Register to view any links in FPP? Grrr June 7, 2004 7:38 AM Subscribe
"Look on other sites before posting" is a classic argument against certain FPPs, yet here we have an FPP that requires a full registration at another discussion site to view any of the links. Anyone care to defend Keyser?
I think this is a "technical difficulties" issue. Copy the link and paste it in your address bar (or just turn off sending of referer information in your browser). I found it an interesting link and a good post. Thanks Keyse!
posted by fvw at 7:43 AM on June 7, 2004
posted by fvw at 7:43 AM on June 7, 2004
I'm not registered there and I could view the thread and all the linked pictures. Some were fascinating, and I saved a few. I agree with the above, it was a very good post.
posted by mragreeable at 7:47 AM on June 7, 2004
posted by mragreeable at 7:47 AM on June 7, 2004
Ill defend myself, your honor.
Don't take this the wrong way, but this Metatalk post is kind of.... well, pointless. SA does not require registration to view certain portions of the forum, and my link was in that said area.
If you read any of the comments in the post you should have noticed I said more than once you have to "click-through" to see the pictures. I set up the post to be simple to access the forum and go straight to the pictures in question.
Anyways, Matt Haughey, can you remove the last link out of my post, if you have the time? Thank you.
posted by Keyser Soze at 7:49 AM on June 7, 2004
Don't take this the wrong way, but this Metatalk post is kind of.... well, pointless. SA does not require registration to view certain portions of the forum, and my link was in that said area.
If you read any of the comments in the post you should have noticed I said more than once you have to "click-through" to see the pictures. I set up the post to be simple to access the forum and go straight to the pictures in question.
Anyways, Matt Haughey, can you remove the last link out of my post, if you have the time? Thank you.
posted by Keyser Soze at 7:49 AM on June 7, 2004
Oh, and since unless mischief means someting else that pretty much concludes this topic, another small annoyance from that thread: Could we please not sign posts? There's already a line listing who posted the comment, and screen real eastate is limited. Previously discussed in the grey I think, though I can't find a link.
posted by fvw at 7:50 AM on June 7, 2004
posted by fvw at 7:50 AM on June 7, 2004
I didn't have to register at SA. To view the image in that post, all i had to do was copy the link location, then paste it. Not ideal, I'll admit, but the content was sufficiently unique that I was glad I got it.
posted by mosch at 8:06 AM on June 7, 2004
posted by mosch at 8:06 AM on June 7, 2004
Don't worry, mischief -- it doesn't look like the links from SA work now either. Were you objecting to the fact that it linked to a major webfilter as well?
posted by Ogre Lawless at 8:21 AM on June 7, 2004
posted by Ogre Lawless at 8:21 AM on June 7, 2004
yet here we have an FPP that requires a full registration at another discussion site to view any of the links.
Yes, heaven forfend that we ever allow a link to a registration-only site -- like, say, the New York Times -- to sully the pristine blue. It sure is a good thing that never happens.
Not that, y'know, this one actually does require registration.
posted by IshmaelGraves at 8:28 AM on June 7, 2004
Yes, heaven forfend that we ever allow a link to a registration-only site -- like, say, the New York Times -- to sully the pristine blue. It sure is a good thing that never happens.
Not that, y'know, this one actually does require registration.
posted by IshmaelGraves at 8:28 AM on June 7, 2004
*shrugs
Keyser just has a little problem with cookies.
That's happened to all of us at one point or another.
posted by Smart Dalek at 8:31 AM on June 7, 2004
Keyser just has a little problem with cookies.
That's happened to all of us at one point or another.
posted by Smart Dalek at 8:31 AM on June 7, 2004
I have no objections to the FPP whatsoever. Or, at least no objections before the links in the other site's thread became broken. I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of this community. ;-P
Have a nice day!
posted by mischief at 8:32 AM on June 7, 2004
Have a nice day!
posted by mischief at 8:32 AM on June 7, 2004
For the last time, I have never had a problem with cookies, I'm just big boned dammit.
posted by fvw at 8:35 AM on June 7, 2004
posted by fvw at 8:35 AM on June 7, 2004
No, sweetie, those were all lies. You DO have a problem with cookies.
posted by WolfDaddy at 9:20 AM on June 7, 2004
posted by WolfDaddy at 9:20 AM on June 7, 2004
this post has already sucked half the month's bandwidth for their site.
/.'d
(you can always register there, though, right?)
posted by Busithoth at 10:26 AM on June 7, 2004
/.'d
(you can always register there, though, right?)
posted by Busithoth at 10:26 AM on June 7, 2004
I think my FPP caused a stir and mefi is getting a DDOS
posted by Keyser Soze at 10:28 AM on June 7, 2004
posted by Keyser Soze at 10:28 AM on June 7, 2004
join us for the low, low one-time price of $9.95!
This is beyond the pale of linking to the NYT, which is a free registration. But I take it that Keyser was attempting to post during some brief window of public availability...? Do I have that right? Anyway, it's fucked now, and the "access denied" messages are pretty rude, so take your spank with a smile, Keyser.
posted by scarabic at 11:47 AM on June 7, 2004
This is beyond the pale of linking to the NYT, which is a free registration. But I take it that Keyser was attempting to post during some brief window of public availability...? Do I have that right? Anyway, it's fucked now, and the "access denied" messages are pretty rude, so take your spank with a smile, Keyser.
posted by scarabic at 11:47 AM on June 7, 2004
Please see the new SomethingAwful thread entitled "Which one of you dumbshits posted my last AP thread to MetaFilter?" for some context. [from here you can just scroll down to see the forum, you might need to cut n paste the link to not have a MeFi referrer] Apparently a Mr. AK47 had been posting these photos into a "non-public" thread. Making them suddenly largely public on MeFi was a bandwidth suck. Steps were taken. Keyser is now Public Enemy #1 there, for at least the next 10-15 minutes. Hey Keyser, is that your house?
posted by jessamyn at 12:28 PM on June 7, 2004 [1 favorite]
posted by jessamyn at 12:28 PM on June 7, 2004 [1 favorite]
I'm suspicious of that Public Enemy #1 link in jessamyn's post. Copying and pasting gives me the image, but if I just click through, Mozilla warns me that the URL's redirection limit has been exceeded. It looks like they're trying to crash the system of anyone clicking through from MeFi.
posted by punishinglemur at 12:49 PM on June 7, 2004
posted by punishinglemur at 12:49 PM on June 7, 2004
In regards to that follow-up thread ("Which one of you dumbshits..."):
I generally sort of hate SomethingAwful but pushing that aside for a moment, isn't it a bit stupid to get upset when someone links to something you posted on the Internet? Unless there was some serious technical barrier between 'the non-privileged' and your ultra-secret-I'm-gonna-get-fired-for-posting-this information, it's fair game.
From what I've read, it's regarded as taboo to link to this guy's posts outside of the SomethingAwful community, but if you didn't sure as fuck put some kind of password, or whitelist, or something between the world and your information, then you may as well consider it available to everyone you ever met.
Sorry if that's a bit of a derail, but there's a nasty "fuck you for using technology in the way it was intended" vibe going on in that thread.
posted by mmcg at 12:57 PM on June 7, 2004
I generally sort of hate SomethingAwful but pushing that aside for a moment, isn't it a bit stupid to get upset when someone links to something you posted on the Internet? Unless there was some serious technical barrier between 'the non-privileged' and your ultra-secret-I'm-gonna-get-fired-for-posting-this information, it's fair game.
From what I've read, it's regarded as taboo to link to this guy's posts outside of the SomethingAwful community, but if you didn't sure as fuck put some kind of password, or whitelist, or something between the world and your information, then you may as well consider it available to everyone you ever met.
Sorry if that's a bit of a derail, but there's a nasty "fuck you for using technology in the way it was intended" vibe going on in that thread.
posted by mmcg at 12:57 PM on June 7, 2004
Geez, Keyser. You certainly have a way of making friends -- those boys on SA are getting ready to have themselves a good old fashioned lynching.
BTW, it was pretty cheesy to post a link from a private forum to the front page of Metafilter. Between bringing the wrath of SA down on Mefi and trying to sell your account on the SA forums it's looking like 'shitheal' may be an understatement. AK47 obviously bears some responsibility for posting what he shouldn't have, but there is a difference between sharing a link with some friends and posting it in public.
posted by cedar at 1:15 PM on June 7, 2004
BTW, it was pretty cheesy to post a link from a private forum to the front page of Metafilter. Between bringing the wrath of SA down on Mefi and trying to sell your account on the SA forums it's looking like 'shitheal' may be an understatement. AK47 obviously bears some responsibility for posting what he shouldn't have, but there is a difference between sharing a link with some friends and posting it in public.
posted by cedar at 1:15 PM on June 7, 2004
I don't get it. Aren't links to the SA forums spread all over all the time? What about that guy whose loony mother filled up their house with ebay crap? Or the P-P-P-Powerbook?
The only reason this is causing a stir is because this AK guy realizes he made a dumb fucking move posting unauthorized AP photos online. It's hardly Keyser's or MeFi's fault if he loses his job.
posted by mr.marx at 1:50 PM on June 7, 2004
The only reason this is causing a stir is because this AK guy realizes he made a dumb fucking move posting unauthorized AP photos online. It's hardly Keyser's or MeFi's fault if he loses his job.
posted by mr.marx at 1:50 PM on June 7, 2004
if you didn't sure as fuck put some kind of password, or whitelist, or something between the world and your information, then you may as well consider it available to everyone you ever met.
Ehhhhh. I dunno. I see your point, obviously, but there are communities of ettiquette out here, where norms prevail. Apparently, posting a public link with multiple large images to a highly-trafficked linkfilter is a bad-bad to whomever runs that forum. They have taken the technical steps to deal with it now. Adding an ettitquette slap doesn't make them stupid.
posted by scarabic at 1:53 PM on June 7, 2004
Ehhhhh. I dunno. I see your point, obviously, but there are communities of ettiquette out here, where norms prevail. Apparently, posting a public link with multiple large images to a highly-trafficked linkfilter is a bad-bad to whomever runs that forum. They have taken the technical steps to deal with it now. Adding an ettitquette slap doesn't make them stupid.
posted by scarabic at 1:53 PM on June 7, 2004
This thread is better than watching law and order.I ask again: Anyone care to defend Keyser? ;-P
posted by mischief at 2:02 PM on June 7, 2004
The guy that hosts it should only limit access to files that have forums.somethingawful.com in the referrer. That said, it looks like the box is getting DoS'd, which sucks.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 2:02 PM on June 7, 2004
posted by mathowie (staff) at 2:02 PM on June 7, 2004
"I don't get it. Aren't links to the SA forums spread all over all the time?"
The difference is that there are community norms at both SA and Mefi that Keyser, as a member of both, should be aware of. People have been sanctioned here at Mefi for stirring up trouble with other sites (sites that will remain nameless, for obvious reasons). For anyone who has tried to view Metafilter in the last couple of hours the reason should be obvious.
Myself, I think it's more important that Keyser tried to sell his Mefi account on SA. Not that it really matters what I think, but I'd like to see anyone selling accounts suspended or banned. In essence it is selling someone elses property. We don't own these things, user #1 just lets us borrow them for a time.
posted by cedar at 2:06 PM on June 7, 2004
The difference is that there are community norms at both SA and Mefi that Keyser, as a member of both, should be aware of. People have been sanctioned here at Mefi for stirring up trouble with other sites (sites that will remain nameless, for obvious reasons). For anyone who has tried to view Metafilter in the last couple of hours the reason should be obvious.
Myself, I think it's more important that Keyser tried to sell his Mefi account on SA. Not that it really matters what I think, but I'd like to see anyone selling accounts suspended or banned. In essence it is selling someone elses property. We don't own these things, user #1 just lets us borrow them for a time.
posted by cedar at 2:06 PM on June 7, 2004
Keyser, seriously, stop fucking up.
posted by Orange Goblin at 2:15 PM on June 7, 2004
posted by Orange Goblin at 2:15 PM on June 7, 2004
scarabic: Yeah, I suppose I saw their attack on Metafilter first and not their condemnation of the individual who posted the link, which is in fact the opposite of how it happened. It is ridiculous to be upset with people who simply clicked on a link, but that's not really what happened here.
Oh, and, what mathowie said. Checking referers would have prevented all of this.
posted by mmcg at 2:27 PM on June 7, 2004
Oh, and, what mathowie said. Checking referers would have prevented all of this.
posted by mmcg at 2:27 PM on June 7, 2004
mr.marx gets it. That post was available for non-logged in people [I guess they were advertising their coool forums? Mistake.] so why should Keyser think it wasn't when it was? Seems like people host images on their own sites, rather than SA's forums, they might not all be wise to referer checks. They should be now.
Selling a MeFi account though? Baaaaaaaad. Very very bad.
Quonsar gets it
posted by dabitch at 2:38 PM on June 7, 2004
Selling a MeFi account though? Baaaaaaaad. Very very bad.
Quonsar gets it
posted by dabitch at 2:38 PM on June 7, 2004
Please see the new SomethingAwful thread entitled "Which one of you dumbshits posted my last AP thread to MetaFilter?" for some context.
The AP thread at SomethingAwful was apparently publicly accessible. Whether trying to sell your mefi account or bringing this "insider" thread to an audience like mefi is decent or not, the "I know where he lives" reaction that we can watch there now is embarrassing and worries me.
posted by tcp at 2:51 PM on June 7, 2004
The AP thread at SomethingAwful was apparently publicly accessible. Whether trying to sell your mefi account or bringing this "insider" thread to an audience like mefi is decent or not, the "I know where he lives" reaction that we can watch there now is embarrassing and worries me.
posted by tcp at 2:51 PM on June 7, 2004
yes, that's quite a bit over the top for a simple link (not hotlink) to accessible forums, and kinda creepy.
posted by dabitch at 3:14 PM on June 7, 2004
posted by dabitch at 3:14 PM on June 7, 2004
'shitheal'
this is not rocket science. "shitheal" makes no sense whatsoever. "shitheel" is someone with shit on his heel, as in, stepped in it. perhaps "shitheal" is a crummy doctor?
posted by quonsar at 3:19 PM on June 7, 2004
this is not rocket science. "shitheal" makes no sense whatsoever. "shitheel" is someone with shit on his heel, as in, stepped in it. perhaps "shitheal" is a crummy doctor?
posted by quonsar at 3:19 PM on June 7, 2004
First of all, the link in question was accesible to me anonymously. I can prove it because my account was banned earlier than the post time. Second of all, I had no intention of breaking the rules of either site by showing those pictures, and I hate the fact that other people had to pay for my fuck up. The server is getting DoSed, my fault. Pictures were taken of my house (which isnt my house, its my parents. So don't bring my family into this.) and blood has been shed. Everyones mad at me because I fucked up. I know this, now. I didn't know I was fucking up when I posted the FPP. Things are looking mighty shitty on both ends of the spectrum.
Fortunately, a very generous mefite paid the bandwith charge for this, which is more than what I ever expected. All over a post. This is ridiculous. How embarrassing. I apologized to the person that I affected and I still kept getting shit on, but thats SomethingAwful for you anyways. I don't really know how to react to this.... for lack of a better word, craziness. Sorry you are getting DoSed Matt.
posted by Keyser Soze at 3:45 PM on June 7, 2004
Fortunately, a very generous mefite paid the bandwith charge for this, which is more than what I ever expected. All over a post. This is ridiculous. How embarrassing. I apologized to the person that I affected and I still kept getting shit on, but thats SomethingAwful for you anyways. I don't really know how to react to this.... for lack of a better word, craziness. Sorry you are getting DoSed Matt.
posted by Keyser Soze at 3:45 PM on June 7, 2004
I should be banned. I don't want to be banned, but I should. I leave this up to you.
posted by Keyser Soze at 3:47 PM on June 7, 2004
posted by Keyser Soze at 3:47 PM on June 7, 2004
a very generous mefite paid the bandwith charge for this
???
posted by matteo at 3:54 PM on June 7, 2004
???
posted by matteo at 3:54 PM on June 7, 2004
Well we can't ban him, he would be lost and directionless daily without AskMefi.
posted by Stan Chin at 3:58 PM on June 7, 2004
posted by Stan Chin at 3:58 PM on June 7, 2004
you shouldn't be banned....and a general question: how is a link to the thread over there pointing out Keyser's thread any different from Keyser's link in the first place? (which i'm sorry i missed, btw)
posted by amberglow at 4:14 PM on June 7, 2004
posted by amberglow at 4:14 PM on June 7, 2004
you know, with all this soap-operatic melodrama that constantly comes from the direction of Keyser Soze, I can't help but feel like we're all being played.
posted by crunchland at 4:15 PM on June 7, 2004
posted by crunchland at 4:15 PM on June 7, 2004
Seriously, if you don't like the thread, or what happened (what's done is done) vote it a 1 and leave.
Hee hee! They could use a MeTa over there too.
Oh and, also, my vote is for Keyser to just think a little more before he posts. Not just to mollify the goons or whatever, but sometimes the king of talking too much really does.
And it was only a short few days ago when we were wondering where he had gone off too...
posted by loquax at 4:16 PM on June 7, 2004
Hee hee! They could use a MeTa over there too.
Oh and, also, my vote is for Keyser to just think a little more before he posts. Not just to mollify the goons or whatever, but sometimes the king of talking too much really does.
And it was only a short few days ago when we were wondering where he had gone off too...
posted by loquax at 4:16 PM on June 7, 2004
Keyser, you won't be banned. You breached some ettiquette on SA, but after I read the whole thread, I think they went too far, but you did ignore their rules purposely to get back at being banned.
Here are things I see wrong with this situation:
- the guy hosting the photos could and should put an .htaccess file in place that only limits views to those coming from forum.somethingawful.com. That would eliminate 99.99% of outside access to them.
- Keyser ignored the "please don't share this URL" message, because he was banned earlier for trying to sell his MeFi login. I'm not happy with people trying to sell their logins here, but I haven't done anything to stop it and probably won't. I believe people shouldn't do it, but I'm going to leave the decision of whether or not to do it up to others.
- the SA forums go nuts and photograph his house, then mock others for saying it was over the line. While no crime has been committed, that's definite harrassment, and I'm sure Keyser's parents would be angry if they heard the whole story. Even mocking, ironic mob justice can go too far, as some random kid named Peter Brown at OSU probably found out today.
I'll skip over the parts where bandwidth used by people seeing the photos from a public link is considered "stealing" when they are AP photos lifted from someone's work server. I'll also skip over the part where Keyser committed the worst sin in the world, but you can pay SA an extra $10 for a platninum forum account that gives you access to trading pirated movie torrents, porn, and ripped mp3s.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 4:20 PM on June 7, 2004
Here are things I see wrong with this situation:
- the guy hosting the photos could and should put an .htaccess file in place that only limits views to those coming from forum.somethingawful.com. That would eliminate 99.99% of outside access to them.
- Keyser ignored the "please don't share this URL" message, because he was banned earlier for trying to sell his MeFi login. I'm not happy with people trying to sell their logins here, but I haven't done anything to stop it and probably won't. I believe people shouldn't do it, but I'm going to leave the decision of whether or not to do it up to others.
- the SA forums go nuts and photograph his house, then mock others for saying it was over the line. While no crime has been committed, that's definite harrassment, and I'm sure Keyser's parents would be angry if they heard the whole story. Even mocking, ironic mob justice can go too far, as some random kid named Peter Brown at OSU probably found out today.
I'll skip over the parts where bandwidth used by people seeing the photos from a public link is considered "stealing" when they are AP photos lifted from someone's work server. I'll also skip over the part where Keyser committed the worst sin in the world, but you can pay SA an extra $10 for a platninum forum account that gives you access to trading pirated movie torrents, porn, and ripped mp3s.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 4:20 PM on June 7, 2004
we were wondering where he had gone off to...
I wasn't.
Otherwise, what Matt said in the deletion comment thingo. I've been a lurker at SA as long as I've been a member here, I think, and I for one would prefer the two worlds remain separate.
On preview, holy crap, I didn't realize that the goons had gone into attack mode on Keyser. Still, what a doofus.
I'll also skip over the part where you pay SA an extra $10 for a platninum forum account that gives you access to trading pirated movie torrents, porn, and mp3s.
Jesus, Matt, try not to piss on a good thing, will ya? Like FiPi isn't exactly the same thing, but, you know : hip. I belong to both communities, without ever having had to pay a dime, and I don't look down my nose at either.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 4:32 PM on June 7, 2004
I wasn't.
Otherwise, what Matt said in the deletion comment thingo. I've been a lurker at SA as long as I've been a member here, I think, and I for one would prefer the two worlds remain separate.
On preview, holy crap, I didn't realize that the goons had gone into attack mode on Keyser. Still, what a doofus.
I'll also skip over the part where you pay SA an extra $10 for a platninum forum account that gives you access to trading pirated movie torrents, porn, and mp3s.
Jesus, Matt, try not to piss on a good thing, will ya? Like FiPi isn't exactly the same thing, but, you know : hip. I belong to both communities, without ever having had to pay a dime, and I don't look down my nose at either.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 4:32 PM on June 7, 2004
To be clearer : a free SA forums account I registered in 2000 gets me access to all the forums.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 4:34 PM on June 7, 2004
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 4:34 PM on June 7, 2004
Sorry you are getting DoSed Matt.
Sorry, this server is getting DoS'ed?
Well, then, I can understand Matt being cranky. Whoops - my apologies for snarking. That is over the top on the part of the SA kiddies. Usually they reserve their server attacks for kiddie-pornographers and the like.
Sorry for the cognitive dissonance : too early in morning for me read good.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 4:40 PM on June 7, 2004
Sorry, this server is getting DoS'ed?
Well, then, I can understand Matt being cranky. Whoops - my apologies for snarking. That is over the top on the part of the SA kiddies. Usually they reserve their server attacks for kiddie-pornographers and the like.
Sorry for the cognitive dissonance : too early in morning for me read good.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 4:40 PM on June 7, 2004
Jesus, Matt, try not to piss on a good thing, will ya?
Well, I guess it's because last year a friend pointed out that the SA forums were trading an obscure DVD that isn't available in my region of the world, and I found out I had to pay money twice to get access to a torrent of it.
Glass houses and all, but on the one hand they're accusing someone of stealing bandwidth and doing something that seems dishonest and on the other hand the community charges money and in exchange provides a forum for trading illegal stuff. I don't mind people trading torrents or music or whatever, and I'm fine if they limited access to those holding accounts, just don't charge people money for access to that kind of thing. I don't think that's a business anyone should be in and puts file traders quite a bit closer to actual bootleggers selling pirated movies.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 4:43 PM on June 7, 2004
Well, I guess it's because last year a friend pointed out that the SA forums were trading an obscure DVD that isn't available in my region of the world, and I found out I had to pay money twice to get access to a torrent of it.
Glass houses and all, but on the one hand they're accusing someone of stealing bandwidth and doing something that seems dishonest and on the other hand the community charges money and in exchange provides a forum for trading illegal stuff. I don't mind people trading torrents or music or whatever, and I'm fine if they limited access to those holding accounts, just don't charge people money for access to that kind of thing. I don't think that's a business anyone should be in and puts file traders quite a bit closer to actual bootleggers selling pirated movies.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 4:43 PM on June 7, 2004
Things like this make me want to step away from the internet for a while. Holy crap.
posted by PrinceValium at 4:45 PM on June 7, 2004
posted by PrinceValium at 4:45 PM on June 7, 2004
People who use the word "they" a lot, in a pejorative sense, scare me. So I think I'll go to bed.
posted by squealy at 5:00 PM on June 7, 2004
posted by squealy at 5:00 PM on June 7, 2004
I understand what you're saying, Matt. I don't think Rich charges extra for access to those specific forums, though, although I've never paid enough attention to say for sure.
Angry (even if ironic, mocking) mob justice gets ugly quick, regardless.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 5:01 PM on June 7, 2004
Angry (even if ironic, mocking) mob justice gets ugly quick, regardless.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 5:01 PM on June 7, 2004
Not to mention if the AP or AP photogs ever find out about SA sharing those photos they're going to be in a mess. AP is pretty territorial and AP photogs usually are pretty serious about keeping their photos out of the hands of people that haven't paid for them (they don't get paid all that much).
posted by batgrlHG at 5:33 PM on June 7, 2004
posted by batgrlHG at 5:33 PM on June 7, 2004
Yeah, but who's scared of those AP fuckers? These are nerds (@ SA) we're talking about.
posted by yerfatma at 6:07 PM on June 7, 2004
posted by yerfatma at 6:07 PM on June 7, 2004
"I can't help but feel like we're all being played."
Bingo. Keyser Soze is the new Miguel. He's made the site all about him. Miguel (who I love like a ........ something) only wanted to be an integral part of every thread. Keyser wants to make us part of the fuck up which is his life. And his life seems to involve so much irresistable fuck up that one has to wonder if any of it's real.
posted by y6y6y6 at 6:33 PM on June 7, 2004
Bingo. Keyser Soze is the new Miguel. He's made the site all about him. Miguel (who I love like a ........ something) only wanted to be an integral part of every thread. Keyser wants to make us part of the fuck up which is his life. And his life seems to involve so much irresistable fuck up that one has to wonder if any of it's real.
posted by y6y6y6 at 6:33 PM on June 7, 2004
The fact that Keyser tried to sell his MeFi account at SA is, I reckon, grounds for banning on its own. Unless we condone selling accounts now?
The people at SA are just being pricks, though -- "waah, you linked to us breaking the law". Boo fucking hoo.
posted by reklaw at 6:44 PM on June 7, 2004
The people at SA are just being pricks, though -- "waah, you linked to us breaking the law". Boo fucking hoo.
posted by reklaw at 6:44 PM on June 7, 2004
blood has been spilled...
keyser has been burned in his tank...
the time for chopping off of hands draws near.
posted by quonsar at 6:47 PM on June 7, 2004
keyser has been burned in his tank...
the time for chopping off of hands draws near.
posted by quonsar at 6:47 PM on June 7, 2004
Hee hee! They could use a MeTa over there too.
It's called FYAD.
posted by darukaru at 6:50 PM on June 7, 2004
It's called FYAD.
posted by darukaru at 6:50 PM on June 7, 2004
Keyser wants to make us part of the fuck up which is his life. And his life seems to involve so much irresistable fuck up that one has to wonder if any of it's real.
y6y6y6, I dare you to say that to any co-worker you barely know in front of the entire office. You won't, because chances are you'd get your ass handed to you.
posted by BlueTrain at 6:54 PM on June 7, 2004
y6y6y6, I dare you to say that to any co-worker you barely know in front of the entire office. You won't, because chances are you'd get your ass handed to you.
posted by BlueTrain at 6:54 PM on June 7, 2004
Right. So why would I say it at work? That makes no sense at all.
posted by y6y6y6 at 6:58 PM on June 7, 2004
posted by y6y6y6 at 6:58 PM on June 7, 2004
Right.
Thanks.
Because your insults are "victimless crimes", it's perfectly okay. Any threat of accountability and suddenly your tune changes. Maybe instead of being a dick simply because you can, you could hold yourself consistently accountable. Self-policing and all that shit. Or are you of the belief that "you're fucking allowed"?
posted by BlueTrain at 7:08 PM on June 7, 2004
Thanks.
Because your insults are "victimless crimes", it's perfectly okay. Any threat of accountability and suddenly your tune changes. Maybe instead of being a dick simply because you can, you could hold yourself consistently accountable. Self-policing and all that shit. Or are you of the belief that "you're fucking allowed"?
posted by BlueTrain at 7:08 PM on June 7, 2004
BlueTrain: people insult each other on the Internet more than they would in real life. For instance, I think you're being an asshole. Get over it.
posted by reklaw at 7:10 PM on June 7, 2004
posted by reklaw at 7:10 PM on June 7, 2004
It's beautiful travesties like this that make MeFi so much fun.
Someday, we'll look back on these days and tell our grandkids, "I knew Senator Soze way back when..."
posted by Guy Smiley at 7:14 PM on June 7, 2004
Someday, we'll look back on these days and tell our grandkids, "I knew Senator Soze way back when..."
posted by Guy Smiley at 7:14 PM on June 7, 2004
"Or are you of the belief that "you're fucking allowed"?"
Bingo. Welcome to the Internet. Welcome to MetaFilter.
And for the record I have little problem getting into a fist fight with Keyser if he feels the need. Maybe at a meetup after a few beers? It wouldn't be the first time I've offered that to someone I only knew through a forum. Fair's fair.
Now, having said that, I have little doubt Keyser could kick my butt. I'm 40, pudgy, and seriously out of shape. Back in the day I might have been a badass. But no more. Does that mean I shouldn't say anything offensive? Does that mean I need to always consider whether I'm willing to get beat up for it before I click post?
I think not. Freedom of speech many times means freedom to be a jerk. And I am a jerk. I'm sure that surprises no one. Especially people who know me IRL. Right?
But like I said, fair's fair. If Keyser needs to defend his honor by bloodying my face, I'll try my best to make sure we meet up sooner or later.
posted by y6y6y6 at 7:25 PM on June 7, 2004
Bingo. Welcome to the Internet. Welcome to MetaFilter.
And for the record I have little problem getting into a fist fight with Keyser if he feels the need. Maybe at a meetup after a few beers? It wouldn't be the first time I've offered that to someone I only knew through a forum. Fair's fair.
Now, having said that, I have little doubt Keyser could kick my butt. I'm 40, pudgy, and seriously out of shape. Back in the day I might have been a badass. But no more. Does that mean I shouldn't say anything offensive? Does that mean I need to always consider whether I'm willing to get beat up for it before I click post?
I think not. Freedom of speech many times means freedom to be a jerk. And I am a jerk. I'm sure that surprises no one. Especially people who know me IRL. Right?
But like I said, fair's fair. If Keyser needs to defend his honor by bloodying my face, I'll try my best to make sure we meet up sooner or later.
posted by y6y6y6 at 7:25 PM on June 7, 2004
Yes, our company would like to order a couple of those thousand-dollar ads, please. Product? We market squirt guns, PEZ dispensers, herbal Viagra substitute, camouflage outer wear, laminated hentai trading cards, fake vomit, whoopee cushions, monogrammed hunting knives and do-it-yourself home tattoo kits.
posted by Opus Dark at 8:14 PM on June 7, 2004
posted by Opus Dark at 8:14 PM on June 7, 2004
Cripes, y6y6y6. You're acting as melodramatic as Soze.
(Here comes the shit storm...)
posted by Evstar at 8:20 PM on June 7, 2004
(Here comes the shit storm...)
posted by Evstar at 8:20 PM on June 7, 2004
Shit Storm was a fun game. No, that was Metal Storm. Metal Storm was a fun game. *hunts down NES emulator*
posted by bargle at 8:32 PM on June 7, 2004
posted by bargle at 8:32 PM on June 7, 2004
Keyser Soze is the new Miguel. He's made the site all about him. Miguel (who I love like a ........ something) only wanted to be an integral part of every thread. Keyser wants to make us part of the fuck up which is his life. And his life seems to involve so much irresistable fuck up that one has to wonder if any of it's real.
You're being a dick, plain and simple, and your comparison makes no sense to me. Talk about inflicting one's own pain on others. Take a look at yourself, here, sir.
Oh, and yes, you're *allowed* to be a dick and make an ass of yourself if you wish. Proceed.
posted by scarabic at 8:42 PM on June 7, 2004
You're being a dick, plain and simple, and your comparison makes no sense to me. Talk about inflicting one's own pain on others. Take a look at yourself, here, sir.
Oh, and yes, you're *allowed* to be a dick and make an ass of yourself if you wish. Proceed.
posted by scarabic at 8:42 PM on June 7, 2004
Not to mention if the AP or AP photogs ever find out about SA sharing those photos they're going to be in a mess.
Ha, no kidding. I saw on a sports photographer message board that someone innocently posted a link to a fark photoshop contest, and the first responses were all complaining about the copyright violations and improper by-lining.
posted by smackfu at 9:10 PM on June 7, 2004
Ha, no kidding. I saw on a sports photographer message board that someone innocently posted a link to a fark photoshop contest, and the first responses were all complaining about the copyright violations and improper by-lining.
posted by smackfu at 9:10 PM on June 7, 2004
Failing that, comes the ability to make great mischief.Ahhh, how sweet.
posted by mischief at 9:23 PM on June 7, 2004 [1 favorite]
I feel sorry that you are old and still bitter, over the hill and writing anonymous words that you know are negative, just to be negative. I would rather be a fuckup for the rest of my life than to be someone like you. I've got twenty years to reach that goal, and I plan to do it. Goodbye metafilter, I have devoted too much time to you. Goodnight to the people that I have affected, for better or worse. Maybe ill be back someday, maybe I won't.
posted by Keyser Soze at 9:32 PM on June 7, 2004
posted by Keyser Soze at 9:32 PM on June 7, 2004
But if he comes back some day with a whole new personality, it will merely signify a new stage in his personal growth and not that he sold his user account.
posted by taz at 9:38 PM on June 7, 2004
posted by taz at 9:38 PM on June 7, 2004
Oh to be young and foolish again.
posted by inpHilltr8r at 10:06 PM on June 7, 2004
posted by inpHilltr8r at 10:06 PM on June 7, 2004
...and also a robot.
posted by Pretty_Generic at 10:43 PM on June 7, 2004
posted by Pretty_Generic at 10:43 PM on June 7, 2004
I can't believe someone who works for the AP would risk his job just to look cool for an internet community full of whiny stalker lemming-mentality loser freaks like those SA folks are.
What's worse is they don't even seem to realize it, poor dumb bastards.
p.s. pls don't stalk me or take offensive pictures in front of my mothers house, as she is a crazy old school black woman from the south who won't hesitate to beat you like you stole something. thx.
posted by precocious at 11:22 PM on June 7, 2004 [1 favorite]
What's worse is they don't even seem to realize it, poor dumb bastards.
p.s. pls don't stalk me or take offensive pictures in front of my mothers house, as she is a crazy old school black woman from the south who won't hesitate to beat you like you stole something. thx.
posted by precocious at 11:22 PM on June 7, 2004 [1 favorite]
as mefi sayanara speeches go, that one really lacked pizzazz.
posted by quonsar at 11:30 PM on June 7, 2004
posted by quonsar at 11:30 PM on June 7, 2004
Snarky wanky hipster übergeek poseurs versus whiny stalker lemming-mentality loser freaks : the self-referential comedy never stops.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 11:56 PM on June 7, 2004
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 11:56 PM on June 7, 2004
Just to be clear: the point of MetaFilter is to find the best and most interesting of the web to share with others, not things described here.
I'm missing the "shouldn't be posting SA links in the first place" guideline.
posted by page404 at 3:25 AM on June 8, 2004
I'm missing the "shouldn't be posting SA links in the first place" guideline.
posted by page404 at 3:25 AM on June 8, 2004
Don't let the door, &c.
posted by PrinceValium at 4:41 AM on June 8, 2004
posted by PrinceValium at 4:41 AM on June 8, 2004
as mefi sayanara speeches go, that one really lacked pizzazz.
Give the kid a break. He's young, he's hurting, he's got a lot of learning and living to do. I suspect he'll finish his formal education and embark on a world tour, where he'll learn the folkways of many nations and sit at the feet of great men of all walks of life. He'll try out various occupations, not for their own sake but because he wants to understand all manner of men. He'll climb mountains and descend to the ocean depths. He'll learn things that none of us can even imagine. Eventually, full of experience and wisdom, he'll return to his computer. He'll retrieve his long-forgotten MeFi password and return to the site (and who knows how many thousands of MeFi fights the rest of us will have had by then, how many tearful outcries and shrieks of rage and sudden reconciliations?), and he'll log in and (focusing all of his new-found abilities and resources) he'll lean forward and type:
FUCK YOU, CLOWN!!
posted by languagehat at 7:48 AM on June 8, 2004 [2 favorites]
Give the kid a break. He's young, he's hurting, he's got a lot of learning and living to do. I suspect he'll finish his formal education and embark on a world tour, where he'll learn the folkways of many nations and sit at the feet of great men of all walks of life. He'll try out various occupations, not for their own sake but because he wants to understand all manner of men. He'll climb mountains and descend to the ocean depths. He'll learn things that none of us can even imagine. Eventually, full of experience and wisdom, he'll return to his computer. He'll retrieve his long-forgotten MeFi password and return to the site (and who knows how many thousands of MeFi fights the rest of us will have had by then, how many tearful outcries and shrieks of rage and sudden reconciliations?), and he'll log in and (focusing all of his new-found abilities and resources) he'll lean forward and type:
FUCK YOU, CLOWN!!
posted by languagehat at 7:48 AM on June 8, 2004 [2 favorites]
Although I was confused by most of this thread, having never taken more than a minute to read somethingawful, I am now fully satisfied that this thread has achieved its goal, which is allowing me to entertain myself for a few scant minutes during an incredibly hot morning.
As a fellow mefite in his early twenties, Keyser, allow me to be the first to say that I can see where you're coming from, in that I don't and I'm lying and you're sort of like an alien I'm afraid to touch but would like to find out if your skin is slimy or not.
posted by The God Complex at 9:28 AM on June 8, 2004
As a fellow mefite in his early twenties, Keyser, allow me to be the first to say that I can see where you're coming from, in that I don't and I'm lying and you're sort of like an alien I'm afraid to touch but would like to find out if your skin is slimy or not.
posted by The God Complex at 9:28 AM on June 8, 2004
Wow. Now, that was cathartic! Like a family vacation or holiday dinner. And languagehat, perfect denouement, as always.
posted by shoepal at 9:46 AM on June 8, 2004
posted by shoepal at 9:46 AM on June 8, 2004
"I can't believe someone who works for the AP would risk his job just to look cool for an internet community full of whiny stalker lemming-mentality loser freaks like those SA folks are."
Actually I don't think the person who posted them works for AP - I think he works for someone who has paid a large chunk of money for an AP feed. Which means his boss has agreed to only use that material for their publication. Which means that if his boss figures out that he's posting this stuff on the net - even for a select group of users - then he's likely to be in trouble. But it does mean that the guy works for the media. And should know better. And the thing is there are media folk who are regular readers of MeFi so it's now a lot more likely that this will come to the AP attention.
posted by batgrlHG at 10:55 AM on June 8, 2004
Actually I don't think the person who posted them works for AP - I think he works for someone who has paid a large chunk of money for an AP feed. Which means his boss has agreed to only use that material for their publication. Which means that if his boss figures out that he's posting this stuff on the net - even for a select group of users - then he's likely to be in trouble. But it does mean that the guy works for the media. And should know better. And the thing is there are media folk who are regular readers of MeFi so it's now a lot more likely that this will come to the AP attention.
posted by batgrlHG at 10:55 AM on June 8, 2004
Okay...is all the stupid, juvenile crap over now? Yes? Good. Now, back to the important part...is anyone hosting these pics anywhere currently accessible, since I didn't get to see them?
posted by rushmc at 10:58 AM on June 8, 2004
posted by rushmc at 10:58 AM on June 8, 2004
rushmc, here is the hand one. Here is the gallery. (hosted by Nextwish.org)
posted by shoepal at 11:34 AM on June 8, 2004
posted by shoepal at 11:34 AM on June 8, 2004
Good fucking God do not click on shoepal's link unless you're ready to be absolutely disgusted!
(Already saw it on FP, but I did NOT want to see it again; try labelling that shit next time, shoepal)
posted by BlueTrain at 11:45 AM on June 8, 2004
(Already saw it on FP, but I did NOT want to see it again; try labelling that shit next time, shoepal)
posted by BlueTrain at 11:45 AM on June 8, 2004
Oh nice, the dorks at somethingawful banned me for making one small comment correcting an earlier one. Real smart way to run a commercial community. Hope they enjoy the $20 I had to pay to get the super account just six months ago. You know, I only ban as a very last resort, when all other methods of communication fail. I post some criticism here and they kneejerk ban me (after I paid to be there). Jerks.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 11:58 AM on June 8, 2004
posted by mathowie (staff) at 11:58 AM on June 8, 2004
So sorry bluetrain. I thought the original post and accompanying thread(s) covered the "hand" enough not to warrant a warning. My bad.
posted by shoepal at 12:19 PM on June 8, 2004
posted by shoepal at 12:19 PM on June 8, 2004
rushmc, here is the hand one. Here is the gallery.
I think that's the same link I posted yesterday in the blue thread. It is apparently their backup or something, they were upset that it was posted too. IF it is the same site, that is. I Googled trying to find an alternate source for the files and found the site that I posted a link to.
As to your banning, Matt... Unless they specifically told you why you were banned, it is probably because you mentioned the areas of SA where illegal files are traded. I recall someone on Usenet complaining about being banned for talking about it. Of course that might not be the real reason that they were banned or you either, but that is my guess.
I didn't look at the hand picture yesterday and I am not looking today either. The reactions to the picture were enough for me.
posted by bargle at 12:37 PM on June 8, 2004
I think that's the same link I posted yesterday in the blue thread. It is apparently their backup or something, they were upset that it was posted too. IF it is the same site, that is. I Googled trying to find an alternate source for the files and found the site that I posted a link to.
As to your banning, Matt... Unless they specifically told you why you were banned, it is probably because you mentioned the areas of SA where illegal files are traded. I recall someone on Usenet complaining about being banned for talking about it. Of course that might not be the real reason that they were banned or you either, but that is my guess.
I didn't look at the hand picture yesterday and I am not looking today either. The reactions to the picture were enough for me.
posted by bargle at 12:37 PM on June 8, 2004
Sorry, didn't mean to come off as overly freaked out. The picture was horribly disgusting and I nearly lost my lunch, literally, when I saw it the first time. Say what you will about my thin-skinnedness, I didn't want to see it the first time.
posted by BlueTrain at 12:37 PM on June 8, 2004
posted by BlueTrain at 12:37 PM on June 8, 2004
What a deliciously bizarre thread! Matt gets banned?! Servers get slammed! Cyber-stalking. Hit-and-run forum threats. Trafficking in MeFi accounts. Illegal file sharing. Jobs threatened. Nauseating pictures. It's all so time-warpy and cyberpunky and spikey-haired and holy crap I'm grinnin' like a junkyard dog - lovin' it, I tells ya, just lovin' it - keep up the good work, Keyser, you fukkin flack magnet! And as I type this, MeFi goes down! Jebus! - it just doesn't get any better than this! Think I'll go crack a proggy, write a virus, paint my fingernails black, and pierce something! - feel the fukkin' noize, grrls, wutknots and boyz - it's all drum and bass and screams! The veranda's closed, you sag-assed lamers - action's in the alley!
posted by Opus Dark at 2:28 PM on June 8, 2004
posted by Opus Dark at 2:28 PM on June 8, 2004
Um yeah.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 2:40 PM on June 8, 2004
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 2:40 PM on June 8, 2004
Um yeah.
Now you're getting the hang of the short comment. Bravo!
posted by The God Complex at 3:26 PM on June 8, 2004
Now you're getting the hang of the short comment. Bravo!
posted by The God Complex at 3:26 PM on June 8, 2004
Matt gets banned?!
Well, he deserves it. He keeps making blatant double posts. Plus he calls people on other online communities "dorks." We can't afford to keep that kind of troublemaker around.
posted by languagehat at 4:20 PM on June 8, 2004
Well, he deserves it. He keeps making blatant double posts. Plus he calls people on other online communities "dorks." We can't afford to keep that kind of troublemaker around.
posted by languagehat at 4:20 PM on June 8, 2004
Sorry bargle. Didn't mean to steal your link (propers). I just had it bookmarked and didn't know where I had obtained it.
Man, I'm all apologies in this thread. I second Opus Dark's declaration. Such fun in the blue and grey!
posted by shoepal at 4:22 PM on June 8, 2004
Man, I'm all apologies in this thread. I second Opus Dark's declaration. Such fun in the blue and grey!
posted by shoepal at 4:22 PM on June 8, 2004
MATT GOT BANNED!
That's my contribution to this discussion. Good day.
posted by Pretty_Generic at 6:59 PM on June 8, 2004
That's my contribution to this discussion. Good day.
posted by Pretty_Generic at 6:59 PM on June 8, 2004
No, no. I wasn't wanting credit for finding it. I just wanted you to know that they were mad about me posting that link too. Whether you care about what they think is your business, I was just letting you know. =)
posted by bargle at 7:02 PM on June 8, 2004
posted by bargle at 7:02 PM on June 8, 2004
Oh nice, the dorks at somethingawful banned me for making one small comment correcting an earlier one. Real smart way to run a commercial community. Hope they enjoy the $20 I had to pay to get the super account just six months ago.
They ban people for fun over at SA -- and then the people usually pay $10 to get unbanned again... they seriously do it at the drop of a hat. When your community is made up of idiots, I guess you can get away with banning being your revenue stream.
posted by reklaw at 10:35 PM on June 8, 2004
They ban people for fun over at SA -- and then the people usually pay $10 to get unbanned again... they seriously do it at the drop of a hat. When your community is made up of idiots, I guess you can get away with banning being your revenue stream.
posted by reklaw at 10:35 PM on June 8, 2004
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posted by effugas at 7:43 AM on June 7, 2004