Can we please stick to the topic on Ask? November 13, 2004 8:14 PM Subscribe
Can we please stick to the topic on Ask? Sorry jonmc and astruc but I don't think your opinions on the aesthetics of waxing pubes was on answergrape's mind when she asked the question.
I believe your slope has been sprayed with Pam many times over.
See the restaurant question as a recent example.
posted by ?! at 8:27 PM on November 13, 2004
See the restaurant question as a recent example.
posted by ?! at 8:27 PM on November 13, 2004
Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?
posted by _sirmissalot_ at 8:28 PM on November 13, 2004
you left no sense of decency?
posted by _sirmissalot_ at 8:28 PM on November 13, 2004
For obvious reasons, it doesn't really matter to me one way or the other how the dudes feel. Nobody was disrespectful or icky.
posted by answergrape at 8:30 PM on November 13, 2004
posted by answergrape at 8:30 PM on November 13, 2004
Nobody was disrespectful or icky.
yeah, just a little accusation of closet pedophilia hurled against those who don't share jonmc taste in pubic hairstyle, nothing disrespectful. at all.
posted by matteo at 9:17 PM on November 13, 2004
yeah, just a little accusation of closet pedophilia hurled against those who don't share jonmc taste in pubic hairstyle, nothing disrespectful. at all.
posted by matteo at 9:17 PM on November 13, 2004
Dude, you want your girl to look like a seven-year-old, you're gonna get some accusations.
On topic: While I am highly sympathetic to the jonmc brigade and can even see "don't do it" in the light of a bleach + ammonia prohibition, it probably shouldn't have been done.
posted by dame at 9:44 PM on November 13, 2004
On topic: While I am highly sympathetic to the jonmc brigade and can even see "don't do it" in the light of a bleach + ammonia prohibition, it probably shouldn't have been done.
posted by dame at 9:44 PM on November 13, 2004
I tend to think that jonmc was rather tasteful about expressing his opinion. Few AskMefi threads stay completely on topic...and I don't think Mefi has ever had a discussion on the subject of waxing without jonmc voicing his disdain for it.
I saw it coming a mile away, it came, I got over it. I think we were all playing nicely over there...not really seeing the need for a call-out.
posted by amandaudoff at 9:51 PM on November 13, 2004
I saw it coming a mile away, it came, I got over it. I think we were all playing nicely over there...not really seeing the need for a call-out.
posted by amandaudoff at 9:51 PM on November 13, 2004
It was more in the spirit of playful debate than anything else and the conversation kept on going on around it. But sorry if anybody got offended, Just voicing an opinion.
posted by jonmc at 9:43 AM on November 14, 2004
posted by jonmc at 9:43 AM on November 14, 2004
The trend for body hair removal has progressed in lock-step with women's fashion trends. A hundred years ago did women wear clothing that revealed their legs and pits? No. But when bathing suits started revealing those body parts, they started being shaved.
Now we have thong bikinis and the like. And what's happening? Women choose to get Brazilian waxes.
As for "Dude, you want your girl to look like a seven-year old," it should be pointed out that the question-asker is female.
Accusations of pedophilia should not be tossed about so lightly.
posted by five fresh fish at 9:47 AM on November 14, 2004
Now we have thong bikinis and the like. And what's happening? Women choose to get Brazilian waxes.
As for "Dude, you want your girl to look like a seven-year old," it should be pointed out that the question-asker is female.
Accusations of pedophilia should not be tossed about so lightly.
posted by five fresh fish at 9:47 AM on November 14, 2004
I answered the question (for what it's worth, I am female), and jon followed up with his ick. With all due respect, I don't need jon's opinion on my pubic hair unless he's going to see me naked. And this month, only MeFi members no. 939-1026 are allowed to see me naked so I'd appreciate it if he'd refrain.
posted by astruc at 10:01 AM on November 14, 2004
posted by astruc at 10:01 AM on November 14, 2004
Dude, you want your girl to look like a seven-year-old, you're gonna get some accusations.
So can we assume that women who shave their legs and armpits are also trying to look like 7 year olds? If you see a shaved woman and think "child" maybe that says something about your mindset and not hers.
posted by lasm at 10:01 AM on November 14, 2004
So can we assume that women who shave their legs and armpits are also trying to look like 7 year olds? If you see a shaved woman and think "child" maybe that says something about your mindset and not hers.
posted by lasm at 10:01 AM on November 14, 2004
I never suggested he was rude or icky. I just don't see how his opinion on the matter is at all relevant to the question. I created the MeTa tag because I saw the conversation devolving into people offering their opinions on the topic after astruc (who had already posted a perfect answer) "rebutted" jon's claim. Had jon not piped up, astruc would not have had to offer her opinion on the aesthetics as she (obviously) knew it was irrelavant. Perhaps I'm completely wrong and no one else would have made such a comment but that's the way I saw it and I tried to nip it in the bud, both for the sake of that thread and to discuss the trend and it's (more than likely) takeover of the green if people don't respect the purpose of Ask.
"Tasteful" and "disrespectful" wasn't the issue; only relevance was.
posted by dobbs at 10:06 AM on November 14, 2004
"Tasteful" and "disrespectful" wasn't the issue; only relevance was.
posted by dobbs at 10:06 AM on November 14, 2004
To clarify, I'm not literally accussing those who prefer the waxed/shaved look of being pedophiles. But do I think the trend towards such a look is related to an overall trend of sexualizing very young girls, well yeah, maybe there's something to that. That and I was expressing a personal taste.
I've been around here expressing my various views for about 5 years now, I figure most of you are familiar enough with me to know that I've been known to use colorful language and hyperbole to make my points. I make adjustments for style when evaluating statements by other mefite's, I figured people were smart enough to do the same.
posted by jonmc at 10:08 AM on November 14, 2004
I've been around here expressing my various views for about 5 years now, I figure most of you are familiar enough with me to know that I've been known to use colorful language and hyperbole to make my points. I make adjustments for style when evaluating statements by other mefite's, I figured people were smart enough to do the same.
posted by jonmc at 10:08 AM on November 14, 2004
I think taste, disrespect, and relevancy have all become an issue here.
posted by adampsyche at 10:13 AM on November 14, 2004
posted by adampsyche at 10:13 AM on November 14, 2004
I have to point out the lack of logic in claiming, because a 7-year-old girl's genital area and the genital area of a shaved adult female have an overriding similarity (ie: hairlessness), that shaving an adult female is an attempt to resemble the underage - it might merely be an attempt to resemble a hairless adult.
I think people who claim otherwise really have to look at themselves - not necessarily that they're closet pedo's themselves, but that, more likely, they're the sort of irrational idiots who are going to firebomb a paediatricians house in Portsmouth because their knee jerks whenever they're awake and breathing.
posted by benzo8 at 10:16 AM on November 14, 2004
I think people who claim otherwise really have to look at themselves - not necessarily that they're closet pedo's themselves, but that, more likely, they're the sort of irrational idiots who are going to firebomb a paediatricians house in Portsmouth because their knee jerks whenever they're awake and breathing.
posted by benzo8 at 10:16 AM on November 14, 2004
But Jon, I'm curious why you think some woman, who is more than likely a stranger to you, GIVES A SHIT what you think of the aesthetics of waxing vs. au naturel? If she wanted your opinion, she would have asked, "I'm curious what the men on MeFi think of waxing. Is it icky? Sexy?"
I realize that answergrape has already piped in that she was not offended by your post but I'm trying to speak to the larger issue for the sake of clarifying some ettiquette.
astruc has, essentially, hit upon what really bothered me about your post but what I wasn't able to put into words. (and astruc, please forgive me if I'm reading way too much into your post.): Is it at all possible, on the blue, grey, or green, for a woman to ever make a post about body issues without a man turning it into what he thinks--or, more accurately, offering up a post that is selfish in that it ignores what the woman is posting and makes his own opinion the forefront?
Honestly, I can see someone posting a question about coming out as a lesbian (and being rather terrified to make the post) and the straight men on MeFi drowning the thread with "Woman-on-woman action is HAWWWT!!" She's not lesbian for you. She's not shaving her pubes for you. Your opinions on these matters are not relevant and I take issue with you insisting that they are by the very act of posting them.
I understand that, for the most part, the blue is beyond hope in this regard. It's a fucking free-for-all as far as the boyzone goes. Must the green go down the same drain?
posted by dobbs at 10:30 AM on November 14, 2004
I realize that answergrape has already piped in that she was not offended by your post but I'm trying to speak to the larger issue for the sake of clarifying some ettiquette.
astruc has, essentially, hit upon what really bothered me about your post but what I wasn't able to put into words. (and astruc, please forgive me if I'm reading way too much into your post.): Is it at all possible, on the blue, grey, or green, for a woman to ever make a post about body issues without a man turning it into what he thinks--or, more accurately, offering up a post that is selfish in that it ignores what the woman is posting and makes his own opinion the forefront?
Honestly, I can see someone posting a question about coming out as a lesbian (and being rather terrified to make the post) and the straight men on MeFi drowning the thread with "Woman-on-woman action is HAWWWT!!" She's not lesbian for you. She's not shaving her pubes for you. Your opinions on these matters are not relevant and I take issue with you insisting that they are by the very act of posting them.
I understand that, for the most part, the blue is beyond hope in this regard. It's a fucking free-for-all as far as the boyzone goes. Must the green go down the same drain?
posted by dobbs at 10:30 AM on November 14, 2004
And just so I'm not misunderstood, jonmc, I was not referring to you with "you" outside of the first paragraph. I'm not trying to single you out but am attempting to talk about the issue regarding MeFi in general.
posted by dobbs at 10:33 AM on November 14, 2004
posted by dobbs at 10:33 AM on November 14, 2004
benzo8, should I take the liberty of assuming that you're using similar hyperbolic argument techniques as myself or do you honestly believe that distaste for waxed genitals=firebombing doctors offices?
dobbs: I personally think people should do whatever pleases them with their own body as long as they don't harm anyone. I merely voiced an opinion and a couple theories on it.
She's not shaving her pubes for you.
Not me personally, no. But it's a bit disingenous not to recognize that just about all grooming (especially something as laborious and uncomfortable as brazilian waxing) is done at least partly with attractiveness to other people in mind. Hell, I've heard feminists argue that whole leg-shaving/crotch-waxing caboodle is part of men's subjugation of women. And if nobody gives a shit what I think, why are you all reacting so strongly?
I also find it curious that with one exception, all the people upset at my statement are men.
posted by jonmc at 10:39 AM on November 14, 2004
dobbs: I personally think people should do whatever pleases them with their own body as long as they don't harm anyone. I merely voiced an opinion and a couple theories on it.
She's not shaving her pubes for you.
Not me personally, no. But it's a bit disingenous not to recognize that just about all grooming (especially something as laborious and uncomfortable as brazilian waxing) is done at least partly with attractiveness to other people in mind. Hell, I've heard feminists argue that whole leg-shaving/crotch-waxing caboodle is part of men's subjugation of women. And if nobody gives a shit what I think, why are you all reacting so strongly?
I also find it curious that with one exception, all the people upset at my statement are men.
posted by jonmc at 10:39 AM on November 14, 2004
only MeFi members no. 939-1026 are allowed to see me naked
Matt, can I change my user number? Please?
I also find it curious that with one exception, all the people upset at my statement are men.
well you accused the men of closet pedophilia, not the women.
anyway at least we have a good tagline:
MetaFilter -- I Don't Need Jon's Opinion On My Pubic Hair Unless He's Going to See Me Naked
posted by matteo at 10:48 AM on November 14, 2004
Matt, can I change my user number? Please?
I also find it curious that with one exception, all the people upset at my statement are men.
well you accused the men of closet pedophilia, not the women.
anyway at least we have a good tagline:
MetaFilter -- I Don't Need Jon's Opinion On My Pubic Hair Unless He's Going to See Me Naked
posted by matteo at 10:48 AM on November 14, 2004
And what are your thoughts on men shaving their facial hair?
posted by euphorb at 10:49 AM on November 14, 2004
posted by euphorb at 10:49 AM on November 14, 2004
i would just like to point out to the knee jerk pedo accusation crowd that some women are completely hairless naturally and the idea that some would assume the people they are involved with are deviants does not sit well, thank you very much. absolutely nothing about the question begged that sort of response.
I also find it curious that with one exception, all the people upset at my statement are men.
consider that one of the boyzone effects is that a lot of the women here keep their mouths shut on certain topics. also, what matteo said, it was the guys being accused, not the gals.
posted by t r a c y at 10:49 AM on November 14, 2004
I also find it curious that with one exception, all the people upset at my statement are men.
consider that one of the boyzone effects is that a lot of the women here keep their mouths shut on certain topics. also, what matteo said, it was the guys being accused, not the gals.
posted by t r a c y at 10:49 AM on November 14, 2004
amen dobbs. i was actually going to post to the green to answer the question - i think it's a good question, and definitely the sort of "doing something new/unfamiliar & want some info from people who have been there" question that can work well on ask.mefi - but i realized i didn't want to put my name on the same page with that sort of nonsense.
on preview, add another female voice against your "i was only protesting the subjugation of women!" bs, jonmc.
posted by judith at 10:51 AM on November 14, 2004
on preview, add another female voice against your "i was only protesting the subjugation of women!" bs, jonmc.
posted by judith at 10:51 AM on November 14, 2004
I agree that jonmc's comment was out of line in AskMe (hopefully he won't take this as more evidence of previously alleged rushmc-persecution).
And SCORE, euphorb!
posted by rushmc at 10:55 AM on November 14, 2004
And SCORE, euphorb!
posted by rushmc at 10:55 AM on November 14, 2004
There's a big difference between coming out and asking about hair removal, dobbs. I didn't see any offense in jonmc's comment, merely an opinion.
As far as the pedo comment, I read it as a joke, not an accusation. So I say lighten up. It's not as if this place didn't have opinions on the pros and cons of testicular hair drying.
posted by Salmonberry at 10:58 AM on November 14, 2004
As far as the pedo comment, I read it as a joke, not an accusation. So I say lighten up. It's not as if this place didn't have opinions on the pros and cons of testicular hair drying.
posted by Salmonberry at 10:58 AM on November 14, 2004
on preview, add another female voice against your "i was only protesting the subjugation of women!" bs, jonmc.
I was protesting anything, judith. Merely pointing out something I've heard said. Some women say that crotch waxing is another example of male oppression. I. personally, think it's merely vanity. But it's intersting that merely having an opinion or preference on the subject seems to make a sexist in some people's eyes. Especially those who should know better.
And what are your thoughts on men shaving their facial hair?
I've done the stubble thing, the goatee thing, the moustache thing, and the clean shaven thing. And I'd be lying if I said it was anything other than societal requirements (like work dress codes), attracting females, or pure vanity.
posted by jonmc at 10:59 AM on November 14, 2004
I was protesting anything, judith. Merely pointing out something I've heard said. Some women say that crotch waxing is another example of male oppression. I. personally, think it's merely vanity. But it's intersting that merely having an opinion or preference on the subject seems to make a sexist in some people's eyes. Especially those who should know better.
And what are your thoughts on men shaving their facial hair?
I've done the stubble thing, the goatee thing, the moustache thing, and the clean shaven thing. And I'd be lying if I said it was anything other than societal requirements (like work dress codes), attracting females, or pure vanity.
posted by jonmc at 10:59 AM on November 14, 2004
Jeez.
The question was Any ladies ever gotten one? How very badly did it hurt? What is the actual procedure?
Which is entirely different from Hey, what do guys think about brazilian waxes?
jonmc's response would have been at least somewhat appropriate to the 2nd question, but not to the 1st. He is not a woman who has had a brazilian, thus his response to the question was inappropriate. The attempt to turn the question into a discussion of porn and pedophilia is just plain silly and illuminates the agenda of the poster.
I also find it curious that with one exception, all the people upset at my statement are men.
Well I'm a woman who waxes. I was not "upset" with your post, but as I said above it was inappropriate to the question that was asked. If you want to extol on the horrors of waxing, why not post an askme question such as I've noticed this trend with women and I'd like to know what other men and women think about it?
And, let me make this perfectly clear for you jonmc, I wax because I like it. I like the feel. I like the look. And quite frankly, it makes oral sex better for my partner. I don't do anything to my body, including my hair, my makeup, my pierced navel, my shaved legs, the many hours I spend working out, or the high heels that I wear daily, nothing for anyone but myself. So get over yourself. Women's self care and physical maintenance is not done with you in mind.
posted by Juicylicious at 10:59 AM on November 14, 2004
The question was Any ladies ever gotten one? How very badly did it hurt? What is the actual procedure?
Which is entirely different from Hey, what do guys think about brazilian waxes?
jonmc's response would have been at least somewhat appropriate to the 2nd question, but not to the 1st. He is not a woman who has had a brazilian, thus his response to the question was inappropriate. The attempt to turn the question into a discussion of porn and pedophilia is just plain silly and illuminates the agenda of the poster.
I also find it curious that with one exception, all the people upset at my statement are men.
Well I'm a woman who waxes. I was not "upset" with your post, but as I said above it was inappropriate to the question that was asked. If you want to extol on the horrors of waxing, why not post an askme question such as I've noticed this trend with women and I'd like to know what other men and women think about it?
And, let me make this perfectly clear for you jonmc, I wax because I like it. I like the feel. I like the look. And quite frankly, it makes oral sex better for my partner. I don't do anything to my body, including my hair, my makeup, my pierced navel, my shaved legs, the many hours I spend working out, or the high heels that I wear daily, nothing for anyone but myself. So get over yourself. Women's self care and physical maintenance is not done with you in mind.
posted by Juicylicious at 10:59 AM on November 14, 2004
I don't do anything to my body, including my hair, my makeup, my pierced navel, my shaved legs, the many hours I spend working out, or the high heels that I wear daily, nothing for anyone but myself. So get over yourself. Women's self care and physical maintenance is not done with you in mind.
Please. Human beings, male and female, have egos that need supporting. Don't try to convince that whole peacock grooming regimen (whether it's done by men or women) is not done with attractiveness to other people in mind.
I was born at night, but not last night, baby.
posted by jonmc at 11:04 AM on November 14, 2004
Please. Human beings, male and female, have egos that need supporting. Don't try to convince that whole peacock grooming regimen (whether it's done by men or women) is not done with attractiveness to other people in mind.
I was born at night, but not last night, baby.
posted by jonmc at 11:04 AM on November 14, 2004
I was born at night, but not last night, baby.
Wow, you're clever.
posted by Juicylicious at 11:12 AM on November 14, 2004
Wow, you're clever.
posted by Juicylicious at 11:12 AM on November 14, 2004
*shrug*
Look, this is all based in observation of human nature. All that grooming shit is work, it requires a shitload of effort to maintain even the minimal societal standards of "attractiveness" that exist. In my experience, people don't experience people don't expend that kind of effort without some kind of concrete payoff.
I don't have to work this weekend, and I already have a girlfreind. So I haven't shaved or showered since friday morning. And I'm still wearing the same clothes I fell asleep in on friday night. Y'know why? Because there's no reason to do anything else.
posted by jonmc at 11:18 AM on November 14, 2004
Look, this is all based in observation of human nature. All that grooming shit is work, it requires a shitload of effort to maintain even the minimal societal standards of "attractiveness" that exist. In my experience, people don't experience people don't expend that kind of effort without some kind of concrete payoff.
I don't have to work this weekend, and I already have a girlfreind. So I haven't shaved or showered since friday morning. And I'm still wearing the same clothes I fell asleep in on friday night. Y'know why? Because there's no reason to do anything else.
posted by jonmc at 11:18 AM on November 14, 2004
And nobody has noted the popularity of shaved heads on men. Are women attracted to dudes like Vin Diesel doing so out of their resemblence to newborn babies?
Yes, I am reductio ad absurbuming. Although I'm sure other Mefites could get much more absurdum...
posted by wendell at 11:19 AM on November 14, 2004
Yes, I am reductio ad absurbuming. Although I'm sure other Mefites could get much more absurdum...
posted by wendell at 11:19 AM on November 14, 2004
Jon, baby, I know you don't hear me anymore when I say stuff like this, but respect for others' opinions is a two way street. The question was one of technique and experience, not of opinion.
Even if your expressed opinion wasn't so obnoxiously dismissive as it was, it still wouldn't have been on topic.
Also: Yippee! I'm in Astruc's window! Can I, uh, get you something to drink?
posted by chicobangs at 11:22 AM on November 14, 2004
Even if your expressed opinion wasn't so obnoxiously dismissive as it was, it still wouldn't have been on topic.
Also: Yippee! I'm in Astruc's window! Can I, uh, get you something to drink?
posted by chicobangs at 11:22 AM on November 14, 2004
jonmc, you're outnumbered on this one. Not only did nobody ask for your opinion but criticisms like yours make it that much harder for ask.mefi to be what it is intended to be (and what I like about it) - a place where people can just ask for straight advice and experience about a wide variety of things without people jumping in and judging them.
posted by vacapinta at 11:23 AM on November 14, 2004
posted by vacapinta at 11:23 AM on November 14, 2004
Okay, I've thought about your (jonmc) response(s) for a few minutes now and I can kinda understand where you're coming from.
I was surprised one day when a guy I was dating removed all of his pubic hair without telling me first. He said that he thought that I'd like it. I didn't. When I saw his bare parts, the first thought that came to my mind was . . . . hold on jonmc, you'll like this . . . . jeez, I don't want to have sex with a man that has genitals like a 10 year old boy. Yuck.
So, in all fairness, it's a two-way street.
posted by Juicylicious at 11:26 AM on November 14, 2004
I was surprised one day when a guy I was dating removed all of his pubic hair without telling me first. He said that he thought that I'd like it. I didn't. When I saw his bare parts, the first thought that came to my mind was . . . . hold on jonmc, you'll like this . . . . jeez, I don't want to have sex with a man that has genitals like a 10 year old boy. Yuck.
So, in all fairness, it's a two-way street.
posted by Juicylicious at 11:26 AM on November 14, 2004
jonmc's comments make sense to me, I've wondered why few men shave or trim their pits and parts, but many women do. I agree that the increasingly revealing images of women in the media have something to do with it: the more flesh revealed, the less hair we seem to want to see (does this still hold in France?)
At first, I thought the question was clearly aimed at women to give their responses, but the questioner has said she is not offended by the guys, nor see their responses as off-topic, and that - in this case - should be enough.
Whether or not future questioners will want to frame their queries more tightly, with exclusion clauses and caveats, might be worth them considering.
posted by dash_slot- at 11:28 AM on November 14, 2004
At first, I thought the question was clearly aimed at women to give their responses, but the questioner has said she is not offended by the guys, nor see their responses as off-topic, and that - in this case - should be enough.
Whether or not future questioners will want to frame their queries more tightly, with exclusion clauses and caveats, might be worth them considering.
posted by dash_slot- at 11:28 AM on November 14, 2004
Thank you, juicylicious.
Visceral responses override platitudes yet again.
And I happen to know that chicobangs does shave his head to look like a newborn baby. It gets us discounts at bars.
posted by jonmc at 11:31 AM on November 14, 2004
Visceral responses override platitudes yet again.
And I happen to know that chicobangs does shave his head to look like a newborn baby. It gets us discounts at bars.
posted by jonmc at 11:31 AM on November 14, 2004
It wasn't appropriate in that particular askme thread, but I have to say, thank you jonmc, for voicing what I was thinking. The more women who wax, the more social pressure other women are under to wax. Already, as a woman in North America, if I don't shave my legs or armpits, I get stares and occasionally snide comments from men (and women) who haven't realised that women do grow hair. It's not one individual, it's the pressure of the whole culture. And you have to have a skin of iron to buck the trend - I wimp out and wear tights and trousers, even in summer. It's not just that I don't want to shave - shaving is very painful for me (I react badly to dilapidaries, and burn or cut myself every time I use a razer).
posted by jb at 11:40 AM on November 14, 2004
posted by jb at 11:40 AM on November 14, 2004
It's not an age thing though - it's a gender thing. It emphasises the difference between male and female. But now it's to the point where you cannot be feminine and have any visible hair, except that on the head.
posted by jb at 11:42 AM on November 14, 2004
posted by jb at 11:42 AM on November 14, 2004
jon, baby, listen to vacapinta. Everyone's just asking you to please stay on topic and keep ask metafilter helpful and you seem defensive. Suck it up and move on, and keep the pedophile jokes inside next time.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 11:43 AM on November 14, 2004
posted by mathowie (staff) at 11:43 AM on November 14, 2004
Fair enough, matt. And I see the arguments of the people who said I derailed the thread from it's purpose. I still stand my opinions and the reasons I gave for them.
[cronkite]
...and that's the way it is.
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posted by jonmc at 11:47 AM on November 14, 2004
[cronkite]
...and that's the way it is.
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posted by jonmc at 11:47 AM on November 14, 2004
I was always under the impression that neither visceral responses nor platitudes have any place whatsoever in AskMe. But whatever.
Also, my head is not the only thing I shave. I do not, however, wax.
[And no more information on my personal grooming is forthcoming. Unless your user number is between, oh, let's see, 10375 and 11063. :)]
One more thing: neither the AskMe thread nor this thread are appropriate places for me to voice my opinion on waxing vs. not waxing or the politics thereof, but I will say that this discussion has been railroaded to where I get the feeling it's going to have to be had again, at some point in the future, if we want to actually talk about the topic rationally.
Which, in my estimation, sucks.
posted by chicobangs at 11:47 AM on November 14, 2004
Also, my head is not the only thing I shave. I do not, however, wax.
[And no more information on my personal grooming is forthcoming. Unless your user number is between, oh, let's see, 10375 and 11063. :)]
One more thing: neither the AskMe thread nor this thread are appropriate places for me to voice my opinion on waxing vs. not waxing or the politics thereof, but I will say that this discussion has been railroaded to where I get the feeling it's going to have to be had again, at some point in the future, if we want to actually talk about the topic rationally.
Which, in my estimation, sucks.
posted by chicobangs at 11:47 AM on November 14, 2004
jonmc's comment was technically offtopic for that AskMe question, but I don't think he'd be getting this response if he'd said that he was opposed to bypassing web registration or that he thought making restaurant reservations was a bad idea. jb said pretty much everything I was about to say. I vaguely remember a thread about a man who wanted to cover up his bald spot, and the "be natural, bald is sexy" responses somehow didn't elicit any callouts like this.
posted by transona5 at 11:49 AM on November 14, 2004
posted by transona5 at 11:49 AM on November 14, 2004
"Has anyone ever repainted their Corvette? How expensive was it? What sort of paint does it take?"
Dude, people who repaint their Corvettes are nuts. What's wrong with the paint Chevrolet already put on it?
posted by mr_crash_davis at 11:50 AM on November 14, 2004
Dude, people who repaint their Corvettes are nuts. What's wrong with the paint Chevrolet already put on it?
posted by mr_crash_davis at 11:50 AM on November 14, 2004
transona5, I offer a wholehearted mea culpa for derailing the thread from it's purpose (which was basically asking for technical advice) and the pedophile crack was definitely ill-advised.
I guess the fact that the topic came up again (we've had a few waxing threads lately, IIRC) just got me thinking about what, for lack of a better word, I call the vanity industry, in our society. Waxing, steroids, rogaine, makeup, tattoos, body piercing, makeover shows on TV....we're up to our ears in all this. And I suppose I saw an opportunity to bring that up.
I did it my usual hyperbolic, devil's advocate style, which I figured most people here understood by now. But my actual points (and yes, they are there) seem to be consistently getting misunderstood. I don't know what to say on that score.
posted by jonmc at 11:59 AM on November 14, 2004
I guess the fact that the topic came up again (we've had a few waxing threads lately, IIRC) just got me thinking about what, for lack of a better word, I call the vanity industry, in our society. Waxing, steroids, rogaine, makeup, tattoos, body piercing, makeover shows on TV....we're up to our ears in all this. And I suppose I saw an opportunity to bring that up.
I did it my usual hyperbolic, devil's advocate style, which I figured most people here understood by now. But my actual points (and yes, they are there) seem to be consistently getting misunderstood. I don't know what to say on that score.
posted by jonmc at 11:59 AM on November 14, 2004
Don't try to convince that whole peacock grooming regimen (whether it's done by men or women) is not done with attractiveness to other people in mind.
i've read loads of studies that find most straight women care more about what other women will think of their outer appearance than what men think of it. go figure. maybe that's because some women feel they're competing with other women. i have no idea on that one. i know that the preening i do is soley for me, zoran could care less one way or the other. i get all involved in those things because it's a bit of creative fun. if it gets to be too much work or become boring at some point, i'll drop it like a hot potato and won't give a rat's ass if anyone wants it differently.
Unless your user number is between, oh, let's see, 10375 and 11063. :)]
fine, leave me out, see if i care. hmmph.
posted by t r a c y at 12:00 PM on November 14, 2004
i've read loads of studies that find most straight women care more about what other women will think of their outer appearance than what men think of it. go figure. maybe that's because some women feel they're competing with other women. i have no idea on that one. i know that the preening i do is soley for me, zoran could care less one way or the other. i get all involved in those things because it's a bit of creative fun. if it gets to be too much work or become boring at some point, i'll drop it like a hot potato and won't give a rat's ass if anyone wants it differently.
Unless your user number is between, oh, let's see, 10375 and 11063. :)]
fine, leave me out, see if i care. hmmph.
posted by t r a c y at 12:00 PM on November 14, 2004
Dude, people who repaint their Corvettes are nuts. What's wrong with the paint Chevrolet already put on it?
Why would you want to drive a Corvette anyway? The sort of people who drive Corvettes are clearly compensating for their small genitalia. You should be looking into sensible, affordable cars, because that's what I prefer and anyone who believes otherwise is tiny-dicked fool!
posted by Danelope at 12:02 PM on November 14, 2004
Why would you want to drive a Corvette anyway? The sort of people who drive Corvettes are clearly compensating for their small genitalia. You should be looking into sensible, affordable cars, because that's what I prefer and anyone who believes otherwise is tiny-dicked fool!
posted by Danelope at 12:02 PM on November 14, 2004
I also find it curious that with one exception, all the people upset at my statement are men.
"consider that one of the boyzone effects is that a lot of the women here keep their mouths shut on certain topics." Though I must say, my lack of grooming is done entirely with me in mind. t r a c y, as usual, says it best. Also, what mathowie said.
posted by jessamyn at 12:12 PM on November 14, 2004
"consider that one of the boyzone effects is that a lot of the women here keep their mouths shut on certain topics." Though I must say, my lack of grooming is done entirely with me in mind. t r a c y, as usual, says it best. Also, what mathowie said.
posted by jessamyn at 12:12 PM on November 14, 2004
Unless your user number is between, oh, let's see, 10375 and 11063. :)]
fine, leave me out, see if i care. hmmph.
Thats ok. You can have my spot.
posted by vacapinta at 12:14 PM on November 14, 2004
fine, leave me out, see if i care. hmmph.
Thats ok. You can have my spot.
posted by vacapinta at 12:14 PM on November 14, 2004
Let's take this for what it was, an off-handed throwaway "get my opinion in" comment. No offense, Mr. jonmc. How this managed to be a 50 comment thread is beyond me.
posted by geoff. at 12:20 PM on November 14, 2004
posted by geoff. at 12:20 PM on November 14, 2004
You know, you can never be truly free in this world unless you renounce driving and cars entirely.
And rely upon the cars of others for rides to where you need to go.
posted by mwhybark at 12:31 PM on November 14, 2004
And rely upon the cars of others for rides to where you need to go.
posted by mwhybark at 12:31 PM on November 14, 2004
There's no such thing as "joking about pedophilia" when dealing with real people. The merest whiff of accusation can end a person's job, drive them from the community, and terminate friendships.
Jon, you stepped way over the line by accusing those who love a carpet-free munch of wanting to fuck children. It was grossly inappropriate and held the danger of causing real-life consequences for those you point the finger at.
It is the equivalent of pointing at someone in an airport and screaming "He's got a bomb."
posted by five fresh fish at 12:31 PM on November 14, 2004
Jon, you stepped way over the line by accusing those who love a carpet-free munch of wanting to fuck children. It was grossly inappropriate and held the danger of causing real-life consequences for those you point the finger at.
It is the equivalent of pointing at someone in an airport and screaming "He's got a bomb."
posted by five fresh fish at 12:31 PM on November 14, 2004
I am completely baffled that shaved pubes is a social statement now. I thought I was doing it because I get off better when I don't have hair grinding into my clit. Hey, what do you know- a totally selfish reason to go smooth- but jonmc will love me anyway because I reject the patriarchal demand for shaved legs and armpits.
In short- my response here was about as relevant as jonmc's response on the other thread. "Tell me about Brazilian waxes" is not the same as "Should I get a Brazilian wax?" I find this behavior just as annoying when it's "How do I make my PC do X" and someone offers the clever answer, "Buy a mac!" - though I admittedly I found this one more annoying than most because wtf does answergrape care if johnmc likes big bushes? It's not for him.
posted by headspace at 12:34 PM on November 14, 2004
In short- my response here was about as relevant as jonmc's response on the other thread. "Tell me about Brazilian waxes" is not the same as "Should I get a Brazilian wax?" I find this behavior just as annoying when it's "How do I make my PC do X" and someone offers the clever answer, "Buy a mac!" - though I admittedly I found this one more annoying than most because wtf does answergrape care if johnmc likes big bushes? It's not for him.
posted by headspace at 12:34 PM on November 14, 2004
And I've mea culpa'ed at least a couple times, fff.
But look at juicylicious' comment about her ex's hairless nuts. Are we not allowed to discuss the ramifications of that response?
headspace: I'm totally used to seeing people pop in to threads on a topic that dismiss the whole topic. I've read threads on Eddie van Halen's guitar building where people pop in just to say that they think Eddie's a indulgent wanker. I've seen threads on religion where people pop in just to say their athiests. Is ot only OK sometimes, and for some people.
posted by jonmc at 12:43 PM on November 14, 2004
But look at juicylicious' comment about her ex's hairless nuts. Are we not allowed to discuss the ramifications of that response?
headspace: I'm totally used to seeing people pop in to threads on a topic that dismiss the whole topic. I've read threads on Eddie van Halen's guitar building where people pop in just to say that they think Eddie's a indulgent wanker. I've seen threads on religion where people pop in just to say their athiests. Is ot only OK sometimes, and for some people.
posted by jonmc at 12:43 PM on November 14, 2004
No, no, headspace, you might think it's just for you, but really, it's all for him. He wasn't born last night, you know, baby.
posted by goneill at 12:45 PM on November 14, 2004
posted by goneill at 12:45 PM on November 14, 2004
goneill, I am under no delusions that any woman anywhere, including women I've dated has ever went through much effort to attract me personally. And I direct my criticisms about vanity to men, as well as women. Slathering your hair with gel , rubbing rogaine into your scalp, or injecting yourself with steroids to get "cut" is equally baffling to me.
But ask yourself this, would people on this planet be putting the amount of effort and money into their appearance (and it's a multi-billion dollar industry) if the opinions of others, any others, was not a priority?
posted by jonmc at 12:53 PM on November 14, 2004
But ask yourself this, would people on this planet be putting the amount of effort and money into their appearance (and it's a multi-billion dollar industry) if the opinions of others, any others, was not a priority?
posted by jonmc at 12:53 PM on November 14, 2004
Unuseful 'answers' in AskMe = bad. That's an easy one.
But I gotta hand it to jonmc for taking the storms of disapproval to which he is fairly regularly subjected with aplomb and good humor.
But that doesn't stop people from piling on, of course.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 12:53 PM on November 14, 2004
But I gotta hand it to jonmc for taking the storms of disapproval to which he is fairly regularly subjected with aplomb and good humor.
But that doesn't stop people from piling on, of course.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 12:53 PM on November 14, 2004
...wtf does answergrape care if johnmc likes big bushes?
Please tell me I'm not the only one who immdiately thought of "I like big bush and I cannot lie" when reading this comment.
posted by hughbot at 12:54 PM on November 14, 2004
Please tell me I'm not the only one who immdiately thought of "I like big bush and I cannot lie" when reading this comment.
posted by hughbot at 12:54 PM on November 14, 2004
stav, to be honest, it's kind of interesting to me. We at mefi, myself included, generally like to think of ourselves as freethinking open-minded individuals. Yet we still generally go bananas when a closely held belief is questioned.
You know me well enough to know what I'm up to when I get like this. Hell, look at the quote on my user page. I believe in questioning everything, including the questioners.
posted by jonmc at 1:00 PM on November 14, 2004
You know me well enough to know what I'm up to when I get like this. Hell, look at the quote on my user page. I believe in questioning everything, including the questioners.
posted by jonmc at 1:00 PM on November 14, 2004
Hello, Jon, have you still not comprehended that you can hurt people by "joking" about pedophilia?
Imagine the consequences if it turns out that answergrape is an elementary school teacher. Your accusation of pedophilia has the potential to terminate her employment, regardless the lie of your accusation.
I'm dead serious when I compare it to pointing at a stranger in an airport and shouting "terrorist." The potential outcomes for that poor person are horrendous. You just can't do that sort of thing: it's unconscionable.
posted by five fresh fish at 1:16 PM on November 14, 2004
Imagine the consequences if it turns out that answergrape is an elementary school teacher. Your accusation of pedophilia has the potential to terminate her employment, regardless the lie of your accusation.
I'm dead serious when I compare it to pointing at a stranger in an airport and shouting "terrorist." The potential outcomes for that poor person are horrendous. You just can't do that sort of thing: it's unconscionable.
posted by five fresh fish at 1:16 PM on November 14, 2004
Some of my girlfriends have absolutely adored my trimmed male genitalia, and others not so. The one's who've have given it a thumbs up do so primarily from a physics or mechanical perspective (friction) and thumbs down from a visual perspective.
Sure, when you look down you gain a centimetre or two and that's good for your vanity in what has to be the lightest, slightly amusing, but not serious way, but by the time you're at that point the other means of attracting a partner have already worked their magic. No?
I'd always thought that dolling ourselves up had something to do with being creative with and amongst ourselves within the complex social order we have built. Not to mention the influence of the drive to continue the species...
Look at Julia in 1984. When she and Winston rent a flat Julia applies some makeup. The flat is where they are free from the party-line, free to express themselves, free to play with each other, etc. That Julia puts on the makeup and not Winston definitely indicates that women in western societies are pressured to do such things moreso then men. But in this case, I don't think it applies or dominates, and doesn't have to dominate or apply (except for wax of course) in the case of a Brazilian. What's wrong with being creative with yourself and sharing that with your partner?
Having said all that, I got ripped once for crossing the line on AskMe and I deserved it. I needed my eyes opened, though it took me some time.
posted by juiceCake at 1:23 PM on November 14, 2004
Sure, when you look down you gain a centimetre or two and that's good for your vanity in what has to be the lightest, slightly amusing, but not serious way, but by the time you're at that point the other means of attracting a partner have already worked their magic. No?
I'd always thought that dolling ourselves up had something to do with being creative with and amongst ourselves within the complex social order we have built. Not to mention the influence of the drive to continue the species...
Look at Julia in 1984. When she and Winston rent a flat Julia applies some makeup. The flat is where they are free from the party-line, free to express themselves, free to play with each other, etc. That Julia puts on the makeup and not Winston definitely indicates that women in western societies are pressured to do such things moreso then men. But in this case, I don't think it applies or dominates, and doesn't have to dominate or apply (except for wax of course) in the case of a Brazilian. What's wrong with being creative with yourself and sharing that with your partner?
Having said all that, I got ripped once for crossing the line on AskMe and I deserved it. I needed my eyes opened, though it took me some time.
posted by juiceCake at 1:23 PM on November 14, 2004
fff, I heard you the first time, your honor. What do you want from me, hari-kari?
posted by jonmc at 1:26 PM on November 14, 2004
posted by jonmc at 1:26 PM on November 14, 2004
Please. Have some grace. It's over.
posted by adampsyche at 1:34 PM on November 14, 2004
posted by adampsyche at 1:34 PM on November 14, 2004
And please don't act like your little crusade is for answergrape's or anyone else besides your benefit.
Your not defending someone from false accusations, which I've already stated twice were not meant to be taken literally, but your need to "right" and win arguments for your own self-satisfaction.
adam, with all due respect, I don't have to take shit from people and I am well within my rights to defend myself and my statements.
posted by jonmc at 1:36 PM on November 14, 2004
Your not defending someone from false accusations, which I've already stated twice were not meant to be taken literally, but your need to "right" and win arguments for your own self-satisfaction.
adam, with all due respect, I don't have to take shit from people and I am well within my rights to defend myself and my statements.
posted by jonmc at 1:36 PM on November 14, 2004
Some visceral responses to what I've read above:
Visceral responses override platitudes yet again.
Oh, will you can the shit already, Jon! It's not like you're being gleefully transgressive by offering your opinion in an AskMe thread. It's not like people were expecting platitudes from you. But because you offered your "visceral response", you're somehow a rebel that we should all respect, for subverting the paradigm? As has been noted numerous times, answergrape didn't ask for a collection of MeFites' opinions on Brazilians. She asked about what she could expect from the procedure. Since you seem not to have a Brazilian (N.B.: I'm extrapolating here, and have no empirical evidence one way or the other), then I honestly don't see how you're qualified to respond.
I still stand [by] my opinions and the reasons I gave for them.
That's fine. Why not express them in someplace where everyone is expressing their opinions? Such as, say, the blue? Why not post an article on the pros or cons of waxing, or a critique of the beauty/vanity industry, and invite discussion? It's not an uninteresting topic, and I'd bet the discussion would be great.
[And no more information on my personal grooming is forthcoming. Unless your user number is between, oh, let's see, 10375 and 11063. :)]
No offense, chico, but you know where I live, and that's why I keep my door locked. ;-)
I guess the fact that the topic came up again (we've had a few waxing threads lately, IIRC) just got me thinking about what, for lack of a better word, I call the vanity industry, in our society. Waxing, steroids, rogaine, makeup, tattoos, body piercing, makeover shows on TV....we're up to our ears in all this. And I suppose I saw an opportunity to bring that up.
But it was an opportunity that was contrary to the spirit of the question and the spirit of AskMe.
I did it my usual hyperbolic, devil's advocate style, which I figured most people here understood by now. But my actual points (and yes, they are there) seem to be consistently getting misunderstood. I don't know what to say on that score.
It's not your style, jon. It's that it was an inappropriate place to offer your opinion. Your points are indeed being understood -- they're just not being put in the right place. AskMe is not that place. And besides, you seem to positively have a fetish for being misunderstood.
Because that way, the focus is on you. You seem to crave everyone's attention, and when they don't give it, you'll piss on the drapes if you have to. Your flip "hari-kari" comment above (and on preview, it's not about you being "within your rights", either) is just another in a long line of examples. You seem to want everyone to respect your opinions and adopt them as their own, but you're not engaging anyone else's, except superficially. Do you see why it feels like an uphill battle, then, when you're pulling this stunt over and over? Particularly when you're not respecting the original AskMe question that was asked?
You keep talking about your numerous mea culpas. So, it's fine that you are saying that you're sorry, but your successive comments indicate that you're not listening. Here's how you're coming across:
"I'm sorry I did this! But I'm going to tell you why I did it! And why I thought it was a good idea! Didn't I tell you that I said I'm sorry? But here's why I did it! And I justify it thus! And I've said that I'm sorry lots of times already!"
We at mefi, myself included, generally like to think of ourselves as freethinking open-minded individuals. Yet we still generally go bananas when a closely held belief is questioned.
Wait a sec...so now it's everyone else that's being intolerant when they haul you into MeTa?
But I gotta hand it to jonmc for taking the storms of disapproval to which he is fairly regularly subjected with aplomb and good humor.
But that doesn't stop people from piling on, of course.
People aren't piling on jonmc just because he's jonmc or just because he's expressing an opinion, stav -- they're piling on him because he's expressing an opinion where one was not asked for.
All of us can be tone-deaf to how we come across sometimes. It's part of being human, and that's a large part of the reasons for MetaTalk. But methinks Jon doth protest too much.
You know, none of the above should be construed by anyone (especially you, Jon) as not liking jonmc or his opinions. (Hell, I went drinking with him Friday.) I say this because my comments will probably be interpreted as yet another senseless brutal attack on poor Jon, when I'm trying to offer some constructive criticism to a friend.
posted by Vidiot at 1:40 PM on November 14, 2004
Visceral responses override platitudes yet again.
Oh, will you can the shit already, Jon! It's not like you're being gleefully transgressive by offering your opinion in an AskMe thread. It's not like people were expecting platitudes from you. But because you offered your "visceral response", you're somehow a rebel that we should all respect, for subverting the paradigm? As has been noted numerous times, answergrape didn't ask for a collection of MeFites' opinions on Brazilians. She asked about what she could expect from the procedure. Since you seem not to have a Brazilian (N.B.: I'm extrapolating here, and have no empirical evidence one way or the other), then I honestly don't see how you're qualified to respond.
I still stand [by] my opinions and the reasons I gave for them.
That's fine. Why not express them in someplace where everyone is expressing their opinions? Such as, say, the blue? Why not post an article on the pros or cons of waxing, or a critique of the beauty/vanity industry, and invite discussion? It's not an uninteresting topic, and I'd bet the discussion would be great.
[And no more information on my personal grooming is forthcoming. Unless your user number is between, oh, let's see, 10375 and 11063. :)]
No offense, chico, but you know where I live, and that's why I keep my door locked. ;-)
I guess the fact that the topic came up again (we've had a few waxing threads lately, IIRC) just got me thinking about what, for lack of a better word, I call the vanity industry, in our society. Waxing, steroids, rogaine, makeup, tattoos, body piercing, makeover shows on TV....we're up to our ears in all this. And I suppose I saw an opportunity to bring that up.
But it was an opportunity that was contrary to the spirit of the question and the spirit of AskMe.
I did it my usual hyperbolic, devil's advocate style, which I figured most people here understood by now. But my actual points (and yes, they are there) seem to be consistently getting misunderstood. I don't know what to say on that score.
It's not your style, jon. It's that it was an inappropriate place to offer your opinion. Your points are indeed being understood -- they're just not being put in the right place. AskMe is not that place. And besides, you seem to positively have a fetish for being misunderstood.
Because that way, the focus is on you. You seem to crave everyone's attention, and when they don't give it, you'll piss on the drapes if you have to. Your flip "hari-kari" comment above (and on preview, it's not about you being "within your rights", either) is just another in a long line of examples. You seem to want everyone to respect your opinions and adopt them as their own, but you're not engaging anyone else's, except superficially. Do you see why it feels like an uphill battle, then, when you're pulling this stunt over and over? Particularly when you're not respecting the original AskMe question that was asked?
You keep talking about your numerous mea culpas. So, it's fine that you are saying that you're sorry, but your successive comments indicate that you're not listening. Here's how you're coming across:
"I'm sorry I did this! But I'm going to tell you why I did it! And why I thought it was a good idea! Didn't I tell you that I said I'm sorry? But here's why I did it! And I justify it thus! And I've said that I'm sorry lots of times already!"
We at mefi, myself included, generally like to think of ourselves as freethinking open-minded individuals. Yet we still generally go bananas when a closely held belief is questioned.
Wait a sec...so now it's everyone else that's being intolerant when they haul you into MeTa?
But I gotta hand it to jonmc for taking the storms of disapproval to which he is fairly regularly subjected with aplomb and good humor.
But that doesn't stop people from piling on, of course.
People aren't piling on jonmc just because he's jonmc or just because he's expressing an opinion, stav -- they're piling on him because he's expressing an opinion where one was not asked for.
All of us can be tone-deaf to how we come across sometimes. It's part of being human, and that's a large part of the reasons for MetaTalk. But methinks Jon doth protest too much.
You know, none of the above should be construed by anyone (especially you, Jon) as not liking jonmc or his opinions. (Hell, I went drinking with him Friday.) I say this because my comments will probably be interpreted as yet another senseless brutal attack on poor Jon, when I'm trying to offer some constructive criticism to a friend.
posted by Vidiot at 1:40 PM on November 14, 2004
You seem to crave everyone's attention, and when they don't give it, you'll piss on the drapes if you have to. Your flip "hari-kari" comment above (and on preview, it's not about you being "within your rights", either) is just another in a long line of examples.
Vidiot, with all due respect, that's not at all what's I'm getting at all.
Experience has taught me that 99% of the time what I'm saying does get misunderstood, and if you think that I enjoy that, you're nuts. It's actually incredibly frustrating.
I've already admitted that i brought up the topic in an inappropriate place. The rest is me trying to articulate why I made the statements I did. And I've seen similar threads elsewhere derailed in similar fashion and nobody says tiddly-poo. In fact when I state an affirmative opinion on something, I fully expect someone to pop up and state the opposite opinion. Not because they don't like me, not because they want to start a fight, but because that's what discussion is, more or less.
And as far as the hari-kari comment goes, I'm literally wondering. I'm apologized, I've admitted it was wrong. What more does he want?
posted by jonmc at 1:52 PM on November 14, 2004
Vidiot, with all due respect, that's not at all what's I'm getting at all.
Experience has taught me that 99% of the time what I'm saying does get misunderstood, and if you think that I enjoy that, you're nuts. It's actually incredibly frustrating.
I've already admitted that i brought up the topic in an inappropriate place. The rest is me trying to articulate why I made the statements I did. And I've seen similar threads elsewhere derailed in similar fashion and nobody says tiddly-poo. In fact when I state an affirmative opinion on something, I fully expect someone to pop up and state the opposite opinion. Not because they don't like me, not because they want to start a fight, but because that's what discussion is, more or less.
And as far as the hari-kari comment goes, I'm literally wondering. I'm apologized, I've admitted it was wrong. What more does he want?
posted by jonmc at 1:52 PM on November 14, 2004
so, you reckon fff is a paedophile?
posted by andrew cooke at 1:58 PM on November 14, 2004
posted by andrew cooke at 1:58 PM on November 14, 2004
Whether or not future questioners will want to frame their queries more tightly, with exclusion clauses and caveats, might be worth them considering.
Oh great! Now I have to get help from my lawyer when asking a question on Askme....well there goes the household budget.
And confidential to members 14459 to 14867 don't forget the slumber party tonight. Is someone bringing the whip cream?
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 2:27 PM on November 14, 2004
Oh great! Now I have to get help from my lawyer when asking a question on Askme....well there goes the household budget.
And confidential to members 14459 to 14867 don't forget the slumber party tonight. Is someone bringing the whip cream?
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 2:27 PM on November 14, 2004
How come no-one called out to MeTa when I got nowt but grief for a question about speed cameras?
Oh well...
posted by twine42 at 2:28 PM on November 14, 2004
Oh well...
posted by twine42 at 2:28 PM on November 14, 2004
so, when are new memberships opening up again? (circular firing squads=old.)
posted by amberglow at 2:29 PM on November 14, 2004
posted by amberglow at 2:29 PM on November 14, 2004
Hello, Jon, have you still not comprehended that you can hurt people by "joking" about pedophilia?
Specifically, perhaps, but not with generalizations like the one that jonmc made. He wasn't accusing any particular person of pedophilia, he was making a off-hand comment about how people who like a certain thing may have pedo tendencies. Not exactly a laugh riot, but certainly not harmful to anyone. Using your own comparison, it would be more like being in an airport and saying (for some reason) that anyone with a green suitcase is probably a terrorist, not pointing and screaming that one person had a bomb.
Also, everyone - get a grip. Seriously.
posted by majcher at 2:33 PM on November 14, 2004
Specifically, perhaps, but not with generalizations like the one that jonmc made. He wasn't accusing any particular person of pedophilia, he was making a off-hand comment about how people who like a certain thing may have pedo tendencies. Not exactly a laugh riot, but certainly not harmful to anyone. Using your own comparison, it would be more like being in an airport and saying (for some reason) that anyone with a green suitcase is probably a terrorist, not pointing and screaming that one person had a bomb.
Also, everyone - get a grip. Seriously.
posted by majcher at 2:33 PM on November 14, 2004
Experience has taught me that 99% of the time what I'm saying does get misunderstood, and if you think that I enjoy that, you're nuts. It's actually incredibly frustrating.
I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but even factoring in hyperbole, if people generally don't understand what you mean, perhaps you aren't actually saying what you mean. Linguistic operator error happens.
posted by headspace at 2:41 PM on November 14, 2004
I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but even factoring in hyperbole, if people generally don't understand what you mean, perhaps you aren't actually saying what you mean. Linguistic operator error happens.
posted by headspace at 2:41 PM on November 14, 2004
Wow, me internet goes down, and look what I miss. FFF, I understand answergrape is female; I was responding to matteo. And it was only half-serious. Honestly, no one is calling anyone's neighbors and telling them to keep their little girls inside, and a random community blog is not the airport--this doesn't even rise to the level of rape haiku.
And I like it when jon defends au naturel; it's nice to have a man on one's side in that debate. But I appreciate that thread wasn't the best place.
posted by dame at 2:46 PM on November 14, 2004
And I like it when jon defends au naturel; it's nice to have a man on one's side in that debate. But I appreciate that thread wasn't the best place.
posted by dame at 2:46 PM on November 14, 2004
> Imagine the consequences if it turns out that answergrape is an elementary
> school teacher. Your accusation of pedophilia has the potential to
> terminate her employment, regardless the lie of your accusation.
The female who gets the wax job is the pedophile, and gets fired for it? You'll have to explain your thinking that one. Or is it illegal on your planet for grown women to put on pigtails and mary janes and go trolling for molesters?
posted by jfuller at 3:04 PM on November 14, 2004
> school teacher. Your accusation of pedophilia has the potential to
> terminate her employment, regardless the lie of your accusation.
The female who gets the wax job is the pedophile, and gets fired for it? You'll have to explain your thinking that one. Or is it illegal on your planet for grown women to put on pigtails and mary janes and go trolling for molesters?
posted by jfuller at 3:04 PM on November 14, 2004
This thread is a surprise to me. While I completely disagree with jonmc, his sentiment is a widely shared one that is taken for granted by a lot of people. Like, say, jonmc and dame, for example. I'm really surprised to see a generally contrary opinion here. I guess you can tell you're getting old when you can no longer keep up with whatever are the current politically correct opinions and what aren't and find they've reversed.
Jonmc deserves censure because a) it was inappropriate for askme; and b) even if it's a non-specific accusation, or even in jest, telling someone that they're a closet pedophile is an incredibly provocative thing to do. On the other hand, per what I wrote in the previous paragraph, jonmc only said what people casually say all the time (or, at least, they used to) on this topic.
I don't know what the "ladies" would do without dobbs.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 3:08 PM on November 14, 2004
Jonmc deserves censure because a) it was inappropriate for askme; and b) even if it's a non-specific accusation, or even in jest, telling someone that they're a closet pedophile is an incredibly provocative thing to do. On the other hand, per what I wrote in the previous paragraph, jonmc only said what people casually say all the time (or, at least, they used to) on this topic.
I don't know what the "ladies" would do without dobbs.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 3:08 PM on November 14, 2004
Well, whaddya know.. I agree with jonmc! Yes, it was off-topic in the AskMe thread, and yes, it was a harmless throwaway comment, the likes of which appears often on AskMe with nary a second glance. And yes, jonmc is taking his pile-on with good grace. (And I personally have made the "hairless women == prepubescent girls" link on more than one occasion, and never meant it to seriously indicate pederasts. I think it's more about the intimation of power, or lack thereof, than an actual desire to sleep with children. I'll think about it a little more carefully next time, though, fff.)
posted by jess at 3:13 PM on November 14, 2004
posted by jess at 3:13 PM on November 14, 2004
and not a single scientific rational so far ...
It is not certain why pubic hair grows in the groin and under the armpit.
One theory suggests that it provides a large surface area for the natural smell of sweat to disperse from.
Personally, I shave to save money on deodorant, and to have less of a stink between showers. If a date does the same then it's just another area of compatibility, not a requirement, and certainly not hoping that they look prepubescent, bleagh!
Are we actually having a MeTa discussion on sexual preferences, sheesh, where will this end up ...
posted by milovoo at 3:22 PM on November 14, 2004
It is not certain why pubic hair grows in the groin and under the armpit.
One theory suggests that it provides a large surface area for the natural smell of sweat to disperse from.
Personally, I shave to save money on deodorant, and to have less of a stink between showers. If a date does the same then it's just another area of compatibility, not a requirement, and certainly not hoping that they look prepubescent, bleagh!
Are we actually having a MeTa discussion on sexual preferences, sheesh, where will this end up ...
posted by milovoo at 3:22 PM on November 14, 2004
...just to add a little moderation to the discussion, I think people should keep in mind that human psychosexuality is a very complex thing and that generalizations about why people do or prefer one thing or another are very suspect. I don't doubt that some people find shaven pubes appealing because it hits some pedophilia button. That certainly doesn't mean that it's true for many, most, or all people. Particularly with regard to sex, people makes these sorts of generalizations all the time, and often very judgmentally...and often falsely. Sometimes truthfully. Often falsely.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 3:23 PM on November 14, 2004
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 3:23 PM on November 14, 2004
And yet I get pulled back in....
Women who get brazilians normally leave some hair as decoration, often referred to as a "landing strip." Some women who have a lot of hair even have an initial or other shape.
So, women with brazilians DO NOT LOOK LIKE 7 YEAR OLD GIRLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Unless of course, 7 year olds are now sporting enough pubic hair to make little Hello Kitty logos.
Can't anyone get their minds around the fact that a lot of women, including myself do not get waxed because some man has asked us? Nor do we stroll around our offices wearing dental floss, thus necessitating the need for a wax? WE LIKE IT. PERIOD. Arghh!
If you choose not to wax or shave, so be it. It's your body, your choice. If you prefer your partners to be bushy and/or hairy, go for it. But don't put your "societal pressure" "subjugation" "pedo" crap on me.
posted by Juicylicious at 3:25 PM on November 14, 2004
Women who get brazilians normally leave some hair as decoration, often referred to as a "landing strip." Some women who have a lot of hair even have an initial or other shape.
So, women with brazilians DO NOT LOOK LIKE 7 YEAR OLD GIRLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Unless of course, 7 year olds are now sporting enough pubic hair to make little Hello Kitty logos.
Can't anyone get their minds around the fact that a lot of women, including myself do not get waxed because some man has asked us? Nor do we stroll around our offices wearing dental floss, thus necessitating the need for a wax? WE LIKE IT. PERIOD. Arghh!
If you choose not to wax or shave, so be it. It's your body, your choice. If you prefer your partners to be bushy and/or hairy, go for it. But don't put your "societal pressure" "subjugation" "pedo" crap on me.
posted by Juicylicious at 3:25 PM on November 14, 2004
Nor do we stroll around our offices wearing dental floss, thus necessitating the need for a wax?
You don't? Well there goes that fantasy.
posted by Stynxno at 3:32 PM on November 14, 2004
You don't? Well there goes that fantasy.
posted by Stynxno at 3:32 PM on November 14, 2004
ah crap, i only meant to quote the part before the comma.
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posted by Stynxno at 3:32 PM on November 14, 2004
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posted by Stynxno at 3:32 PM on November 14, 2004
dobbs is right. it's not an issue of whether jonmc's remark was polite or entertaining or expressive of himself or whatever--his comment just wasn't relevant. not a big deal in this case, but yeah, something to remember about ask me. as he said, answergrape didn't post a question about what guys on mefi thought about waxing. she was asking for technique. responding to a guy posting to askme about how to avoid five o'clock shadows and razor bumps now that he's going to shave his beard (a question that seems to get asked like, every other month) by saying "you know, beards are hot and you should keep yours" would be similarly irrelevant noise.
and jonmc's defense that he's expressed himself before on mefi doesn't hold that well given the point is that it happened on askme, where we're supposed to be striving to just answer questions and keep side remarks and snark to a minimum.
posted by ifjuly at 3:47 PM on November 14, 2004
and jonmc's defense that he's expressed himself before on mefi doesn't hold that well given the point is that it happened on askme, where we're supposed to be striving to just answer questions and keep side remarks and snark to a minimum.
posted by ifjuly at 3:47 PM on November 14, 2004
Fuck you, andrew cooke. I know, you were trolling, and this means you win. Whatever.
posted by five fresh fish at 4:34 PM on November 14, 2004
posted by five fresh fish at 4:34 PM on November 14, 2004
The hell with jonmc and his lack of tact...when is the slumber party for 1700-2250 going to be announced??
posted by rushmc at 5:12 PM on November 14, 2004
posted by rushmc at 5:12 PM on November 14, 2004
And confidential to members 14459 to 14867 don't forget the slumber party tonight
when is the slumber party for 1700-2250 going to be announced??
what the hell people, am i not gonna get in on any of the action at all...!? you... you hairy bastards...!
posted by t r a c y at 5:26 PM on November 14, 2004
when is the slumber party for 1700-2250 going to be announced??
what the hell people, am i not gonna get in on any of the action at all...!? you... you hairy bastards...!
posted by t r a c y at 5:26 PM on November 14, 2004
t r a c y, my sweet and erudite user number neighbor, is it too late for another mea culpa in this thread?
Howzabout ... a 1k Hot Tub Party?
I got a jacuzzi with a beautiful view, the cristal is chillin, and we low-four-digits got some serious get-downin' ahead...
posted by chicobangs at 5:35 PM on November 14, 2004
Howzabout ... a 1k Hot Tub Party?
I got a jacuzzi with a beautiful view, the cristal is chillin, and we low-four-digits got some serious get-downin' ahead...
posted by chicobangs at 5:35 PM on November 14, 2004
Curse my user number! Curse it to hell!
posted by five fresh fish at 5:44 PM on November 14, 2004
posted by five fresh fish at 5:44 PM on November 14, 2004
t r a c y, are there really adult women with an average complement of head/eyebrow/arm/armpit/leg hair whose mons veneris and vulva are "naturally hairless"?
Because I've done my share of both muff-diving and giving sponge-baths to hospital patients, and I have never, never, never encountered that.
My experience is that the pubic hair is the most tenacious hair on the body--even when the head hair and eyebrows have fallen out from chemotherapy, the pubes still cling on.
posted by Sidhedevil at 5:46 PM on November 14, 2004
Because I've done my share of both muff-diving and giving sponge-baths to hospital patients, and I have never, never, never encountered that.
My experience is that the pubic hair is the most tenacious hair on the body--even when the head hair and eyebrows have fallen out from chemotherapy, the pubes still cling on.
posted by Sidhedevil at 5:46 PM on November 14, 2004
....hot tub? Did someone say hot tub? I knew there was a reason I liked my user number...
posted by amandaudoff at 5:49 PM on November 14, 2004
posted by amandaudoff at 5:49 PM on November 14, 2004
t r a c y, are there really...
i don't know about what you specifically describe but all i have is hair on my head and sparse eyebrows and eyelashes. nothing anywhere else, arms and legs included. also some folks have a condition where all their hair falls out.. i have a gorgeous adult girlfriend who lost all her hair in her early teens and she hasn't got a single hair on her anywhere.
posted by t r a c y at 5:53 PM on November 14, 2004
i don't know about what you specifically describe but all i have is hair on my head and sparse eyebrows and eyelashes. nothing anywhere else, arms and legs included. also some folks have a condition where all their hair falls out.. i have a gorgeous adult girlfriend who lost all her hair in her early teens and she hasn't got a single hair on her anywhere.
posted by t r a c y at 5:53 PM on November 14, 2004
I don't know what the "ladies" would do without dobbs.
Fuck you, Bligh.
You've made it very clear in countless threads that you're unable to wrap your idiot man-child brain around the concept of a male being offended by sexism and misogyny--do you really need to keep repeating it? (I suppose you've never heard of non-minorities being offended by racism and straight people disgusted by homophobia, either.)
I am so sick of your verbose, condescending rhetoric, you cannot imagine.
Matt, when can I start paying for premium membership with a fucking kill-filter on it?
posted by dobbs at 5:55 PM on November 14, 2004
Fuck you, Bligh.
You've made it very clear in countless threads that you're unable to wrap your idiot man-child brain around the concept of a male being offended by sexism and misogyny--do you really need to keep repeating it? (I suppose you've never heard of non-minorities being offended by racism and straight people disgusted by homophobia, either.)
I am so sick of your verbose, condescending rhetoric, you cannot imagine.
Matt, when can I start paying for premium membership with a fucking kill-filter on it?
posted by dobbs at 5:55 PM on November 14, 2004
t r a c y, I, too, have known people who had less or no hair than usual on arms/legs/head/etc./as well as in the pubic region. I can't imagine that anyone would think of that as "pedo-bait". For whatever reason, I thought your post implied that some people were naturally hairless in the genital region only and that surprised me.
Juicylicious, the definition of "Brazilian" in your part of the US is much different than the definition of "Brazilian" in my part of the US. Here, you have to ask them specially to leave any kind of "landing strip" or other pubic topiary--the default setting is "everything goes".
posted by Sidhedevil at 6:00 PM on November 14, 2004
Juicylicious, the definition of "Brazilian" in your part of the US is much different than the definition of "Brazilian" in my part of the US. Here, you have to ask them specially to leave any kind of "landing strip" or other pubic topiary--the default setting is "everything goes".
posted by Sidhedevil at 6:00 PM on November 14, 2004
Brazilian here in NYC is not "everything goes" (and i think the salon mentioned is the one that started the trend here in the US): What it is: a very thorough waxing where every bit of hair -- and I mean every last bit -- is removed except for a thin landing strip.
posted by amberglow at 6:28 PM on November 14, 2004
posted by amberglow at 6:28 PM on November 14, 2004
Yeah, but I'm not as verbose, see. So I got that going for me.
posted by dobbs at 7:15 PM on November 14, 2004
posted by dobbs at 7:15 PM on November 14, 2004
Howzabout ... a 1k Hot Tub Party?
finally...! woohoo, last one in is a hairless cat...! heh.
*splash*
posted by t r a c y at 7:20 PM on November 14, 2004
finally...! woohoo, last one in is a hairless cat...! heh.
*splash*
posted by t r a c y at 7:20 PM on November 14, 2004
dobbs, maybe you could fuck off and relieve your sexual tensions somewhere else.
posted by four panels at 7:28 PM on November 14, 2004
posted by four panels at 7:28 PM on November 14, 2004
Awright! We're gonna party like it's 1999 (or less)!
It's good to be 1k.
Now would everyone who's going to fuck off please get on with it? Mellows are now officially being harshed.
posted by chicobangs at 7:35 PM on November 14, 2004
It's good to be 1k.
Now would everyone who's going to fuck off please get on with it? Mellows are now officially being harshed.
posted by chicobangs at 7:35 PM on November 14, 2004
/grabs the champagne.
Champagne for the real friends and real pain for the...well, you know how it goes.
(And chicobangs? I can't be the only one who thought that said : "Now would everyone who's going to fuck please get on with it?" Er...)
posted by amandaudoff at 7:39 PM on November 14, 2004
Champagne for the real friends and real pain for the...well, you know how it goes.
(And chicobangs? I can't be the only one who thought that said : "Now would everyone who's going to fuck please get on with it?" Er...)
posted by amandaudoff at 7:39 PM on November 14, 2004
But don't put your "societal pressure" "subjugation" "pedo" crap on me.
Except if so many people keep doing as you do, you keep raising the bar for us lazy, hairy fuckers. And then men want to know why we won't do it. I keep trying to explain that armpit hair is hot, and there you are with your pubic topiary taking more and more off. Damn you!
Yes, this is teasing with a bit of truth. But honestly it doesn't matter what anyone thinks if you aren't fucking them. Yet this won't stop people from having opinions. Ah, the paradoxes of humanity.
posted by dame at 8:09 PM on November 14, 2004
Except if so many people keep doing as you do, you keep raising the bar for us lazy, hairy fuckers. And then men want to know why we won't do it. I keep trying to explain that armpit hair is hot, and there you are with your pubic topiary taking more and more off. Damn you!
Yes, this is teasing with a bit of truth. But honestly it doesn't matter what anyone thinks if you aren't fucking them. Yet this won't stop people from having opinions. Ah, the paradoxes of humanity.
posted by dame at 8:09 PM on November 14, 2004
Amberglow, that link is from 1999, though. My recollection is that "landing strip" was the default in 1999, but my perception is that "totally hairless" is now certainly the default in Boston, and perhaps in NY as well (I see more naked ladies in Boston, because that's where my health club is).
And the J Sisters, who are very good (I had my least-painful ever bikini wax there courtesy of Jocelyn, I think) launched the trend on the East Coast of the US. It was already big in Vegas and LA, though.
posted by Sidhedevil at 8:12 PM on November 14, 2004
And the J Sisters, who are very good (I had my least-painful ever bikini wax there courtesy of Jocelyn, I think) launched the trend on the East Coast of the US. It was already big in Vegas and LA, though.
posted by Sidhedevil at 8:12 PM on November 14, 2004
I'm with Sidhedevil here. When you go to get your eyebrows done in NYC they try to rip out all of your pubic hair. They've made it obligatory with 'just an inch at the back' hair cuts.
posted by goneill at 8:53 PM on November 14, 2004
posted by goneill at 8:53 PM on November 14, 2004
dobbs, maybe you could fuck off and relieve your sexual tensions somewhere else.
Is there some place you can suggest where I can annoy a larger ratio of armchair psychologists : post than Metafilter?
posted by dobbs at 9:15 PM on November 14, 2004
Is there some place you can suggest where I can annoy a larger ratio of armchair psychologists : post than Metafilter?
posted by dobbs at 9:15 PM on November 14, 2004
bemoans her extremely high user number
now, exactly why did I braid my pubic hairs?
posted by kamylyon at 9:37 PM on November 14, 2004
now, exactly why did I braid my pubic hairs?
posted by kamylyon at 9:37 PM on November 14, 2004
Nor do we stroll around our offices wearing dental floss, thus necessitating the need for a wax?
Actually, about 1 in 5 people prefer unwaxed dental floss.
posted by fvw at 9:46 PM on November 14, 2004
Actually, about 1 in 5 people prefer unwaxed dental floss.
posted by fvw at 9:46 PM on November 14, 2004
Fine, then. Same time next week, hirsute-optional 1k people? A little clubbin', a little tubbin', we can talk brazilians over manhattans...
Frankly, I'm impressed at dabitch's ability to stay underwater so long. (In a purely single-entendre way, I hasten to add.)
posted by chicobangs at 9:56 PM on November 14, 2004
Frankly, I'm impressed at dabitch's ability to stay underwater so long. (In a purely single-entendre way, I hasten to add.)
posted by chicobangs at 9:56 PM on November 14, 2004
mr_crash_davis, the advantage is yours for the most concise reason that jonmc's original comment was out of place. But big deal; no need for a dogpile. He stood up to it better than I would have. And fffish shore is wound up about that pedophile stuff, yessir. I'll sleep better knowing he's on patrol.
posted by squirrel at 10:46 PM on November 14, 2004
posted by squirrel at 10:46 PM on November 14, 2004
Why has it taken >100 comments to discuss that staying on-topic is a good thing?
posted by scarabic at 11:40 PM on November 14, 2004
posted by scarabic at 11:40 PM on November 14, 2004
I'm only commenting here so that in the future I can tell my grandchildren that I got in on the pubic hair(less) thread. However, it's important to take a position on these things, and my position is pro-unwaxed dental floss.
posted by taz at 12:03 AM on November 15, 2004
posted by taz at 12:03 AM on November 15, 2004
So, for future reference: All out-of-context posts are annoying but ignorable, unless the content of such posts is not ignorable, in which case the out-of-context post itself is now not-ignorable. However, content is always subjective/open to interpretation/valuable as free speech; so, after furious and long-winded debate, not-ignorable out-of-context posts are allowed to remain for their subjective/open to interpretation/valuable as free speech posts.
Kind of a neat little loop we got here.
posted by cohappy at 12:15 AM on November 15, 2004
Kind of a neat little loop we got here.
posted by cohappy at 12:15 AM on November 15, 2004
from a female friend of mine: "Hair smells."
That is all.
posted by Space Coyote at 12:26 AM on November 15, 2004
That is all.
posted by Space Coyote at 12:26 AM on November 15, 2004
121 comments.
posted by Keyser Soze at 1:07 AM on November 15, 2004
posted by Keyser Soze at 1:07 AM on November 15, 2004
from a female friend of mine: "Hair smells."
By design. We were supposed to like it that way before all this soap-and-deodorant business.
And it's about damn time, too.
posted by DaShiv at 1:37 AM on November 15, 2004
By design. We were supposed to like it that way before all this soap-and-deodorant business.
And it's about damn time, too.
posted by DaShiv at 1:37 AM on November 15, 2004
I actually really appreciate that sentiment DaShive, but it's almost the most compelling reason to do something that otherwise, I have absolutiely no inclination to do - go through a lot of pain, effort, cost, and embarassment in order to denude the pubes. I definitely won't be going somewhere for some protective-gloved stranger to yank the weeds from my private garden (how embarrassing to have more hair on my arms than on my woo-woo, eh?), but this argument actually makes me take the whole thing more seriously instead of less. If I were younger and single, maybe I would be doing this as a regular grooming protocol, I don't know - but I did manage to evade other things (like sparkly lip gloss) that seemed to become de rigeur for a period - so who knows?
posted by taz at 6:52 AM on November 15, 2004
posted by taz at 6:52 AM on November 15, 2004
I thought a brazilian was everything goes, too. Thinner and thinner "landing strips" were getting fashionable, and then people starting talking about "brazilians" which seemed insane a few years back, and now they seem to be pretty normal (like how thongs were once the trashiest & most "porn star" type fashion, and now are completely normal). Especially on that askme thread, where everyone seemed to have advice. It does put pressure on everyone when something becomes normal... To go against the flow becomes much harder the more extreme the "norm" becomes.
posted by mdn at 7:15 AM on November 15, 2004
posted by mdn at 7:15 AM on November 15, 2004
*emerges from hot tub*
Could someone start a blue thread on the fashion of personal hair grooming? It seems everyone wants to talk about it. This thread is about the irrelevant noise as response to questions in the green. Yaknow, in case anyone forgot.
this tub ain't big enough for all of us!
posted by dabitch at 7:29 AM on November 15, 2004
Could someone start a blue thread on the fashion of personal hair grooming? It seems everyone wants to talk about it. This thread is about the irrelevant noise as response to questions in the green. Yaknow, in case anyone forgot.
this tub ain't big enough for all of us!
posted by dabitch at 7:29 AM on November 15, 2004
I thought this thread was about hot tub parties?
I think the main question of the thread is a good one, though. Because sometimes, I think the answer to the question is a bit of a sidetrack. Like the 'what can I get for a hundred bucks for my female friends that won't make them feel like I want to sleep with them?' question. Where my answer was basically 'uh, nothing, really, why are you buying pricey gifts for platonic friends?'. It wasn't answering the question that was asked, because the question itself seemed off target. On the other hand, I wasn't trying to make a values judgment (perhaps implying that secretly he wanted in their pants or somesuch), but rather pointing out that any gift at all might be seen as outside the norm for behaviour, which might be behind the issues. I think the line between helpful sidelines and insulting tangents is pretty blurry.
posted by jacquilynne at 7:47 AM on November 15, 2004
I think the main question of the thread is a good one, though. Because sometimes, I think the answer to the question is a bit of a sidetrack. Like the 'what can I get for a hundred bucks for my female friends that won't make them feel like I want to sleep with them?' question. Where my answer was basically 'uh, nothing, really, why are you buying pricey gifts for platonic friends?'. It wasn't answering the question that was asked, because the question itself seemed off target. On the other hand, I wasn't trying to make a values judgment (perhaps implying that secretly he wanted in their pants or somesuch), but rather pointing out that any gift at all might be seen as outside the norm for behaviour, which might be behind the issues. I think the line between helpful sidelines and insulting tangents is pretty blurry.
posted by jacquilynne at 7:47 AM on November 15, 2004
*loves dabitch* ... No, really *loves dabitch. Comes up for breath. Goes back down*
posted by taz at 8:00 AM on November 15, 2004
posted by taz at 8:00 AM on November 15, 2004
I vote for Chinese-crested over Mexican-hairless. No pubic hair just looks alien to me. And not alien as in INS. Alien as in ET.
posted by TimeFactor at 8:19 AM on November 15, 2004
posted by TimeFactor at 8:19 AM on November 15, 2004
I leave for the night and everyone has a hot tub party without me? Dayum you bitches are flaky (and some of you are pretty hairy, but I ain't pointing fingers).
posted by Juicylicious at 8:37 AM on November 15, 2004
posted by Juicylicious at 8:37 AM on November 15, 2004
*loves dabitch* ... No, really *loves dabitch. Comes up for breath. Goes back down*
Tubs...girls...er, there's a meme in this somewhere....
posted by dash_slot- at 8:42 AM on November 15, 2004
Tubs...girls...er, there's a meme in this somewhere....
posted by dash_slot- at 8:42 AM on November 15, 2004
don't be silly, dash_slot, something like that would never fly.
posted by taz at 9:16 AM on November 15, 2004
posted by taz at 9:16 AM on November 15, 2004
Well, miz licious, this flaky bitch was waiting all night for a little extra moisturizer, if you know what I mean.
(What do I mean?)
Ah, I feel like a prune this morning. A prune with some serious afterglow.
We must do this again sometime.
posted by chicobangs at 9:39 AM on November 15, 2004
(What do I mean?)
Ah, I feel like a prune this morning. A prune with some serious afterglow.
We must do this again sometime.
posted by chicobangs at 9:39 AM on November 15, 2004
A prune with an afterglow? Hmmm. That's be a Brazilian with a happy ending, right?
posted by five fresh fish at 11:30 AM on November 15, 2004
posted by five fresh fish at 11:30 AM on November 15, 2004
...and we all lived hairlessly ever after.
Yep. Happy ending, indeed.
Oh, you mean that kind. Yeah, well. I wasn't complaining about the virtual girl-boy ratio last night...
posted by chicobangs at 12:00 PM on November 15, 2004
Yep. Happy ending, indeed.
Oh, you mean that kind. Yeah, well. I wasn't complaining about the virtual girl-boy ratio last night...
posted by chicobangs at 12:00 PM on November 15, 2004
I think all this sexual talk and innuendo makes this an unfriendly place for the "ladies". Have you no respect?
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 1:00 PM on November 15, 2004
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 1:00 PM on November 15, 2004
Me, I used to prefer unwaxed dental floss, but now I don't care, as long as it isn't mint.
And confidential to members 14459 to 14867 don't forget the slumber party tonight.
Damn it, I missed the slumber party!
*flosses self in a surly fashion*
posted by languagehat at 1:27 PM on November 15, 2004
And confidential to members 14459 to 14867 don't forget the slumber party tonight.
Damn it, I missed the slumber party!
*flosses self in a surly fashion*
posted by languagehat at 1:27 PM on November 15, 2004
Dammit, I'm excluded again. That's it, I'm throwing an invitation-only party for users 13257-13259, exclusive.
posted by five fresh fish at 3:15 PM on November 15, 2004
posted by five fresh fish at 3:15 PM on November 15, 2004
14171. I miss out again. Sniff.
posted by Juicylicious at 3:54 PM on November 15, 2004
posted by Juicylicious at 3:54 PM on November 15, 2004
> an unfriendly place for the "ladies".
Now, EB, is that what you call them? (*touches finger to lips*)
How... illuminating.
I call mine "Huntley and Brinkley."
Long story.
posted by chicobangs at 3:59 PM on November 15, 2004
Now, EB, is that what you call them? (*touches finger to lips*)
How... illuminating.
I call mine "Huntley and Brinkley."
Long story.
posted by chicobangs at 3:59 PM on November 15, 2004
No, that's why it's in quotes.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 4:07 PM on November 15, 2004
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 4:07 PM on November 15, 2004
Chico, your number's coming up pretty soon. Have your girl call my girl.
posted by astruc at 11:58 PM on November 15, 2004
posted by astruc at 11:58 PM on November 15, 2004
Awright!!!1!!!
Who's my girl!
No, seriously. Who's my girl?
posted by chicobangs at 6:15 AM on November 16, 2004
Who's my girl!
No, seriously. Who's my girl?
posted by chicobangs at 6:15 AM on November 16, 2004
To go against the flow becomes much harder the more extreme the "norm" becomes.
I wouldn't say I'm that extreme.
posted by norm at 7:36 AM on November 16, 2004
I wouldn't say I'm that extreme.
posted by norm at 7:36 AM on November 16, 2004
How can a norm be "extreme"?
posted by five fresh fish at 8:45 AM on November 16, 2004
posted by five fresh fish at 8:45 AM on November 16, 2004
Ah. That would do it, then.
posted by five fresh fish at 10:19 AM on November 16, 2004
posted by five fresh fish at 10:19 AM on November 16, 2004
Squirrel, how long have you been sitting on that image?
posted by chicobangs at 11:02 AM on November 16, 2004
posted by chicobangs at 11:02 AM on November 16, 2004
Chill out people!
If you don't like the comments, skip over them. It's not like they're purposely hateful or something. Get over it.
I had to deal with a year of boring as hell US election propaganda on the front page of MeFi, the very LEAST you can all do is deal with a few not-totally-on-topic AxMe answers.
Jeez.
posted by shepd at 4:40 PM on November 16, 2004
If you don't like the comments, skip over them. It's not like they're purposely hateful or something. Get over it.
I had to deal with a year of boring as hell US election propaganda on the front page of MeFi, the very LEAST you can all do is deal with a few not-totally-on-topic AxMe answers.
Jeez.
posted by shepd at 4:40 PM on November 16, 2004
I think you're missing the point, shepd - it was the specific topic that was the problem. It was a question about waxing which suddenly turned into a convo about what jonmc liked. He's apologised ad nauseam so I think we can let it go now, but the callout was more to do with men feeling free to give their preferences wrt to women's bodies at any opportunity, rather than the fact that an AskMe comment was off topic.
posted by different at 8:34 AM on November 17, 2004
posted by different at 8:34 AM on November 17, 2004
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posted by dobbs at 8:14 PM on November 13, 2004