Self-link Callout March 7, 2006 6:21 PM   Subscribe

I'm pretty sure this post about nuvvo.com is a self-link.
posted by the jam to Bugs at 6:21 PM (72 comments total)

THAT IS CORRECT SIR
posted by mr_crash_davis at 6:27 PM on March 7, 2006


I like zombo.com much better, and you can do anything you want there.
posted by iconomy at 6:41 PM on March 7, 2006


the only limit is yourself!
posted by quonsar at 6:45 PM on March 7, 2006


the unattainable is unknown there.
posted by quonsar at 6:46 PM on March 7, 2006


self-linkr 2.0
posted by moonbird at 6:46 PM on March 7, 2006


WELCOME. TO WEB. 2.0.
posted by brownpau at 7:14 PM on March 7, 2006


Wow, that's actually a really intresting idea. Too bad it will never work, and has an ugly web page.
posted by delmoi at 7:15 PM on March 7, 2006


His comments weren't entirely terrible, either, which means that he spent time reading things just to get his site on here for a few minutes. What a fucking idiot.
posted by Optimus Chyme at 7:20 PM on March 7, 2006


the word "no" has no place in our vocabulary
posted by cortex at 7:25 PM on March 7, 2006


too bad cause it does seem like a really interesting idea.
posted by freudianslipper at 7:47 PM on March 7, 2006


Oh, man. I could listen to brownpau read the phone book.
posted by boo_radley at 7:56 PM on March 7, 2006


So fast. My head spins!
posted by Astro Zombie at 8:05 PM on March 7, 2006


WELCOME. TO WEB. 2.0.
posted by brownpau

LOL!
posted by freudianslipper at 8:28 PM on March 7, 2006


*sharpens pitchfork 2.0*
posted by kosem at 8:31 PM on March 7, 2006


Hmmm.


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---just seemed interesting, is all.
posted by exlotuseater at 8:38 PM on March 7, 2006


Indeed.
posted by TwelveTwo at 9:51 PM on March 7, 2006


So, just to be sure I've got this right, Dave Ritter from the nuvvo team just deliberately violated the guidelines of a popular community blog. Dave Ritter from the nuvvo team signed up, did the bare minimum necessary to get posting rights, and then shit on what's probably the most important rule here, the rule against selfishly linking to your own stuff. In effect, Dave Ritter from the nuvvo team took a steaming dump on Metafilter just to get a few dishonest hits to his site, which is about the lamest, most disrespectful thing a person can do here. Did I get that right? Is that really what Dave Ritter from the nuvvo team just did?
posted by mediareport at 9:58 PM on March 7, 2006


Not Dave Ritter. Isn't he still in prison for pederasty?

Or maybe I'm thinking of another Dave Ritter. I get so easily confused. Maybe I'm thinking of another name altogether.
posted by Astro Zombie at 10:11 PM on March 7, 2006


Astro, if I may, I think we have a better case for these little bomblets if we keep them factual - the truth hurts and all that. This way we can (perhaps fool ourselves that we) punish the offender without resorting to the juvenile stuff that turns some folks here -- like Matt -- off.
posted by mediareport at 10:17 PM on March 7, 2006


Then I must have been thinking of another man altogether.
posted by Astro Zombie at 10:25 PM on March 7, 2006


Shame about his cousin John, anyway.
posted by cortex at 11:07 PM on March 7, 2006


Wow, there have been over four thousand users since I signed up in November. That's over $20k for Matt, in 4 months. $60k a year in signups, that's completely disregarding ad revenue.
posted by Paris Hilton at 11:13 PM on March 7, 2006


Not every increment of the count is an actual new user, apparently, for no well-explained reason.

Nonetheless, a few bucks have been rolling in, that seems fair to assume.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 11:21 PM on March 7, 2006


Dave Ritter's Bio:
Dave
As the erudite and loquacious bluestocking of the company, I am charged with facilitating the perspicuous and incontrovertible prose style so associated with our undertaking. Having graduated summa cum laude in English Literature from Trent University, I remain uniquely credentialed for my métier as wordsmith.

Were I to find myself at leisure, I would most definitively be found perusing unmitigated classics of western philosophy, poetry, and prose. I can merely approximate the joys I possess in music of the Mid-Twentieth Century, and the writing thereof: ALLTIMECHAMPION.
How sad.

Also, his picture is right here: third entry down.

I wonder if we can get Malgosia to spank him for being such a twit as to piss off a sizable net community?
posted by five fresh fish at 11:22 PM on March 7, 2006


Also, I thought bluestockings were, you know . . . women. Dave Ritter from the nuvvo team is female?

And if Dave Ritter from the nuvvo team were as nitpicky and super-correct as he'd like to project, wouldn't he have said he'd been graduated?
posted by booksandlibretti at 11:34 PM on March 7, 2006


Yeah, it was dave ritter that did that post, which is unfortunate. You'd think with the big scary warning and a clear link to Projects that people would go that route instead.

Wow, there have been over four thousand users since I signed up in November. That's over $20k for Matt, in 4 months. $60k a year in signups, that's completely disregarding ad revenue.

Naw, that's misleading. four thousand people started a signup and got an ID, but about one in ten end up finishing the paypal process. I think my average is about 200-300 users a month (about 5-10 a day that pay), roughly doing $1,000-1500 a month in signups. My hosting bill is now about $750 a month, so it's not a huge profit center for me.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 11:45 PM on March 7, 2006


I actually graduated from the University of Waterloo with a Computer Science degree by accident. I was under the impression that I was attending a seminar on the use of Pong in International Dispute Resolution. Four years and a degree later, I'm proud to say that I'm really passionate about my role as software architect on Nuvvo.







I'm passonate about him being a total fucking douche.
posted by Paris Hilton at 11:47 PM on March 7, 2006


You deleted them, you DELETED them!? I was quoting SAWICA!
posted by Paris Hilton at 11:49 PM on March 7, 2006


Also, I thought bluestockings were, you know . . . women. Dave Ritter from the nuvvo team is female?

Tell me the truth, you defined: bluestocking'd, right? before my post was so lugorbiously deleted?
posted by Paris Hilton at 11:52 PM on March 7, 2006


Yeah, it was dave ritter that did that post, which is unfortunate. You'd think with the big scary warning and a clear link to Projects that people would go that route instead."

I can't say I'm happy about all the n00bs posting projects. What's the policy on that?
posted by Paris Hilton at 11:55 PM on March 7, 2006


I should really shut up now.
posted by Paris Hilton at 11:55 PM on March 7, 2006


That's the wrong picture. This is our spammer:



Let me be the first to say "lmao."
posted by Optimus Chyme at 12:04 AM on March 8, 2006


Paris, I have no clue what you're talking about. Did you already define "bluestocking" in a comment that was deleted? If so, I didn't see yours before I commented.
posted by booksandlibretti at 12:19 AM on March 8, 2006


Oh Paris Hilton, you gone an dun me wrong!
You made me fer to weep, Paris Hilton!
I were only gone out workin', an' I weren't gone that long
But now I find yer love fer me is wiltin'!

Fer when I came a-home, frum out a-workin' all the day,
I found you with another fella!
He wuz big an' he was bad, and he done chased me away,
I sure wish I hadn't been so yella!

*CHORUS*

I ain't fine enough fer you, Paris Hilton!
I'm a chedder cheese, an' yer a stilton!
I'm a slug a moonshine, and yer a fine red wine -
Goddam it bitch, I thought that you were mine.
posted by the quidnunc kid at 12:30 AM on March 8, 2006


I wish we could have one fucking day without a spammer/self-linker.
posted by Devils Slide at 12:37 AM on March 8, 2006


Thanks, quid, that water felt really good coming out of my nose.
posted by rhiannon at 1:05 AM on March 8, 2006


Why don't people learn to use ENTIRELY NEW USERNAMES THAT THEY'VE NEVER USED ANYWHERE ELSE if they are going to spam?

Actually, they probably have, and we've likely just not caught them.
posted by By The Grace of God at 1:41 AM on March 8, 2006


brownpau, that is effing brilliant.
posted by grouse at 3:26 AM on March 8, 2006


Thanks for making that important tip, there, Grace. I'm sure they'll keep it in mind from now on. And brownpau, I had no idea you were a dog hand-puppet.
posted by crunchland at 4:03 AM on March 8, 2006


I'm sure that they already know already, crunchland, so my tip is irrelevant to the spammers - security through obscurity doesn't work anyway - the question is, how many spammers are slipping through the cracks?
posted by By The Grace of God at 4:23 AM on March 8, 2006


There, but for the grace of God, go they.
posted by crunchland at 4:36 AM on March 8, 2006


Paris, I have no clue what you're talking about. Did you already define "bluestocking" in a comment that was deleted? If so, I didn't see yours before I commented.

Yes. And I linked to the same wikipedia entry, which I found by doing by typing 'define: bluestocking'
posted by Paris Hilton at 6:11 AM on March 8, 2006


basicaly my comment just made fun of two of the other sawica dudes, our spammer and the nerdy CS guy in a sweater on the bottom, who's bio sounded like a personals ad.
posted by Paris Hilton at 6:12 AM on March 8, 2006


That's the wrong picture. This is our spammer:

Matt deleted my post making fun of the spammer, I was up to the above matt damon in the company.
posted by Paris Hilton at 6:14 AM on March 8, 2006


Paris ... take your own advice.
posted by crunchland at 6:16 AM on March 8, 2006




Isn't that Velma, from Scooby-Doo?
posted by fandango_matt at 7:32 AM on March 8, 2006


Now when I were a younger man
I worked with my hands!
All over this country
An' in forr-un lands

But now I've got older
My hairs a-turnin' grey
It's back to God's own country
I'm a longing to stray.

*CHORUS*

Aw cruchland! You knows I'm a dreamer!
An' I'm dreamin' of yer love to-night!
Yer soft rollin' meadows, yer dry dusty plains,
Yer wetlands an' mountainous parts!
Aw let me inside you - ease this traveller's pains -
I need immigration clearance to yer heart.
posted by the quidnunc kid at 7:33 AM on March 8, 2006


Isn't that Velma, from Scooby-Doo?

Then that means Dave is correct in her usage of "bluestocking."

And there have been far, far stranger names for women (Moon Unit, for starters), so I suppose I shouldn't be too surprised that a woman might be named "Dave."
posted by five fresh fish at 7:42 AM on March 8, 2006


Not every increment of the count is an actual new user, apparently, for no well-explained reason

Because the count goes up when someone signs up but fails to pay the $5. I imagine a non-negligible number of people go through the sign-up process but fail to pull the trigger on actually paying.
posted by Mid at 8:10 AM on March 8, 2006


These spambomb signups aren't all that different from the "THEY'RE THROWING ME OFF EBAY FOR SELLING THIS - L@@@@K!!!" auctions. Unless we hire matteo to perform background checks on every new user prior to allowing posting on their account (not a bad idea, actually), we can expect more of these messes to follow. These shaming tactics of posting photos and adding "_ drowns puppies & kittens" snarks are nowhere as effective as having mattamyn post a banner stating that the offending user/site abuses the public bandwidth of community forums.
posted by Smart Dalek at 8:45 AM on March 8, 2006


Paris ... take your own advice.

I don't know if you noticed this, but someone asked me a direct question.
posted by Paris Hilton at 9:53 AM on March 8, 2006


Because the count goes up when someone signs up but fails to pay the $5. I imagine a non-negligible number of people go through the sign-up process but fail to pull the trigger on actually paying.

Well, maybe matt should change the system to pay first, name later, with a way to check to see if an existing name is taken.

We must stop this egregious numeric waste!
posted by Paris Hilton at 9:57 AM on March 8, 2006


As the erudite and loquacious bluestocking of the company, I am charged with facilitating the perspicuous and incontrovertible prose style so associated with our undertaking. Having graduated summa cum laude in English Literature from Trent University, I remain uniquely credentialed for my métier as wordsmith.


Anyone who would write that where other people could read it is seriously pustulant. Or is a visitor from about 200 years ago. Or both.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 12:37 PM on March 8, 2006


Anyone who would write that where other people could read it is seriously pustulant.

I take severe umbrage at your libelous charge; and further guarantee that your offense shall be repayed in full as consequence of the web-log missive I am so righteously penning even as we herein converse.

Whereas, so far as your mother is concerned, never have I encountered another woman of so questionable moral standing. Sirrah.
posted by cortex at 12:52 PM on March 8, 2006


Email them! mailto:support@nuvvo.com Tell them how you feel!
posted by Baby_Balrog at 2:52 PM on March 8, 2006


Because the count goes up when someone signs up but fails to pay the $5. I imagine a non-negligible number of people go through the sign-up process but fail to pull the trigger on actually paying.

Yes, I know. What remains unexplained is why that should be the case.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 3:56 PM on March 8, 2006


What remains unexplained is why that should be the case.

Which? The failure to pay, or the incrementing of the counter?

I have pat answers prepared for either, but I want to save on my typing.
posted by cortex at 4:20 PM on March 8, 2006


The latter, if it matters.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 4:38 PM on March 8, 2006


He's from Trent University? I feel so dirty inside, now. My poor beautiful little liberal arts university.

For the record, Trent doesn't do "sigma cum laude" distinctions. I smell something fishy.

You give my alma matter a bad name, Dave Ritter.
posted by generichuman at 5:24 PM on March 8, 2006


Shit! I think I remember him! (Dis)Advantage: Small University.

Weird, I dimly recall him as a nice guy. Although I probably only talked to him when drunk. Or I'm thinking of someone else.
posted by generichuman at 5:25 PM on March 8, 2006


The latter, if it matters.

Ah! Here's why the counter gets incremented even when they don't pay—because that's the way it is now (and is that way because it was easy to do that way) and changing it requires effort.
posted by cortex at 5:59 PM on March 8, 2006


Jeez, talk about an unfulfilling answer.
posted by crunchland at 6:38 PM on March 8, 2006


The IDs get incremented because people get to pick a username and fill in their details and I guess I could toss that into a temp db, and move it over to the real user one when they pay but what's the point? How many forms have you ever filled out that required payment first? (answer: none). Places like amazon let you specify what you want, where you want to send it, how you want to send it, and then at the last step, how to pay for it. That's what users expect.

There's nothing sacred about user ID numbers here, so I don't really care if there are thousands of unused ones in the db.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 9:10 PM on March 8, 2006


Well, a semi-accurate count of newly active members *would* at least be interesting information...
posted by mediareport at 9:40 PM on March 8, 2006


Yeah, so we multiply by $5 and yell and scream about it!
posted by Mid at 7:18 AM on March 9, 2006


can
posted by Mid at 7:40 AM on March 9, 2006


Check out Diversity Rainbow!

Can you believe it? This guy also has the same name as a Nuvvo employee.

What a coincidence!
posted by akrishnan at 7:49 AM on March 9, 2006


Er, sure. But "this guy" isn't the guy who abused MeFi. Why would you wish to bring him into it?
posted by five fresh fish at 9:11 AM on March 9, 2006


I take severe umbrage at your libelous charge; and further guarantee that your offense shall be repayed in full as consequence of the web-log missive I am so righteously penning even as we herein converse.

Whereas, so far as your mother is concerned, never have I encountered another woman of so questionable moral standing. Sirrah.


Begging you pardon, fellow, but please don't feel the debt you owe me must be repaid; I long ago wrote it off for a tax deduction. I do urge you to leave off of penning missives, righteously or otherwise. Free-range missives are much happier. Especially if they have some umbrage to graze on - don't take it away from them!

I do appreciate your kind words regarding my mother, but perhaps you should expand your area of experience. I don't really understand the significance of the Italian fragment you close with, but I think it's spelled "sera".
posted by Kirth Gerson at 9:29 AM on March 9, 2006


Er, sure. But "this guy" isn't the guy who abused MeFi. Why would you wish to bring him into it?

I was just joshin'!

It seemed funny at the time.
posted by akrishnan at 9:56 AM on March 9, 2006


There's nothing sacred about user ID numbers here, so I don't really care if there are thousands of unused ones in the db.

The former flies completely in the face of reality (for better or worse), and, with regard to the latter, it's not really about you any more, Mr H. You may not care about the thousands of unused ids in the db (although I'm sure that paid advertisers would, and perhaps that's the nub here), but many of us would actually have a passing interest in finding out how wildly divergent from reality that total users number is.

Not that I'm saying you have to do someting about it, although I'm sure it would be easy to cull all the 0 comments 0 posts users, or run a query to flag 'em as ghosts or whatever. But "I don't care so why should you?" just isn't a good answer since you started taking paying customers.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 3:46 PM on March 9, 2006


It seemed funny at the time.

Really? Why?
posted by mediareport at 8:30 PM on March 9, 2006


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