jamjammo makes a very poor metafilter post September 7, 2006 1:25 AM   Subscribe

Sometimes a train wreck can be so cataclysmic that it becomes beautiful. This is truly the best of the web. I should have been ironic and not have HTML'd that link.
posted by symphonik to Bugs at 1:25 AM (72 comments total) 1 user marked this as a favorite

* prays for new song by cortex, possibly entitled The Wreck of the Edmund FitzJammo *
posted by scody at 1:38 AM on September 7, 2006


I asked in thread and I'll ask it here again. How is it someone can make only three posts to the Blue and still be allowed to post a new thread?

I thought the minimum was five? Was there a memo I missed?
posted by Effigy2000 at 1:40 AM on September 7, 2006


Deleted comments, maybe?
posted by sveskemus at 1:43 AM on September 7, 2006


Effigy2000, I wondered the same (voila, bugs)—I'm thinking if that restriction is not in place, it should be. Not necessarily just to prevent the newbods from entertaining us with threads like that, but without some kind of cap, spam can deploy awfully quick too.

Seconded on the cortex song.
posted by symphonik at 1:44 AM on September 7, 2006


This kind of thing is the silver lining to the cloud of insomnia.
posted by maryh at 1:50 AM on September 7, 2006 [1 favorite]


Also, just for the record, this post marks the point where the predominant tone of voice on metafilter - snarking - gets rated down from BB- (occasionally funny) to C (mostly tired, snark for the snark's sake).
posted by Herr Fahrstuhl at 1:53 AM on September 7, 2006


"Deleted comments, maybe?"
posted by sveskemus at 7:43 PM AEST on September 7

That's not good enough! I demand blood!

Actually, no, I just agree with symphonik. If this is the case then it should be fixed for all the reasons he stated above.
posted by Effigy2000 at 1:53 AM on September 7, 2006


Herr Fahrstuhl, is it possible, however, that your complaining about snarking is indeed snarking itself? Especially with the cross-post in two threads to make your point, and the authoritative "just for the record" bit, I'm inclined to believe so.

That immediately shoots the humor value back up to A+ (tootsie roll belly-laughed into boxer shorts) or at least B (enthusiastic but slightly undercaffienated).
posted by symphonik at 2:03 AM on September 7, 2006



posted by brownpau at 2:07 AM on September 7, 2006 [110 favorites]


symphonik, funny that you mention it, I was going to add a bit about "Oh, and yes, I am aware of the irony" etc., but figured that wouldn't be necessary.

Also, my point wasn't that snarks are bad in and of themselves, but that the tone of voice on this fine web site has become a little unfriendly in parts without even making up for that by an increase in laughs. I sometimes get the feeling that excessive snarking is Metafilter's equivalent of karma whoring over at Slashdot: Snark away at everything that's moving, in the hope that this makes you look sharp and witty. And Metafilter's culture currently seems to encourage that behaviour, which I find regrettable.

I'm for quality control as much as the next person, but isn't that what flagging posts and MeTa is for?
posted by Herr Fahrstuhl at 2:15 AM on September 7, 2006


Also, just for the record, this post marks the point where the predominant tone of voice on metafilter - snarking - gets rated down from BB- (occasionally funny) to C (mostly tired, snark for the snark's sake).

The snark is the essence, the precious bodily fluid. No snark, no MeFi.
posted by scheptech at 2:16 AM on September 7, 2006


Bah, time wasted hopefully searched the paragraph for a linked period to... something
And what happens to favorited items that are deleted?
posted by moonshine at 2:16 AM on September 7, 2006


Snark is not the essence! It is not what animates MeFi, it is what MeFi animates!
posted by TwelveTwo at 2:33 AM on September 7, 2006


Classic co-dependency.
posted by scheptech at 2:39 AM on September 7, 2006


I think snarking has become too dominant an element here recently too, but also think this is probably the wrong thread to be arguing against it in.
posted by Samuel Farrow at 2:46 AM on September 7, 2006


Herr Fahrstuhl, loosen your pants a little. That post has iconic written all over it. I haven't laughed so much at a cock up post since "administrator please hope me"...

...having said that, the responses generated look no more different than the tail end of the average meta thread nowadays, so you may have a point.
posted by davehat at 2:52 AM on September 7, 2006


Can someone please link me to MeFi the webcomic episode 4? I missed one.

And be take it easy with that Cortex thingamajigger, you'll wear it right out. And then it'll only go "GONK" when you play it.
posted by loquacious at 2:53 AM on September 7, 2006


Samuel Farrow: Why do you think so? Because the original poster deserved it? Or because there is already a MeTa thread about this? Or something else?
posted by Herr Fahrstuhl at 2:54 AM on September 7, 2006


Hmm, the post seems to be forming a black hole, that following New Zealand Ferrit thing isn't doing too well...
posted by scheptech at 2:56 AM on September 7, 2006


If this FPP doesn't warrant some snark - I venture there are very few that would.

The poster doesn't "deserve" the snark - the post does.
posted by Samuel Farrow at 2:59 AM on September 7, 2006


On preview - maybe scheptech we could plug the whole with a fat ugly troll.
posted by Samuel Farrow at 3:02 AM on September 7, 2006


Herr Fahrstuhl is right - everyone who posted before Clay201 was being a snarky arse without an excuse. Everyone who posted afterwards is in the clear (especially those posting balloon humping bunny pics which are always acceptable).
posted by patricio at 3:17 AM on September 7, 2006


I'm here to report that that particular thread so snarked about breaks the My Comments page.
posted by TwelveTwo at 3:24 AM on September 7, 2006


Fuck the Louvre. The best thing about being in Paris is you get to be online when Matt and Jessamyn are asleep and are hours away from cleaning up the mess.

These image collections are awesome.
posted by Nelson at 3:38 AM on September 7, 2006


Ah, Samuel Farrow, I just put two and two together (duh), you posted the New Zealand Ferrit thing. It's a good post, I like the 'any favours' link, yeah that kind of sneaky wise-acre we-grok-the-web no-one-is-smart-enough-to-bust-us-on-it marketing looks pretty bad all right. Unfortunately your post landed just after the person working as an employee for their employer with the misplaced AskMe stream-of-consciousness attention-draining trainwreck.
posted by scheptech at 3:48 AM on September 7, 2006


Timing is everything and I jumped to conclusions, sorry.
posted by Samuel Farrow at 4:36 AM on September 7, 2006



posted by Joeforking at 4:52 AM on September 7, 2006


Herr Fahrstuhl - whilst you may have a point about the general level of this mysterious yet prevalent substance "snark" in metafilter, posts which are clearly headed for deletion have always been earmarked as places to be as obnoxiously trollish as possible.

This allows both an offset of that nervous trollish tension (which we so often see released in more unfortunate ways on random MeTaing) which every user on the internet builds up, a legitimate way to occasionally trash the site we adore and an infrequent chance to act out the role of "complete arse" that we see so often on our kindred sites of SA and Fark and always secretly wish we too could get away with. (In much the same way that given the chance to wear fancy dress, many men will choose to go in drag. In general culture it's forbidden to look like a woman but just for tonight they'll get to wear that skirt.)

Anyway...
posted by hugsnkisses at 4:55 AM on September 7, 2006


I think snarking has become too dominant an element here recently too, but also think this is probably the wrong thread to be arguing against it in.

Well look, that thread is already gone, so what difference does it make? If you didn't like the snark, you could simply have avoided the thread.

Also, I don't really know how out of context animated pictures really count as "snark".
posted by delmoi at 4:56 AM on September 7, 2006


I'm here to report that that particular thread so snarked about breaks the My Comments page.

You reap what you sow, I guess, huh? Or did anyone actually make a legitimate comment in that thread? I'd check but it totally freezes my browser and I have work to do.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 4:59 AM on September 7, 2006


Or did anyone actually make a legitimate comment in that thread?

no... we were all too busy giving each other reacharounds.
posted by pruner at 5:00 AM on September 7, 2006


Well look, that thread is already gone

well, bog and all his angels are surely smiling upon me. got home, thought to check the latest on the sydney meetup, then *WTF*? caught it in the ten minute or so gap before it was pulled. i would certainly never trade away the pain in my sides from nearly throwing up out of laughter. we need more of this jamjammo kind to lighten our days. i nominate el jammo for a posthumourous $30 prize.
posted by UbuRoivas at 5:03 AM on September 7, 2006


Having outed myself as a Gordon Lightfoot fan, I'll volunteer some lyrics:

The Wreck of the Thread of jamjammo

The legend lives on from the MetaTalk crowd
Of the big thread they called 9-6-2-2
The thread it is said never will be outdid
While the tubes of the Intarweb flow through

With a load of bullshit, like a total fuckwit
Did the member jamjammo come posting
That newbie it seemed was so sure to get reemed
When the fine Filter flamers start toasting

He worked as a cashier for just over 3 years
And maintained him a healthy computer
He thought he did know where the dust-bunnies blow
And explained it to his supervisor

With Compacs eleven running 24/7
And him getting some maintenance tasking
With apps to be picked for his USB stick
To the fine MetaFilter went asking

He could not tell between the pages blue or green
And could not write an HTML link
So he took a wrong turn and was doomed to be burned
By the MeFi flash mob and its group think

The word from the earliest comments was clear
That this poor linkless post be deleted
But the minutes they crept as the moderators slept
So the commenters' cries went unheeded

The first image seen was a cute p.n.g.
Of a puppy impossibly wrinkly
Then a gif animated of a bunny who mated
With a popping ballon, that was kinky

While some simply said "flag and leave it for dead"
It had gone far too long to delete
The images flew from Travolta's rear view
To the "sack of sauce and can of meat"

And thusly inpired, all the flamers let fire
With the j-pegs and gifs as their ammo
And they all screwed the n00b and didn't even use lube
For the Wreck of the Thread of jamjammo...
posted by wendell at 5:08 AM on September 7, 2006 [8 favorites]


inpired s/b inspired...
posted by wendell at 5:11 AM on September 7, 2006


I think Wendell's raising the Cortex signal!
posted by TwoWordReview at 5:14 AM on September 7, 2006


I love the fact that the now defunct post had the first few comments deleted first...
posted by davehat at 5:18 AM on September 7, 2006


Or adding a few Watts to Scody's Cortex signal, ahem!
posted by TwoWordReview at 5:54 AM on September 7, 2006


what surprises me is that there's that many people around at that time of day or night or whatever it is, wherever it is

i slept through the whole thing
posted by pyramid termite at 6:16 AM on September 7, 2006


This post was deleted for the following reason: you are confused

Shouldn't that be "u r confused"?

Herr Fahrstuhl, you've been around since 2004 and this is the first time you've noticed what happens in doomed-to-deletion threads? Sheesh. I'm all for keeping it real in real threads, but if you can't enjoy the hijinks in threads like that... well, flag it and move on.
posted by languagehat at 6:21 AM on September 7, 2006


Oh, and cortex is a tremendous MeFi Resource—let's not kill the goose by calling on him to musicfy every damn thing that comes along. Poor lad's going to burn out.
posted by languagehat at 6:23 AM on September 7, 2006


I'M ONLY ONE MAN

plus I totally don't know that song
posted by cortex at 6:56 AM on September 7, 2006


pyramid termite writes "i slept through the whole thing"

Sleep? Isn't that some kind of totally inadequate substitution for caffeine?
posted by Mitheral at 7:21 AM on September 7, 2006


It's The Wreck Of the Edmund Fitzgerald, by Gordon Lightfoot, memorialized in Dave Barry's Book of Bad Songs. I didn't hate the song as much as Barry, but I wouldn't weep if cortex refrained from doing the parody of it. After all, it's only a matter of time until cortex jumps the snark - let's not rush it.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 8:17 AM on September 7, 2006


Come on, there's no way in hell cortex didn't know that song. He's just pulling your leg.

Not just metaphorically, either.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 9:12 AM on September 7, 2006


So cortex, you've never been at a bar at closing time?
posted by jonson at 9:29 AM on September 7, 2006


So cortex, you've never been at a bar at closing time?

And still been capable of processing audio, you mean?

The fact is that I'm terrible with titles. For all I know I probably do know the song, and would recognize it when someone played it, but I can safely say that I do not Know The Song. I couldn't tie the parody into the meter of any song I could recall of the top of my head. And I can't name any Gordon Lightfoot songs, even if I would recognize a half-dozen upon hearing them.
posted by cortex at 9:38 AM on September 7, 2006


Come on, Weird Al, you must know it...it's the only song, to my knowledge, that uses the word "Gitchigumi."
Maybe I'm just too Canadian, but doesn't everyone study this song in Grade 5?
posted by chococat at 11:28 AM on September 7, 2006


"weird al"... that's just cruel. And after all our friend cortex has done.
posted by jonson at 11:34 AM on September 7, 2006


Dave Barry's an idiot.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 11:42 AM on September 7, 2006


But a richer, funnier idiot than some other people we could name.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 11:52 AM on September 7, 2006


And if you're going to be a rich idiot, for gawdsakes be a funny rich idiot...

If the Wreck song doesn't get cortexed, I'm fine with that. I was losing interest while I was writing it (the original goes on for several more stanzas). But scody's original idea was so priceless and I always do what she says.

I don't think cortex should be offened by being called "weird al"... Al's almost as rich and funny an idiot as Dave Barry. But maybe a variation: "Meef Al" or "Weird Mil".
posted by wendell at 12:09 PM on September 7, 2006


Wait - cortex is a verb now? I knew I should have picked a shorter nic.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 12:18 PM on September 7, 2006


Yup. You Kirth Gersoned that one up.
posted by Astro Zombie at 12:26 PM on September 7, 2006



posted by Mayor Curley at 12:30 PM on September 7, 2006


I associate that Lightfoot song with Nugent's Cat Scratch Fever. For good reason.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 1:05 PM on September 7, 2006


I don't think cortex should be offened by being called "weird al"

I'm not. I'm only offended when I'm called Weird Al as a pejorative. Although I do have better hair than him. And do not even let me hear you use TMBG as a diss—their production may be consistently goofy, but it is also incredibly strong and consistently self-aware, and John and John have better emotional instincts in their writing than 95% of the artists that cool people take seriously. Strip away the cheery wackiness and there are all these sharp, heart-grabbing moments.
posted by cortex at 1:16 PM on September 7, 2006 [1 favorite]


No offence intended.
posted by chococat at 1:27 PM on September 7, 2006


Yeah, none presumed. :)
By the by, how's that Waltz coming?
posted by cortex at 1:37 PM on September 7, 2006


I love the whole concept of MetaFilter becoming too snarky. It's been a boyzone, cranky, self-referential, too snarky, and in danger of imminent self-destruction since member 100, or thereabout (Sorry, #100, just picked you at random).

Plus, They Might Be Giants are named after a really interesting movie.
posted by theora55 at 2:02 PM on September 7, 2006 [1 favorite]


I'm sure Jeremy dosen't care. Or does he? Let's read on...
posted by Effigy2000 at 2:28 PM on September 7, 2006


Since after member 100 it seems.

That is funnny.
posted by Samuel Farrow at 2:48 PM on September 7, 2006


I don't mean that the comments of the My Comments are what messes with the page. The length of the (now deleted) post is too long for the layout. Maybe truncation is in order?
posted by TwelveTwo at 4:28 PM on September 7, 2006


whilst you may have a point about the general level of this mysterious yet prevalent substance "snark" in metafilter, posts which are clearly headed for deletion have always been earmarked as places to be as obnoxiously trollish as possible.

This is patently untrue.

In the past (more than, say, year or two ago), a clear double or obviously bad post would sometimes draw the chucklehead brigade, and Matt several times made it clear that piling in and playing grabass in those threads annoyed him, and made the site and communnity look bad.

For the most part, people complied with his wishes.

Then, for some reason, he stopped complaining about it, people took that for a green light, and the crapfloods became de riguer.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 4:32 PM on September 7, 2006


from the decline and fall of the metafilter empire , part iv , by stavros j wonderchicken.
posted by sgt.serenity at 5:47 PM on September 7, 2006


mmm....

I can understand taking delight in a long train of animated GIFs. I've seen better, here. And I know where to find such stuff at any time. Maybe I'm just not in the mood to enjoy a flameout.
posted by scarabic at 6:35 PM on September 7, 2006


from the decline and fall of the metafilter empire , part iv , by stavros j wonderchicken.

Not complaining, me. Just tryin' to set the record straight.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 7:30 PM on September 7, 2006


why does it sound SO much like complaining?
posted by jonson at 10:20 PM on September 7, 2006


Because even though I claim I'm not complaining, I fucking am, of course.

Try and keep up, buddy, or you'll get a stingray barb in the chest.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 10:39 PM on September 7, 2006


Crikey!
posted by loquacious at 12:07 AM on September 8, 2006


obnoxiously trollish

posting silly animated gifs and snarking have nothing to do with trolling, nor does the word troll in this context have anything to do with ogrish creatures living under bridges. neither does behaving like an ogrish creature who lives under a bridge qualify as trolling. your misuse of the term indicates two possible scenarios - 1) you've never been fishing, or 2) you date the birth of the internet around 1992.
posted by quonsar at 8:37 AM on September 8, 2006


now, THAT'S a troll, dude.
posted by quonsar at 8:38 AM on September 8, 2006


I'm plaaaaying
posted by taosbat at 9:45 PM on September 8, 2006


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