Don't you just hate being called a liar?

October 8, 2003 1:09 PM

"Yeah, you just hate to link to those sorts of sites."

Don't you just hate being called a liar?
posted by Irontom to etiquette/policy at 1:09 PM (45 comments total)

I try to be an even-handed guy. Yes, I fail. But even when I loose my temper, I try to be honest. Additionally, I've never had any interaction that I can recall with xmutex.

So what's with the flip insinuation that I'm lying about why I posted what are, IMO, very low quality link sources?
posted by Irontom at 1:15 PM on October 8, 2003

[this is bad]
posted by adampsyche at 1:20 PM on October 8, 2003

Good God. A MeTa thread for every bitchy comment now?

You have to be willing to take a lump or two when your own post doesn't even meet your own standards. You made it clear that you would have preferred to have SOME source to include that wasn't horribly biased. If someone chimes in with a "yeah, dude," what's the big deal?

to paraphrase xmutex: if you hated to do it, why'd you do it? Did it ever occur to you that without an unbiased source, you might just be spreading someone else's horrible propaganda?
posted by scarabic at 1:21 PM on October 8, 2003

"So what's with the flip insinuation that [insert anything here]?"

Welcome to MetaFilter. After you've been here a while you'll understand that we're a bunch of snarky elitists who take out our frustrations on strangers and post stupid things without thinking them through.

Seriously. What's the issue here? That we shouldn't act this way? Okay, fine, we all agree we shouldn't act this way. But that's pretty much been the consensus for the last four years. And still we act this way. You want an apology? Apologies rarely count for crap around here, since we all go back on them a week later. Is this a plea for civility? That's a candle in the wind my friend, but good luck with it.

It used to be worse.

My advice? Unclench. If this is all he can lay on you, you win. That's the MeFi way.
posted by y6y6y6 at 1:29 PM on October 8, 2003

I did the same thing as jester69, that is, go through and see if you had a secret identity as a anti-abortion activist
but all the past posts seem even-handed. Whereas, xmutex is just permanently snarky, I wouldn't let it get you down.

Anecdote: There is a guy who stands outside my office building with a sandwich board covered in pictures of "bloody fetuses" (a lot of these photos are actually not from abortions) My office has absolutely nothing to do with abortions, but he just stands there, making sure that we all know he disapproves of women getting abortions for any reason. For this and similar reasons, I have become wary of anyone's opinion on abortion, other than people I actually know. Also I have become skeptical of photos of anything fetus related. I've come to realize that, right or wrong, it's one of the few things in the world I simply do not want to know anything about.
posted by milovoo at 1:37 PM on October 8, 2003

I didn't interpret it as calling you a liar, I just saw it as a snarky comment on your comment. It wasn't the nicest comment in the world, but I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill. As y6 says-- unclench!
posted by Shoeburyness at 2:22 PM on October 8, 2003

OMG - is this thread, referred to above, the origin of

WHAT.
THE.
FUCK.
MATT?
?

...or was Irontom already riffing on an existing meme?

If I get answers to this, I'll consider this MeTa thread to have been worthwhile.

Otherwise...
posted by soyjoy at 2:38 PM on October 8, 2003

post stupid things without thinking them through

I'll have you know that I put a lot of thought into my stupid comments. The stupider the comment, the harder I work to achieve such lows. Hell, I don't even post half of the comments I start for being too insightful. ;-P
posted by mischief at 2:43 PM on October 8, 2003

"is this thread, referred to above, the origin of"

Yep. Priceless.
posted by y6y6y6 at 2:55 PM on October 8, 2003

We need a new etiquette rule for MetaTalk: No complaints about how you personally are being treated. It's like a self-link -- wait for someone else to be offended on your behalf, and if that never happens, perhaps it wasn't the world-shattering act of cruelty you originally thought it was.
posted by rcade at 3:04 PM on October 8, 2003

Shut the fuck up, rcade.

/Waits . . .
posted by yerfatma at 3:24 PM on October 8, 2003

wait for someone else to be offended on your behalf

The problem with that is that few can be bothered until it's their own face that is slapped.
posted by rushmc at 3:28 PM on October 8, 2003

wait for someone else to be offended on your behalf
I second that emotion.
posted by dg at 3:29 PM on October 8, 2003

good idea, rcade, though it may be hard to implement.

There are a lot of member-to-member mechanics that need to go to the mat here (so to speak). Only some of them are personal attacks, or matters of "offense" though it's hard to draw the line between them. Especially when you're mad/indignant.
posted by scarabic at 3:40 PM on October 8, 2003

scarabic - I posted the substandard stuff because it contained something interesting to me, I thought it might be interesting to others, it was on the web, and I could find no other sources. As far as spreading agitprop goes, I attempted to be clear that I did not endorse any of the frothing that surrounds the actual detail that I was interested in. (as an aside, it's also interesting that none of the mainstream media picked it up - once again, I'm not trying to insinuate anything one way or the other - it's just interesting)

soyjoy - yeah, that was me. not my best moment, but it yielded a fun meme.

rcade and others - I wasn't trying to be shrill, or act like my panties were overly bunched up. The aforementioned panties were bunched a bit, mostly because I had tried, as I said above, to be clear that I wasn't endorsing any of the positions those organizations have staked out. He managed to get under my skin - sorry if I came off as throwing a tantrum. I've been trying to avoid those lately.
posted by Irontom at 3:54 PM on October 8, 2003

"No complaints about how you personally are being treated."

I disagree. I think the occasional "crying to mommy" thread keeps us honest.

On the one hand it reaffirms that shitting on someone with no good purpose or creativity is frowned on. And on the other hand it reaffirms that we need to wear a thicker skin if we want to play here.
posted by y6y6y6 at 3:55 PM on October 8, 2003

Irontom - are you sure you are not protesting too much?
posted by dg at 3:59 PM on October 8, 2003

Irontom - ok. The post wasn't perfect. But I wasn't complaining about it. Just thought you left yourself open to a little criticism, seemed to be aware of it, but then complained about it when it happened.

I think we'd all benefit from bringing the tone down a notch.
posted by scarabic at 4:03 PM on October 8, 2003

I think we'd all benefit from bringing the tone down a notch.

concert b-flat everyone.
posted by quonsar at 4:23 PM on October 8, 2003

Not only are you a liar, Irontom, you're also thin-skinned. A thin-skinned liar! Lying think-skinned liar.

Liar.
posted by xmutex at 4:40 PM on October 8, 2003

Damn it, you're certainly not think-skinned.
posted by xmutex at 4:44 PM on October 8, 2003

you just said he was. liar.
posted by quonsar at 4:51 PM on October 8, 2003

pants on fire!!!!!!
posted by quonsar at 4:52 PM on October 8, 2003

Matt, quonsar took my ball away!
posted by ed at 4:56 PM on October 8, 2003

shut up, xmutex.
posted by scarabic at 5:00 PM on October 8, 2003

Now that's just rude, don't you think?
posted by xmutex at 5:37 PM on October 8, 2003

concert b-flat everyone.

This one goes to 11.

(half steps, that is)
posted by namespan at 5:57 PM on October 8, 2003

Can't we all just get along and get back to talking about how evil Bush and Ashcroft are?
posted by Steve_at_Linnwood at 6:47 PM on October 8, 2003

<old fasioned joke setup>How evil are they?</old fasioned joke setup>
posted by namespan at 7:20 PM on October 8, 2003

I'm doing a fine job of defending you without your help ;)

sorry, no offense

Now back to the myriad evils of Bush, Ashcroft, and Steve_at_Linnwood.

Steve, will you jump in literally *anywhere* with your little pet mantras? If you think it's still clever, or was ever effective...
posted by scarabic at 7:26 PM on October 8, 2003

I thought it was funny, myself. The Steve comment, I mean.
posted by ashbury at 8:21 PM on October 8, 2003

To hell with the MetaFilter Scholarship, we need to start a fund to get some people around here laid.
posted by dg at 8:35 PM on October 8, 2003

'Snarky' has long been a lazy excuse for pointless asshole one-liners.

One of the things that sucks about Metafilter is how too many people keep trying to sound like fucking Holden Caulfield with the reflexive, callow cynicism.

goddammn phonies
posted by crunchburger at 8:49 PM on October 8, 2003

Ten points for "callow"!
posted by The God Complex at 8:56 PM on October 8, 2003

Well said, crunchburger.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 9:03 PM on October 8, 2003

PS - Does any sane, rational person actually ape Holden Caulfield? Talk about setting the bar low. I always thought the people here might fashion themselves after someone with a little more depth, maybe a nouveau (and entirely virtual) Djuna Barnes, complete with contempt for the oft-maligned public at large. Now, they might end up sounding like Holden Caulfield, but at least give their misguided, but lofty, goals the respect that they deserve!
posted by The God Complex at 9:20 PM on October 8, 2003

Fuck you.


Fuck you.


You're cool.


And fuck you.
posted by cohappy at 9:26 PM on October 8, 2003

trolls! the whole damn lot of you!
posted by insomnyuk at 9:42 PM on October 8, 2003

insomnyuk : trolls! the whole damn lot of you!

Praise from Caesar!
posted by skallas at 10:11 PM on October 8, 2003

do me a favour, in the immortal words of mark and lard No Need.
posted by johnnyboy at 3:30 AM on October 9, 2003

One of the things that sucks about Metafilter is how too many people keep trying to sound like fucking Holden Caulfield with the reflexive, callow cynicism.

ROTFL Well said!!
posted by rushmc at 7:07 AM on October 9, 2003

'Snarky' has long been a lazy excuse for pointless asshole one-liners.

Which are perfectly fine as long as they're funny.
posted by jonmc at 10:32 AM on October 9, 2003

God, we're all such a bunch of bitches.

Incidentally, I'd like to submit an application for that Gettin' Laid Scholarship.
posted by Samsonov14 at 4:58 PM on October 9, 2003

Heh, good one skallas.
posted by insomnyuk at 6:17 PM on October 9, 2003

Bush and Ashcroft are still evil, though, right?
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 7:15 PM on October 9, 2003