First we take Manhattan September 6, 2007 5:26 PM Subscribe
Hello fellow MeFites. cortex called my music ass-bumping orwello-euro electropop (still one of my favorite reviews ever). You may have heard a bit of it on MeFiComp. And now (somewhat to my surprise) I will be performing it live this Saturday night at The Knitting Factory (NYC).
Awesome man, have a good show. Also, I was listening to Leonard Cohen when I opened this thread.
posted by ludwig_van at 5:44 PM on September 6, 2007
posted by ludwig_van at 5:44 PM on September 6, 2007
Break a leg!
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 5:44 PM on September 6, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 5:44 PM on September 6, 2007 [1 favorite]
You can do it once. After that, people start bitching.
posted by smackfu at 6:08 PM on September 6, 2007
posted by smackfu at 6:08 PM on September 6, 2007
Is it cool to post about one's own gigs on MeTa?
No. It's been poo-poo'd numerous times.
I suggested a subsection to Music a while ago for just this type of thing. Also poo-poo'd.
posted by dobbs at 6:08 PM on September 6, 2007
No. It's been poo-poo'd numerous times.
I suggested a subsection to Music a while ago for just this type of thing. Also poo-poo'd.
posted by dobbs at 6:08 PM on September 6, 2007
I think there may be a caveat to those doing this kind of self-linking: GUEST LIST AND DRINKS FOR MEFITES or bannination and hellfire for eternity.
See, now it's ok.
(I hope you have a great show!)
posted by snsranch at 6:14 PM on September 6, 2007
See, now it's ok.
(I hope you have a great show!)
posted by snsranch at 6:14 PM on September 6, 2007
Also, there has been some very understandably hostile responses to: "Let's have a meetup! At my show! That you need to pay for!"
posted by smackfu at 6:17 PM on September 6, 2007
posted by smackfu at 6:17 PM on September 6, 2007
At least a sidebar on MeTa, right?
I think it'd do well on the sidebar of Music, a la the meetups bit of the MeTa sidebar.
posted by carsonb at 6:34 PM on September 6, 2007 [3 favorites]
I think it'd do well on the sidebar of Music, a la the meetups bit of the MeTa sidebar.
posted by carsonb at 6:34 PM on September 6, 2007 [3 favorites]
I get the sense that projects is a place for things that you hope someone would click the [post this to mefi] button, but that's almost never appropriate for real-world events.
Rather than a music-gig specific thing I'd rather a general events section of projects (which has a combination of projects, music, and travel, in that it's very location specific, unless it's a tour).
That way all the photographers have somewhere to post gallery shows too.
posted by aubilenon at 6:35 PM on September 6, 2007
Rather than a music-gig specific thing I'd rather a general events section of projects (which has a combination of projects, music, and travel, in that it's very location specific, unless it's a tour).
That way all the photographers have somewhere to post gallery shows too.
posted by aubilenon at 6:35 PM on September 6, 2007
Do we need calendar.metafilter.com?
posted by YoBananaBoy at 6:37 PM on September 6, 2007
posted by YoBananaBoy at 6:37 PM on September 6, 2007
You can post about your gig but doing so is of dubious value. Although people came to hear me in London last year. That was cool. I've asked for a Live section in music before, but it only got a smattering support (and some people responded to that by saying just post it in MeTa).
posted by ludwig_van at 6:49 PM on September 6, 2007
posted by ludwig_van at 6:49 PM on September 6, 2007
Matt has opined about this before. He said something like "As long as the gig is in New York then it is fine." Something like that. I don't remember exactly.
posted by ND¢ at 7:04 PM on September 6, 2007
posted by ND¢ at 7:04 PM on September 6, 2007
Self-link.
posted by Poolio at 7:43 PM on September 6
n00b
posted by achmorrison at 7:08 PM on September 6, 2007
posted by Poolio at 7:43 PM on September 6
n00b
posted by achmorrison at 7:08 PM on September 6, 2007
Oh I think that it is very much in the dickmove category myself. In case anyone was wondering.
posted by ND¢ at 7:09 PM on September 6, 2007
posted by ND¢ at 7:09 PM on September 6, 2007
Why is it a dick move? Because if one person does it, everyone will start doing it and it will clog up MeTa? If that's true, then there's enough of a demand that such things ought to have a designated section. If that's not true, then the few people that have gigs to announce should just announce them here and other people should stop bitching.
posted by ludwig_van at 7:18 PM on September 6, 2007
posted by ludwig_van at 7:18 PM on September 6, 2007
I think that it is a dick move because MeTa is about community issues. It is a space for discussing things that affect a group of users on the site, be it the group who doesn't know what "." means or the group in Toronto that wants to meet for drinks at the Salted Moose on Thursday June 10th. However, when you make a post about your gig, you are taking a resource that is specifically designed to serve multiple people and you are using it solely for your own purposes. I don't think that it is a terrible thing to do. I do ten worse things everyday. But do I think that it is a bit dick? Yes I do.
posted by ND¢ at 7:28 PM on September 6, 2007
posted by ND¢ at 7:28 PM on September 6, 2007
I have a gig tomorrow at %:15 at the corner of 12th & Broadway. Actually, that's just my smoke break. But I'll probably be talking to myself and pacing, which is kind of entertaining.
posted by jonmc at 7:35 PM on September 6, 2007 [3 favorites]
posted by jonmc at 7:35 PM on September 6, 2007 [3 favorites]
Rather than a music-gig specific thing I'd rather a general events section of projects ... That way all the photographers have somewhere to post gallery shows too.
... and printmakers ...
Could this be 'events.metafilter.com'? All entries tagged with city, genre, etc. to make it easy to find what MeFites are up to ...
posted by woodblock100 at 7:44 PM on September 6, 2007 [3 favorites]
... and printmakers ...
Could this be 'events.metafilter.com'? All entries tagged with city, genre, etc. to make it easy to find what MeFites are up to ...
posted by woodblock100 at 7:44 PM on September 6, 2007 [3 favorites]
It's too bad your announcement brought out the lawyers, man. I hope you have a good show.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 7:47 PM on September 6, 2007
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 7:47 PM on September 6, 2007
Sorry, I ducked out for a while.
Thanks to all well-wishers.
Self-justification:
I was trying to figure out how kosher this post would be. Playing at the Knit is kind of a big deal for me. I thought about posting it to Projects, but I posted an event of some kind there long ago, and it seemed not to get a warm reception. Everything there is more... project-y... like link-y and web-y.
I started scrolling thru recent MeTa posts, and found this one. I felt like that was a valid enough precedent. Granted, I'm not proposing a meetup at my gig. But I actually felt like it would be disingenuous for me to do so.
I would love to see some MeFites at the Knit on Saturday, but I'm not going to pretend like I'm gonna have a lot of time to hang -- lots of other people I know will be there, and I'm one of the organizers of the show as well as participant.
I feel like something of this sort should be postable somewhere in the MeFiVerse. Shouldn't it? Sorry if anyone was annoyed that I put it here.
posted by Artifice_Eternity at 8:01 PM on September 6, 2007
Thanks to all well-wishers.
Self-justification:
I was trying to figure out how kosher this post would be. Playing at the Knit is kind of a big deal for me. I thought about posting it to Projects, but I posted an event of some kind there long ago, and it seemed not to get a warm reception. Everything there is more... project-y... like link-y and web-y.
I started scrolling thru recent MeTa posts, and found this one. I felt like that was a valid enough precedent. Granted, I'm not proposing a meetup at my gig. But I actually felt like it would be disingenuous for me to do so.
I would love to see some MeFites at the Knit on Saturday, but I'm not going to pretend like I'm gonna have a lot of time to hang -- lots of other people I know will be there, and I'm one of the organizers of the show as well as participant.
I feel like something of this sort should be postable somewhere in the MeFiVerse. Shouldn't it? Sorry if anyone was annoyed that I put it here.
posted by Artifice_Eternity at 8:01 PM on September 6, 2007
jonmc: Yes, I organized (and DJed at) the MeFiComp meetup in NYC (last December 3).
posted by Artifice_Eternity at 8:02 PM on September 6, 2007
posted by Artifice_Eternity at 8:02 PM on September 6, 2007
Maybe event postings should be officially designated as postable to Projects? Not all MeFites' events are music-related, so it wouldn't work to put all event postings on MeMu.
posted by Artifice_Eternity at 8:10 PM on September 6, 2007
posted by Artifice_Eternity at 8:10 PM on September 6, 2007
I was trying to figure out how kosher this post would be.
It's a shame that people don't figure 'when in doubt, don't.' But, as they say, it's easier to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission. In any case, good luck with your show.
posted by Dave Faris at 8:21 PM on September 6, 2007
It's a shame that people don't figure 'when in doubt, don't.' But, as they say, it's easier to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission. In any case, good luck with your show.
posted by Dave Faris at 8:21 PM on September 6, 2007
Also, there has been some very understandably hostile responses to: "Let's have a meetup! At my show! That you need to pay for!"
posted by smackfu at 6:17 PM PST on September 6
Yes, that is understandable. So, full disclosure: there is a cover charge at my show ($6, at the door or in advance).
P.S. Listen before you pay, at MurdochSpace.
posted by Artifice_Eternity at 8:25 PM on September 6, 2007
posted by smackfu at 6:17 PM PST on September 6
Yes, that is understandable. So, full disclosure: there is a cover charge at my show ($6, at the door or in advance).
P.S. Listen before you pay, at MurdochSpace.
posted by Artifice_Eternity at 8:25 PM on September 6, 2007
P.S. Listen before you pay, at MurdochSpace.
If you're as good at music as you are at self promotion it's going to be an awesome show.
posted by justgary at 8:33 PM on September 6, 2007
If you're as good at music as you are at self promotion it's going to be an awesome show.
posted by justgary at 8:33 PM on September 6, 2007
I think it's totally cool to post your gig on MeTa, but some people are assholes about it.
If this behavior is officially discouraged, I really wish they would give us a place in MeFi Music to list our gigs.
posted by Afroblanco at 8:44 PM on September 6, 2007
If this behavior is officially discouraged, I really wish they would give us a place in MeFi Music to list our gigs.
posted by Afroblanco at 8:44 PM on September 6, 2007
I guess this is the argument for more rules, because in a vaccuum, people just make up their own and then call you a dick for breaking them.
posted by smackfu at 8:46 PM on September 6, 2007
posted by smackfu at 8:46 PM on September 6, 2007
I think it's totally cool to post your gig on MeTa, but some people are assholes about it.
Considering the tiny fraction of people who are local to the gig should be enough reason alone to realize that Metafilter isn't the place for this sort of thing. The site has a worldwide audience, so 99.999% of the people reading about your gig couldn't care less about it. And since this is Metatalk, it's practically essential to snark and naysay rather than to let it pass.
posted by Dave Faris at 8:51 PM on September 6, 2007
Considering the tiny fraction of people who are local to the gig should be enough reason alone to realize that Metafilter isn't the place for this sort of thing. The site has a worldwide audience, so 99.999% of the people reading about your gig couldn't care less about it. And since this is Metatalk, it's practically essential to snark and naysay rather than to let it pass.
posted by Dave Faris at 8:51 PM on September 6, 2007
Considering the tiny fraction of people who are local to the gig should be enough reason alone to realize that Metafilter isn't the place for this sort of thing.
Users near Artifice_Eternity
posted by Artifice_Eternity at 8:56 PM on September 6, 2007
Users near Artifice_Eternity
posted by Artifice_Eternity at 8:56 PM on September 6, 2007
Given that there are 58,000+ registered users, that means for every 1 of those people who live within fifty miles of you, there are 111 who don't. That doesn't count the non-registered readers. I stand by the 99.999% figure.
posted by Dave Faris at 9:00 PM on September 6, 2007
posted by Dave Faris at 9:00 PM on September 6, 2007
Good luck with the gig but metafilter isn't a place for self-promotion no matter how you want to justify it.
posted by puke & cry at 9:01 PM on September 6, 2007
posted by puke & cry at 9:01 PM on September 6, 2007
I think it'd do well on the sidebar of Music, a la the meetups bit of the MeTa sidebar.
That siebar could get clogged up pretty fast... I'd rather see a button on the sidebar that you could click on to go to a designated MeFi Music live calendar page. That'd be cool.
Oh, and Artifice_Eternity, watch out for those sharks that run the Knitting Factory. And have a good gig.
And I'm getting "Unable to find that event" at your Knitting Factory link. So either you got the link wrong, or they're doing things just as well as they always have down at the ol' Knit.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 9:04 PM on September 6, 2007
That siebar could get clogged up pretty fast... I'd rather see a button on the sidebar that you could click on to go to a designated MeFi Music live calendar page. That'd be cool.
Oh, and Artifice_Eternity, watch out for those sharks that run the Knitting Factory. And have a good gig.
And I'm getting "Unable to find that event" at your Knitting Factory link. So either you got the link wrong, or they're doing things just as well as they always have down at the ol' Knit.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 9:04 PM on September 6, 2007
Mefi meetups are about Metafilter and the community. Not about the glorification of one person, no matter how awesome cortex thinks they are.
posted by Dave Faris at 9:06 PM on September 6, 2007
posted by Dave Faris at 9:06 PM on September 6, 2007
Artifice_Eternity: Not only are you not GUEST LISTING MeFites, but you have never even posted any music to MeFiMu.
It's my understanding that a MuFi side blog is coming up. Perfect for this kind of stuff.
I'm not discouraging posting gigs. If you're playing my town, I'm there.
However, I understand how folks feel. Why should you be able to post about your gig when others don't have one to post about?
posted by snsranch at 9:06 PM on September 6, 2007
It's my understanding that a MuFi side blog is coming up. Perfect for this kind of stuff.
I'm not discouraging posting gigs. If you're playing my town, I'm there.
However, I understand how folks feel. Why should you be able to post about your gig when others don't have one to post about?
posted by snsranch at 9:06 PM on September 6, 2007
Um, the show's in L.A., not in New York.
Should've previewed. I went to the NYC part of their site, since A_E's post indicates that it's the NYC one. You sure you know which coast you're on, there, A_E?
posted by flapjax at midnite at 9:06 PM on September 6, 2007
Should've previewed. I went to the NYC part of their site, since A_E's post indicates that it's the NYC one. You sure you know which coast you're on, there, A_E?
posted by flapjax at midnite at 9:06 PM on September 6, 2007
It's my understanding that a MuFi side blog is coming up
snsranch: I think your "understanding" is, at this point, more along the order of "wishful thinking"! After all, in the comment you linked to, cortex says: "I hope there's a sideblog thingy coming up, but we don't have any specific plans in motion right now..."
posted by flapjax at midnite at 9:11 PM on September 6, 2007
snsranch: I think your "understanding" is, at this point, more along the order of "wishful thinking"! After all, in the comment you linked to, cortex says: "I hope there's a sideblog thingy coming up, but we don't have any specific plans in motion right now..."
posted by flapjax at midnite at 9:11 PM on September 6, 2007
Wow, now that KF link is going somewhere else. I'm all confused, what's happening? I'm losing my mind! The Knitting Factory is fucking with me all over again! It's like a bad dream!
posted by flapjax at midnite at 9:14 PM on September 6, 2007
posted by flapjax at midnite at 9:14 PM on September 6, 2007
I think it's great you're doing a show in NYC. Not a lot of people can say that. And I'm glad something positive is taking up space in MetaTalk, rather than petty bitching and whining.
posted by smackfu at 9:19 PM on September 6, 2007
posted by smackfu at 9:19 PM on September 6, 2007
smackfu, actually, a perusal of the Village Voice ads for NYC clubs will show that, actually, a lot of people can say that!
Don't get me wrong, though, I'm happy for A_E and all the other musicians who play every night of the week in that city so nice they named it twice (and tripled the rent in a year).
posted by flapjax at midnite at 9:23 PM on September 6, 2007
Don't get me wrong, though, I'm happy for A_E and all the other musicians who play every night of the week in that city so nice they named it twice (and tripled the rent in a year).
posted by flapjax at midnite at 9:23 PM on September 6, 2007
rather than petty bitching and whining
Are we looking at the same thread?
posted by maxwelton at 9:27 PM on September 6, 2007
Are we looking at the same thread?
posted by maxwelton at 9:27 PM on September 6, 2007
It's cool world famous, I'll be at the LA Knitting Factory next month.
posted by ludwig_van at 9:30 PM on September 6, 2007
posted by ludwig_van at 9:30 PM on September 6, 2007
woodblock100 - Could this be 'events.metafilter.com'? All entries tagged with city, genre, etc. to make it easy to find what MeFites are up to ...
+1 for this suggestion.
posted by Poolio at 9:33 PM on September 6, 2007
+1 for this suggestion.
posted by Poolio at 9:33 PM on September 6, 2007
I think it would be better to get another mefite to post about your gig :)
If you can't get another mefite to care, then you probably shouldn't post it anyway.
posted by empath at 9:35 PM on September 6, 2007
If you can't get another mefite to care, then you probably shouldn't post it anyway.
posted by empath at 9:35 PM on September 6, 2007
Yes, it's in NYC.
As for the petty bitching and whining: that's what I get for posting to MeTa. :/
posted by Artifice_Eternity at 9:36 PM on September 6, 2007
As for the petty bitching and whining: that's what I get for posting to MeTa. :/
posted by Artifice_Eternity at 9:36 PM on September 6, 2007
Sounds like a good excuse for a meetup, I say.
You see A_E, this is how you have to do it. Post your gig in someone else's thread and thereby sidestep the bitching.
posted by ludwig_van at 9:39 PM on September 6, 2007
You see A_E, this is how you have to do it. Post your gig in someone else's thread and thereby sidestep the bitching.
posted by ludwig_van at 9:39 PM on September 6, 2007
Oh, quit acting like a victim. You're getting exactly what you deserve.
posted by Dave Faris at 9:40 PM on September 6, 2007
posted by Dave Faris at 9:40 PM on September 6, 2007
If you can't get another mefite to care...
We're MetaFilter. And we care.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 9:44 PM on September 6, 2007
We're MetaFilter. And we care.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 9:44 PM on September 6, 2007
Christ, what an asshole.
posted by ludwig_van at 9:46 PM on September 6, 2007
posted by ludwig_van at 9:46 PM on September 6, 2007
A meetup is a meetup, and despite what others may think, it's perfectly okay to organize a meetup around something other than drinking.
As a non-drinker, I actually appreciate such things.
posted by Afroblanco at 9:51 PM on September 6, 2007
As a non-drinker, I actually appreciate such things.
posted by Afroblanco at 9:51 PM on September 6, 2007
I, too, think it would be cool to have an area that lists the gigs of MeFites. MeGig, as it were. At least a sidebar on MeTa, right?
There's already a MySpace, and the band spam there is annoying enough. As nice as it would be to find a way to support members of the community in their live musical endeavors, I personally could do without MetaSpace.
posted by the_bone at 9:51 PM on September 6, 2007
There's already a MySpace, and the band spam there is annoying enough. As nice as it would be to find a way to support members of the community in their live musical endeavors, I personally could do without MetaSpace.
posted by the_bone at 9:51 PM on September 6, 2007
Weird that no mods have spoken up, so here's Matt from a thread about this in March:
I think the takeaway is we need to think about it a bit more and come up with a solution that strikes some happy middle ground between not being in everyone's face and not being a subsite no one visits, and the stuff on it has to be somewhere in the middle between super huge offline project announcement and thousands of teeny little microevent announcements.
I'm sure we'll come up with something but it'll probably take a few more months of thinking about it.
[closed because we don't need another nasty thread attacking people's motivations for promotion, and I think this has been as productive as it can be.]
cortex' comment sums up the uncertainty nicely, too:
The problem is not the mefite-gig-promotion aspect, though—a post like this now and then seems fine, and I'm big on intra-site gig awareness &c—it's that this sort of thing wouldn't scale well if everyone with a gig were to start posting it to MeTa. It'd be a mess, at that scale, though a post now and then (or, horrors, two in one night!) is completely tenable.
I'd love to see a Gigs section or subsection or what have you, events.metafilter.com or some such, but until it comes along we're pretty much stuck with careful navigation along the thin border between Don't Ever and Too Often.
I think it's good for folks to hesitate before using MeTa as an announcement site for gigs members have to pay to get into.
posted by mediareport at 10:35 PM on September 6, 2007
I think the takeaway is we need to think about it a bit more and come up with a solution that strikes some happy middle ground between not being in everyone's face and not being a subsite no one visits, and the stuff on it has to be somewhere in the middle between super huge offline project announcement and thousands of teeny little microevent announcements.
I'm sure we'll come up with something but it'll probably take a few more months of thinking about it.
[closed because we don't need another nasty thread attacking people's motivations for promotion, and I think this has been as productive as it can be.]
cortex' comment sums up the uncertainty nicely, too:
The problem is not the mefite-gig-promotion aspect, though—a post like this now and then seems fine, and I'm big on intra-site gig awareness &c—it's that this sort of thing wouldn't scale well if everyone with a gig were to start posting it to MeTa. It'd be a mess, at that scale, though a post now and then (or, horrors, two in one night!) is completely tenable.
I'd love to see a Gigs section or subsection or what have you, events.metafilter.com or some such, but until it comes along we're pretty much stuck with careful navigation along the thin border between Don't Ever and Too Often.
I think it's good for folks to hesitate before using MeTa as an announcement site for gigs members have to pay to get into.
posted by mediareport at 10:35 PM on September 6, 2007
Up-and-comer johnmc's one-man off-Broadway show "Smoke Break" is a masterpiece that will redefine how we understand urban anomie. Combining physical theatre - his aimless pacing recalls the the relentless, restless motion of the unforgiving metropolis - with a freeform monologue (warning, profanity) that demands we ask questions of ourselves just as the protagonist questions the very basis of the modern social compact. "Why is that arsehole boss always up in my shit?" Why indeed.
Part of his trilogy, alongside "Hoagie" and "On the Crapper," that takes us on a Orphean tour through the consume-and-be-consumed underbelly of the city to an ultimate distopian destination where, he seems to suggest, we are ultimately squeezed out and flushed away in noxious squalor. A must-see (nose-clip advised).
posted by Abiezer at 10:38 PM on September 6, 2007 [12 favorites]
Part of his trilogy, alongside "Hoagie" and "On the Crapper," that takes us on a Orphean tour through the consume-and-be-consumed underbelly of the city to an ultimate distopian destination where, he seems to suggest, we are ultimately squeezed out and flushed away in noxious squalor. A must-see (nose-clip advised).
posted by Abiezer at 10:38 PM on September 6, 2007 [12 favorites]
Could this be 'events.metafilter.com'?
It's something I'm for. I understand the friction that gig announcements cause on metatalk, despite having historically been for 'em in moderation, and a calendar of events would be a nice way to (a) provide some non-meetup mefite interaction possibilities in general and (b) slice through the particular sort of gordian knot this thread embodies.
I have left my compadres a voicemail for the podcast. Will they answer my question? I VIBRATE IN ANTICIPATION.
posted by cortex (staff) at 10:55 PM on September 6, 2007
It's something I'm for. I understand the friction that gig announcements cause on metatalk, despite having historically been for 'em in moderation, and a calendar of events would be a nice way to (a) provide some non-meetup mefite interaction possibilities in general and (b) slice through the particular sort of gordian knot this thread embodies.
I have left my compadres a voicemail for the podcast. Will they answer my question? I VIBRATE IN ANTICIPATION.
posted by cortex (staff) at 10:55 PM on September 6, 2007
This cortex, he vibrates in anticipation?
posted by flapjax at midnite at 11:08 PM on September 6, 2007
posted by flapjax at midnite at 11:08 PM on September 6, 2007
I recall The Pink Superhero being in a play and posting a thread about it, inviting others to see it and meet up afterward. As I recall, her first thread was let go but a second thread the day of the event, as a reminder, was shut down. Perhaps there's a bit of a leash but not too much? In other words, as long as it's not too often and it's done with the sort of panache that strikes the admins' fancy the right way, it will continue. Some bonehead who can't write will eventually screw it up for everyone by posting a bald gig announcement for their shitty band that the admins won't be able to bring themselves to let stand.
posted by scarabic at 11:51 PM on September 6, 2007
posted by scarabic at 11:51 PM on September 6, 2007
I see the argument about scale, but if there is simply sidebar on MeFi Music, I mean....not all that many people come there right now. This might be enough to get a little more traffic to that section, and at the least maybe foster some collaboration and support between MeFi Musicians in similar locations.
posted by lazaruslong at 11:57 PM on September 6, 2007
posted by lazaruslong at 11:57 PM on September 6, 2007
Have a great show! I agree there should be a place to announce stuff like this, but if Cortex really thought you were the bee's knees, then Cortex would be posting this on MeTa and there would be no knotted panties in this thread. Also, all these people are telling you this post is too self-promoty, and you respond by giving more details and telling people how to get there?
Bad form man. Hope your music is better than your online etiquette.
posted by Happydaz at 1:06 AM on September 7, 2007
Bad form man. Hope your music is better than your online etiquette.
posted by Happydaz at 1:06 AM on September 7, 2007
This is not what Metatalk is for. What if people put gig notices in their profiles, so that when users find something of yours on Music that they like and then click on your profile to find out more about you then they can find out about your upcoming gigs?
posted by Kwine at 7:03 AM on September 7, 2007
posted by Kwine at 7:03 AM on September 7, 2007
That sidebar could get clogged up pretty fast... I'd rather see a button on the sidebar that you could click on to go to a designated MeFi Music live calendar page. That'd be cool.
posted by flapjax at midnite
That is a great idea, I think that's the perfect format for this kind of stuff.
And good luck, Artifice_Eternity, but snsranch is right, post something to Music, there is never enough contributions there.
posted by micayetoca at 7:08 AM on September 7, 2007
posted by flapjax at midnite
That is a great idea, I think that's the perfect format for this kind of stuff.
And good luck, Artifice_Eternity, but snsranch is right, post something to Music, there is never enough contributions there.
posted by micayetoca at 7:08 AM on September 7, 2007
Maybe create a new group called "Metafilter Music" on upcoming.org... and then create a link to it in the sidebar. People can add their gigs if they want. Other people can ignore it.
posted by smackfu at 7:11 AM on September 7, 2007
posted by smackfu at 7:11 AM on September 7, 2007
cortex called me a hamhanded, catstrangling, doggerel-spewing alcoholic. Should I post my gig schedule?
posted by Wolfdog at 7:19 AM on September 7, 2007 [2 favorites]
posted by Wolfdog at 7:19 AM on September 7, 2007 [2 favorites]
See, I felt good for AE, but then I began to see the point of the nay-sayers. I have some blogs, and I would love to promote them through Mefi, naturally, but obviously posting about them would be self-linking spamming of the skankiest kind. It would just be too tacky. And blogs are free to click on. I'll bet AE is talented as hell, but he is posting about something that would cost Mefites' 6 bucks a pop to see, so that's like putting up an ad for his show. So really, when you think about it, that's what he ought to do. Pay Matt to put an ad for his show on the site. But we pay our five bucks to keep us from seeing ads and...oh, what a quandary.
I think putting his music up on the mefi music site is the first step, yes. Then, maybe, since music threads don't close, whenever he has a gig, he could post it as a comment under his latest musical contribution. Does that make sense? So people who like his music and want to hear more know where to go? Maybe that's what we should ask anyone with a gig to do.
posted by misha at 8:10 AM on September 7, 2007
I think putting his music up on the mefi music site is the first step, yes. Then, maybe, since music threads don't close, whenever he has a gig, he could post it as a comment under his latest musical contribution. Does that make sense? So people who like his music and want to hear more know where to go? Maybe that's what we should ask anyone with a gig to do.
posted by misha at 8:10 AM on September 7, 2007
If a thread to wish jessamyn a happy birthday is kosher (and it was), then this is cool too.
This gig is a big deal for a member of our community. Just as birthdays, and, sadly, even death notices are. I certainly would rather celebrate the success of one of our talented members than read another "so and so was mean in this thread post."
Mefi meetups are about Metafilter and the community.
Dave, have you ever even attended a meetup?
posted by terrapin at 8:26 AM on September 7, 2007
This gig is a big deal for a member of our community. Just as birthdays, and, sadly, even death notices are. I certainly would rather celebrate the success of one of our talented members than read another "so and so was mean in this thread post."
Mefi meetups are about Metafilter and the community.
Dave, have you ever even attended a meetup?
posted by terrapin at 8:26 AM on September 7, 2007
Are you suggesting that because I haven't been to one, I'm not capable of distinguishing or justifying the differences between a post about a meetup, and what amounts to an unpaid advertisement?
Look, everyone is happy that this guy got his gig. It's the fact that he is unrepentant and continued to promote himself even after several of us politely told him it was wrong.
And because there's no good place to post about your gigs on metafilter, it doesn't mean that it's ok to do it anyway. If a store you're shopping in doesn't have a public restroom, that doesn't mean you're free to take a squat in the aisles.
posted by Dave Faris at 8:54 AM on September 7, 2007
Look, everyone is happy that this guy got his gig. It's the fact that he is unrepentant and continued to promote himself even after several of us politely told him it was wrong.
And because there's no good place to post about your gigs on metafilter, it doesn't mean that it's ok to do it anyway. If a store you're shopping in doesn't have a public restroom, that doesn't mean you're free to take a squat in the aisles.
posted by Dave Faris at 8:54 AM on September 7, 2007
Then, maybe, since music threads don't close, whenever he has a gig, he could post it as a comment under his latest musical contribution. Does that make sense? So people who like his music and want to hear more know where to go? Maybe that's what we should ask anyone with a gig to do.
posted by misha
Misha, allow me to disagree with you. Not enough people are going to music, and even those who go there regularly seem to listen to the song one time, perhaps download it and sometimes even comment. Very, very few people check back on the threads, even if they liked the song or the musician a lot. The posts in music don't lead to the same kind of exchange as the posts in MetaTalk or in the blue, so I think posting the link in our latest musical contribution wouldn't be useful at all.
I think flapjax's idea of a sidebar button that links to a live calendar is the perfect format. Perhaps they could even do a list of users who have an upcoming gig, similar to the list of people/songs that have been featured in a podcast, if they wanted to highlight who is playing soon.
I'd like to add that i say all this as someone who doesn't have any Mefites around at all, and thus, someone who won't be ever posting a gig. Even if I wouldn't benefit from this at all, I think it would be a really cool thing to have.
posted by micayetoca at 9:48 AM on September 7, 2007
posted by misha
Misha, allow me to disagree with you. Not enough people are going to music, and even those who go there regularly seem to listen to the song one time, perhaps download it and sometimes even comment. Very, very few people check back on the threads, even if they liked the song or the musician a lot. The posts in music don't lead to the same kind of exchange as the posts in MetaTalk or in the blue, so I think posting the link in our latest musical contribution wouldn't be useful at all.
I think flapjax's idea of a sidebar button that links to a live calendar is the perfect format. Perhaps they could even do a list of users who have an upcoming gig, similar to the list of people/songs that have been featured in a podcast, if they wanted to highlight who is playing soon.
I'd like to add that i say all this as someone who doesn't have any Mefites around at all, and thus, someone who won't be ever posting a gig. Even if I wouldn't benefit from this at all, I think it would be a really cool thing to have.
posted by micayetoca at 9:48 AM on September 7, 2007
sounds a fair enough post to me - the mighty fall played the knitting factory, it's not exactly starbucks is it ?
props to you for getting a good gig, break a leg.
posted by sgt.serenity at 10:32 AM on September 7, 2007
props to you for getting a good gig, break a leg.
posted by sgt.serenity at 10:32 AM on September 7, 2007
eh, I have mixed feelings on this.
One of the fundamental tenets of the site that has kept it pure over the years is the strict rule of no self promotion. People are banned for self promotion.
Projects and Music have offered a nice way to be exposed to member doings and talents without compromising Metafilter proper.
Nothing personal to you, Artifice_Eternity, but I don't think these types of notices belong here. Because they don't scale - lots of members probably have events. Because they are self promotion. Because they do seem too much like a free ad.
Now that being said, I think it is nice to learn about your event, A_E, and I wouldn't mind hearing about other events, I just don't think it belongs here. But I would support an events calendar or feature of some kind. I don't think it belongs on Music tho because I don't think it should be limited to music - why shouldn't a member who has an art showing, a book signing, a dance performance or a theatrical production be able to post a notice too?
posted by madamjujujive at 3:10 PM on September 7, 2007
One of the fundamental tenets of the site that has kept it pure over the years is the strict rule of no self promotion. People are banned for self promotion.
Projects and Music have offered a nice way to be exposed to member doings and talents without compromising Metafilter proper.
Nothing personal to you, Artifice_Eternity, but I don't think these types of notices belong here. Because they don't scale - lots of members probably have events. Because they are self promotion. Because they do seem too much like a free ad.
Now that being said, I think it is nice to learn about your event, A_E, and I wouldn't mind hearing about other events, I just don't think it belongs here. But I would support an events calendar or feature of some kind. I don't think it belongs on Music tho because I don't think it should be limited to music - why shouldn't a member who has an art showing, a book signing, a dance performance or a theatrical production be able to post a notice too?
posted by madamjujujive at 3:10 PM on September 7, 2007
I'm going to Nth "Mefite Shows in MeMu sidebar". I was in "can't post to MeTa" mode when myself and another mefite played our only show ever, and stupidly posted it to askme. There's just no good place to post them.
posted by tehloki at 3:19 PM on September 7, 2007
posted by tehloki at 3:19 PM on September 7, 2007
madamjujujive, you sum it up very nicely, that was well said.
RE: "Mefite Shows in MeMu sidebar", as madam3j just mentioned, this isn't just a music issue, it pertains to anyone with a gig, performance, showing etc.
MeFi Meetups is probably a good model for this, and as it could be theater, art or whatever coolness, sidebar on the front page might be best.
posted by snsranch at 6:44 PM on September 7, 2007
RE: "Mefite Shows in MeMu sidebar", as madam3j just mentioned, this isn't just a music issue, it pertains to anyone with a gig, performance, showing etc.
MeFi Meetups is probably a good model for this, and as it could be theater, art or whatever coolness, sidebar on the front page might be best.
posted by snsranch at 6:44 PM on September 7, 2007
the mighty fall played the knitting factory, it's not exactly starbucks is it ?
No, but they wanna be, baby, they wanna be.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 6:54 PM on September 7, 2007
No, but they wanna be, baby, they wanna be.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 6:54 PM on September 7, 2007
Look, everyone is happy that this guy got his gig. It's the fact that he is unrepentant and continued to promote himself even after several of us politely told him it was wrong.
Dave Faris, several of you are not all of us. Just because you say someone is wrong, does not mean they must get on their knees and beg forgiveness. And especially after making a big deal about how only 1 in every 111 mefites are even close to the show, I don't see how several mefites and you are now the official dictators of what is right and wrong on this website.
posted by KingoftheWhales at 8:29 PM on September 7, 2007 [1 favorite]
Yeah, you know, you're right. After some thought about this thread, since this thread still stands when the moderators always delete everything beyond the pale, they've apparently given their tacit approval of it. And since they don't care, I'm not really sure why I bothered.
posted by Dave Faris at 10:06 PM on September 7, 2007
posted by Dave Faris at 10:06 PM on September 7, 2007
As suggested above, I've made a contribution to MeFi Music.
posted by Artifice_Eternity at 10:32 PM on September 7, 2007
posted by Artifice_Eternity at 10:32 PM on September 7, 2007
It's a shame that people don't figure 'when in doubt, don't.' But, as they say, it's easier to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission.
Considering the tiny fraction of people who are local to the gig should be enough reason alone to realize that Metafilter isn't the place for this sort of thing.
Mefi meetups are about Metafilter and the community. Not about the glorification of one person, no matter how awesome cortex thinks they are.
Oh, quit acting like a victim. You're getting exactly what you deserve.
Hmm. Once = "Gotta express my opinion!" OK. Twice = "Maybe they didn't hear me the first time!" Eh, probably they did, but what the hell. Over and over? Yer bein' an asshole.
It's the fact that he is unrepentant and continued to promote himself even after several of us politely told him it was wrong.
If "politely" = "assholishly."
I'm not really sure why I bothered.
Because you enjoyed it. Duh.
posted by languagehat at 8:36 AM on September 8, 2007
Considering the tiny fraction of people who are local to the gig should be enough reason alone to realize that Metafilter isn't the place for this sort of thing.
Mefi meetups are about Metafilter and the community. Not about the glorification of one person, no matter how awesome cortex thinks they are.
Oh, quit acting like a victim. You're getting exactly what you deserve.
Hmm. Once = "Gotta express my opinion!" OK. Twice = "Maybe they didn't hear me the first time!" Eh, probably they did, but what the hell. Over and over? Yer bein' an asshole.
It's the fact that he is unrepentant and continued to promote himself even after several of us politely told him it was wrong.
If "politely" = "assholishly."
I'm not really sure why I bothered.
Because you enjoyed it. Duh.
posted by languagehat at 8:36 AM on September 8, 2007
A_E, I swear that I checked your profile before stating that you hadn't contributed. (I was leg pulling anyway.) So, I stand corrected! Hooray!
posted by snsranch at 3:36 PM on September 8, 2007
posted by snsranch at 3:36 PM on September 8, 2007
Hey, wait a minute!!!! Nix my comments, but good show anyway.
posted by snsranch at 3:42 PM on September 8, 2007
posted by snsranch at 3:42 PM on September 8, 2007
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