NYC meetup photos March 2006 March 27, 2006 12:30 PM Subscribe
Here we are in NYC last night:
Hold still while I fire this laser out of my left eye....
posted by TeamBilly at 12:35 PM on March 27, 2006
posted by TeamBilly at 12:35 PM on March 27, 2006
For all the complaining you were doing, your pictures look FABULOUS, StickyCarpet!
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 12:39 PM on March 27, 2006 [1 favorite]
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 12:39 PM on March 27, 2006 [1 favorite]
I know the other thread is still there, but I'm starting a new one for a new day.
Now we have to label these people, email me for the flickr password if you can help.
The room was exactly wrong for my camera equipment, so I guess you win this round dashiv. I will see you a different day, in a different bar, with a different lense.
posted by StickyCarpet at 12:41 PM on March 27, 2006
Now we have to label these people, email me for the flickr password if you can help.
The room was exactly wrong for my camera equipment, so I guess you win this round dashiv. I will see you a different day, in a different bar, with a different lense.
posted by StickyCarpet at 12:41 PM on March 27, 2006
I did some labeling, StickyCarpet, in the comments.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 12:45 PM on March 27, 2006 [1 favorite]
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 12:45 PM on March 27, 2006 [1 favorite]
Someone obviously forgot to tell these two that THERE'S NO SEX IN THE CHAMPAGNE ROOM.
posted by loquacious at 12:50 PM on March 27, 2006
posted by loquacious at 12:50 PM on March 27, 2006
so I guess you win this round dashiv
I believe you mean scarabic aka DaShiv Jr.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 12:54 PM on March 27, 2006 [1 favorite]
I believe you mean scarabic aka DaShiv Jr.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 12:54 PM on March 27, 2006 [1 favorite]
what happened to my Bob Mitchum tribute?
Didn't get it. (One fist says M E T A, one fist says C H A T) You might catch a bit in some of the pictures.
You guy's do know that that ink is indelible don't you?
posted by StickyCarpet at 12:57 PM on March 27, 2006
Didn't get it. (One fist says M E T A, one fist says C H A T) You might catch a bit in some of the pictures.
You guy's do know that that ink is indelible don't you?
posted by StickyCarpet at 12:57 PM on March 27, 2006
I got mine off just fine.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 12:57 PM on March 27, 2006 [1 favorite]
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 12:57 PM on March 27, 2006 [1 favorite]
You won't catch them together because they're really the same person. Surprise!
posted by Gamblor at 1:06 PM on March 27, 2006
posted by Gamblor at 1:06 PM on March 27, 2006
You guys are way too cool. Especially because I got a shoutout! Thanks, NucleophilicAttack! :D
If I'd known in advance that Revival didn't card, I would've come. All I can say is next time.
posted by booksandlibretti at 1:11 PM on March 27, 2006
If I'd known in advance that Revival didn't card, I would've come. All I can say is next time.
posted by booksandlibretti at 1:11 PM on March 27, 2006
Just for the record, I tried to tell you....
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 1:13 PM on March 27, 2006 [1 favorite]
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 1:13 PM on March 27, 2006 [1 favorite]
I saw it, TPS, but by that time, I'd already made other plans for that night. And I couldn't cancel those, not even for you and mathowie and jonmc and basically everyone else who ever mefied.
posted by booksandlibretti at 1:35 PM on March 27, 2006
posted by booksandlibretti at 1:35 PM on March 27, 2006
WHAT! Traitor.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 1:42 PM on March 27, 2006 [1 favorite]
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 1:42 PM on March 27, 2006 [1 favorite]
I mean, mathowie abandoned his wife and baby on the cold hard streets to fend for themselves so he could meet us....
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 1:46 PM on March 27, 2006 [1 favorite]
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 1:46 PM on March 27, 2006 [1 favorite]
I believe you mean scarabic aka DaShiv Jr.
"Version 2.0" is more accurate, loaded with newer firmware and featuring all-new chick-magnet goodness.
StickyCarpet, it looks like you were using the 100/2.8 macro @ ISO 400, which is tough -- too long and dark for indoors. Equipment-wise, I tend to shoot at 1600 (or even 3200) with a faster and shorter lens between 24mm and 85mm (the Sigma 30/1.4 is my current favorite meetup lens), and I think likewise for scarabic too (his D50 was at 1600 with a 50/1.8 lens I think). Given the lens that you had brought though, I wouldn't have done much differently myself: other than the flash-dragging that you tried, I can't think of any other rabbits to pull out of the hat under those circumstances, either.
I've found that with the 20D's ISO 1600 is just fine for web-size pictures, easily, so long as I compose using the entire frame to avoid cropping (which exaggerates noise) and dilligently overexpose by anywhere between 1/3 to even a full stop. The 20D's high ISO is pretty much unbeatable, but the camera has a tendency to underexpose indoors since it seems to meter a bit conservatively under tungsten lighting. A real built-in spot meter would've eliminated the silly guessing game with indoor metering; I haven't found the 20D's partial AE mode to be too consistent, either.
In any case, your photos came out and people are enjoying them, and that's what counts!
posted by DaShiv at 1:49 PM on March 27, 2006 [1 favorite]
"Version 2.0" is more accurate, loaded with newer firmware and featuring all-new chick-magnet goodness.
StickyCarpet, it looks like you were using the 100/2.8 macro @ ISO 400, which is tough -- too long and dark for indoors. Equipment-wise, I tend to shoot at 1600 (or even 3200) with a faster and shorter lens between 24mm and 85mm (the Sigma 30/1.4 is my current favorite meetup lens), and I think likewise for scarabic too (his D50 was at 1600 with a 50/1.8 lens I think). Given the lens that you had brought though, I wouldn't have done much differently myself: other than the flash-dragging that you tried, I can't think of any other rabbits to pull out of the hat under those circumstances, either.
I've found that with the 20D's ISO 1600 is just fine for web-size pictures, easily, so long as I compose using the entire frame to avoid cropping (which exaggerates noise) and dilligently overexpose by anywhere between 1/3 to even a full stop. The 20D's high ISO is pretty much unbeatable, but the camera has a tendency to underexpose indoors since it seems to meter a bit conservatively under tungsten lighting. A real built-in spot meter would've eliminated the silly guessing game with indoor metering; I haven't found the 20D's partial AE mode to be too consistent, either.
In any case, your photos came out and people are enjoying them, and that's what counts!
posted by DaShiv at 1:49 PM on March 27, 2006 [1 favorite]
Doesn't Matt look a bit frightened of his followers? "So why'dja delete my post, boss?"
posted by Devils Slide at 1:51 PM on March 27, 2006
posted by Devils Slide at 1:51 PM on March 27, 2006
StickyCarpet: You guy's do know that that ink is indelible don't you?
ThePinkSuperhero: I got mine off just fine.
You're so fickle.
posted by StickyCarpet at 1:51 PM on March 27, 2006
ThePinkSuperhero: I got mine off just fine.
You're so fickle.
posted by StickyCarpet at 1:51 PM on March 27, 2006
Doesn't Matt look a bit frightened of his followers?
I would have been terrified, personally. It made me think of the sorcerer's apprentice.
posted by CunningLinguist at 6:07 PM on March 27, 2006
I would have been terrified, personally. It made me think of the sorcerer's apprentice.
posted by CunningLinguist at 6:07 PM on March 27, 2006
I'm sad I missed this but happy that I was flying back from Cancun instead. So I guess it's a wash.
posted by smackfu at 6:48 PM on March 27, 2006
posted by smackfu at 6:48 PM on March 27, 2006
Yeah, most of mine were with the Sigma 20mm f1.8. Sans flash. :) Listen to the Shiv.
posted by kcm at 6:57 PM on March 27, 2006
posted by kcm at 6:57 PM on March 27, 2006
wait wait, this was the day before I got that lens, and I was using the 30mm he was talking about. I'm a moron. either way, I love both lenses for a low-cost indoor lens.
posted by kcm at 7:09 PM on March 27, 2006
posted by kcm at 7:09 PM on March 27, 2006
Metafilter: I got mine off just fine
posted by mr_crash_davis at 7:17 PM on March 27, 2006
posted by mr_crash_davis at 7:17 PM on March 27, 2006
apparently meetups can bring about world peace.
fucking awesome. you guys all rock.
posted by shmegegge at 7:44 PM on March 27, 2006
fucking awesome. you guys all rock.
posted by shmegegge at 7:44 PM on March 27, 2006
and the man goes, “I did ring the door bell, didn’t I?”
posted by If I Had An Anus at 8:21 PM on March 27, 2006
posted by If I Had An Anus at 8:21 PM on March 27, 2006
hahaha, it sure is, nomad.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 8:54 PM on March 27, 2006 [1 favorite]
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 8:54 PM on March 27, 2006 [1 favorite]
apparently meetups can bring about world peace.
Holy cow, orc and elf can live in peace and harmony! Either PP is a giant among men, or scarabic is a wee fella, or some combination of the two.
Nonetheless, heartwarming and stuff. Easy to forget we're all just folks behind the goofy screennames.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 9:11 PM on March 27, 2006
Holy cow, orc and elf can live in peace and harmony! Either PP is a giant among men, or scarabic is a wee fella, or some combination of the two.
Nonetheless, heartwarming and stuff. Easy to forget we're all just folks behind the goofy screennames.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 9:11 PM on March 27, 2006
stav, like I said, at one point a bunch of us were sharing a joint on the back patio ofthe bar and i blew a big pull in Paris' face and said 'be careful, that stuff leads to communism.'
he was on his cell and merely chuckled and said 'someone just blew pot in my face.' But taking it with that kida humor shows me that he's OK on somelevel at least. Just kick back and dig eachother. he's who he feels he's gotta be. we're who we feel we gotta be. that's the way of the world. you can either embrace it and go through life making a dent or ignore it and go through life miserable. that's all I've ever argued.
Also, I'm reaaaaly drunk.
posted by jonmc at 9:23 PM on March 27, 2006
he was on his cell and merely chuckled and said 'someone just blew pot in my face.' But taking it with that kida humor shows me that he's OK on somelevel at least. Just kick back and dig eachother. he's who he feels he's gotta be. we're who we feel we gotta be. that's the way of the world. you can either embrace it and go through life making a dent or ignore it and go through life miserable. that's all I've ever argued.
Also, I'm reaaaaly drunk.
posted by jonmc at 9:23 PM on March 27, 2006
and when I say that, I'm expressly not asking you to embrace their politics, just asking you to take a step back and ask you to ask youreslf if you can figure out how they gaot to the point where they got that way. Cause when you do ask yourself that and figure it out, then maybe you can make the conection to get them to listen to you. cause ain't none of us morally pure beings, myself included i'm learning the hard way. And once you realize that, you can sweep aside quick judgements and maybe get a dialogue going.
As Abbie Hoffman put it:
Ask someone what they want. If they say 'I want to beat the shit out of kids like you,' build them a boxing ring.
posted by jonmc at 9:35 PM on March 27, 2006
As Abbie Hoffman put it:
Ask someone what they want. If they say 'I want to beat the shit out of kids like you,' build them a boxing ring.
posted by jonmc at 9:35 PM on March 27, 2006
Speak for yourself, chickenman. I'm a god.
Of course, CC. That goes without saying.
Also, I'm reaaaaly drunk.
I could tell -- your shift key tends to go byebye, and you get your love on (and there's nothing wrong with that).
I'm really really envious -- pretty please could you folks start passing around a 'bring wonderchicken to NY' jar at these things? Maybe every time someone says 'fuck' or slips and calls somebody a dumbass, they could pop in a penance dime or something... (but don't tell amberglow -- I don't think he likes me much).
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 9:37 PM on March 27, 2006
Of course, CC. That goes without saying.
Also, I'm reaaaaly drunk.
I could tell -- your shift key tends to go byebye, and you get your love on (and there's nothing wrong with that).
I'm really really envious -- pretty please could you folks start passing around a 'bring wonderchicken to NY' jar at these things? Maybe every time someone says 'fuck' or slips and calls somebody a dumbass, they could pop in a penance dime or something... (but don't tell amberglow -- I don't think he likes me much).
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 9:37 PM on March 27, 2006
I'm really really envious -- pretty please could you folks start passing around a 'bring wonderchicken to NY' jar at these things?
stav, my brother, my ace, back when me and pips were still together we actually put together a care package of American Bizarro junk food, but circumstances intervened, so you know that you're someone who I'd love to see here in the big apple, and a big part of that is that you seem to get what I'm getting at when I talk about bringing it all back home as far as getting the parises and matteos of the world to dialog with eachother, and that's why I dig you man.
/passes out
posted by jonmc at 9:43 PM on March 27, 2006
stav, my brother, my ace, back when me and pips were still together we actually put together a care package of American Bizarro junk food, but circumstances intervened, so you know that you're someone who I'd love to see here in the big apple, and a big part of that is that you seem to get what I'm getting at when I talk about bringing it all back home as far as getting the parises and matteos of the world to dialog with eachother, and that's why I dig you man.
/passes out
posted by jonmc at 9:43 PM on March 27, 2006
All the more reason for you to meet him. Better yet, maybe we just ship Amberglow to you.
posted by crunchland at 9:44 PM on March 27, 2006
posted by crunchland at 9:44 PM on March 27, 2006
and there's maybe 20-30 MeFites who I feel like I'm talking to directly when I'm talking and a few of them don't wanna know me anymore, but you're still one of the former category, brotha stav. You were there when I was sooo lost man. I don't forget.
posted by jonmc at 9:45 PM on March 27, 2006
posted by jonmc at 9:45 PM on March 27, 2006
Hey, I thought you passed out!
Take care, my friend. And don't post any more 'til you're hungover.
Better yet, maybe we just ship Amberglow to you.
*stamps his feet*
I wanna go to New York! I wanna go to New York! (although I'm probably on some Fatherland Security Lists or something, and they wouldn't let me in, anyway. Heh.)
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 10:04 PM on March 27, 2006
Take care, my friend. And don't post any more 'til you're hungover.
Better yet, maybe we just ship Amberglow to you.
*stamps his feet*
I wanna go to New York! I wanna go to New York! (although I'm probably on some Fatherland Security Lists or something, and they wouldn't let me in, anyway. Heh.)
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 10:04 PM on March 27, 2006
amberglow = Luc Besson casting session
posted by NinjaPirate at 2:51 AM on March 28, 2006
posted by NinjaPirate at 2:51 AM on March 28, 2006
Heya booksandlibretti -- yeah, missed ya! :-D It was a rip-roaring good time! Hope you can make it to the next meetup...
posted by NucleophilicAttack at 4:09 AM on March 28, 2006
posted by NucleophilicAttack at 4:09 AM on March 28, 2006
that kida humor shows me that he's OK on somelevel at least.
Can you feel the love?
posted by justgary at 6:30 AM on March 28, 2006
Can you feel the love?
posted by justgary at 6:30 AM on March 28, 2006
Given that I shot about 67 shots and put about 22 of them up, I'd say I was pretty lucky. What I should have done is shoot a LOT more - multiple frames per squeeze, too, DaShiv-style. My shutter speeds were sometimes south of 1/50 (as is obvious from the afroblanco shot) and in that territory you just don't know when you're going to get lucky. One shot, someone's head moves and you get a blur, the next milisecond, they're still and you get a passable shot you can massage.
My 50mm/1.8 has served me pretty well but I think I'll pick up a 1.4 one of these days. I wouldn't shoot at 1.2 with a 50mm, though the razor-thin depth of field might be less of an issue at 70-90mm.
Paris seemed kind of sad and beaten down as soon as he walked in. He's not exactly repentant over anything he's said here but he is unhappy about the impression he's left in his wake. What he really wants is to convince you that his views are actually more mainstream than you care to admit. I don't know about that. But he, personally, probably isn't evil incarnate, either.
That shot of us together where I've got my hand on his shoulder was the third try. I first put my arm around him, he squirmed out of that, then I just put it behind his back, he squirmed out of that, then I put it on his shoulder right before the flash went off and he had to live with it :)
posted by scarabic at 7:04 AM on March 28, 2006
My 50mm/1.8 has served me pretty well but I think I'll pick up a 1.4 one of these days. I wouldn't shoot at 1.2 with a 50mm, though the razor-thin depth of field might be less of an issue at 70-90mm.
Paris seemed kind of sad and beaten down as soon as he walked in. He's not exactly repentant over anything he's said here but he is unhappy about the impression he's left in his wake. What he really wants is to convince you that his views are actually more mainstream than you care to admit. I don't know about that. But he, personally, probably isn't evil incarnate, either.
That shot of us together where I've got my hand on his shoulder was the third try. I first put my arm around him, he squirmed out of that, then I just put it behind his back, he squirmed out of that, then I put it on his shoulder right before the flash went off and he had to live with it :)
posted by scarabic at 7:04 AM on March 28, 2006
i behaved myself, stav--you're safe.
dashiv, when are you coming? I still need a good photog, as evidenced by these pics : < br>
(alto the hat ones are ok)
posted by amberglow at 7:36 AM on March 28, 2006
dashiv, when are you coming? I still need a good photog, as evidenced by these pics : < br>
(alto the hat ones are ok)
posted by amberglow at 7:36 AM on March 28, 2006
jonmc: Just kick back and dig eachother. he's who he feels he's gotta be. we're who we feel we gotta be.
It's hard not to get along in person. I had a neighbor who sold his condo and moved out last year, and we'd always gotten along. He locked himself out of his house once and spent a couple hours at my place waiting for the locksmith, and we had some nosh and a very pleasant conversation. We took to dropping off food and fruit at each other's place and generally got along famously.
Well, after he moved I did a goggle search and found out he was an ultra conservative economics professor who'd done a damning "study" about left-leaning professors. He'd written papers calling Liberals "children" who didn't understand economics and spoken at a bunch of conservative symposiums at colleges throughout the country vilifying Liberals and Democrats etc., but he was a really nice guy in person.
posted by Devils Slide at 7:41 AM on March 28, 2006
It's hard not to get along in person. I had a neighbor who sold his condo and moved out last year, and we'd always gotten along. He locked himself out of his house once and spent a couple hours at my place waiting for the locksmith, and we had some nosh and a very pleasant conversation. We took to dropping off food and fruit at each other's place and generally got along famously.
Well, after he moved I did a goggle search and found out he was an ultra conservative economics professor who'd done a damning "study" about left-leaning professors. He'd written papers calling Liberals "children" who didn't understand economics and spoken at a bunch of conservative symposiums at colleges throughout the country vilifying Liberals and Democrats etc., but he was a really nice guy in person.
posted by Devils Slide at 7:41 AM on March 28, 2006
amberglow needs to be told he looks good, like a nice guy with a focused mind, c'mon everybody, because he really does.
Since the photo part is fun for everyone, some consideration should be given when selecting a place. Revival has some real obstacles to that: the layout of sitting around the perimeter of a small room with mirrored walls forces the photog into the center of the group and the flash shows up in the reflections.
As for equipment, I just picked up a 5,000 watt/sec strobe system from "free stuff" on Craigslist, maybe I should bring that. It does weigh over 900 lbs, though.
posted by StickyCarpet at 8:47 AM on March 28, 2006
Since the photo part is fun for everyone, some consideration should be given when selecting a place. Revival has some real obstacles to that: the layout of sitting around the perimeter of a small room with mirrored walls forces the photog into the center of the group and the flash shows up in the reflections.
As for equipment, I just picked up a 5,000 watt/sec strobe system from "free stuff" on Craigslist, maybe I should bring that. It does weigh over 900 lbs, though.
posted by StickyCarpet at 8:47 AM on March 28, 2006
Ok, next meetup- no pictures for you, StickyCarpet! Seriously, your pictures turned out lovely, but we hardly got to talk to you! Pictures are only secondary to meetup socializing and fun.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 9:15 AM on March 28, 2006 [1 favorite]
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 9:15 AM on March 28, 2006 [1 favorite]
i look good in real life, just not in pics ....
and what TPS said. : >
posted by amberglow at 9:19 AM on March 28, 2006
and what TPS said. : >
posted by amberglow at 9:19 AM on March 28, 2006
You look good in pictures, too, silly amberglow!
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 9:39 AM on March 28, 2006 [1 favorite]
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 9:39 AM on March 28, 2006 [1 favorite]
Besides, StickyCarpet, having really good pictures of myself out there in cyberspace is giving me a big head.... I feel like a West Coaster! ;-)
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 9:40 AM on March 28, 2006 [1 favorite]
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 9:40 AM on March 28, 2006 [1 favorite]
You ought to check it out, Pink! You'd fit right in. Great shots, y'all.
posted by squirrel at 9:57 AM on March 28, 2006
posted by squirrel at 9:57 AM on March 28, 2006
Pictures are only secondary to meetup socializing and fun.
If a gang of extroverted exhibitionists meetup in a forest and nobody sees it...
posted by StickyCarpet at 10:32 AM on March 28, 2006
If a gang of extroverted exhibitionists meetup in a forest and nobody sees it...
posted by StickyCarpet at 10:32 AM on March 28, 2006
For what it's worth, I spent some time talking to ParisParamus. He seems like a regular enough guy. Then again, I've never had a big problem with him. It seems like two types of people do :
1) Those who get offended that there are people out there who disagree with them.
These people I seriously feel sorry for, and wonder how they get through their day-to-day lives. I spent about half my life living in a "red state," and had many, many conversations with people whose beliefs I found absolutely reprehensible. I didn't agree with them. I may not have even accepted their beliefs as valid. However, at least I admitted to myself that there ARE indeed people out there who agree with them, and that there are (apparently) about as many of them as there are people who agree with me. Blind rage will not win the fight.
2) People who become upset that any given "thread about x" can become a "thread about ParisParamus and Dios disagreeing with nearly everybody about x"
These people I can sympathize with a bit more. However, this problem can only be solved in two ways -
A) We ban all outspoken conservatives for life
B) We, as a whole, learn to stop taking obvious troll bait.
Personally, I would much rather see us take option (B) instead of option (A).
Finally, before I get off my soapbox, I want to point something out - we had a open gathering of MeFites, including several outspoken liberals, and one ParisParamus. Was there any yelling? Any fistfights? Was there even any impassioned argument? No. From what I could tell, we all just pretty much drank beer, smoked weed, and had a grand old time. I guess it's a lot easier to get mad at someone when they're just words on a screen and not a face in front of you.
posted by Afroblanco at 10:46 AM on March 28, 2006
1) Those who get offended that there are people out there who disagree with them.
These people I seriously feel sorry for, and wonder how they get through their day-to-day lives. I spent about half my life living in a "red state," and had many, many conversations with people whose beliefs I found absolutely reprehensible. I didn't agree with them. I may not have even accepted their beliefs as valid. However, at least I admitted to myself that there ARE indeed people out there who agree with them, and that there are (apparently) about as many of them as there are people who agree with me. Blind rage will not win the fight.
2) People who become upset that any given "thread about x" can become a "thread about ParisParamus and Dios disagreeing with nearly everybody about x"
These people I can sympathize with a bit more. However, this problem can only be solved in two ways -
A) We ban all outspoken conservatives for life
B) We, as a whole, learn to stop taking obvious troll bait.
Personally, I would much rather see us take option (B) instead of option (A).
Finally, before I get off my soapbox, I want to point something out - we had a open gathering of MeFites, including several outspoken liberals, and one ParisParamus. Was there any yelling? Any fistfights? Was there even any impassioned argument? No. From what I could tell, we all just pretty much drank beer, smoked weed, and had a grand old time. I guess it's a lot easier to get mad at someone when they're just words on a screen and not a face in front of you.
posted by Afroblanco at 10:46 AM on March 28, 2006
I seriously regret having missed it; I'd love to have met both Matt and ParisParamus.
posted by languagehat at 10:53 AM on March 28, 2006
posted by languagehat at 10:53 AM on March 28, 2006
wish I'd been there, too. this looks like it was the meetup to end all meetups. or maybe begin more. But hey, my job interview went incredibly well today, so I might finally have the ability to attend the next nyc meetup.
posted by shmegegge at 11:24 AM on March 28, 2006
posted by shmegegge at 11:24 AM on March 28, 2006
) Those who get offended that there are people out there who disagree with them.
I won't deny that this kind of person exists. PP has spent some time recently trying to convince me I'm one of them.
However, it's possible for me to disagree with someone without being moved to disgust by their views. PP's "kill 'em all" comments have taken me past that point. I mean, what's your reaction to... say... white supremacists? Do you just maturely nod and note for the record that you and they share different views? Or do you think "get the fuck out of my face with that shit"?
I can live with people who have other views than mine. SOME of those people's views move me to real revulsion and even anger. And that's no liberal-groupthink-whiny-needaskin impulse. I think that disgust with hatred, ignorance, and genocidal impulses is a very noble faculty indeed.
posted by scarabic at 11:35 AM on March 28, 2006
I won't deny that this kind of person exists. PP has spent some time recently trying to convince me I'm one of them.
However, it's possible for me to disagree with someone without being moved to disgust by their views. PP's "kill 'em all" comments have taken me past that point. I mean, what's your reaction to... say... white supremacists? Do you just maturely nod and note for the record that you and they share different views? Or do you think "get the fuck out of my face with that shit"?
I can live with people who have other views than mine. SOME of those people's views move me to real revulsion and even anger. And that's no liberal-groupthink-whiny-needaskin impulse. I think that disgust with hatred, ignorance, and genocidal impulses is a very noble faculty indeed.
posted by scarabic at 11:35 AM on March 28, 2006
Do you just maturely nod and note for the record that you and they share different views? Or do you think "get the fuck out of my face with that shit"?
Neither one. In most cases, attempting to engage a white supremecist in conversation is a waste of breath.
However, I wouldn't say that comparing PP to a white supremecist is a fair comparison.
posted by Afroblanco at 1:13 PM on March 28, 2006
Neither one. In most cases, attempting to engage a white supremecist in conversation is a waste of breath.
However, I wouldn't say that comparing PP to a white supremecist is a fair comparison.
posted by Afroblanco at 1:13 PM on March 28, 2006
I mean, what's your reaction to... say... white supremacists? Do you just maturely nod and note for the record that you and they share different views?
"Live and let live." Isn't that the skinhead motto? Yes, I try to be rational and tolerant, but sometimes it's very hard to maintain that while dealing with someone who's irrational and intolerant. (referring to white supremacists, definitley not referring to PP)
And for the record, I was planning on attending the meetup and regret missing it, but the hangover I had on Sunday didn't begin to lift until the party was starting, and I was in no condition to socialize. No one to blame but myself, I realize, but I will be there with bells on for the next one. Bells, I say.
posted by Gamblor at 1:28 PM on March 28, 2006
"Live and let live." Isn't that the skinhead motto? Yes, I try to be rational and tolerant, but sometimes it's very hard to maintain that while dealing with someone who's irrational and intolerant. (referring to white supremacists, definitley not referring to PP)
And for the record, I was planning on attending the meetup and regret missing it, but the hangover I had on Sunday didn't begin to lift until the party was starting, and I was in no condition to socialize. No one to blame but myself, I realize, but I will be there with bells on for the next one. Bells, I say.
posted by Gamblor at 1:28 PM on March 28, 2006
Yeah, I knew that would be a troublesome way to put it. I just mean that it isn't mere disagreement that's troubling (sometimes). It is possible to be offended by the content of someone's views, not just their differing from one's own.
I guess in that case... silence? Nah. Not for me. But we can agree to disagree on that one :)
I will, however, drink beers with just about anyone, as long as they're civil.
posted by scarabic at 9:30 PM on March 28, 2006
I guess in that case... silence? Nah. Not for me. But we can agree to disagree on that one :)
I will, however, drink beers with just about anyone, as long as they're civil.
posted by scarabic at 9:30 PM on March 28, 2006
Then again, I've never had a big problem with him. It seems like two types of people do : ...
More than 2 types-- there are also some of us who really don't like being insulted continuously for long periods of time nor think it's at all called for. We would rather not spend time with any people like that.
posted by amberglow at 2:20 AM on March 29, 2006
More than 2 types-- there are also some of us who really don't like being insulted continuously for long periods of time nor think it's at all called for. We would rather not spend time with any people like that.
posted by amberglow at 2:20 AM on March 29, 2006
I will, however, drink beers with just about anyone, as long as they're civil.
Even longer if they're buying.
posted by jonmc at 6:54 AM on March 29, 2006
Even longer if they're buying.
posted by jonmc at 6:54 AM on March 29, 2006
Hey, look, even I have a problem with me at times. Also, I take horrid photos and am just under 6'3".
Meeting people in person reminds me that almost everyone chez Metafilter is so damn YOUNG! And politically immature!
posted by ParisParamus at 8:44 AM on March 29, 2006
Meeting people in person reminds me that almost everyone chez Metafilter is so damn YOUNG! And politically immature!
posted by ParisParamus at 8:44 AM on March 29, 2006
Can we please get back on topic here? My strobe light weighs 900 lbs!!!
posted by StickyCarpet at 9:12 AM on March 29, 2006
posted by StickyCarpet at 9:12 AM on March 29, 2006
And politically immature!
Nuh uhh! Nuh uhh! You started it, you started it!
That's it. I'm telling.
Maaaaaaaaaatt!
posted by Afroblanco at 9:52 AM on March 29, 2006
Nuh uhh! Nuh uhh! You started it, you started it!
That's it. I'm telling.
Maaaaaaaaaatt!
posted by Afroblanco at 9:52 AM on March 29, 2006
My strobe light weighs 900 lbs!!
I'm sorry, I must have missed it. You see, there's this elephant...
posted by Godbert at 11:31 AM on March 29, 2006
I'm sorry, I must have missed it. You see, there's this elephant...
posted by Godbert at 11:31 AM on March 29, 2006
Not the one I brought, the one I propose to bring next time. And it really does. It will light newspaper on fire from a meter away. From "free stuff" on Craigslist. One of the developers of this thing was killed by one. But that was only because he did something stupid. It didn't flash, so he grabbed the bulb to reseat it. Kind of like poking a broomstick up inside the rocket engine that failed to ignite.
posted by StickyCarpet at 12:18 PM on March 29, 2006
posted by StickyCarpet at 12:18 PM on March 29, 2006
Laser eye!!!!
Man, can't believe I missed this meetup! Next time, next time.
posted by lorrer at 4:59 PM on April 10, 2006
Man, can't believe I missed this meetup! Next time, next time.
posted by lorrer at 4:59 PM on April 10, 2006
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