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posted by filmgeek to Bugs at 1:12 PM (68 comments total)

Temporary issue. We're dealing with some de facto DoS bullshit from a webcrawler botnet startup, they were hammering the shit out of that heirarchy on someone's behalf apparently. Will be back when shit calms down.
posted by cortex (staff) at 1:13 PM on August 4, 2010 [2 favorites]


Yep, they're back on now. Hopefully this is resolved.
posted by pb (staff) at 1:15 PM on August 4, 2010


DoS bullshit ... hammering the shit ... shit calms down

Who needs a donut?
posted by yhbc at 1:17 PM on August 4, 2010 [1 favorite]


The tags tag makes me happy.
posted by Babblesort at 1:22 PM on August 4, 2010 [18 favorites]


Thanks pb/cortex. Close this puppy up then!
posted by filmgeek at 1:22 PM on August 4, 2010


Do I smell veterinary sitcom?
posted by ODiV at 1:30 PM on August 4, 2010 [2 favorites]


I'm racking my too-filled-with-pop-culture brain to see if there has ever actually been a veterinary sitcom.

Maybe there is one from the last decade or so; I've sort of lost track of such trivial details as "the occupation of sitcom characters" ever since there was the WB/UPN/The CW to keep track of, not to mention the many short-lived live-action sitcoms by Fox.

What I'm saying is, I bet if there was a sitcom on any of those networks set in a veterinary clinic, it would involve jokes about stuff that smelled.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 1:39 PM on August 4, 2010


John Slattery played a vet in a sitcom called Maggie. Ann Cusack was the title character, she was his assistant.
posted by Kattullus at 1:45 PM on August 4, 2010


There was a BBC series adapted from All Creatures Great and Small, though qualifying that as "sitcom" is a bit of a stretch.

The DoS thing is weird. The business plan responsible for fucking up the site this morning is something like this:

1. Startup (a place called 80legs) charges clients for targeted, aggressive custom crawling jobs.
2. 80legs pays another company, Plura Processing, to handle their crawling work.
3. Plura in turn pays developers for the right to embed code in applications, to run during spare cycles.
4. Users install those applications, agreeing in the process to a line in a ToS/EULA somewhere to become part of Plura's botnet.
5. Those users' computers spend part of their spare time going after the sites requested by 80legs' clients up at (1).

Because (and this is a paraphrase of the answer that their CEO tends to throw into web forums whenever someone starts discussing the fact that 80leg's 008 search bot just fucked their site up) of the distributed nature of this second-hand botnet, 80legs is apparently incapable of even calling off their own DoS attacks.

Which aren't, according to their FAQ, DoS attacks at all, because they are totally responsible about not letting that happen. That they manage to end up denying service to the targets of their clients is apparently Someone Else's Problem. A big enough of a problem that they have an entry in their FAQ helpfully discussing this fact.

And blocking by IP is unreasonable as well, since, as again their CEO likes to point out, they have effectively "infinite" IPs.

It's really something.
posted by cortex (staff) at 1:50 PM on August 4, 2010 [9 favorites]


I tried to formulate a joke around House MD and house pet. If I'd ever seen the show maybe I could've done it. For the sake of this comment just assume I tied it together somehow and it was sort of amusing.
posted by Babblesort at 1:52 PM on August 4, 2010 [3 favorites]


Tags Back Superstar!
posted by blue_beetle at 1:56 PM on August 4, 2010


cortex: "We're dealing with some de facto DoS bullshit from a webcrawler botnet startup"

What? Do we need to mobilize Nerd Force Five on somebody?

caution: Nerd Force Five may not exist.
posted by boo_radley at 1:58 PM on August 4, 2010


cortex: "(a place called 80legs) "

Oh, I see. That's what I get for sitting on a comment for ten minutes.

Hmm: "Sign up now, it's free! Crawl up to 100,000 pages per crawl completely free. No credit card or contract required."

I wonder if 80legs prevents you from crawling 80legs with 80legs.
posted by boo_radley at 2:01 PM on August 4, 2010 [2 favorites]


Nerd, as in we're a bunch of nerdy chicks.
Force, as in we're a force to be reckoned with.
Five, as in there's 1, 11, 10, 11, 100 of us.
posted by Babblesort at 2:02 PM on August 4, 2010 [6 favorites]


> I wonder if 80legs prevents you from crawling 80legs with 80legs.

Only one way to find out.
posted by ardgedee at 2:02 PM on August 4, 2010 [2 favorites]


uggh - bad editing sinks another joke

1, 10, 11, 100, 101
posted by Babblesort at 2:04 PM on August 4, 2010 [1 favorite]


Note though that "80legs pays Plura" may or may not be a strictly meaningful characterization here as there's at a glance at least some overlap between the two companies. Whether 80legs is more an organ of or a cousin of Plura isn't entirely clear to me, but it's closer than an otherwise dissociated client/customer relationship. Presumably Plura has other customers as well, however.

The old big noise about Plura specifically was their no-opt bundling of code into the Digsby IM client a while back—apparent Digsby moved to the point of offering an opt-out option at least during install after a great big pile of backlash over the whole issue.
posted by cortex (staff) at 2:08 PM on August 4, 2010


cortex: "according to their FAQ"
What benefit does my site get from allowing 80legs to crawl it?By allowing 80legs to crawl your site, you encourage developers that would otherwise use unregulated crawling tools to use a highly controlled and manable crawling service. In other words, if your site is crawled by 80legs, you can be sure that it's crawled at a rate that your servers can handle. In fact, you can contact us and let us know exactly at what rate you would like your site to be crawled.
Neither of those two things seem to be true. Tell them I hate them.
posted by boo_radley at 2:18 PM on August 4, 2010


Is this the same 80legs that had to go on the run after murdering that hobo?
posted by jtron at 2:54 PM on August 4, 2010


Hush, you.
posted by cortex (staff) at 2:55 PM on August 4, 2010


In fact, you can contact us and let us know exactly at what rate you would like your site to be crawled.

Hmm... how about 0 pages per hour, then? Although I have to admit, it doesn't actually say they will crawl the site at the rate you would like, only that it's possible to tell them what that is.
posted by FishBike at 3:12 PM on August 4, 2010


Tell them I hate them.

YOU tell them, I am still not talking to them.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 3:34 PM on August 4, 2010 [3 favorites]


uggh - bad editing sinks another joke

Also 5 geek points to anybody who noticed your binary counting was messed up.
posted by FishBike at 3:44 PM on August 4, 2010 [1 favorite]


I'm racking my too-filled-with-pop-culture brain to see if there has ever actually been a veterinary sitcom.

Does nobody remember the continuing stoooory of a quack who's gone to the dogs?
posted by Miss Otis' Egrets at 3:48 PM on August 4, 2010 [2 favorites]


I'd already moved on to imagining Uma counting out the binary with three fingers.
posted by cortex (staff) at 3:48 PM on August 4, 2010 [2 favorites]


Do I smell veterinary sitcom?
posted by ODiV


There was Beast, starring Alexander Armstrong & Doon McKichan, for the Brit comedy-nerds out there.
posted by dash_slot- at 4:56 PM on August 4, 2010


I'm racking my too-filled-with-pop-culture brain to see if there has ever actually been a veterinary sitcom.

Beast
posted by zarq at 4:57 PM on August 4, 2010


I just checked out the green's robots.txt. Why does Googlebot have Disallow: /106784/www.elyrics.net/? Same with /67514/E3/
and /67514/E5/ on the blue.
posted by grouse at 5:34 PM on August 4, 2010


Here's that askme; here's the thread on the blue.

The non-canonical stubs in those Disallows suggest to me that the bot followed some weird external link to those threads; that we have those entries at all suggests there was something specifically odd going on with the bots behavior, enough to tell it to fuck off. Maybe freakout over-indexing or something? Matt or pb would know better about the details.
posted by cortex (staff) at 5:46 PM on August 4, 2010


Babblesort: "I tried to formulate a joke around House MD and house pet. If I'd ever seen the show maybe I could've done it. For the sake of this comment just assume I tied it together somehow and it was sort of amusing"

House had a rat for a while, so no assuming allowed. Snap to it with the funny!
posted by deborah at 5:46 PM on August 4, 2010


I just checked out the green's robots.txt. Why does Googlebot have Disallow: /106784/www.elyrics.net/?

Looking at the source of that askme page, the second to last link in this comment is borked. Goes to: http://ask.metafilter.com/106784/www.elyrics.net/read/g/good-charlotte-lyrics/hey-dad-lyrics.html

Must've thrown something off. I'm not going to check the other pages, but I'd bet it's something similar.
posted by inigo2 at 6:14 PM on August 4, 2010


Ha! Good catch, I just fixed that stray link in the askme. I'm guessing (from an edit datestamp near the start of this year) that pb had already fixed this comment in the blue, which probably had badly formatted links for chapters 3 and 5.

Given that, I'd guess that some combination of the internal malformed links and some configurational issue with googlebot was leading to hyperactive looping on those two threads. Probably we can clean those exceptions out at this point.
posted by cortex (staff) at 6:24 PM on August 4, 2010


Babblesort: "I tried to formulate a joke around House MD and house pet. If I'd ever seen the show maybe I could've done it. "

In other words, the answer is not Canis lupus familiaris.
posted by Riki tiki at 6:30 PM on August 4, 2010 [4 favorites]


yeah, those odd robots.txt entries are meant to combat odd Googlebot freakouts that would cause it to request non-existent pages in a continuous loop. I haven't checked in with those lately, but yeah we can probably take those out if Googlebot is done looking for them.
posted by pb (staff) at 6:43 PM on August 4, 2010


Sally Struthers did a sit-com where she worked in a vet office. (she still played a character named Gloria because All in the Family was the only thing good she ever did, but I don't think this was a spin off) That was a long time ago, and considering all the things I've forgotten, it is sad that that I remember.
posted by Some1 at 6:45 PM on August 4, 2010


So you might say then that the green has suffered a pleural plural effusion...
posted by Rhomboid at 9:23 PM on August 4, 2010


What a creepy business model. And of course they're based in Texas. But what do you expect from a state whose unofficial motto is "don't read robots.txt"
posted by sanko at 9:29 PM on August 4, 2010 [1 favorite]


I presume that the currently busted blue tags are for the same reason?
posted by coriolisdave at 9:32 PM on August 4, 2010


yes, but that was a mistake. Thanks for the reminder. They should be working again.
posted by pb (staff) at 9:49 PM on August 4, 2010


Yup, all good. Cheers!
posted by coriolisdave at 9:54 PM on August 4, 2010


Some1 has forgotten more about Sally Struthers than any of us will ever know.
posted by Meatbomb at 11:57 PM on August 4, 2010


MCMikeNamara: "I'm racking my too-filled-with-pop-culture brain to see if there has ever actually been a veterinary sitcom. "

My old cat had a vet that I wanted to create a comic strip around, only because he had the rather unfortunate name of Dr. Gutter. Maybe he could have an assistant named Viv E. Sect.
posted by brundlefly at 12:06 AM on August 5, 2010


"I tried to formulate a joke around House MD and house pet. If I'd ever seen the show maybe I could've done it.

All this does is remind of the scene where Wilson's ex-wife named their dog Hector because Hector Does Go Rug is and anagram for Doctor Greg House. And then House blasts her with an even better anagram for Gregory House, "Huge Ego Sorry."....and then he cures the mysterious disease that a dog had. And then Cameron was super preachy. Foreman was super frowny and Chase was Australian. It was good times.
posted by edbles at 5:02 AM on August 5, 2010 [1 favorite]


We're dealing with some de facto DoS bullshit from a webcrawler botnet startup, they were hammering the shit out of that heirarchy...

I'm living in a cyberpunk novel.
posted by DU at 6:42 AM on August 5, 2010


I'm living in a cyberpunk novel.

Although what happens next in a cyberpunk novel is that someone hacks into the computers controlling a huge automated cargo dirigible, and gets it to fly over their HQ and drop refrigerators on it from a few thousand feet up. I forget which of Gibson's books that's from, but anyway, it seems kind of unlikely to happen in this case.
posted by FishBike at 6:52 AM on August 5, 2010


I thought this was the kind of cyberpunk novel where a semi-sentient AI decides that it might just be Santa Claus and wires five million dollars randomly to people's bank accounts, one of which is mine, thus setting off a long series of wacky events that ends with me being rich, happy, and in possession of a robot butler from the future.

*crosses fingers, hopes*
posted by quin at 7:26 AM on August 5, 2010 [1 favorite]


I want what quin wants, but I want a robot dog instead of a robot butler.
posted by edbles at 7:49 AM on August 5, 2010


The robot butler, wearing a Santa hat, is bound to kill you in the last scene.
posted by Babblesort at 7:50 AM on August 5, 2010


I feel for some1. I remember watching the Sally Struthers sitcom, which was called Gloria. It was a spin-off of All in the Family via the show where Archie owned a bar. Until I read the wikipedia article, I had no idea that Carroll O'Connor had such a beef with the show.
posted by flipper at 7:54 AM on August 5, 2010


Thanks so much. Though I remember Gloria when talking about TV trivia and shows with the most spin-offs and I know I remember watching it and it being set in a vet clinic, my brain had apparently lost that information yesterday. It's actually kind of comforting that maybe I'm making room for more valuable stuff the older I get. (Or I'm just losing total memory amount.)
posted by MCMikeNamara at 8:33 AM on August 5, 2010


MCMikeNamara: "it being set in a vet clinic"

Wasn't that the one where she was a smalltown sheriff?
posted by boo_radley at 9:37 AM on August 5, 2010


1, 10, 11, 100, 101


Curious ignorant person question: How do I say that out loud? If Im counting in binary, are the numbers One, Ten, Eleven, One Hundred, One Hundred One, and my clever friends are smart enough to know that when I get to One Hundred, there are this many things: * * * * ?? Or do we name them differently? (Not that I think anybody is sitting around counting in binary...unless some of you taught your toddlers to do that as some kind of geeky in-joke thing.)
posted by not that girl at 11:02 AM on August 5, 2010


Ann Cusack of the acting Cusacks starred in the short-lived series Maggie wherein a housewife gets a job in an animal clinic and begins to fall for the wry and handsome veterinarian, played by that white-haired guy on that Mad Men show you kids like so much.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 11:04 AM on August 5, 2010


As far as I know, "1, 10, 11, 100, 101" is pronounced "One, two, three, four, five". Or, if you want to make it clear that it's binary, you can say "One, One-Zero, One-One, One-Zero-Zero, One-Zero-One".

If you say "One, Ten, Eleven, One Hundred, One Hundred One", you're reading the numbers in base 10 instead of base 2. You can do that for humorous effect, of course.
posted by millions of peaches at 11:40 AM on August 5, 2010


How do I say that out loud? If Im counting in binary, are the numbers One, Ten, Eleven, One Hundred, One Hundred One, and my clever friends are smart enough to know that when I get to One Hundred, there are this many things: * * * * ??

Oh one, one zero, one zero zero was how we rolled in college, but unless you're hardcore into assembly and building architecture you're probably not saying them out loud. I'm pretty sure I never did, while earning a BS in CS, but it was at a liberal arts school not an Engineering school. I never picked up on the ability to immediately translate raw numbers, but maybe if you work with it enough you do.
posted by edbles at 11:41 AM on August 5, 2010


If you're actually counting in binary the only way to really say it correctly would be , "one, one oh, one one, one oh oh, one oh one."

Obviously that gets really tiresome and hard to follow which is why we have compilers that take higher level languages and boil them down into binary for the processor. All work in binary and no play makes Jack go crazy.

Assembler is a language used for low level close to the hardware programming. Assembler is much closer to binary than something like C or Java. Even then, it is customary to work with hexadecimal code instead of binary. Hex is a base 16 counting system which works nicely for representing binary because a block of 4 binary digits equals 1 hex digit.


Bin     Decimal  Hex
----------------------------
0000    0        0
0001    1        1
0010    2        2
0011    3        3
0100    4        4
0101    5        5
0110    6        6
0111    7        7
1000    8        8
1001    9        9
1010    10       A
1011    11       B
1100    12       C
1101    13       D
1110    14       E
1111    15       F

posted by Babblesort at 11:48 AM on August 5, 2010 [1 favorite]


There are 10 kinds of people in this world...
posted by owtytrof at 11:57 AM on August 5, 2010


I feel smarter, thanks, people.
posted by not that girl at 12:09 PM on August 5, 2010


There are 10 kinds of people in this world...

Those who like cilantro, and those who don't?
posted by millions of peaches at 12:10 PM on August 5, 2010


"There are 10 kinds of people in this world..."

those who understand ternary, those who don't understand ternary, and those who have never heard of the damn thing?
posted by Some1 at 12:16 PM on August 5, 2010 [2 favorites]


I have never had occasion to count out loud in binary, but for what it's worth I've counted binary on my hand on the rare occasions where I really needed to be able to go a bit higher than 10, didn't need to be super twitchy-quick about it, and didn't have any other way to keep a tally. One-handed binary will get you up to 31, and you can pretty easily double or quadruple that with other (potentially imaginary) registers in a pinch.
posted by cortex (staff) at 12:18 PM on August 5, 2010


No one actually likes cilantro. Some people may think they do, but they are mistaken.
posted by quin at 12:21 PM on August 5, 2010


No one actually likes cilantro. Some people may think they do, but they are mistaken.

Seriously, why do people ruin perfectly good food with that shit. Also mole. Mole tastes like burnt dirt.
posted by edbles at 12:25 PM on August 5, 2010


I've counted binary on my hand

I say BINARY-FOUR you when I get my nerd rage really on.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 12:26 PM on August 5, 2010 [4 favorites]


Well moles live in the dirt. What do you expect? Anywhere they are pretty much blind so hunting them is just not very sporting.
posted by Babblesort at 12:28 PM on August 5, 2010


owtytrof: "There are 10 kinds of people in this world.."

Those who understand decimal;
those who understand binary;
those who understand trinary;
those who understand quaternary;
those who understand duodecimal;
(etc)

That's the fun of not specifying base: 10 can mean any dang ol thing above one.

THEREFORE:

not that girl: "How do I say that out loud?"

zero bee one
zero bee one zero
zero bee one one

(etc)

~ OR ~ you are an old)
one bee
one zero bee
one one bee

(and so forth)

We Do Not Talk About Octal, Therefore Such Discussions Are Irrelevant.
posted by boo_radley at 12:57 PM on August 5, 2010


First rule of Octal club...
posted by Babblesort at 1:05 PM on August 5, 2010


"There are 10 kinds of people in this world.."

Those who read SF, cook Italian food, like cilantro and those who don't?
posted by francesca too at 5:22 PM on August 5, 2010


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