in the thread, and the people who ran with it were, AFAIK, riffing on the joke. The idea was that I called myself a nazi, then said 'People in the thread are calling me a nazi.' I subsequently favorited people who called me a nazi.
That thread's had some of the site's mouthiest, most argumentative people participating. People allowed to be that way... are gonna be that way.It's okay.
No what was ridiculous about the thread was "the people professing skepticism of Assange's guilt" jumped straight to conspiracy theories involving CIA black ops units influencing a famously neutral country before all the facts came out....And that another group of people immediately accused them of calling Assagne's accusers "sluts," even though no one in the thread had made any statements about the women or, their character, etc.
Just saw the title of this post. "Dirty tricks" is apparently the default for male computer nerds on the internet. Disgusting and utterly misogynic. Like famous men on power trips are totally unheard of. No, the sluts are in CIA's pocket amirite?There is nothing there about "the left" or "the right." No one had called the women "sluts" or anything remotely like that. In fact, no one had mentioned the CIA up until that point either. It's just an asshole threadshitter who may have misunderstood the title of the post but who in any case seems to have been determined to derail the thread (and who disappeared as soon as the warrant was rescinded).
Too bad you have a thread casually throwing around terms like "rape", "sluts", and "fucking a slave". Pretty nasty.Okay, first of all he was charged with rape. Second of all, no one called anyone a slut, someone sarcastically paraphrased Assange's defenders as using that term. The fucking a slave thing was some nonsense about Thomas Jefferson and whether or not he was a rapist because of his relationship with Sally Hemings, which was fairly absurd but kind of irrelevant to the thread.
but the molestation charge stands.It wasn't really "molestation" it was "ofredande" which can mean harassment, or something like that.
I was pointing out how disgusting it is to imply a conspiracy, and thus automatically mistrust the accusers, in the thread title. Which I didn't misunderstand, btw.I don't mean to be an ass, mr. marx, but either you misunderstood the title -- thinking that it was a reference to prostitution, aka 'Tricks,' -- or you deliberately misrepresented the nature of everything that had been said up to that point in the discussion.
So enlighten me, Mr Not-an-ass, who are supposed to be behind the dirty tricks? The scientologists? Space lizards?That's an interesting question, isn't it? You suggested the CIA.
Mistrusting alleged rape or molestation victims, as a default, may wind up some people who don't like that kind of thing. They may even use sarcasm to express their anger.Please don't be obtuse. Suggesting that the skepticism in that thread about the charges was due to a default mistrust of alleged rape victims is absurd. The skepticism was due to the existing long-running conflict between Assange and the US military and US government, their unsuccessful attempts to get other nations to cooperate with them in prosecuting Assagne for the intelligence leaks, and the US government's rich history of using false sexual accusations to smear perceived enemies of the state. In that context, with no additional details about the case other than the fact that he'd been charged out of the blue and a warrant was out for his arrest, most people in the thread expressed skepticism.
mr.marx does have a point in that there are real accusers, and enough details seem to have leaked out about them to suggest that someone close to the situation would be able to identify at least one of them as a real person with a real relationship to the accused.None of which was true when the story broke, or when mr. marx was writing his post. All that was known at that point was that someone who'd attracted the anger of the US military and intelligence community was suddenly charged with (as was understood at the time) two counts of rape and an outstanding arrest warrant had been issued, even though he'd never been questioned.
All suggestions that this is a "dirty trick" or anything of the sort (I'm pretty sure there was an early-thread reference to the C.I.A. hiring hookers, forgive me if I'm wrong)No, you're correct. What you seem to have missed is that it was mr. marx that made that first reference. Everyone else was talking about what he'd said, and by the time the thread reached its current length it was 'understood' that 'people' had been calling the girls 'sluts.'
Wikipedia: The Afghan War Diary.posted by ericb at 11:00 AM on August 23, 2010
Der Spiegel: Explosive Leaks Provide Image of War from Those Fighting It.
New York Times: Piecing Together the Reports, and Deciding What to Publish.
The Guardian: Afghan War Logs: What Did We Learn?
AP: WikiLeaks To Publish New Documents.
Wired: WikiLeaks Posts Mysterious ‘Insurance’ File".
posted by ODiV at 9:58 AM on August 21, 2010