jonmc reaches peak thread comment volume December 29, 2005 10:00 AM Subscribe
You saw his name 45 times, yet can't spell it right?
posted by found missing at 10:03 AM on December 29, 2005 [2 favorites]
posted by found missing at 10:03 AM on December 29, 2005 [2 favorites]
This is pointless and overtly personal assholery. It isn't enough to take shots at him in that thread, you felt it was necessary to exhibit your disagreement by dragging him over here?
This site could do with less personality conflict, not more.
Here is hoping Matt deletes this thread.
posted by dios at 10:06 AM on December 29, 2005
This site could do with less personality conflict, not more.
Here is hoping Matt deletes this thread.
posted by dios at 10:06 AM on December 29, 2005
Well, while he's never been one to hold back, a lot of people were also addressing comments directly to jonmc. Seems to me he's within his rights to answer any and all of those comments, so 45 isn't really that inflated, or at least didn't happen in a vacuum.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 10:06 AM on December 29, 2005
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 10:06 AM on December 29, 2005
I would just like to congratulate johnmc on no less than 45 posts in a single thread.
as long as he doesnt make the black power salute while we're congratulating him.
posted by sgt.serenity at 10:09 AM on December 29, 2005
as long as he doesnt make the black power salute while we're congratulating him.
posted by sgt.serenity at 10:09 AM on December 29, 2005
Plus, I happen to like jonmc... so the more comments from him, the better.
posted by Witty at 10:09 AM on December 29, 2005
posted by Witty at 10:09 AM on December 29, 2005
I like him too, but 45 is a bit much, no? jonmc, back away from the keyboard once in a while.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 10:10 AM on December 29, 2005
posted by mathowie (staff) at 10:10 AM on December 29, 2005
Is (45) a record?
gramschmidt had 500 comments in 9622v2, not sure if that counts.
posted by If I Had An Anus at 10:14 AM on December 29, 2005
gramschmidt had 500 comments in 9622v2, not sure if that counts.
posted by If I Had An Anus at 10:14 AM on December 29, 2005
No, it's not a bit much. If people are responding to your comments directly asking you questions and so forth, you should be allowed to respond as much as is necessary. This callout... well, it's really none of furtive's business.
posted by Witty at 10:14 AM on December 29, 2005
posted by Witty at 10:14 AM on December 29, 2005
jonmc gets an admonition to step away from the keyboard, but the rampant assholery from the likes of solid-one-love gets ignored? WTF?
posted by monju_bosatsu at 10:15 AM on December 29, 2005
posted by monju_bosatsu at 10:15 AM on December 29, 2005
dios: No, I agreed with him in the thread.
posted by furtive at 10:09 AM PST on December 29
Then why point it out?
Did you call out the people who made a hundred or so comments in that 9622 MeTa thread?
Perhaps this was intended for some other purpose, but it sure seems to me that the intent is to call for castigation or ridicule of him for trying to participate in a thread.
That to me seems like personality conflict, and it sure seems like it should be deleted because it should not be fostered here.
Perhaps your motive is good-intentioned, but I don't see it.
posted by dios at 10:15 AM on December 29, 2005
posted by furtive at 10:09 AM PST on December 29
Then why point it out?
Did you call out the people who made a hundred or so comments in that 9622 MeTa thread?
Perhaps this was intended for some other purpose, but it sure seems to me that the intent is to call for castigation or ridicule of him for trying to participate in a thread.
That to me seems like personality conflict, and it sure seems like it should be deleted because it should not be fostered here.
Perhaps your motive is good-intentioned, but I don't see it.
posted by dios at 10:15 AM on December 29, 2005
paraphrase of dios' comments: but enough about jonmc--how do you like my new dress?
posted by amberglow at 10:17 AM on December 29, 2005
posted by amberglow at 10:17 AM on December 29, 2005
FWIW, I agree. That thread was a clusterfuck from the jump and I should've known better than to even get involved in it. I also get riled up when I think people are making attacks on my character, and I think some people know that and say stuff simply to rile me. It'll be a New Years Resolution of mine to work on that.
posted by jonmc at 10:17 AM on December 29, 2005
posted by jonmc at 10:17 AM on December 29, 2005
enough about jonmc--how do you like my new dress?
It makes him look trampy. and he needs to ease up on the make up, too. ;>
posted by jonmc at 10:18 AM on December 29, 2005
It makes him look trampy. and he needs to ease up on the make up, too. ;>
posted by jonmc at 10:18 AM on December 29, 2005
c'mon, you can't compare a regular thread with any cult thread that's more of a chat channel.
45 comments in a thread with 344 is still 13% of all comments. Seems a bit much.
jonmc gets an admonition to step away from the keyboard, but the rampant assholery from the likes of solid-one-love gets ignored? WTF?
Jesus can only be in so many places at once. Sometimes God lets bad things happen to good people. He's usually busy fixing jrun errors in the universe and misses things.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 10:26 AM on December 29, 2005
45 comments in a thread with 344 is still 13% of all comments. Seems a bit much.
jonmc gets an admonition to step away from the keyboard, but the rampant assholery from the likes of solid-one-love gets ignored? WTF?
Jesus can only be in so many places at once. Sometimes God lets bad things happen to good people. He's usually busy fixing jrun errors in the universe and misses things.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 10:26 AM on December 29, 2005
Witty: "This callout..."
This is a callout? Shit, I thought it was a real congratulations. Sigh.. time to bring my sarcasm detector back to the shop.
posted by Plutor at 10:27 AM on December 29, 2005
This is a callout? Shit, I thought it was a real congratulations. Sigh.. time to bring my sarcasm detector back to the shop.
posted by Plutor at 10:27 AM on December 29, 2005
the thread was a gem, this is promising too.
I loved that the usual white suspects were sooooooooooo quick to point out that racism, of course, doesn't exist (I bet they also have black/Jewish/insert-ethnic-or-religious-minority-here friends).
jon was a bit forceful in his defense of the usual jonmc pov, ie that the whole world takes itself a bit too seriously except jonmc, but it wasn't that bad. jon, for all his quirks, is a remarkably civil presence here. and is certainly not a troll, unlike others certified trolls or allegedly reformed trolls who are always so quick to derail threads with various accusations of assholery.
personally, I thought the O'Rourke piece was shit. and that this "funny" image
can find a perfect place in neonazi propaganda leaflets.
but then, unlike others MeFi members, I don't find the word "nigger" to be funny, either.
posted by matteo at 10:29 AM on December 29, 2005
I loved that the usual white suspects were sooooooooooo quick to point out that racism, of course, doesn't exist (I bet they also have black/Jewish/insert-ethnic-or-religious-minority-here friends).
jon was a bit forceful in his defense of the usual jonmc pov, ie that the whole world takes itself a bit too seriously except jonmc, but it wasn't that bad. jon, for all his quirks, is a remarkably civil presence here. and is certainly not a troll, unlike others certified trolls or allegedly reformed trolls who are always so quick to derail threads with various accusations of assholery.
personally, I thought the O'Rourke piece was shit. and that this "funny" image
can find a perfect place in neonazi propaganda leaflets.
but then, unlike others MeFi members, I don't find the word "nigger" to be funny, either.
posted by matteo at 10:29 AM on December 29, 2005
Good God, I couldn't even get through that thread. All of the white guilt and self-righteous outrage. Sometimes, I wish this place were a tad more diverse so we could get some honesty rather than jonmc taking on everyone elses pc mantras and then being chastized and labelled "the blue collar whatever" for doing so.
At least he thinks outside the box and is willing to see the failings of mankind.
posted by Lola_G at 10:29 AM on December 29, 2005
At least he thinks outside the box and is willing to see the failings of mankind.
posted by Lola_G at 10:29 AM on December 29, 2005
matteo, I'm digging you on this one, but I think that can of worms has been aired out enough for one day.
posted by jonmc at 10:30 AM on December 29, 2005
posted by jonmc at 10:30 AM on December 29, 2005
This is a callout?
The fact that nearly every non-bug/feature-related MeTa is perceived as a callout by some has long bothered me.
Jesus can only be in so many places at once.
*aghast*
Matt thinks he's John Lennon! ;)
posted by If I Had An Anus at 10:32 AM on December 29, 2005
The fact that nearly every non-bug/feature-related MeTa is perceived as a callout by some has long bothered me.
Jesus can only be in so many places at once.
*aghast*
Matt thinks he's John Lennon! ;)
posted by If I Had An Anus at 10:32 AM on December 29, 2005
Matt's the walrus.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 10:34 AM on December 29, 2005
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 10:34 AM on December 29, 2005
Lola G: I appreciate the backup but some of the criticism I've recieved and will recieve has it's points. As far as diversity goes, I always thought that one of the strenghts of the internet was that we had to judge someone on their ideas, since we didn't have the usual visual cues to tip our prejudices. I got a taste of this at a meetup when I got to meet a very erudite MeFite whom I had long admired. The MeFite in question turned out to a black guy and I found myself surprised by that. Unconcious prejudice rearing it's head. But no sense beating myself up about it, just file it away as a lesson learned. That's the kinda thing I was saying that everyone was guilty of. Not a dismissal of the topic.
Now let's all join hands and sing My Name Is Larry.
posted by jonmc at 10:36 AM on December 29, 2005
Now let's all join hands and sing My Name Is Larry.
posted by jonmc at 10:36 AM on December 29, 2005
If I could find some black people to pose with I would do so in a moment. It would make things much easier to prove I am no racist if I could just link to a picture of us all sitting down eating fried chicken and stuff.
/just kidding jon
posted by longbaugh at 10:48 AM on December 29, 2005
/just kidding jon
posted by longbaugh at 10:48 AM on December 29, 2005
I'm not necessarily backing you up, jonmc. More the fact that you question the party line...so to speak.
We can all sit back and be outraged by the thread. Who is going to assert that racism is good? We all know racism is bad -- well most of us do. What kills me is the self-righteous outrage.
Rather than sit back and examine what is being done and why -- we type in these boxes and express how great we are because we aren't the racist asshole who wrote the piece. And we aren't the absurd jonmc, patron of the working man, whose viewpoint is quickly written off as his party line...not given a slice of credibility.
You merely mentioned that all of us have racist tendencies and the shitstorm began. (God I hate that term but nothing else came to mind here).
I'm just saying that just holding your ideology of a pristine racist-free mankind to your chest isn't going to create that ideal. This is the reason "fill in the blank" and PJ O'Rourke are the laughing stock of every non-caucasian race and non-US nation. Still, we (the royal we) and our ilk assert our outrage and hold ourselves out as the great bastion of change.
But we never take that step back to truly examine what is happening in our cities, to our people -- in fact and in print. Until we do and we start questioning why PJ O'Rourke would write this (beyond he is a racist pig) and question where it comes from (rather than just "It's so obviously racist and evil") RACISM WILL THRIVE.
Just sayin' so and typing in boxes ain't going to change a thing.
AND I know I'm not perfect. But I challenge it with myself and where I can in my "world" every day.
posted by Lola_G at 10:51 AM on December 29, 2005
We can all sit back and be outraged by the thread. Who is going to assert that racism is good? We all know racism is bad -- well most of us do. What kills me is the self-righteous outrage.
Rather than sit back and examine what is being done and why -- we type in these boxes and express how great we are because we aren't the racist asshole who wrote the piece. And we aren't the absurd jonmc, patron of the working man, whose viewpoint is quickly written off as his party line...not given a slice of credibility.
You merely mentioned that all of us have racist tendencies and the shitstorm began. (God I hate that term but nothing else came to mind here).
I'm just saying that just holding your ideology of a pristine racist-free mankind to your chest isn't going to create that ideal. This is the reason "fill in the blank" and PJ O'Rourke are the laughing stock of every non-caucasian race and non-US nation. Still, we (the royal we) and our ilk assert our outrage and hold ourselves out as the great bastion of change.
But we never take that step back to truly examine what is happening in our cities, to our people -- in fact and in print. Until we do and we start questioning why PJ O'Rourke would write this (beyond he is a racist pig) and question where it comes from (rather than just "It's so obviously racist and evil") RACISM WILL THRIVE.
Just sayin' so and typing in boxes ain't going to change a thing.
AND I know I'm not perfect. But I challenge it with myself and where I can in my "world" every day.
posted by Lola_G at 10:51 AM on December 29, 2005
I'm just saying that just holding your ideology of a pristine racist-free mankind to your chest isn't going to create that ideal. This is the reason "fill in the blank" and PJ O'Rourke are the laughing stock of every non-caucasian race and non-US nation. Still, we (the royal we) and our ilk assert our outrage and hold ourselves out as the great bastion of change.
And here I meant one's ideology. Not jonmc's.
posted by Lola_G at 10:54 AM on December 29, 2005
And here I meant one's ideology. Not jonmc's.
posted by Lola_G at 10:54 AM on December 29, 2005
Ummm... Irony police, here. This is the thread about turning the racist satire thread into a thread about jonmc. Please use caution when turning the thread about jonmc into a thread about racist satire. Heads may esplode.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 11:04 AM on December 29, 2005
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 11:04 AM on December 29, 2005
Yeah. I suppose but this thread alerted me to that thread which I generally stay out of due to this sort of thing.
Also, as an alumnus of the very illustrious Miami University in scenic Oxford, Ohio I must inform Mr. PinkStainlessTail that the University is thusly named after the Miami Indians who originally hailed from the Miami Valley where the school is located. The school received its charter in 1812 before the city of Miami existed. You may stick that in whatever pipe you want and smoke it. (I also don't know if that ever surfaced cause I couldn't stomach that whole thread).
Yeah. I know. No one cares about that either.
posted by Lola_G at 11:09 AM on December 29, 2005
Also, as an alumnus of the very illustrious Miami University in scenic Oxford, Ohio I must inform Mr. PinkStainlessTail that the University is thusly named after the Miami Indians who originally hailed from the Miami Valley where the school is located. The school received its charter in 1812 before the city of Miami existed. You may stick that in whatever pipe you want and smoke it. (I also don't know if that ever surfaced cause I couldn't stomach that whole thread).
Yeah. I know. No one cares about that either.
posted by Lola_G at 11:09 AM on December 29, 2005
I'd just like to thank matteo for reminding of that thread upstream. Good times, my friend. Good times.
posted by haqspan at 11:12 AM on December 29, 2005
posted by haqspan at 11:12 AM on December 29, 2005
The message seems to be something along the lines of "we're all sinners" except not in a religious way: in a social-correctness way. Were you raised Catholic, jonmc?
posted by scarabic at 11:15 AM on December 29, 2005
posted by scarabic at 11:15 AM on December 29, 2005
Can we all agree that jonmc is allowed to make 45 comments in this thread?
posted by onlyconnect at 11:23 AM on December 29, 2005
posted by onlyconnect at 11:23 AM on December 29, 2005
Well I had a link today about obesity in the Gaza Strip and why it's happening, should I not post it?
posted by geoff. at 11:25 AM on December 29, 2005
posted by geoff. at 11:25 AM on December 29, 2005
geoff., only if they're riding in a really big SUV.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 11:30 AM on December 29, 2005
posted by mathowie (staff) at 11:30 AM on December 29, 2005
I agree with monju, and I think sarge is a genius.
posted by languagehat at 11:40 AM on December 29, 2005
posted by languagehat at 11:40 AM on December 29, 2005
as an alumnus of the very illustrious Miami University
Lola_G is aRedskinRedhawk alum!?
Damn, as if I needed another reason to worship her.
posted by If I Had An Anus at 11:41 AM on December 29, 2005
Lola_G is a
Damn, as if I needed another reason to worship her.
posted by If I Had An Anus at 11:41 AM on December 29, 2005
"geoff., only if they're riding in a really big SUV"
That would be a 'Sploding Ululation Vehicle.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 11:41 AM on December 29, 2005
That would be a 'Sploding Ululation Vehicle.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 11:41 AM on December 29, 2005
When building the High Score table, does the script sums jonmc comments in this thread to those in the original thread or are they considered separate events?
posted by nkyad at 11:42 AM on December 29, 2005
posted by nkyad at 11:42 AM on December 29, 2005
Yes and as a result of that great distinction -- I am a master of the beer bong.
Well, I haven't seen one in almost ten years but in those cornfields I shamed many a mere man with my beer chugging abilities.
But that was only partly Miami's doing...ice houses in the winters on Lake Minnetonka were prime for Sharps and Old Swil teenage drinking debauchery. (I might take jonmc on this thread...no work to do and teh internets are mighty boring this week).
posted by Lola_G at 11:51 AM on December 29, 2005
Well, I haven't seen one in almost ten years but in those cornfields I shamed many a mere man with my beer chugging abilities.
But that was only partly Miami's doing...ice houses in the winters on Lake Minnetonka were prime for Sharps and Old Swil teenage drinking debauchery. (I might take jonmc on this thread...no work to do and teh internets are mighty boring this week).
posted by Lola_G at 11:51 AM on December 29, 2005
Jeepers, Lola. I bring you out of print Wild Man Fischer and you say "boring."
I'm at a loss.
*sulks*
posted by jonmc at 11:55 AM on December 29, 2005
I'm at a loss.
*sulks*
posted by jonmc at 11:55 AM on December 29, 2005
Also, as an alumnus of the very illustrious Miami University in scenic Oxford, Ohio I must inform Mr. PinkStainlessTail that the University is thusly named after the Miami Indians who originally hailed from the Miami Valley where the school is located.
IT WAS A JOKE IT WAS A JOKE IT WAS A JOKE IT WAS A JOKE ARRRRRRRGH
Also, Oberlin should only admit students of mixed German/Irish descent.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 12:31 PM on December 29, 2005
IT WAS A JOKE IT WAS A JOKE IT WAS A JOKE IT WAS A JOKE ARRRRRRRGH
Also, Oberlin should only admit students of mixed German/Irish descent.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 12:31 PM on December 29, 2005
but the rampant assholery from the likes of solid-one-love gets ignored?
Rampant assholery. Riiiiight. Strikes me that you made a snipe against me, not the other way around, and I answered your snipe clearly and politely.
posted by solid-one-love at 12:35 PM on December 29, 2005
Rampant assholery. Riiiiight. Strikes me that you made a snipe against me, not the other way around, and I answered your snipe clearly and politely.
posted by solid-one-love at 12:35 PM on December 29, 2005
Can I get in on some of that sweet rampant action?
posted by If I Had An Anus at 12:37 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by If I Had An Anus at 12:37 PM on December 29, 2005
Keep well away from my anus, you.
posted by solid-one-love at 12:40 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by solid-one-love at 12:40 PM on December 29, 2005
Yes, we were cool chugging non-alcoholic beer.
I think I meant Strohs.
posted by Lola_G at 12:46 PM on December 29, 2005
I think I meant Strohs.
posted by Lola_G at 12:46 PM on December 29, 2005
PST -- I knew you were kidding but I just wanted to give that really interesting history lesson.
posted by Lola_G at 12:47 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by Lola_G at 12:47 PM on December 29, 2005
Oh. Nevermind then.
Dude, Strohs backwards is "shorts".
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 12:57 PM on December 29, 2005
Dude, Strohs backwards is "shorts".
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 12:57 PM on December 29, 2005
Rampant assholery. Riiiiight. Strikes me that you made a snipe against me, not the other way around, and I answered your snipe clearly and politely.
I wasn't making a snipe at all, simply pointing out that expert evidence contradicted your summarily stated opinion. You were the one throwing around "borderline retarded" and "anti-intelligent" like you thought they added something to the debate, on top of continuing to ignore the actual argument made by dios, IRFH, and myself. That's anything but clear and polite, at least in my book.
posted by monju_bosatsu at 1:10 PM on December 29, 2005
I wasn't making a snipe at all, simply pointing out that expert evidence contradicted your summarily stated opinion. You were the one throwing around "borderline retarded" and "anti-intelligent" like you thought they added something to the debate, on top of continuing to ignore the actual argument made by dios, IRFH, and myself. That's anything but clear and polite, at least in my book.
posted by monju_bosatsu at 1:10 PM on December 29, 2005
I have no idea what's going on here, or in the blue thread referenced at the top, but it was all worth it for the link to blackpeopleloveus. Thanks, joeforking.
posted by raedyn at 1:24 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by raedyn at 1:24 PM on December 29, 2005
Monju, you accused me of dismissing something out-of-hand; that is an ad hominem, and hence a snipe. I called an idea borderline retarded and anti-intelligent. This is not an ad hominem and not a snipe, or assholery.
That the evidence is expert evidence is not relevant. There's considerable "expert evidence" suporting, say, intelligent design, which can and should be summarily dismissed. Race is not merely a cultural construct, and I don't think that it can be rationally argued otherwise -- but this is not a MeTa discussion.
on top of continuing to ignore the actual argument made by dios, IRFH, and myself.
I, on the other hand, think that I addressed your argument more than adequately. Not that it matters; it wouldn't be 'assholery' to ignore a point made.
And, as always, I disagree with the notion that responding to a flame (such as Klang's or SweetJesus') with a flame is 'assholery' at all. Hence, my reponse to you in this thread: you call me out by name, while I think that I have behaved not merely appropriately but admirably, with one sole exception, that of my own opening snipe against jonmc in my first post to that thread -- a comment that I regret having made, especialy as I called out Rothko in the thread for doing the same to dios.
Nobody's perfect.
posted by solid-one-love at 1:33 PM on December 29, 2005
That the evidence is expert evidence is not relevant. There's considerable "expert evidence" suporting, say, intelligent design, which can and should be summarily dismissed. Race is not merely a cultural construct, and I don't think that it can be rationally argued otherwise -- but this is not a MeTa discussion.
on top of continuing to ignore the actual argument made by dios, IRFH, and myself.
I, on the other hand, think that I addressed your argument more than adequately. Not that it matters; it wouldn't be 'assholery' to ignore a point made.
And, as always, I disagree with the notion that responding to a flame (such as Klang's or SweetJesus') with a flame is 'assholery' at all. Hence, my reponse to you in this thread: you call me out by name, while I think that I have behaved not merely appropriately but admirably, with one sole exception, that of my own opening snipe against jonmc in my first post to that thread -- a comment that I regret having made, especialy as I called out Rothko in the thread for doing the same to dios.
Nobody's perfect.
posted by solid-one-love at 1:33 PM on December 29, 2005
I agree with jonmc - there is a lot of hypocracy when it comes to the "isms" - be it sexism, racism, ageism whatever. I've met so many "defenders" of minorities - white, middle-class do-gooders - who want to ban Christmas because they think it offends non-Christians, or hire exactly the right amount of black people in a work-force to represent their proportion of the population as a whole (as opposed to simply finding the best people whatever their colour). Basically, the people who are obsessed with gender or race tend to be the ones pointing the finger, not the ones being pointed at.
I think jonmc is simply saying that we are tribal, and relate to "our" group (be it our sex, or our race) before we relate to other groups. This is just a cultural thing. Look at how minorities live in western countries. Most hang with their own race. I don't think THAT is racist - it's just being tribal / a liking of familiarity. We're so hysterical about racism these days though - so I guess unless we hang out with every creed and colour, we're just "ignorant" and "fearful".
I think the human race needs to be cut some slack from liberal hysteria.
posted by FieldingGoodney at 1:44 PM on December 29, 2005
I think jonmc is simply saying that we are tribal, and relate to "our" group (be it our sex, or our race) before we relate to other groups. This is just a cultural thing. Look at how minorities live in western countries. Most hang with their own race. I don't think THAT is racist - it's just being tribal / a liking of familiarity. We're so hysterical about racism these days though - so I guess unless we hang out with every creed and colour, we're just "ignorant" and "fearful".
I think the human race needs to be cut some slack from liberal hysteria.
posted by FieldingGoodney at 1:44 PM on December 29, 2005
FieldingGoodney: no offense, but easy does it. Don't try to tack an entire agenda to my observations.
posted by jonmc at 1:48 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by jonmc at 1:48 PM on December 29, 2005
SOL, my suggestion that you dismissed the argument out-of-hand is not ad hominem in the least. It's a description of your response in that thread, and has nothing to do with you as a person. Moreover, you did not address the argument at all, much less adequately; you simply called it "borderline retarded." If you didn't want to discuss it, you should've just ignored it, instead of engaging in namecalling.
As for whether race is a cultural construct, I have no dog in that fight. I will, however, disagree that the expert opinion on the matter is equivalent to the so-called experts supporting intelligent design. I know plenty of biologists with real credentials and experience in the field who believe, based on the available evidence, that race is not a proper biological or genetic concept. I understand that there are contervailing opinions; my only argument is that there is a real debate about this subject, unlike intelligent design. Calling the argument "borderline retarded" is simply not accurate. If you have a good response to the ideas contained in the article to which IRFH and dios linked, I would like to hear them.
posted by monju_bosatsu at 1:52 PM on December 29, 2005
As for whether race is a cultural construct, I have no dog in that fight. I will, however, disagree that the expert opinion on the matter is equivalent to the so-called experts supporting intelligent design. I know plenty of biologists with real credentials and experience in the field who believe, based on the available evidence, that race is not a proper biological or genetic concept. I understand that there are contervailing opinions; my only argument is that there is a real debate about this subject, unlike intelligent design. Calling the argument "borderline retarded" is simply not accurate. If you have a good response to the ideas contained in the article to which IRFH and dios linked, I would like to hear them.
posted by monju_bosatsu at 1:52 PM on December 29, 2005
SOL, my suggestion that you dismissed the argument out-of-hand is not ad hominem in the least.
It most certainly is. Is it a comment on the argument or is a comment on the nature of the arguer? It is the latter, and hence an ad hominem, by definition.
Moreover, you did not address the argument at all, much less adequately; you simply called it "borderline retarded."
Which is, by definition, addressing the argument, and, I think, more than adequately so.
If you didn't want to discuss it, you should've just ignored it, instead of engaging in namecalling.
I did discuss it; I made it very clear that my opinion was that it was complete and utter bunk. I was not interested in discussing *why* I thought it was bunk. I'm still not.
If you have a good response to the ideas contained in the article to which IRFH and dios linked, I would like to hear them.
I have already provided a good response: the ideas are borderline retarded. That you don't consider this to be a good response is a given (nor that the ideas are equivalent to ID), but reasonable men can disagree.
In any case, I have engaged in no rampant assholery, in my opinion. That was why I responded to your callout. You could have, I think, picked a better example to call out, in particular because it should be obvious by now that I will always respond to such callouts.
posted by solid-one-love at 2:02 PM on December 29, 2005
It most certainly is. Is it a comment on the argument or is a comment on the nature of the arguer? It is the latter, and hence an ad hominem, by definition.
Moreover, you did not address the argument at all, much less adequately; you simply called it "borderline retarded."
Which is, by definition, addressing the argument, and, I think, more than adequately so.
If you didn't want to discuss it, you should've just ignored it, instead of engaging in namecalling.
I did discuss it; I made it very clear that my opinion was that it was complete and utter bunk. I was not interested in discussing *why* I thought it was bunk. I'm still not.
If you have a good response to the ideas contained in the article to which IRFH and dios linked, I would like to hear them.
I have already provided a good response: the ideas are borderline retarded. That you don't consider this to be a good response is a given (nor that the ideas are equivalent to ID), but reasonable men can disagree.
In any case, I have engaged in no rampant assholery, in my opinion. That was why I responded to your callout. You could have, I think, picked a better example to call out, in particular because it should be obvious by now that I will always respond to such callouts.
posted by solid-one-love at 2:02 PM on December 29, 2005
WTF is up with people here today? Sheesh. Take a cold shower. Take a drink. Take a break.
I'd say "back the fuck off from jon" but he seems to be handling this shitstorm quite well.
*draws cutlass, eyes mob with distaste*
posted by warbaby at 2:10 PM on December 29, 2005
I'd say "back the fuck off from jon" but he seems to be handling this shitstorm quite well.
*draws cutlass, eyes mob with distaste*
posted by warbaby at 2:10 PM on December 29, 2005
I think the human race needs to be cut some slack from liberal hysteria.
Boy were you born at the right time.
posted by scarabic at 2:14 PM on December 29, 2005
Boy were you born at the right time.
posted by scarabic at 2:14 PM on December 29, 2005
Please, please e-mail each other on this if you want to continue. This argument is like horses on a racetrack -- going nowhere. If you feel so strong about convincing someone on the Internet that a comment you made was not an asshole comment don't do it here. If Matt's benevolent enough he'll close this thread.
posted by geoff. at 2:18 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by geoff. at 2:18 PM on December 29, 2005
Well, geoff., I was just hoping that SOL would enlighten us with the reasons for his oh-so-firmly-held convictions and why they justify his repeated and unnecessary attacks on other members, but he obviously is not going to do so, so I'll leave off here.
posted by monju_bosatsu at 2:21 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by monju_bosatsu at 2:21 PM on December 29, 2005
monju, why would you engage a person who makes comments like this:
I did discuss it; I made it very clear that my opinion was that it was complete and utter bunk. I was not interested in discussing *why* I thought it was bunk. I'm still not.
He obviously engages in ad hominems, or potential trolling. He clearly doesn't want to engage in intelligent (worthwhile) conversation; he'd rather take petty swipes at easy targets. You can't win because it's a loser's game.
posted by SeizeTheDay at 2:31 PM on December 29, 2005
I did discuss it; I made it very clear that my opinion was that it was complete and utter bunk. I was not interested in discussing *why* I thought it was bunk. I'm still not.
He obviously engages in ad hominems, or potential trolling. He clearly doesn't want to engage in intelligent (worthwhile) conversation; he'd rather take petty swipes at easy targets. You can't win because it's a loser's game.
posted by SeizeTheDay at 2:31 PM on December 29, 2005
his repeated and unnecessary attacks on other members
None of my repeated attacks on other members were unnecessary; they were necessary and, in my opinion, welcomed by the moderators. I did, after all, flag Klang's and SJ's posts. Since they were not deleted, I must assume that it is therefore desirable to engage in such 'debate'.
And none of my attacks had anything to do with whether or not race is merely a social construct, because calling the idea borderline retarded (etc.) is not an attack on other members, as has been more than adequately explained in the simplest terms possible.
And, yes, you're right, I'm not going to talk about why the ideas in question are anti-intelligent, here or elsewhere. Giving time to that side of the debate verges on being morally wrong in exactly the same way that the ID crowd do not deserve to be heard.
Thanks for the numerous parting snipes in your latest post, by the way. I particularly enjoy watching hypocrisy in action.
posted by solid-one-love at 2:39 PM on December 29, 2005
None of my repeated attacks on other members were unnecessary; they were necessary and, in my opinion, welcomed by the moderators. I did, after all, flag Klang's and SJ's posts. Since they were not deleted, I must assume that it is therefore desirable to engage in such 'debate'.
And none of my attacks had anything to do with whether or not race is merely a social construct, because calling the idea borderline retarded (etc.) is not an attack on other members, as has been more than adequately explained in the simplest terms possible.
And, yes, you're right, I'm not going to talk about why the ideas in question are anti-intelligent, here or elsewhere. Giving time to that side of the debate verges on being morally wrong in exactly the same way that the ID crowd do not deserve to be heard.
Thanks for the numerous parting snipes in your latest post, by the way. I particularly enjoy watching hypocrisy in action.
posted by solid-one-love at 2:39 PM on December 29, 2005
He obviously engages in ad hominems, or potential trolling.
Simply because you don't agree with me doesn't mean that I'm trolling. I'm certainly not trying to provoke an emotional response. I invite you to show me where the ad hominem is, as well.
To paraphrase the man, that phrase does not mean what you (and he) think it means.
And here's the kicker: whether or not race is merely a social construct is absolutely irrelevant to whether or not people are discriminated against because of it. It's a red herring. It has nothing to do with the original thread.
You're right, though, you can't win, but not because it's a loser's game. You can't win because it isn't a game.
posted by solid-one-love at 2:43 PM on December 29, 2005
Simply because you don't agree with me doesn't mean that I'm trolling. I'm certainly not trying to provoke an emotional response. I invite you to show me where the ad hominem is, as well.
To paraphrase the man, that phrase does not mean what you (and he) think it means.
And here's the kicker: whether or not race is merely a social construct is absolutely irrelevant to whether or not people are discriminated against because of it. It's a red herring. It has nothing to do with the original thread.
You're right, though, you can't win, but not because it's a loser's game. You can't win because it isn't a game.
posted by solid-one-love at 2:43 PM on December 29, 2005
I'm not going to talk about why the ideas in question are anti-intelligent, here or elsewhere. Giving time to that side of the debate verges on being morally wrong in exactly the same way that the ID crowd do not deserve to be heard.
How very progressive of you.
posted by event at 2:52 PM on December 29, 2005
How very progressive of you.
posted by event at 2:52 PM on December 29, 2005
s-o-l has very progressive ideas. Watch and see how he'll chime in to comment on how the "Troll Squad" has been summoned when he sees that people from his ignore list have started commenting.
posted by Gator at 3:02 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by Gator at 3:02 PM on December 29, 2005
I'm slacking off on a different workstation right now, Gator, but given how often you've proven yourself to be a stalker, it was inevitable that you'd show up. Seriously, get professional help. It's only a matter of time before you kill the little girl down the street or some other person you're obsessed with, otherwise.
Event, I don't understand your comment; it appears to be a non sequitur, as if you had said "How very purple of you" or "How very deciduous of you."
posted by solid-one-love at 3:08 PM on December 29, 2005
Event, I don't understand your comment; it appears to be a non sequitur, as if you had said "How very purple of you" or "How very deciduous of you."
posted by solid-one-love at 3:08 PM on December 29, 2005
Everybody needs a bosom for a pillow.
Everybody needs a bosom for a pillow.
The count up of comments comes to 45
jonmc's comments went to 45
posted by seanyboy at 3:12 PM on December 29, 2005
Everybody needs a bosom for a pillow.
The count up of comments comes to 45
jonmc's comments went to 45
posted by seanyboy at 3:12 PM on December 29, 2005
*draws cutlass, eyes mob with distaste*
*looks pained, pulls out revolver, shoots person with sword*
posted by Joeforking at 3:28 PM on December 29, 2005
*looks pained, pulls out revolver, shoots person with sword*
posted by Joeforking at 3:28 PM on December 29, 2005
None of my repeated attacks on other members were unnecessary; they were necessary and, in my opinion, welcomed by the moderators.
Making comments directed at other users or other personalities isunnecessary. Debate the issues, not the people. Attacking other members just erodes whatever small grasp a thread might have on open debate and leads to stupid personality-loaded flame wars.
And just because two people can't see everything said by thousands of people doesn't mean you are getting explicit permission and kudos for doing what you do. I've heard several complaints about your behavior. Please try and stick to the subject of a post and issues raised, not others on the site, thanks.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 3:33 PM on December 29, 2005
Making comments directed at other users or other personalities isunnecessary. Debate the issues, not the people. Attacking other members just erodes whatever small grasp a thread might have on open debate and leads to stupid personality-loaded flame wars.
And just because two people can't see everything said by thousands of people doesn't mean you are getting explicit permission and kudos for doing what you do. I've heard several complaints about your behavior. Please try and stick to the subject of a post and issues raised, not others on the site, thanks.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 3:33 PM on December 29, 2005
I hear you, Matt, but I don't understand how I can apply what you are suggesting. It's your site and your rules, and as the owner of the site you may apply the rules indiscriminately or fairly, or evenly or disproportionally, or in any fashion you like, making new rules as you go long if you so desire and ignoring others, showing bias to some and against others if you like, in any combination thereof.
So the only indicator -- the sole indicator -- of what is proper behaviour is what ends up not being deleted. Even now, unprovoked attacks directed at me that I had flagged are still up in that thread and in this one. How am I to not think that such posts are not merely appopriate, but encouraged?
So now I don't know what to do (and I don't really care if people have complained about me; that's merely argumentum ad numerum and not what I consider compelling evidence of poor behaviour). You have told me that a certain type of behaviour is inappropriate, but you have not shown that such behaviour is inappropriate. You haven't called out Klang or SweetJesus. "Flag and move on" appears to either not work or be biased against me. There appears to be disconnect between what you wrote above and how this and other thread has been moderated, unless your implication is that I should not retaliate against unprovoked attacks, and that those attacks will not be deleted if flagged.
If that's the case, I hope the five bucks paid for some of your expenses, and wish you will in your future endeavours.
posted by solid-one-love at 3:54 PM on December 29, 2005
So the only indicator -- the sole indicator -- of what is proper behaviour is what ends up not being deleted. Even now, unprovoked attacks directed at me that I had flagged are still up in that thread and in this one. How am I to not think that such posts are not merely appopriate, but encouraged?
So now I don't know what to do (and I don't really care if people have complained about me; that's merely argumentum ad numerum and not what I consider compelling evidence of poor behaviour). You have told me that a certain type of behaviour is inappropriate, but you have not shown that such behaviour is inappropriate. You haven't called out Klang or SweetJesus. "Flag and move on" appears to either not work or be biased against me. There appears to be disconnect between what you wrote above and how this and other thread has been moderated, unless your implication is that I should not retaliate against unprovoked attacks, and that those attacks will not be deleted if flagged.
If that's the case, I hope the five bucks paid for some of your expenses, and wish you will in your future endeavours.
posted by solid-one-love at 3:54 PM on December 29, 2005
There appears to be disconnect between what you wrote above and how this and other thread has been moderated
disconnectonium.
posted by quonsar at 3:57 PM on December 29, 2005
disconnectonium.
posted by quonsar at 3:57 PM on December 29, 2005
*sigh*
posted by onlyconnect at 4:03 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by onlyconnect at 4:03 PM on December 29, 2005
s.o.l.
1) The site rules are not enforced by infallible humans.
2) Sometimes, respect must be earned.
3) It's not about you. However hard you try, it'll never be about you.
4) Shut Up.
posted by seanyboy at 4:06 PM on December 29, 2005
1) The site rules are not enforced by infallible humans.
2) Sometimes, respect must be earned.
3) It's not about you. However hard you try, it'll never be about you.
4) Shut Up.
posted by seanyboy at 4:06 PM on December 29, 2005
*examines bullet mark on stovelid under serape with mild, but sincere interest*
posted by warbaby at 4:06 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by warbaby at 4:06 PM on December 29, 2005
I believe I can fly,
I believe I can touch the sky,
Think about it every night and every day
Spread my wings and fly away
posted by seanyboy at 4:14 PM on December 29, 2005
I believe I can touch the sky,
Think about it every night and every day
Spread my wings and fly away
posted by seanyboy at 4:14 PM on December 29, 2005
whistletwat taintaphone.
posted by loquacious at 4:17 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by loquacious at 4:17 PM on December 29, 2005
dingusflautist.
posted by loquacious at 4:17 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by loquacious at 4:17 PM on December 29, 2005
choadnuzzler. bean hoarder. organ conductor.
posted by loquacious at 4:18 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by loquacious at 4:18 PM on December 29, 2005
cockenspiel.
posted by loquacious at 4:19 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by loquacious at 4:19 PM on December 29, 2005
Seanyboy, it's only ever about me when someone else makes it about me. I try very, very hard not to make it about me. Your little stunt when we clashed on Plastic.com (remember that?) is a pretty good example of you making it about me. You have no ground to stand on on the issue of respect or who should have the right to speak.
None.
You have a long, long history of trollish, wrongheaded tardery. Don't even begin to imagine a hint of a whiff of the right to advise me on how to behave.
posted by solid-one-love at 4:19 PM on December 29, 2005
None.
You have a long, long history of trollish, wrongheaded tardery. Don't even begin to imagine a hint of a whiff of the right to advise me on how to behave.
posted by solid-one-love at 4:19 PM on December 29, 2005
Wait. I came in here to actually say something...
posted by loquacious at 4:20 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by loquacious at 4:20 PM on December 29, 2005
that's 2 people you're accusing of stalking you, in effect. do you look at everyone who knocks you that way, sol? (i'd be in major trouble if i did, or jon did, or dios did, etc)
posted by amberglow at 4:23 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by amberglow at 4:23 PM on December 29, 2005
saxamasmegmaphone.
posted by loquacious at 4:23 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by loquacious at 4:23 PM on December 29, 2005
Actually, AG, only one of them continues to display that behaviour. So, no, I don't look at everyone that way.
Gator is to me as Rothko is to Dios, albeit less so. Both he and Rothko are, in my unqualified opinion as a non-psychologist, about equally dangerous to themselves and others.
posted by solid-one-love at 4:31 PM on December 29, 2005
Gator is to me as Rothko is to Dios, albeit less so. Both he and Rothko are, in my unqualified opinion as a non-psychologist, about equally dangerous to themselves and others.
posted by solid-one-love at 4:31 PM on December 29, 2005
SOL, perhaps if you weren't so prickly...it is possible to disagree without being disagreeable. And it really doesn't matter what other people do, you can choose to control your reactions.
Try treating people here as people rather than adversaries. Heck, most people don't agree with me on lots of things but the majority are very nice to me, even when they think I have grits for brains.
posted by konolia at 4:31 PM on December 29, 2005
Try treating people here as people rather than adversaries. Heck, most people don't agree with me on lots of things but the majority are very nice to me, even when they think I have grits for brains.
posted by konolia at 4:31 PM on December 29, 2005
C'mon, warbaby, it's a good, fun coinage. The dictionary isn't the be-all and end-all of language.
posted by solid-one-love at 4:32 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by solid-one-love at 4:32 PM on December 29, 2005
Tardery?????
*Shakes head. Wonders when the bar opens*
posted by warbaby at 4:34 PM on December 29, 2005
*Shakes head. Wonders when the bar opens*
posted by warbaby at 4:34 PM on December 29, 2005
...oh yeah. Jon? Put your pants on and stop touching yourself, damnit.
100+ comment MeTa thread about you. I know you're naked. Stop touching yourself. No, damnit. Yes. Touching and rubbing yourself with a frosty cold cold ones is still touching yourself.
Touch the puppy instead.
posted by loquacious at 4:35 PM on December 29, 2005
100+ comment MeTa thread about you. I know you're naked. Stop touching yourself. No, damnit. Yes. Touching and rubbing yourself with a frosty cold cold ones is still touching yourself.
Touch the puppy instead.
posted by loquacious at 4:35 PM on December 29, 2005
I havn't been on Plastic in years, and can't even remember wronging anyone there. So, the answer is no - I don't remember that.
But I'll rise to your little outburst.
You have no ground to stand on on the issue of respect
This has nothing to do with why people should or should not respect you. It's not to do with how you need to gain my respect. It's not even about what I think should engender respect. It's a fact. Some people on this site get away with more because they've earned respect. Simple.
hint of a whiff of the right
What? Is that actually English?
Don't ... advise me on how to behave
Hey; I take my licks when I act like an arse. People generally like and listen to me despite my (I would say) infrequent trolling. I'd say that makes me a perfect candidate for listening to.
Finally, given that you didn't really respond to my first point, I gather that you agree with it 100% And you agree that the administrators aren't deliberately trying to make it difficult for YOU!
posted by seanyboy at 4:35 PM on December 29, 2005
But I'll rise to your little outburst.
You have no ground to stand on on the issue of respect
This has nothing to do with why people should or should not respect you. It's not to do with how you need to gain my respect. It's not even about what I think should engender respect. It's a fact. Some people on this site get away with more because they've earned respect. Simple.
hint of a whiff of the right
What? Is that actually English?
Don't ... advise me on how to behave
Hey; I take my licks when I act like an arse. People generally like and listen to me despite my (I would say) infrequent trolling. I'd say that makes me a perfect candidate for listening to.
Finally, given that you didn't really respond to my first point, I gather that you agree with it 100% And you agree that the administrators aren't deliberately trying to make it difficult for YOU!
posted by seanyboy at 4:35 PM on December 29, 2005
None of my repeated attacks on other members were unnecessary; they were necessary and, in my opinion, welcomed by the moderators.
this is not true.
posted by jessamyn at 4:35 PM on December 29, 2005
this is not true.
posted by jessamyn at 4:35 PM on December 29, 2005
Dude, are you blind? The bar is right where we left it.
On the ground.
posted by loquacious at 4:35 PM on December 29, 2005
On the ground.
posted by loquacious at 4:35 PM on December 29, 2005
s-o-l, solving your problems is pretty simple. Be the bigger person and ignore other members that aren't engaging in a discussion of the topic at hand. If someone wants to make something about you, don't let them by simply not engaging them.
You present your problems like something that I can only solve by reprimanding every person that has ever mentioned you by name. The same rule applies to all -- please stick to issues not personalities -- but every now and then people stray from that and attack others.
The bottom line is that the proper response isn't to come out swinging at others. The proper response is to move on.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 4:35 PM on December 29, 2005
You present your problems like something that I can only solve by reprimanding every person that has ever mentioned you by name. The same rule applies to all -- please stick to issues not personalities -- but every now and then people stray from that and attack others.
The bottom line is that the proper response isn't to come out swinging at others. The proper response is to move on.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 4:35 PM on December 29, 2005
Thing is, Konolia, I don't see myself as prickly in even the smallest way; I don't even think about whatever we talk about here when I'm not here. I'm like the monk in the koan who carried the woman across the stream.
And, perhaps to my detriment, I don't really see the people here as "people", much less adversaries. But the thing is, I don't think that any (or many) of the other users that I argue with see the people here as people, either.
I am, at least, up front about it.
posted by solid-one-love at 4:36 PM on December 29, 2005
And, perhaps to my detriment, I don't really see the people here as "people", much less adversaries. But the thing is, I don't think that any (or many) of the other users that I argue with see the people here as people, either.
I am, at least, up front about it.
posted by solid-one-love at 4:36 PM on December 29, 2005
Oh, snap. TORTFEASORS.
posted by loquacious at 4:37 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by loquacious at 4:37 PM on December 29, 2005
*Rummages in desk drawer. Finds bottle of moonshine slivovitz from that Croatian fisherman*
posted by warbaby at 4:37 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by warbaby at 4:37 PM on December 29, 2005
Matt, s-o-l has made it very clear that he is unwilling to do that, regardless of whether you and Jess admonish him publicly, regardless of whether it fans the flames and derails conversations. He considers himself honor-bound to escalate any perceived slight. He has said so in so many words.
posted by Gator at 4:40 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by Gator at 4:40 PM on December 29, 2005
Finally, given that you didn't really respond to my first point, I gather that you agree with it 100%
I do. I said as much in the first paragraph of my response to Matt. I still don't grasp why you even wrote it, as it wasn't merely consistent with what I wrote, but essentially a summary.
posted by solid-one-love at 4:40 PM on December 29, 2005
I do. I said as much in the first paragraph of my response to Matt. I still don't grasp why you even wrote it, as it wasn't merely consistent with what I wrote, but essentially a summary.
posted by solid-one-love at 4:40 PM on December 29, 2005
I don't even think about whatever we talk about here when I'm not here.
This speaks volumes.
posted by jonmc at 4:40 PM on December 29, 2005
This speaks volumes.
posted by jonmc at 4:40 PM on December 29, 2005
GET BACK TO MAKING FUNNY OR YOU'RE DOOMED, YOU FUZZBOXERS.
posted by loquacious at 4:41 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by loquacious at 4:41 PM on December 29, 2005
*makes mead bowls and bongs from the skulls and femurs of several nearby unfunny people, gets jolly*
posted by loquacious at 4:42 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by loquacious at 4:42 PM on December 29, 2005
Gator, while being a dangerous predatory stalker, is correct. I am not willing to do that; I consider it be counterproductive in pretty much every way. So I'm going to retire to AskMe once this thread plays itself out, where I predict Gator will continue to stalk me until he sates himself some other way.
posted by solid-one-love at 4:43 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by solid-one-love at 4:43 PM on December 29, 2005
s.o.l. Oh No you didn't.
//feeling slightly bored with this now.
Snozz Buckets.
posted by seanyboy at 4:44 PM on December 29, 2005
//feeling slightly bored with this now.
Snozz Buckets.
posted by seanyboy at 4:44 PM on December 29, 2005
Thing is, Konolia, I don't see myself as prickly in even the smallest way
Ah, but the rest of US do.
Perhaps some selfexamination is in order?
And, not to be insulting (and you don't need to answer this here in public) do you have mental health issues that would affect how you see things around here? I do, and when not treated and/or my meds need tweaking, that is when the interpersonal relationship thing starts getting difficult.
Anyway, why not take a deep breath and do as Mathowie says? Then before you know it you will be a beloved member of the community and will have much more slack granted to you. That's just the way it is.
posted by konolia at 4:50 PM on December 29, 2005
Ah, but the rest of US do.
Perhaps some selfexamination is in order?
And, not to be insulting (and you don't need to answer this here in public) do you have mental health issues that would affect how you see things around here? I do, and when not treated and/or my meds need tweaking, that is when the interpersonal relationship thing starts getting difficult.
Anyway, why not take a deep breath and do as Mathowie says? Then before you know it you will be a beloved member of the community and will have much more slack granted to you. That's just the way it is.
posted by konolia at 4:50 PM on December 29, 2005
dangleberries.
posted by sgt.serenity at 4:56 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by sgt.serenity at 4:56 PM on December 29, 2005
see, if the crazy lady is telling you to adjust your meds, then there's definitely something off. ; >
posted by amberglow at 4:57 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by amberglow at 4:57 PM on December 29, 2005
Ah, but the rest of US do.
That many people believe a thing to be true doesn't make it true -- like theism.
(Sorry. it just slipped out.)
Sometimes the one guy in the asylum protesting his sanity is the only sane one. I lead a very self-examined life, but thank you.
Anyway, why not take a deep breath and do as Mathowie says?
There are many, many answers. One would be that I was raised to do otherwise (you were raised with 'turn the other cheek'; I was raised with 'two eyes for an eye, a mouthful of teeth for one tooth'). Another would be that I have seen, over and over, over the last twenty years, evidence that not responding to flamers destroys forums more quickly and more surely than responding to them. I could go on for pages.
Then before you know it you will be a beloved member of the community and will have much more slack granted to you.
I've written elsewhere that I don't consider this a community in any meaningful sense of the word, and I'm really only interested in being beloved by people with whom I have actual contact.
posted by solid-one-love at 4:58 PM on December 29, 2005
That many people believe a thing to be true doesn't make it true -- like theism.
(Sorry. it just slipped out.)
Sometimes the one guy in the asylum protesting his sanity is the only sane one. I lead a very self-examined life, but thank you.
Anyway, why not take a deep breath and do as Mathowie says?
There are many, many answers. One would be that I was raised to do otherwise (you were raised with 'turn the other cheek'; I was raised with 'two eyes for an eye, a mouthful of teeth for one tooth'). Another would be that I have seen, over and over, over the last twenty years, evidence that not responding to flamers destroys forums more quickly and more surely than responding to them. I could go on for pages.
Then before you know it you will be a beloved member of the community and will have much more slack granted to you.
I've written elsewhere that I don't consider this a community in any meaningful sense of the word, and I'm really only interested in being beloved by people with whom I have actual contact.
posted by solid-one-love at 4:58 PM on December 29, 2005
gaotr is evil and psots suggestuns like giving things to soup kithcins but im not fooled i nkow hes outside my wino .
posted by sgt.serenity at 4:59 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by sgt.serenity at 4:59 PM on December 29, 2005
i just flicked a cigarette from my ashtray straight into my cup of coffee , it somersaulted over and over and went right in , isnt that amazing ?
posted by sgt.serenity at 5:01 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by sgt.serenity at 5:01 PM on December 29, 2005
commode 64
posted by sgt.serenity at 5:03 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by sgt.serenity at 5:03 PM on December 29, 2005
I lead a very self-examined life,
I'll bet. Key word being "self."
posted by jonmc at 5:07 PM on December 29, 2005
I'll bet. Key word being "self."
posted by jonmc at 5:07 PM on December 29, 2005
Then, SOL, I truly have to say you are not a good fit for this place.
I have been here a lot longer than my present user number would imply. This forum will rock on just fine-we had just as many arguments and pissing matches in 2001 as we do now. We have been predicting the demise of this place for years. Well, it is still rolling along just fine.
If you are not choosing to be a member of this community I question your reason for being here. Just sitting around being caustic to all you disagree with is not healthy. Even the caustic ones around here display another side to themselves-or they wind up banned at some point.
Just sayin'.
posted by konolia at 5:11 PM on December 29, 2005
I have been here a lot longer than my present user number would imply. This forum will rock on just fine-we had just as many arguments and pissing matches in 2001 as we do now. We have been predicting the demise of this place for years. Well, it is still rolling along just fine.
If you are not choosing to be a member of this community I question your reason for being here. Just sitting around being caustic to all you disagree with is not healthy. Even the caustic ones around here display another side to themselves-or they wind up banned at some point.
Just sayin'.
posted by konolia at 5:11 PM on December 29, 2005
Personal note to solid-one-love: David Letterman is NOT stalking you. "Oprah" is not a code name for you. (However, "Uma" is a code name for ME).
Considering the fact that a loose grasp on reality is almost necessary to be an ongoing contributor here, your extremely high level of self-delusion is rather impressive. I concur with konolia, except for her concern for your wellbeing. I await your highly entertaining flameout.
posted by wendell at 5:12 PM on December 29, 2005
Considering the fact that a loose grasp on reality is almost necessary to be an ongoing contributor here, your extremely high level of self-delusion is rather impressive. I concur with konolia, except for her concern for your wellbeing. I await your highly entertaining flameout.
posted by wendell at 5:12 PM on December 29, 2005
(However, "Uma" is a code name for ME).
Really?
I feel so dirty!
posted by jonmc at 5:13 PM on December 29, 2005
Really?
I feel so dirty!
posted by jonmc at 5:13 PM on December 29, 2005
I have seen, over and over, over the last twenty years, evidence that not responding to flamers destroys forums more quickly and more surely than responding to them.
Which is the best reason anybody can give for coming down hard on YOUR ugly ass, s-o-l.
No coincidence that your initials also stand for "shit-outa-luck".
posted by wendell at 5:14 PM on December 29, 2005
Which is the best reason anybody can give for coming down hard on YOUR ugly ass, s-o-l.
No coincidence that your initials also stand for "shit-outa-luck".
posted by wendell at 5:14 PM on December 29, 2005
solid-one-love writes "I was raised with 'two eyes for an eye, a mouthful of teeth for one tooth'...I could go on for pages."
You have got to be kidding me, you hard, hard motherfucker. You are so hard. So fucking hard. If we were connected in any meaningful way I'd butt heads with your hard ass self. You are soooo haaarrrddd!
posted by OmieWise at 5:23 PM on December 29, 2005
You have got to be kidding me, you hard, hard motherfucker. You are so hard. So fucking hard. If we were connected in any meaningful way I'd butt heads with your hard ass self. You are soooo haaarrrddd!
posted by OmieWise at 5:23 PM on December 29, 2005
I don't know about the rest of you, but as I read this thread, I only become more convinced that solid-one-love is a reasonable and responsible individual who plays fair, knows what he's talking about, has the best interests of the site at heart and his head screwed on plumb-straight about most subjects.
His is a precious nut. Ye stalkers and haters that be, please get the fuck off it like now.
posted by scarabic at 5:25 PM on December 29, 2005
His is a precious nut. Ye stalkers and haters that be, please get the fuck off it like now.
posted by scarabic at 5:25 PM on December 29, 2005
I've written elsewhere that I don't consider this a community in any meaningful sense of the word, and I'm really only interested in being beloved by people with whom I have actual contact.
How's that working for you?
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 5:35 PM on December 29, 2005
How's that working for you?
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 5:35 PM on December 29, 2005
When I was young and had no sense
I stuck my cock in an electric fence.
It curled my hair
And tickled my balls
And made me shit in my overalls.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 5:41 PM on December 29, 2005
I stuck my cock in an electric fence.
It curled my hair
And tickled my balls
And made me shit in my overalls.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 5:41 PM on December 29, 2005
Actually, S-O-L was intended for shit-out-of-luck. See the AskMe post. Borderline personality disorder if you ask me. (nobody did...)
Canadians, like Mormons, when they go bad, they really go bad.
A Mountie, a beaver and a moose walk into a bar...
*fill in Cacananadada joke here*
Oh, yes. Mange muffins.
posted by warbaby at 6:01 PM on December 29, 2005
Canadians, like Mormons, when they go bad, they really go bad.
A Mountie, a beaver and a moose walk into a bar...
*fill in Cacananadada joke here*
Oh, yes. Mange muffins.
posted by warbaby at 6:01 PM on December 29, 2005
Borderline personality disorder if you ask me. (nobody did...)
close. I'd say this instead.
posted by jonmc at 6:04 PM on December 29, 2005
close. I'd say this instead.
posted by jonmc at 6:04 PM on December 29, 2005
That'd be a neat trick, fandango. When you wipe off the ashes, I'd appreciate it if you'd scrape them back into the little green box where you found them. Sans spooge, if you please.
posted by solid-one-love at 6:13 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by solid-one-love at 6:13 PM on December 29, 2005
jon, the grandiosity isn't as pronounced as I would expect in npd. Both, however, are pretty much untreatable. The lack of empathy is consistent with either condition. One would have to have some history of sexual relations to get a really firm diagnosis. A history of exploitive relationships would not be inconsistent with the subject's observed behavior so far and npd tends towards the masocistic.
Say, SOL, do you find this arousing?
posted by warbaby at 6:22 PM on December 29, 2005
Say, SOL, do you find this arousing?
posted by warbaby at 6:22 PM on December 29, 2005
It must really suck to spend an hour chewing your lip and composing an apparently blasé retort to a posted graphic only to to have the graphic get haugheynated or jessaleted a moment before you click "Post Comment".
posted by George_Spiggott at 6:36 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by George_Spiggott at 6:36 PM on December 29, 2005
There are many, many answers. One would be that I was raised to do otherwise (you were raised with 'turn the other cheek'; I was raised with 'two eyes for an eye, a mouthful of teeth for one tooth'). Another would be that I have seen, over and over, over the last twenty years, evidence that not responding to flamers destroys forums more quickly and more surely than responding to them. I could go on for pages.
Then fuck off, asshole.
posted by interrobang at 6:38 PM on December 29, 2005
Then fuck off, asshole.
posted by interrobang at 6:38 PM on December 29, 2005
When you wipe off the ashes, I'd appreciate it if you'd scrape them back into the little green box where you found them.
Fascinating, Mr. One Love. Please continue.
posted by boaz at 6:38 PM on December 29, 2005
Fascinating, Mr. One Love. Please continue.
posted by boaz at 6:38 PM on December 29, 2005
That doesn't follow, fandango. Whether or not I consider you a person is not relevant. The ashes don't belong to you, so you should treat them with care, as you would with anything that belonged to someone else; I assume that you consider me a person even I don't consider you one. I'm not the one making (rhetorical) use of your property, so how I view you is moot.
Warbaby, like 90% of the Western world, I've had therapy. There's nothing wrong with me, and, interestingly, I asked a therapist specificaly about BPD. Most laypersons' psychological diagnoses are wrong; most people meet most of the criteria for most disorders at some point or other. For example, I once called jonmc a sociopath. I was wrong. He's just a jerk -- but I shouldn't fault him for that. He's also a hypocrite (deriding me for calling him a sociopath while claiming that I have NPD), which I can fault him for, but that's neither here nor there.
And the evidence based on your behaviour here is that it's you getting some kind of perverse sexual pleasure, not I. But, please, keep it up. I don't find this arousing, but it is endlessly entertaining.
posted by solid-one-love at 6:40 PM on December 29, 2005
Warbaby, like 90% of the Western world, I've had therapy. There's nothing wrong with me, and, interestingly, I asked a therapist specificaly about BPD. Most laypersons' psychological diagnoses are wrong; most people meet most of the criteria for most disorders at some point or other. For example, I once called jonmc a sociopath. I was wrong. He's just a jerk -- but I shouldn't fault him for that. He's also a hypocrite (deriding me for calling him a sociopath while claiming that I have NPD), which I can fault him for, but that's neither here nor there.
And the evidence based on your behaviour here is that it's you getting some kind of perverse sexual pleasure, not I. But, please, keep it up. I don't find this arousing, but it is endlessly entertaining.
posted by solid-one-love at 6:40 PM on December 29, 2005
A delightfully autistic response.
posted by interrobang at 6:42 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by interrobang at 6:42 PM on December 29, 2005
It must really suck to spend an hour chewing your lip and composing an apparently blasé retort to a posted graphic only to to have the graphic get haugheynated or jessaleted a moment before you click "Post Comment".
Not really (and it wasn't an hour; I was just doing other things and came back to find all new levels of ritualizeds elf-abuse). It is, rather, enlightening to see where the line is.
posted by solid-one-love at 6:43 PM on December 29, 2005
Not really (and it wasn't an hour; I was just doing other things and came back to find all new levels of ritualizeds elf-abuse). It is, rather, enlightening to see where the line is.
posted by solid-one-love at 6:43 PM on December 29, 2005
I once called jonmc a sociopath. I was wrong. He's just a jerk
Of course I am, but I can at least admit to my faults. I have yet to ever see you even publicly entertain the thought "I could be wrong" (well, until just this moment. Breakthrough!)
posted by jonmc at 6:44 PM on December 29, 2005
Of course I am, but I can at least admit to my faults. I have yet to ever see you even publicly entertain the thought "I could be wrong" (well, until just this moment. Breakthrough!)
posted by jonmc at 6:44 PM on December 29, 2005
Not elf-abuse. That was four days ago, I'm told.
posted by solid-one-love at 6:44 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by solid-one-love at 6:44 PM on December 29, 2005
well, we wouldn't want to traumatize the little people.
posted by jonmc at 6:45 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by jonmc at 6:45 PM on December 29, 2005
I have yet to ever see you even publicly entertain the thought "I could be wrong" (well, until just this moment. Breakthrough!)
For three weeks, my profile page said "Languagehat was right and I was wrong. I'm man enough to admit when I am wrong." And I told him so specifically in a thread recently.
I don't think I'm wrong about you being a sociopath, but, like I said, my diagnosis is unprofessional and worth what you've paid for it.
posted by solid-one-love at 6:46 PM on December 29, 2005
For three weeks, my profile page said "Languagehat was right and I was wrong. I'm man enough to admit when I am wrong." And I told him so specifically in a thread recently.
I don't think I'm wrong about you being a sociopath, but, like I said, my diagnosis is unprofessional and worth what you've paid for it.
posted by solid-one-love at 6:46 PM on December 29, 2005
Well, that was a quick turnaround. Good to see you're commited to your beliefs.
posted by jonmc at 6:47 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by jonmc at 6:47 PM on December 29, 2005
jonmc definitely is not a sociopath, but statements like "And, perhaps to my detriment, I don't really see the people here as "people", much less adversaries. But the thing is, I don't think that any (or many) of the other users that I argue with see the people here as people, either." definitely mark you as one.
posted by interrobang at 6:48 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by interrobang at 6:48 PM on December 29, 2005
SOL, I am totally amazed at your complete lack of self-insight.
I don't think you are BPD for what it's worth. But it's plain wrong for you not to consider others here as people. And for you to say nothing is wrong with you-well, if nothing is wrong with you you are choosing to be a jerk.
Why? What is the possible payoff?
posted by konolia at 6:48 PM on December 29, 2005
I don't think you are BPD for what it's worth. But it's plain wrong for you not to consider others here as people. And for you to say nothing is wrong with you-well, if nothing is wrong with you you are choosing to be a jerk.
Why? What is the possible payoff?
posted by konolia at 6:48 PM on December 29, 2005
Yeah, I don't know where that came from. I meant "I didn't think I was wrong". I'm trying to cook dinner and not paying attention; I see that that was what you were talking about when you said that you've seen me admit to a mistake.
posted by solid-one-love at 6:49 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by solid-one-love at 6:49 PM on December 29, 2005
Your actions don't upset me, fandango. I understand that you want them to, though. To label me as misanthropic just broke three of my ironymeters. I am also somehow satisfied that of the two of us, only one has had a comment deleted.
Konolia, for all I know you're dogs or advanced copies of Eliza. I'm never going to meet you. The only difference between (for example) you and (for example) the starving kids in Africa that I don't send money to is that we exchange words online. I think it's spookky when people do claim to form emotional connections with people online whom they have never met. That's just completely alien. This is not, in any case, indicative of a lack of self-insight.
posted by solid-one-love at 6:53 PM on December 29, 2005
Konolia, for all I know you're dogs or advanced copies of Eliza. I'm never going to meet you. The only difference between (for example) you and (for example) the starving kids in Africa that I don't send money to is that we exchange words online. I think it's spookky when people do claim to form emotional connections with people online whom they have never met. That's just completely alien. This is not, in any case, indicative of a lack of self-insight.
posted by solid-one-love at 6:53 PM on December 29, 2005
Konolia, for all I know you're dogs or advanced copies of Eliza. I'm never going to meet you. The only difference between (for example) you and (for example) the starving kids in Africa that I don't send money to is that we exchange words online.
Classic sociopathic disassociation.
posted by interrobang at 6:55 PM on December 29, 2005
Classic sociopathic disassociation.
posted by interrobang at 6:55 PM on December 29, 2005
Konolia, for all I know you're dogs
*sniffs konolia's hindquarters, gets bitten*
I think it's spookky when people do claim to form emotional connections with people online whom they have never met.
newsflash, genius: many of us have met. a few people here are regular drinking buddies of mine. Others who I haven't met in the flesh have helped me (through emails and IM"s through some dark times). One person here even helped me get the job I currently hold. Another helped me get my apartment. These pixels are produced by flesh and blood beings.
posted by jonmc at 6:57 PM on December 29, 2005
*sniffs konolia's hindquarters, gets bitten*
I think it's spookky when people do claim to form emotional connections with people online whom they have never met.
newsflash, genius: many of us have met. a few people here are regular drinking buddies of mine. Others who I haven't met in the flesh have helped me (through emails and IM"s through some dark times). One person here even helped me get the job I currently hold. Another helped me get my apartment. These pixels are produced by flesh and blood beings.
posted by jonmc at 6:57 PM on December 29, 2005
I feel sorry for you , sol.
To me exchanging ideas with people, no matter what the medium, IS in a way meeting them. I've met people I talked to online (not mefites, too bad for me) and it was a positive experience.
SOL, you still have not explained why it is worth your while to be here if we obviously have no meaning to you, if you obviously do not care if your words hurt our feelings or upset us or enrage us, if you see no difference between any one of us and a poached egg. The fact you don't see anything abnormal or unusual about your online behavior is a big fat hopping red flag, for me, anyway.
Unless you are a Psych major writing a paper about weblogs or something, in which case shame on you, we aren't your rats.
posted by konolia at 6:59 PM on December 29, 2005
To me exchanging ideas with people, no matter what the medium, IS in a way meeting them. I've met people I talked to online (not mefites, too bad for me) and it was a positive experience.
SOL, you still have not explained why it is worth your while to be here if we obviously have no meaning to you, if you obviously do not care if your words hurt our feelings or upset us or enrage us, if you see no difference between any one of us and a poached egg. The fact you don't see anything abnormal or unusual about your online behavior is a big fat hopping red flag, for me, anyway.
Unless you are a Psych major writing a paper about weblogs or something, in which case shame on you, we aren't your rats.
posted by konolia at 6:59 PM on December 29, 2005
You might want to read up on the morality of proxmity, interrobang. We treat our families as more important than our neighbours, our neighbours as more important than our community, and so on up the line. As such, it is not necessarily immoral to ignore the plight of people halfway around the world whom you will never meet. There's nothing sociopathic about that, and I think you'd be hard-pressed to find any sociologist who would disagree with me.
Likewise, I'm never going to meet you. And yet, even though I don't really consider you a person, I'm treating you a helluva lot better than you are treating me, whom I assume you do consider a person.
Who, then, is the sociopath? My money's on you.
posted by solid-one-love at 6:59 PM on December 29, 2005
Likewise, I'm never going to meet you. And yet, even though I don't really consider you a person, I'm treating you a helluva lot better than you are treating me, whom I assume you do consider a person.
Who, then, is the sociopath? My money's on you.
posted by solid-one-love at 6:59 PM on December 29, 2005
The worst thing about this obviously intentional flame-out is that solid-one-love isn't even all that entertaining. I mean, jeez, give me minya over this any day.
He practically flamed out a couple of months ago, but it didn't happen. Now he has this on his user page:
I'm approaching the end of my participation on MeFi, at least in the blue and grey. I paid my five bucks to answer a question in AskMe, and it's mutated into some hydra-headed continual flamefest with social fucking retards.
Try harder, man. If you're going to go out with a bang, say more crazy stuff. Don't just post comments that consistently reveal that you're just an asshole. Exchange a penis-beheading, or something.
posted by interrobang at 7:02 PM on December 29, 2005
He practically flamed out a couple of months ago, but it didn't happen. Now he has this on his user page:
I'm approaching the end of my participation on MeFi, at least in the blue and grey. I paid my five bucks to answer a question in AskMe, and it's mutated into some hydra-headed continual flamefest with social fucking retards.
Try harder, man. If you're going to go out with a bang, say more crazy stuff. Don't just post comments that consistently reveal that you're just an asshole. Exchange a penis-beheading, or something.
posted by interrobang at 7:02 PM on December 29, 2005
I have been here a lot longer than my present user number would imply. This forum will rock on just fine-we had just as many arguments and pissing matches in 2001 as we do now.
No we didn't. We have many more arguments today than 2001. With so many more members, that's not surprising.
If you are not choosing to be a member of this community I question your reason for being here.
Nonsense. Nothing says you have to regard mefi as a community. You don't have to go to meet ups, and email each other, and send christmas cards. You CAN, and I'm sure there are quite a few members who's lives revolve around metafilter, but it's certainly not a requirement.
Members need to realize that there is a human on the other end of the screen, and treat them with respect. That doesn't mean they have to believe in any community. As long as you're not out to cause damage, there's nothing wrong with seeing metafilter as words on a screen.
newsflash, genius: many of us have met. a few people here are regular drinking buddies of mine. Others who I haven't met in the flesh have helped me (through emails and IM"s through some dark times). One person here even helped me get the job I currently hold. Another helped me get my apartment. These pixels are produced by flesh and blood beings.
Good for you jon. A huge majority of members will never meet. And to others it is just pixels, and nothings wrong with that. It's your choice to make a website and it's members such a big part of your life. Doesn't mean everyone else will feel the same.
posted by justgary at 7:05 PM on December 29, 2005
No we didn't. We have many more arguments today than 2001. With so many more members, that's not surprising.
If you are not choosing to be a member of this community I question your reason for being here.
Nonsense. Nothing says you have to regard mefi as a community. You don't have to go to meet ups, and email each other, and send christmas cards. You CAN, and I'm sure there are quite a few members who's lives revolve around metafilter, but it's certainly not a requirement.
Members need to realize that there is a human on the other end of the screen, and treat them with respect. That doesn't mean they have to believe in any community. As long as you're not out to cause damage, there's nothing wrong with seeing metafilter as words on a screen.
newsflash, genius: many of us have met. a few people here are regular drinking buddies of mine. Others who I haven't met in the flesh have helped me (through emails and IM"s through some dark times). One person here even helped me get the job I currently hold. Another helped me get my apartment. These pixels are produced by flesh and blood beings.
Good for you jon. A huge majority of members will never meet. And to others it is just pixels, and nothings wrong with that. It's your choice to make a website and it's members such a big part of your life. Doesn't mean everyone else will feel the same.
posted by justgary at 7:05 PM on December 29, 2005
I'm smacking my face right now. Time to step away from comments for a while.
herpyshichord.
posted by furtive at 7:05 PM on December 29, 2005
herpyshichord.
posted by furtive at 7:05 PM on December 29, 2005
Why is it important to you why I'm here, Konolia? I don't care why you're here, after all. And, yes, my behaviour is abnormal and unusual, but "normal" is just a label. I don't consider it aberrant or egregious.
As for your pity: I have been very polite to you throughout this thread, and yet have seen nothing from you but judgment. I refer you to Romans 2.
No, I'm not writing a paper. I'm here for the same reason many people are here, I suspect: to be entertained. I check the front page, I see a link. I read the link. I comment on the link. Usually that's where it ends.
posted by solid-one-love at 7:05 PM on December 29, 2005
As for your pity: I have been very polite to you throughout this thread, and yet have seen nothing from you but judgment. I refer you to Romans 2.
No, I'm not writing a paper. I'm here for the same reason many people are here, I suspect: to be entertained. I check the front page, I see a link. I read the link. I comment on the link. Usually that's where it ends.
posted by solid-one-love at 7:05 PM on December 29, 2005
And to others it is just pixels, and nothings wrong with that.
Sorry, justgary, but that just ain't so. Even if you never meet the people on the other side of those pixels, they're still there. I'll be happy to cop to the fact that I've flown off the handle with people here, but it always bugs me, and usually I'll make an attempt to remedy the situation, and in several cases (rothko, matteo, and interrobang come to mind) it's been to my benefit. It's got nothing to do with making mefi the "center of your life." It's about respect for common humanity, that's all.
posted by jonmc at 7:09 PM on December 29, 2005
Sorry, justgary, but that just ain't so. Even if you never meet the people on the other side of those pixels, they're still there. I'll be happy to cop to the fact that I've flown off the handle with people here, but it always bugs me, and usually I'll make an attempt to remedy the situation, and in several cases (rothko, matteo, and interrobang come to mind) it's been to my benefit. It's got nothing to do with making mefi the "center of your life." It's about respect for common humanity, that's all.
posted by jonmc at 7:09 PM on December 29, 2005
Likewise, I'm never going to meet you. And yet, even though I don't really consider you a person, I'm treating you a helluva lot better than you are treating me, whom I assume you do consider a person.
You haven't ever treated my like anything before, ever. I don't know if that's better or not. Considering that was trying to help you, I'd say that I'm treating you better than you're treating me.
I do consider you a person, and your statements in this thread indicate that you have some weird disassociative problems with realizing that the people you're interacting with here on metafilter are actually people.
I don't like it when people treat this community the way you're treating it. I've made personal attacks in the past, and I feel real, actual remorse for it, because I've later gotten to know them, and really realized that they're real, actual, goddamned people.
Why bother posting on this site, if you're not willing to realize this? Why not put your energy into somewhere much more anonymous like Fark, where there are tons and tons and tons of members, and your comments might hurt someone who hardly cares?
posted by interrobang at 7:10 PM on December 29, 2005
You haven't ever treated my like anything before, ever. I don't know if that's better or not. Considering that was trying to help you, I'd say that I'm treating you better than you're treating me.
I do consider you a person, and your statements in this thread indicate that you have some weird disassociative problems with realizing that the people you're interacting with here on metafilter are actually people.
I don't like it when people treat this community the way you're treating it. I've made personal attacks in the past, and I feel real, actual remorse for it, because I've later gotten to know them, and really realized that they're real, actual, goddamned people.
Why bother posting on this site, if you're not willing to realize this? Why not put your energy into somewhere much more anonymous like Fark, where there are tons and tons and tons of members, and your comments might hurt someone who hardly cares?
posted by interrobang at 7:10 PM on December 29, 2005
SOL, you are a curiosity, and as such I am simply gathering info from a primary source. I started out trying to help you get along better here, and as you continued to post I was astounded at the view you have of all of us.
As to the word community: I do not mean that we are all around a campfire singing kumbaya or going out for beers or sending each other mix cds. I mean that we are a collection of individuals who post in this place and interact with each other for better or ill. As such we should treat each other the way we would if we actually coexisted in a neighborhood. Pixels on a screen maybe, put pixels put there by a PERSON.
Finally, I will care if I want to. I need no reasons.
posted by konolia at 7:11 PM on December 29, 2005
As to the word community: I do not mean that we are all around a campfire singing kumbaya or going out for beers or sending each other mix cds. I mean that we are a collection of individuals who post in this place and interact with each other for better or ill. As such we should treat each other the way we would if we actually coexisted in a neighborhood. Pixels on a screen maybe, put pixels put there by a PERSON.
Finally, I will care if I want to. I need no reasons.
posted by konolia at 7:11 PM on December 29, 2005
No, I'm not writing a paper. I'm here for the same reason many people are here, I suspect: to be entertained.
I come here to learn about things, but maybe that's just me.
posted by interrobang at 7:12 PM on December 29, 2005
I come here to learn about things, but maybe that's just me.
posted by interrobang at 7:12 PM on December 29, 2005
I came here for the free beer and naked women. I'm starting to get impatient.
posted by jonmc at 7:13 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by jonmc at 7:13 PM on December 29, 2005
solid-one-love writes "even though I don't really consider you a person,"
You know, you keep writing this, and it's a shocking thing to say. I'm serious, shocking. It's certainly a sociopathic statement (although I'm not presuming to diagnose you as anything other than an asshole.) I'm really glad I don't know you, at least I hope I don't. That's the kind of statement from which very bad things spring.
posted by OmieWise at 7:15 PM on December 29, 2005
You know, you keep writing this, and it's a shocking thing to say. I'm serious, shocking. It's certainly a sociopathic statement (although I'm not presuming to diagnose you as anything other than an asshole.) I'm really glad I don't know you, at least I hope I don't. That's the kind of statement from which very bad things spring.
posted by OmieWise at 7:15 PM on December 29, 2005
For three weeks, my profile page said "Languagehat was right and I was wrong. I'm man enough to admit when I am wrong."
because everyone reads your userpage several times a day, huh?
posted by quonsar at 7:15 PM on December 29, 2005
because everyone reads your userpage several times a day, huh?
posted by quonsar at 7:15 PM on December 29, 2005
It's got nothing to do with making mefi the "center of your life." It's about respect for common humanity, that's all.
Jon, the "center of your life" comment wasn't a put down. If I didn't live in the middle of nowhere I would be up for a meetup. I've talked on the phone to people I've met on a community site. It's all good.
But you can have "respect for common humanity" without seeing metafilter as a community. I haven't really followed SOL, but if he checks the front page, sees a link, reads the link, and comments on the link, as long as he's respectful, there's nothing wrong with that.
You can be respectful and debate without thinking metafilter is family. One doesn't have to depend on the other, as some seem to be claiming.
posted by justgary at 7:16 PM on December 29, 2005
Jon, the "center of your life" comment wasn't a put down. If I didn't live in the middle of nowhere I would be up for a meetup. I've talked on the phone to people I've met on a community site. It's all good.
But you can have "respect for common humanity" without seeing metafilter as a community. I haven't really followed SOL, but if he checks the front page, sees a link, reads the link, and comments on the link, as long as he's respectful, there's nothing wrong with that.
You can be respectful and debate without thinking metafilter is family. One doesn't have to depend on the other, as some seem to be claiming.
posted by justgary at 7:16 PM on December 29, 2005
Fandango: it's hard to explain. Until someone has entered my perception, they're nebulous at best. As an analogy, like Schroedinger's Cat; they are a quantum uncertainty. I cannot conceptualize any specific individual in any rhetorical village in Mali. Whether it is true or false that anyone lives there just doesn't matter.
The rhetorical starving kid is less than a "conceptual person", because I can't even label an individual. You, for example, have a label. You can be abstracted as an entity. This makes you more of a 'person' than the Rhetorical Malian Kid. But you're still outside the scope of my proximal morality; I don't have to care about you, even to the extent of hether or not you exist now or will exist tomorrow. You don't have full personhood in my worldview.
This is an unusual POV, but I don't think it's an aberrant one. I care about people I know. I don't care about people I don't know -- and don't necessarily consider them "people". Shrug.
posted by solid-one-love at 7:17 PM on December 29, 2005
The rhetorical starving kid is less than a "conceptual person", because I can't even label an individual. You, for example, have a label. You can be abstracted as an entity. This makes you more of a 'person' than the Rhetorical Malian Kid. But you're still outside the scope of my proximal morality; I don't have to care about you, even to the extent of hether or not you exist now or will exist tomorrow. You don't have full personhood in my worldview.
This is an unusual POV, but I don't think it's an aberrant one. I care about people I know. I don't care about people I don't know -- and don't necessarily consider them "people". Shrug.
posted by solid-one-love at 7:17 PM on December 29, 2005
i remember when people thought *i* was the worst thing that ever happened to the site.
posted by quonsar at 7:17 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by quonsar at 7:17 PM on December 29, 2005
SOL, but if he checks the front page, sees a link, reads the link, and comments on the link, as long as he's respectful (emphasis mine), there's nothing wrong with that.
He hasn't been, gary, and his responses in this thread reveal that there's little hope of that, sadly.
posted by jonmc at 7:17 PM on December 29, 2005
He hasn't been, gary, and his responses in this thread reveal that there's little hope of that, sadly.
posted by jonmc at 7:17 PM on December 29, 2005
My money has SOL as the sociopath. As far as a flame-out goes, he has the "I'm so above all you non-people and your opinions" part down, but something is missing for this to be a real good flame-out thread. I guess we need the "'I'm leaving now' and then coming back to the thread bit."
That, and an exploding manatee.
posted by marxchivist at 7:20 PM on December 29, 2005
That, and an exploding manatee.
posted by marxchivist at 7:20 PM on December 29, 2005
--what, exactly, does SOL consider us?
my money's on beavers.
*gnaws tree, builds dam*
posted by jonmc at 7:23 PM on December 29, 2005
my money's on beavers.
*gnaws tree, builds dam*
posted by jonmc at 7:23 PM on December 29, 2005
Yeah, you have to vigorously defend yourself when sociopathic beavers start attacking you. Those fuckers are h4rdc0re.
posted by Gator at 7:25 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by Gator at 7:25 PM on December 29, 2005
solid-one-love writes "This is an unusual POV, but I don't think it's an aberrant one. I care about people I know. I don't care about people I don't know -- and don't necessarily consider them 'people'. Shrug."
Oh no, It IS an aberrant one. Completely aberrant. I know you won't trust me on this, but you should.
posted by OmieWise at 7:25 PM on December 29, 2005
Oh no, It IS an aberrant one. Completely aberrant. I know you won't trust me on this, but you should.
posted by OmieWise at 7:25 PM on December 29, 2005
solid-one-love: Smarter than you. Deal.
Again, you are talking out of your ass and can be safely ignored.
posted by quonsar at 7:26 PM on December 29, 2005
Again, you are talking out of your ass and can be safely ignored.
posted by quonsar at 7:26 PM on December 29, 2005
Why not put your energy into somewhere much more anonymous like Fark, where there are tons and tons and tons of members, and your comments might hurt someone who hardly cares?
Have you been there? I wouldn't wish Fark on my worst enemy, if I had any.
That's the kind of statement from which very bad things spring.
Perhaps. It immediately springs to mind that dehumanizing people is useful in many circumstances and horrific in others. But this is just a frickin' discussion forum. It's not like we're at war.
Justgary, I think the salient point that people are trying to make is that they are offended that I do not respect other posters because I don't consider them to be people. I think this is a red herring, since my lack of respect is not really relevant. I have said many times that I have never thrown the first punch; when someone takes a shot at me, that shows a lack of respect. Why, then, should I show respect in kind? Even if I did consider the attacker a person, they still wouldn't be worthy of respect. And any post of mine that is not responding to an attack (since I don't throw the first punch) will therefore give the appearance of respect, so whether or not I am actually respectful doesn't matter. Like sincerity once you can fake it, you've got it made.
posted by solid-one-love at 7:26 PM on December 29, 2005
Have you been there? I wouldn't wish Fark on my worst enemy, if I had any.
That's the kind of statement from which very bad things spring.
Perhaps. It immediately springs to mind that dehumanizing people is useful in many circumstances and horrific in others. But this is just a frickin' discussion forum. It's not like we're at war.
Justgary, I think the salient point that people are trying to make is that they are offended that I do not respect other posters because I don't consider them to be people. I think this is a red herring, since my lack of respect is not really relevant. I have said many times that I have never thrown the first punch; when someone takes a shot at me, that shows a lack of respect. Why, then, should I show respect in kind? Even if I did consider the attacker a person, they still wouldn't be worthy of respect. And any post of mine that is not responding to an attack (since I don't throw the first punch) will therefore give the appearance of respect, so whether or not I am actually respectful doesn't matter. Like sincerity once you can fake it, you've got it made.
posted by solid-one-love at 7:26 PM on December 29, 2005
I don't care about people I don't know -- and don't necessarily consider them "people". Shrug.
But then if that were true, you wouldn't bother calling names, like stalker, etc. And you wouldn't have taken note of their past interactions with you.
posted by amberglow at 7:27 PM on December 29, 2005
But then if that were true, you wouldn't bother calling names, like stalker, etc. And you wouldn't have taken note of their past interactions with you.
posted by amberglow at 7:27 PM on December 29, 2005
Gators vs. Beavers-the bonus track on the new Wild Man Fischer compilation.
posted by jonmc at 7:27 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by jonmc at 7:27 PM on December 29, 2005
Keep looking, quonsar. You should be able to find my blog, real name and address in no time. God knows we don't have neough stalkers here.
posted by solid-one-love at 7:27 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by solid-one-love at 7:27 PM on December 29, 2005
what, exactly, does SOL consider us?
Mere phosphor.
posted by solid-one-love at 7:29 PM on December 29, 2005
Mere phosphor.
posted by solid-one-love at 7:29 PM on December 29, 2005
I don't care about people I don't know -- and don't necessarily consider them "people". Shrug.
This may be the story you're telling yourself but your behavior belies it.
Taking the time to compose extensive and elaborate insults for someone is hardly the act of not caring or failing to see them as people: review your last few volleys on the O'Rourke thread, specifically those aimed at klangklangston and SweetJesus.
If that's how you interact with nonhuman hypotheticals, you've a lot in common with a guy I saw this morning: he was screeching at a bus stop sign while pushing a battered old shopping trolley full of clothes and aluminum cans.
posted by George_Spiggott at 7:30 PM on December 29, 2005
This may be the story you're telling yourself but your behavior belies it.
Taking the time to compose extensive and elaborate insults for someone is hardly the act of not caring or failing to see them as people: review your last few volleys on the O'Rourke thread, specifically those aimed at klangklangston and SweetJesus.
If that's how you interact with nonhuman hypotheticals, you've a lot in common with a guy I saw this morning: he was screeching at a bus stop sign while pushing a battered old shopping trolley full of clothes and aluminum cans.
posted by George_Spiggott at 7:30 PM on December 29, 2005
But then if that were true, you wouldn't bother calling names, like stalker, etc. And you wouldn't have taken note of their past interactions with you.
That doesn't follow. Explain.
posted by solid-one-love at 7:31 PM on December 29, 2005
That doesn't follow. Explain.
posted by solid-one-love at 7:31 PM on December 29, 2005
what, exactly, does SOL consider us?
Mere phosphor.
In spite of it all, I still consider you flesh and blood. What you say howevver, is pure methane.
posted by jonmc at 7:31 PM on December 29, 2005
Mere phosphor.
In spite of it all, I still consider you flesh and blood. What you say howevver, is pure methane.
posted by jonmc at 7:31 PM on December 29, 2005
Paranoid much, jonmc? Just because more than one person disagrees with you and thinks you're mental doesn't mean they're all the same person.
posted by solid-one-love at 7:33 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by solid-one-love at 7:33 PM on December 29, 2005
I have said many times that I have never thrown the first punch; when someone takes a shot at me, that shows a lack of respect. Why, then, should I show respect in kind?
Maybe if didn't respond, that would mean you are better than the first-punch-thrower? Maybe that would appeal to you. For myself, I feel like there is enough negativity around, and try not to add to it and usually can shrug or laugh it off when it is directed at me. The victor only seems to win in a punching/pissing match.
posted by marxchivist at 7:34 PM on December 29, 2005
Maybe if didn't respond, that would mean you are better than the first-punch-thrower? Maybe that would appeal to you. For myself, I feel like there is enough negativity around, and try not to add to it and usually can shrug or laugh it off when it is directed at me. The victor only seems to win in a punching/pissing match.
posted by marxchivist at 7:34 PM on December 29, 2005
Although it is weird that he lives in Vancouver....
posted by solid-one-love at 7:35 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by solid-one-love at 7:35 PM on December 29, 2005
Paranoid much, jonmc? Just because more than one person disagrees with you and thinks you're mental doesn't mean they're all the same person.
Please. After our first encounter, I went your user page and checked your blog. The name and user pages. Not to mention the vocabulary ans tone of the two usernames match up.
Quite frankly, I think this whole damned escapade is just you seeing how assholic you can act before uniting the entire community against you. Kudos on a successful experiment.
posted by jonmc at 7:36 PM on December 29, 2005
Please. After our first encounter, I went your user page and checked your blog. The name and user pages. Not to mention the vocabulary ans tone of the two usernames match up.
Quite frankly, I think this whole damned escapade is just you seeing how assholic you can act before uniting the entire community against you. Kudos on a successful experiment.
posted by jonmc at 7:36 PM on December 29, 2005
The name and user pages.
The name and locale matches up. typing too fast.
posted by jonmc at 7:37 PM on December 29, 2005
The name and locale matches up. typing too fast.
posted by jonmc at 7:37 PM on December 29, 2005
I've implied this before, but generally, when the first punch is thrown, the time for respectful debate is over. I don't know you people.
I don't think it ever began for him.
posted by Krrrlson at 7:38 PM on December 29, 2005
I don't think it ever began for him.
posted by Krrrlson at 7:38 PM on December 29, 2005
Personally I don't really mean to join the pile-on -- mainly just interested in this phenomenological dodge, which strikes me as very childish. "You can't hurt me, because you don't exist."
posted by George_Spiggott at 7:38 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by George_Spiggott at 7:38 PM on December 29, 2005
solid-one-love I kind of want to suggest that you turn the computer off and go play with real people.
But part of me thinks that you should be goaded with a pointy stick because despite a great number of 'typists' on this discussion board indicating that have been behaving like a dickwad, there appears to be no way to crack through any of your many putative delusions.
It must be a conspiracy if so many 'typists' have formed (most likely) irreconcilibly negative opinions about you and your methods but are - in one of your world delusions - nevertheless wrong. Please remove any and all flame retardent clothing.
posted by peacay at 7:40 PM on December 29, 2005
But part of me thinks that you should be goaded with a pointy stick because despite a great number of 'typists' on this discussion board indicating that have been behaving like a dickwad, there appears to be no way to crack through any of your many putative delusions.
It must be a conspiracy if so many 'typists' have formed (most likely) irreconcilibly negative opinions about you and your methods but are - in one of your world delusions - nevertheless wrong. Please remove any and all flame retardent clothing.
posted by peacay at 7:40 PM on December 29, 2005
"I'm approaching the end of my participation on MeFi, at least in the blue and grey. I paid my five bucks to answer a question in AskMe, and it's mutated into some hydra-headed continual flamefest with social fucking retards."
posted by quonsar at 7:40 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by quonsar at 7:40 PM on December 29, 2005
Maybe if didn't respond, that would mean you are better than the first-punch-thrower? Maybe that would appeal to you
I mentioned earlier in the thread that I disagree with that sentiment. I was raised to always respond with more force than is thrown at you. It has served me well. Usually.
And this is kind of a red herring, too. I have spent the vast bulk of this thread responding calmly and politely to a torrent of invective, stalking, perversity and oboxiousness the likes of which hasn't been seen here for weeks. If I respond to a flame with a flame, we get more flames. If I respond to a flame with a calm, reasoned response, we get flames. If I ignore the flame completely, we get more flames from the same person who is incensed that I didn't respond to his flame.
No matter what happens, no matter how I respond, even if I cut it off and go eat dinner, the ritualized (s)elf-abuse will continue. It is inevitable. We've seen it time and again.
Jonmc, interrobang and his ilk are not interesting in reasoned, respectful discussion. They never have been. Whether or not I consider them people is a red herring. They're just here to take long, protracted dumps wherever the can, tugging out their self-importance to levels that I could never hope to achieve in my wildest dreams, even if I dreamed that way.
posted by solid-one-love at 7:42 PM on December 29, 2005
I mentioned earlier in the thread that I disagree with that sentiment. I was raised to always respond with more force than is thrown at you. It has served me well. Usually.
And this is kind of a red herring, too. I have spent the vast bulk of this thread responding calmly and politely to a torrent of invective, stalking, perversity and oboxiousness the likes of which hasn't been seen here for weeks. If I respond to a flame with a flame, we get more flames. If I respond to a flame with a calm, reasoned response, we get flames. If I ignore the flame completely, we get more flames from the same person who is incensed that I didn't respond to his flame.
No matter what happens, no matter how I respond, even if I cut it off and go eat dinner, the ritualized (s)elf-abuse will continue. It is inevitable. We've seen it time and again.
Jonmc, interrobang and his ilk are not interesting in reasoned, respectful discussion. They never have been. Whether or not I consider them people is a red herring. They're just here to take long, protracted dumps wherever the can, tugging out their self-importance to levels that I could never hope to achieve in my wildest dreams, even if I dreamed that way.
posted by solid-one-love at 7:42 PM on December 29, 2005
Jonmc, interrobang and his ilk
*turns to interrobang*
Dude, we're an ilk! When do we get our commemorative t-shirts?
posted by jonmc at 7:43 PM on December 29, 2005
*turns to interrobang*
Dude, we're an ilk! When do we get our commemorative t-shirts?
posted by jonmc at 7:43 PM on December 29, 2005
can we speed up the flameout plz? tia.
I just made popcorn.
posted by exlotuseater at 7:44 PM on December 29, 2005
I just made popcorn.
posted by exlotuseater at 7:44 PM on December 29, 2005
Please. After our first encounter, I went your user page and checked your blog. The name and user pages. Not to mention the vocabulary ans tone of the two usernames match up.
Please, by all means, report the 'sockpuppetry' to Matt. He ain't me any more than you are interrobang. Now you're just embarrassing yourself. Well, moreso than usual.
posted by solid-one-love at 7:45 PM on December 29, 2005
Please, by all means, report the 'sockpuppetry' to Matt. He ain't me any more than you are interrobang. Now you're just embarrassing yourself. Well, moreso than usual.
posted by solid-one-love at 7:45 PM on December 29, 2005
And besides, Soylent Green is made out of people. You should be glad you're not at risk.
posted by solid-one-love at 7:46 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by solid-one-love at 7:46 PM on December 29, 2005
that was for quonsar, not you, SOL.
You've officially passed annoyance into the realm of surrealistic entertainment. Kudos, cutie pie.
posted by jonmc at 7:46 PM on December 29, 2005
You've officially passed annoyance into the realm of surrealistic entertainment. Kudos, cutie pie.
posted by jonmc at 7:46 PM on December 29, 2005
coniferous scrod. coniferous scrod. coniferous scrod.
i just like saying coniferous scrod.
posted by quonsar at 7:48 PM on December 29, 2005
i just like saying coniferous scrod.
posted by quonsar at 7:48 PM on December 29, 2005
Oh, in case anyone forgot, I would just like to congratulate jonmc on no less than 45 posts in a single thread.
posted by marxchivist at 7:54 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by marxchivist at 7:54 PM on December 29, 2005
I have spent the vast bulk of this thread responding calmly and politely to a torrent of invective, stalking, perversity and oboxiousness the likes of which hasn't been seen here for weeks
Now that is just ridiculous. Total out-of-the-box hyperbole.
People are not being that mean to you here. You have been tons meaner to us over the course of your posting. You have been mean to me in the past, for that matter.
I seriously have to say you are either ill or just goading us to see what happens. Perhaps both, who knows.
When the "crazy lady" says you are paranoid, it's time to call the pdoc.
posted by konolia at 7:57 PM on December 29, 2005
Now that is just ridiculous. Total out-of-the-box hyperbole.
People are not being that mean to you here. You have been tons meaner to us over the course of your posting. You have been mean to me in the past, for that matter.
I seriously have to say you are either ill or just goading us to see what happens. Perhaps both, who knows.
When the "crazy lady" says you are paranoid, it's time to call the pdoc.
posted by konolia at 7:57 PM on December 29, 2005
Maybe if didn't respond, that would mean you are better than the first-punch-thrower? Maybe that would appeal to you. For myself, I feel like there is enough negativity around, and try not to add to it and usually can shrug or laugh it off when it is directed at me.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAA this thread ROX!!!!
Keep him rolling, people. Just keep him rolling.
posted by scarabic at 7:57 PM on December 29, 2005
BWAHAHAHAHAHAA this thread ROX!!!!
Keep him rolling, people. Just keep him rolling.
posted by scarabic at 7:57 PM on December 29, 2005
That should be "no fewer", Marxchivist. Geez.
posted by matildaben at 7:57 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by matildaben at 7:57 PM on December 29, 2005
Four more posts, I think, and we can congratulate him on more than 45 posts in two threads. I wouldn't be averse to four one word posts, jonmc. Even "eat shit and die", directed at me would be fine, just for the symmetry.
posted by solid-one-love at 7:58 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by solid-one-love at 7:58 PM on December 29, 2005
Hey, check out my pixels! I've been working out.
posted by George_Spiggott at 7:59 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by George_Spiggott at 7:59 PM on December 29, 2005
People are not being that mean to you here.
One poster asserted that he fucked my mom in a post that has since been deleted. Let's be realistic, now; that is so beyond the pale that it towers over the entirety of everything that I have posted to MeFi, in toto.
I humbly submit that your perception is selective. I admit that mine is as well. But:
You have been tons meaner to us over the course of your posting.
I said, specifically, "this thread". You are incorrect. I will go so far as to claim factually so, and not merely in my opinion. And you really do need to take another read of Romans 2.
posted by solid-one-love at 8:02 PM on December 29, 2005
One poster asserted that he fucked my mom in a post that has since been deleted. Let's be realistic, now; that is so beyond the pale that it towers over the entirety of everything that I have posted to MeFi, in toto.
I humbly submit that your perception is selective. I admit that mine is as well. But:
You have been tons meaner to us over the course of your posting.
I said, specifically, "this thread". You are incorrect. I will go so far as to claim factually so, and not merely in my opinion. And you really do need to take another read of Romans 2.
posted by solid-one-love at 8:02 PM on December 29, 2005
That should be "no fewer", Marxchivist. Geez.
I just copied and pasted the title from this thread. I had to scroll back and remind myself how this damn thing started. Nothing do with the amount of anyone's comments in this or any other thread. I love you all, with one or two exceptions. Maybe three.
posted by marxchivist at 8:02 PM on December 29, 2005
I just copied and pasted the title from this thread. I had to scroll back and remind myself how this damn thing started. Nothing do with the amount of anyone's comments in this or any other thread. I love you all, with one or two exceptions. Maybe three.
posted by marxchivist at 8:02 PM on December 29, 2005
Let's be realistic, now; that is so beyond the pale that it towers over the entirety of everything that I have posted to MeFi, in toto.
your mom thought so too.
posted by quonsar at 8:03 PM on December 29, 2005
your mom thought so too.
posted by quonsar at 8:03 PM on December 29, 2005
Four more posts, I think, and we can congratulate him on more than 45 posts in two threads.
What're you trying to say, cupcake? That I talk too much? I knew that. I'll also cop to being a drunk, having a bad temper, and having a tendency to dive into conversations that are over my head. I'm just fumbling through life like most people and I'm perfectly comfortable admitting to that. And most other people here are, too. I've gotten into knock-down drag out brawls with matteo and dame, yet before my surgery and when my uncle died this week they sent me kind, heartfelt messages. Same with fold_and_mutilate, amberglow, interrobang, rothko, and many other people I've angrily argued with. I'll take their flawed but honest humanity over your smug sanctimony any day of the fucking week.
posted by jonmc at 8:04 PM on December 29, 2005
What're you trying to say, cupcake? That I talk too much? I knew that. I'll also cop to being a drunk, having a bad temper, and having a tendency to dive into conversations that are over my head. I'm just fumbling through life like most people and I'm perfectly comfortable admitting to that. And most other people here are, too. I've gotten into knock-down drag out brawls with matteo and dame, yet before my surgery and when my uncle died this week they sent me kind, heartfelt messages. Same with fold_and_mutilate, amberglow, interrobang, rothko, and many other people I've angrily argued with. I'll take their flawed but honest humanity over your smug sanctimony any day of the fucking week.
posted by jonmc at 8:04 PM on December 29, 2005
salmonade
posted by Joseph Gurl at 8:06 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by Joseph Gurl at 8:06 PM on December 29, 2005
sanctimony ilkshakes
posted by Joseph Gurl at 8:08 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by Joseph Gurl at 8:08 PM on December 29, 2005
What're you trying to say, cupcake? That I talk too much?
No, I'm saying that with three more posts you will have 45 posts in the original thread and the MeTa thread that was spawned from it, which is interesting and amusing and has some symmetry. Take a second pill.
posted by solid-one-love at 8:08 PM on December 29, 2005
what kind? I'm partial to vicodin. Nice, easy buzz, it gives ya.
posted by jonmc at 8:10 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by jonmc at 8:10 PM on December 29, 2005
And I guess while we're at it: you labelling me as sanctimonious blah blah ironic blah blah proving my point blah blah.
posted by solid-one-love at 8:10 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by solid-one-love at 8:10 PM on December 29, 2005
Watch out for the bone chips.
posted by solid-one-love at 8:11 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by solid-one-love at 8:11 PM on December 29, 2005
Me labeling you as sanctimonious proves that I'm a sociopath? Have fun in your hermetically sealed little world, buttercup.
posted by jonmc at 8:12 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by jonmc at 8:12 PM on December 29, 2005
SOL, first, I missed the deleted post. Second, I think on the topic of meanness the pot is calling the kettle black.
I have not been mean to you here. But I am being very direct with you. You need to step back and seriously consider what people are trying to say to you here.
More faithful are the wounds of a friend than the kisses of an enemy.
posted by konolia at 8:13 PM on December 29, 2005
I have not been mean to you here. But I am being very direct with you. You need to step back and seriously consider what people are trying to say to you here.
More faithful are the wounds of a friend than the kisses of an enemy.
posted by konolia at 8:13 PM on December 29, 2005
No, I already said you weren't a sociopath. It proves my point that no matter what I post it will get flames in response. Two more, you can do it. C'mon.
posted by solid-one-love at 8:13 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by solid-one-love at 8:13 PM on December 29, 2005
No, I already said you weren't a sociopath.
and then you backtracked and called interrobang a sociopath. Ypu flig that label around pretty wantonly.
posted by jonmc at 8:17 PM on December 29, 2005
and then you backtracked and called interrobang a sociopath. Ypu flig that label around pretty wantonly.
posted by jonmc at 8:17 PM on December 29, 2005
all in all, an interesting case of explosive sphincto-rectal deficiency.
posted by quonsar at 8:18 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by quonsar at 8:18 PM on December 29, 2005
when, exactly, is your participation [at least in the blue and grey] going to end?
just curious. 'cause you keep participating.
posted by exlotuseater at 8:19 PM on December 29, 2005
just curious. 'cause you keep participating.
posted by exlotuseater at 8:19 PM on December 29, 2005
"Pee-wee: I wouldn't sell my bike for all the money in the world. Not for a hundred million, billion, trillion dollars!posted by ericb at 8:19 PM on December 29, 2005
Francis: Then you're crazy!
Pee-wee: I know you are but what am I?
Francis: You're a nerd!
Pee-wee: I know you are but what am I?
Francis: You're an idiot!
Pee-wee: I know you are but what am I?
Pee-Wee, Francis: I know you are, but what am I? I know you are, but what am I? I know you are, but what am I? I know you are, but what am I? I know you are, but what am I?
Pee-Wee: Infinity!
Francis: No, I'm not.
Francis, Pee-Wee: You are! No way! Knock it off! Cut it out!
Francis: Shut up, Pee-Wee!
Pee-wee: Why don't you make me.
Francis: You make me!
Pee-wee: Because. I don't make monkeys, I just train 'em.
Okay, okay, I admit it - solid-one-love was my sockpuppet all along.
posted by Krrrlson at 8:22 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by Krrrlson at 8:22 PM on December 29, 2005
Exlotus: When the thread has played out, as I said. That'll happen when I cease to be entertained or when something better to do comes along, which could happen at any time. Why? Does it matter to you somehow?
posted by solid-one-love at 8:23 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by solid-one-love at 8:23 PM on December 29, 2005
No, you're my sockpuppet. Get it right. Or pareidolalalawhateverboy's sockpuppet. I get us all mixed up.
posted by solid-one-love at 8:24 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by solid-one-love at 8:24 PM on December 29, 2005
I don't have to agree with or even read everything jonmc says to get a kick out of him. I bet he'd be even more fun to get drunk with. The more jonmc the better.
Besides if he's at his keyboard arguing he can't seriously hurt himself. Except maybe his wrists and fingers.
posted by davy at 8:25 PM on December 29, 2005
Besides if he's at his keyboard arguing he can't seriously hurt himself. Except maybe his wrists and fingers.
posted by davy at 8:25 PM on December 29, 2005
solid-one-love... solid-one-love's a pimp. He never coulda outfought jonmc. But I didn't know until this day, that it was dhoyt all along.
posted by Krrrlson at 8:27 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by Krrrlson at 8:27 PM on December 29, 2005
Dhoyt sleeps with the fishes.
posted by solid-one-love at 8:33 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by solid-one-love at 8:33 PM on December 29, 2005
Well, the most important thing to learn from The Godfather is this: never pay a toll with a large bill.
posted by jonmc at 8:35 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by jonmc at 8:35 PM on December 29, 2005
Solid: so sorry. I missed where you said "when the thread gets played out."
It doesn't matter to me so much, it's just that I've run out of popcorn.
Remember, it's better to go out with a bang than a whimper.
/me looks around for accelerant.
posted by exlotuseater at 8:36 PM on December 29, 2005
It doesn't matter to me so much, it's just that I've run out of popcorn.
Remember, it's better to go out with a bang than a whimper.
/me looks around for accelerant.
posted by exlotuseater at 8:36 PM on December 29, 2005
Wow!
posted by SweetJesus at 8:40 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by SweetJesus at 8:40 PM on December 29, 2005
Uh-oh, here comes trouble. SweetJesus, how the hell you doin'? It's pretty much over, but if you want to get into it I could probably summon the energy. Call me a poo-poo head or something. Whatever you think'll work.
posted by solid-one-love at 8:43 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by solid-one-love at 8:43 PM on December 29, 2005
I dont give a shit...
posted by SweetJesus at 8:47 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by SweetJesus at 8:47 PM on December 29, 2005
I'd say that I don't, either, but I've got a few dozen posts that say otherwise. But I think I've crapped out enough in this thread for the time being.
posted by solid-one-love at 8:49 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by solid-one-love at 8:49 PM on December 29, 2005
"This thread"? "For the time being"? Damnit, we were promised a flameout.
posted by boaz at 9:22 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by boaz at 9:22 PM on December 29, 2005
When the "crazy lady" says you are paranoid, it's time to call the pdoc.
You know, I've been warming up more and more to konolia every day with comments like this.
in the meantime, can I interest anybody in a bucket of cocks?
posted by scody at 9:39 PM on December 29, 2005
You know, I've been warming up more and more to konolia every day with comments like this.
in the meantime, can I interest anybody in a bucket of cocks?
posted by scody at 9:39 PM on December 29, 2005
This thread is kinda like My Humps. So bad it's good.
posted by Tacodog at 9:55 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by Tacodog at 9:55 PM on December 29, 2005
Matt, with all due respect, since we know you're around right now (or were, anyway, given your activity in the ParisParamus MeTa thread), what did you expect to gain or accomplish by keeping this thread open? Does a particular someone need to say something particularly harsh before this becomes a crime scene? Or is this a timed cathartic release? Or a train wreck that has piqued your curiousity?
posted by SeizeTheDay at 9:57 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by SeizeTheDay at 9:57 PM on December 29, 2005
Wow, this thread is dripping with an unspoken self-diagnosis Asperger's. Don't touch the walls.
Marxchivist: This is for you.
So everyone, blame him.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:15 PM on December 29, 2005
Marxchivist: This is for you.
So everyone, blame him.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:15 PM on December 29, 2005
It's not a huge manatee, but it's the closest thing I had...
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:17 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:17 PM on December 29, 2005
so, i take it this buying everyone a coke idea wasn't so great, right?
posted by pyramid termite at 10:22 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by pyramid termite at 10:22 PM on December 29, 2005
In an effort to get this thread back on track, I'd like to address furtive's original point about the 45 comments in the original thread and point out that, from one point of view,
posted by gramschmidt at 10:27 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by gramschmidt at 10:27 PM on December 29, 2005
What're you trying to say, cupcake? That I talk too much? I knew that. I'll also cop to being a drunk, having a bad temper, and having a tendency to dive into conversations that are over my head. I'm just fumbling through life like most people and I'm perfectly comfortable admitting to that. And most other people here are, too. I've gotten into knock-down drag out brawls with matteo and dame, yet before my surgery and when my uncle died this week they sent me kind, heartfelt messages. Same with fold_and_mutilate, amberglow, interrobang, rothko, and many other people I've angrily argued with. I'll take their flawed but honest humanity over your smug sanctimony any day of the fucking week.
Jon, that's probably the nicest thing anyone's said to me here. I appreciate it and tip my hat to you for showing so much class in putting up with s-o-l.
posted by Rothko at 11:08 PM on December 29, 2005
Jon, that's probably the nicest thing anyone's said to me here. I appreciate it and tip my hat to you for showing so much class in putting up with s-o-l.
posted by Rothko at 11:08 PM on December 29, 2005
C'mon, SOL, only 7 more comments and you hit 46 and WIN THE PRIZE
posted by moonbird at 11:11 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by moonbird at 11:11 PM on December 29, 2005
moonbird, i think he probably wanted a pepsi, instead
posted by pyramid termite at 11:15 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by pyramid termite at 11:15 PM on December 29, 2005
Okay... S-O-L is obviously enjoying the attention too much now. Can we stop coaxing faux-disinterested "you are incorrect" comments out of him and get back to grinding loving noogies on jonmc?
posted by scarabic at 11:33 PM on December 29, 2005
posted by scarabic at 11:33 PM on December 29, 2005
solid-one-love: I don't really see the people here as "people"
At the risk of belaboring the obvious, that explains everything. You see, s-o-l, we really are people. Yes, even you. If youwould* could choose to act accordingly we wouldn't have threads like this one.
You might want to find another place to hang around. Say, Neopets? See, they really aren't real. Theywon't can't care how you treat them.
*Since you are a sociopath, you probably can't.
posted by deborah at 12:23 AM on December 30, 2005
At the risk of belaboring the obvious, that explains everything. You see, s-o-l, we really are people. Yes, even you. If you
You might want to find another place to hang around. Say, Neopets? See, they really aren't real. They
*Since you are a sociopath, you probably can't.
posted by deborah at 12:23 AM on December 30, 2005
That huge manatee shit is funny.
posted by maxsparber at 1:31 AM on December 30, 2005
posted by maxsparber at 1:31 AM on December 30, 2005
*sings*
maybe its because i'm a sociopath................
*motions for i-cola to play the old joanna*
posted by sgt.serenity at 2:08 AM on December 30, 2005
maybe its because i'm a sociopath................
*motions for i-cola to play the old joanna*
posted by sgt.serenity at 2:08 AM on December 30, 2005
come on people , it's time for a cockney knees up !
posted by sgt.serenity at 2:10 AM on December 30, 2005
posted by sgt.serenity at 2:10 AM on December 30, 2005
That huge manatee shit is funny.
Welcome to the internet. Your first day, is it?
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 2:17 AM on December 30, 2005
Welcome to the internet. Your first day, is it?
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 2:17 AM on December 30, 2005
I've got my beer on the sideboard here...
posted by Joeforking at 2:46 AM on December 30, 2005
posted by Joeforking at 2:46 AM on December 30, 2005
Best line here? George_Spiggot's pixels. Standing O.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 2:50 AM on December 30, 2005
posted by Kirth Gerson at 2:50 AM on December 30, 2005
So did anyone cut their own hand off? Do I have to read the whole thread or what?
posted by longbaugh at 2:53 AM on December 30, 2005
posted by longbaugh at 2:53 AM on December 30, 2005
So did anyone cut their own hand off?
Yeah, but it turns out they were only made of pixels, so it was a bit of a letdown.
posted by Joeforking at 3:37 AM on December 30, 2005
Yeah, but it turns out they were only made of pixels, so it was a bit of a letdown.
posted by Joeforking at 3:37 AM on December 30, 2005
isn't that the guy out of little britain ?
posted by sgt.serenity at 3:46 AM on December 30, 2005
posted by sgt.serenity at 3:46 AM on December 30, 2005
Dear MetaFilter;
Please forgive me if I inadvertantly opened this whole can of worms.
posted by TedW at 5:56 AM on December 30, 2005
Please forgive me if I inadvertantly opened this whole can of worms.
posted by TedW at 5:56 AM on December 30, 2005
... I think I've crapped out enough in this thread for the time being.
Thabathabathaba That's All Folks!
posted by warbaby at 6:19 AM on December 30, 2005
Thabathabathaba That's All Folks!
posted by warbaby at 6:19 AM on December 30, 2005
Jon, that's probably the nicest thing anyone's said to me here. I appreciate it and tip my hat to you for showing so much class in putting up with s-o-l.
Think nothing of it. I'd also add that you and the other aforementioned people were far fiercer brawlers and have better senses of humor, too.
posted by jonmc at 6:28 AM on December 30, 2005
Think nothing of it. I'd also add that you and the other aforementioned people were far fiercer brawlers and have better senses of humor, too.
posted by jonmc at 6:28 AM on December 30, 2005
I'm only making this comment to bump that picture off my My Comments page. Disregard.
posted by Gator at 6:37 AM on December 30, 2005
posted by Gator at 6:37 AM on December 30, 2005
Hey, Jon, sorry about your uncle, I hadn't heard. I have to second what Rothko said, you must have the patience of Ghandi to put up with some of s-o-l's foolishness.
posted by unreason at 6:39 AM on December 30, 2005
posted by unreason at 6:39 AM on December 30, 2005
unreason, I can be difficult myself, so I just see it as coming with the territory, but he's flung crap at languagehat, interrobang and others who expressly did not deserve it. and thanks for the condolences.
posted by jonmc at 6:46 AM on December 30, 2005
posted by jonmc at 6:46 AM on December 30, 2005
jon, the grandiosity isn't as pronounced as I would expect in npd. Both, however, are pretty much untreatable. The lack of empathy is consistent with either condition.
I know lack of empathy is usually associated with BPD, but I've known a couple of people with BPD who were very caring, sensitive and did display empathy for others. That doesn't mean they weren't tortured and couldn't be complete tyrants, but I saw them go out of their way to help or care for other people who they barely knew (much more than I would, and I'm not a psychopath or a narcissist...I think). Of course, you could chalk that up to their need for acceptance, but the situations I witnessed didn't seem to hold any rewards for the BPD person, and in some instances they never even saw the person that they helped ever again./armchair shrink
And guys..this pile on on S-O-L leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. In the past I've seen him make some very lucid points (and be a mensch), and also not be the most amiable character sometimes, but I think you've made your point. This is ugly.
posted by Devils Slide at 6:56 AM on December 30, 2005
I know lack of empathy is usually associated with BPD, but I've known a couple of people with BPD who were very caring, sensitive and did display empathy for others. That doesn't mean they weren't tortured and couldn't be complete tyrants, but I saw them go out of their way to help or care for other people who they barely knew (much more than I would, and I'm not a psychopath or a narcissist...I think). Of course, you could chalk that up to their need for acceptance, but the situations I witnessed didn't seem to hold any rewards for the BPD person, and in some instances they never even saw the person that they helped ever again./armchair shrink
And guys..this pile on on S-O-L leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. In the past I've seen him make some very lucid points (and be a mensch), and also not be the most amiable character sometimes, but I think you've made your point. This is ugly.
posted by Devils Slide at 6:56 AM on December 30, 2005
My eggs were cold. My bacon was too crispy but this thread made me forget all about that.
Man 'O Man.
quonsars funny.
posted by Lola_G at 6:58 AM on December 30, 2005
Man 'O Man.
quonsars funny.
posted by Lola_G at 6:58 AM on December 30, 2005
So did anyone cut their own hand off?
No. But for a second, there was one sentence that showed promise:
No matter what happens, no matter how I respond, even if I cut it off...
posted by cortex at 7:04 AM on December 30, 2005
No. But for a second, there was one sentence that showed promise:
No matter what happens, no matter how I respond, even if I cut it off...
posted by cortex at 7:04 AM on December 30, 2005
Is it so crazy not to think of everyone here as a person? When some posters are really just sockpuppets or trolls and others are manufacturing a personality just to get a reaction?
I mean, of course comments here are made by people, but sometimes the "person" talking isn't real or is so exaggerated as to be more of a caricature than a person. So treating everyone with the deference or respect that you would treat a people who weren't playing such games, while being a safe and humane default mode, may also be a little naive.
posted by onlyconnect at 8:27 AM on December 30, 2005
I mean, of course comments here are made by people, but sometimes the "person" talking isn't real or is so exaggerated as to be more of a caricature than a person. So treating everyone with the deference or respect that you would treat a people who weren't playing such games, while being a safe and humane default mode, may also be a little naive.
posted by onlyconnect at 8:27 AM on December 30, 2005
oh, Jesusth Christth
posted by found missing at 8:33 AM on December 30, 2005
posted by found missing at 8:33 AM on December 30, 2005
shitspigots.
posted by loquacious at 8:38 AM on December 30, 2005
posted by loquacious at 8:38 AM on December 30, 2005
stoolpigeons
posted by If I Had An Anus at 9:07 AM on December 30, 2005
posted by If I Had An Anus at 9:07 AM on December 30, 2005
Sorry 'bout your uncle, Jon.
posted by klangklangston at 9:54 AM on December 30, 2005
posted by klangklangston at 9:54 AM on December 30, 2005
Candle La Bra.
posted by If I Had An Anus at 10:03 AM on December 30, 2005
posted by If I Had An Anus at 10:03 AM on December 30, 2005
man o man this was both better and more disappointing then I expected. If his believes are accurately stated then I think youse guys nailed it. perhaps full blown sociopathology but definitely borderline to that. there is always some level of distancing yourself from those not immediately present, but to refuse to acknowledge that the only real people are those that you know personally is talking a philosophical standpoint to to the absurd level.
Of course this is all predicated on a few things... 1 that this whole thread wasn't just an exercise in SOL baiting everyone, and 2 THAT HE IS A REAL PERSON.
Who knows, but on face value he would make an excellent killing machine, nobody is real and you have to escalate violence.
nice
posted by edgeways at 11:50 AM on December 30, 2005
Of course this is all predicated on a few things... 1 that this whole thread wasn't just an exercise in SOL baiting everyone, and 2 THAT HE IS A REAL PERSON.
Who knows, but on face value he would make an excellent killing machine, nobody is real and you have to escalate violence.
nice
posted by edgeways at 11:50 AM on December 30, 2005
solid killing machine?
posted by stinkycheese at 12:40 PM on December 30, 2005
posted by stinkycheese at 12:40 PM on December 30, 2005
Beavers, fandango_matt, not pixels. Sociopathic beavers.
Again, just a cleansing bump for my My Comments page.
posted by Gator at 1:53 PM on December 30, 2005
Again, just a cleansing bump for my My Comments page.
posted by Gator at 1:53 PM on December 30, 2005
Great Hitler's Mushrooms, is this thread finally done?
posted by konolia at 2:14 PM on December 30, 2005
posted by konolia at 2:14 PM on December 30, 2005
This thread is closed to new comments.
posted by furtive at 10:00 AM on December 29, 2005