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Trivial point, but it irked me seeing my answer here crossed out by a later responder.
I think if you want to respond to an earlier comment it's quite sufficient to put it in italics. As an ordinary user it's not up to you to cross out (even conceptually) another user's comment.
I think if you want to respond to an earlier comment it's quite sufficient to put it in italics. As an ordinary user it's not up to you to cross out (even conceptually) another user's comment.
One solution would be to post all of your comments like this.
It's stupid to post all comments as strikethro...hey, wait a minute!
posted by maxwelton at 4:52 PM on August 24, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by maxwelton at 4:52 PM on August 24, 2008 [1 favorite]
I think when someone crosses out a previous comment they intend to indicate that they disagree with the previous comment. It's short hand for saying "I disagree with your premise that photography is not a hobby, but is an art form. I believe it is both."
posted by ericb at 4:52 PM on August 24, 2008
posted by ericb at 4:52 PM on August 24, 2008
Trivial point
Quoted for truth. No strikeout necessary.
posted by grouse at 4:54 PM on August 24, 2008
Quoted for truth. No strikeout necessary.
posted by grouse at 4:54 PM on August 24, 2008
posted by carsonb at 4:54 PM on August 24, 2008
You know what's going to happen in this thread, right?
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 4:55 PM on August 24, 2008 [4 favorites]
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 4:55 PM on August 24, 2008 [4 favorites]
Oh my God. Who just did that? They knew you were bothered by having a comment struck though, and then they struck through your comment ABOUT that. That shit was COLD, yo. If you find out who did it, let me know, because I'm going to throw a few punches in too.
posted by Astro Zombie at 4:57 PM on August 24, 2008 [2 favorites]
Trivial point, but you yourself have now increased the irk-load in the universe.
posted by found missing at 4:58 PM on August 24, 2008 [2 favorites]
posted by found missing at 4:58 PM on August 24, 2008 [2 favorites]
HTML is Short for HyperText Markup Language, the authoring language used to create documents on the World Wide Web. serious business.
posted by carsonb at 4:59 PM on August 24, 2008
posted by carsonb at 4:59 PM on August 24, 2008
I guess it was that wemayfreeze was just trying to do a FTFY type thing rather than a "You're wrong wrong wrong!!" thing. But it's still an obnoxious way to make a point, because he could have not crossed out your answer and his comment would have made just as much sense.
posted by Solon and Thanks at 4:59 PM on August 24, 2008 [3 favorites]
posted by Solon and Thanks at 4:59 PM on August 24, 2008 [3 favorites]
I think if you want to respond to an earlier comment it's quite sufficient to put it in italics.
Agreed, and FWIW, I think most people do this; I don't recall ever seeing the strikeout used in a response before, so it must be rare.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 5:01 PM on August 24, 2008 [1 favorite]
Agreed, and FWIW, I think most people do this; I don't recall ever seeing the strikeout used in a response before, so it must be rare.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 5:01 PM on August 24, 2008 [1 favorite]
Honestly, I'd love it if we just got rid of that damn tag. As if we didn't have enough snark, one-upsmanship, and ego-waving, this tag just makes the comments that much more offensive. And how often is it actually useful, really? How often does anyone NEED to use this tag?
posted by SeizeTheDay at 5:03 PM on August 24, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by SeizeTheDay at 5:03 PM on August 24, 2008 [1 favorite]
GROW A HIDE.
posted by loquacious at 5:04 PM on August 24, 2008 [12 favorites]
posted by loquacious at 5:04 PM on August 24, 2008 [12 favorites]
I would cross out this whole fucking thread if I could. All of you assholes. You're all wrong. About whatever you're talking about.
Everyone needs a hug.
posted by secret about box at 5:04 PM on August 24, 2008 [4 favorites]
posted by secret about box at 5:04 PM on August 24, 2008 [4 favorites]
I think if you want to make it clear how stupidly wrong a comment is, a strikethrough can be effective. It's especially effective on comments which espouse an opinion or belief obnoxiously or with the attitude that it's the only reasonable opinion.
posted by ten pounds of inedita at 5:05 PM on August 24, 2008 [1 favorite]
The Question:
What Is YOUR Best Photography Tip, Secret, Trick, Lesson, Technique, or Hack?
Your Answer:
Photography is not a hobby. It's an art form.
You aim for hobby, you get hobby. Aim for art.
When you claim something with such certainty, it shouldn't be such a big deal if someone comes around and denies it with subsequent certainty.
Your answer was not a tip, trick, or technique. I don't see how you can be so irked at your assertive opinion, which offered no assistance to the poster was dismissed.
posted by clearly at 5:05 PM on August 24, 2008 [18 favorites]
What Is YOUR Best Photography Tip, Secret, Trick, Lesson, Technique, or Hack?
Your Answer:
Photography is not a hobby. It's an art form.
You aim for hobby, you get hobby. Aim for art.
When you claim something with such certainty, it shouldn't be such a big deal if someone comes around and denies it with subsequent certainty.
Your answer was not a tip, trick, or technique. I don't see how you can be so irked at your assertive opinion, which offered no assistance to the poster was dismissed.
posted by clearly at 5:05 PM on August 24, 2008 [18 favorites]
I think that guy went to Hampshire.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 5:05 PM on August 24, 2008 [9 favorites]
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 5:05 PM on August 24, 2008 [9 favorites]
Yeah, I agree that's pretty tacky. But whattyagonnado? We have 70,000 users, and 100,000 questions in AskMe, so that kinda stuff is gonna happen.
posted by Fuzzy Skinner at 5:07 PM on August 24, 2008
posted by Fuzzy Skinner at 5:07 PM on August 24, 2008
GROW A HIDE TOMATO PLANT, THEY MAKE DELICIOUS THINGS.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 5:09 PM on August 24, 2008 [9 favorites]
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 5:09 PM on August 24, 2008 [9 favorites]
You seem cross, sir.
posted by jonmc at 5:11 PM on August 24, 2008 [3 favorites]
posted by jonmc at 5:11 PM on August 24, 2008 [3 favorites]
Metafilter : We're here to irk.
posted by Dave Faris at 5:12 PM on August 24, 2008
posted by Dave Faris at 5:12 PM on August 24, 2008
I agree that FTFYing is annoying and seems particularly gauche in AskMe, but I doubt it was done with any sort of malicious disrespect.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go craft a commemoration MeTa! 1 000 000 000 000 AskMe-related complaints on the Grey, woooo!
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 5:18 PM on August 24, 2008
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go craft a commemoration MeTa! 1 000 000 000 000 AskMe-related complaints on the Grey, woooo!
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 5:18 PM on August 24, 2008
I actually do think my point is a valid one for someone turning to photography. The attitude with which you take up a camera is at least as important as a crumb of technical trivia. Assuming you're only ever going to be mediocre seems like a poor place to start.
posted by zadcat at 5:22 PM on August 24, 2008
posted by zadcat at 5:22 PM on August 24, 2008
I actually do think my point is a valid one for someone turning to photography.
I think it would be better to just encourage people to pick up a camera and have fun with it, instead of imposing on them that they MUST CREATE ART. Plenty of people have developed their hobby into an art form or paying gigs. Others have kept it as a hobby and taken pleasure from that. Who cares either way, as long as they're happy and not having sex with young catholic boys?
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 5:27 PM on August 24, 2008 [1 favorite]
I think it would be better to just encourage people to pick up a camera and have fun with it, instead of imposing on them that they MUST CREATE ART. Plenty of people have developed their hobby into an art form or paying gigs. Others have kept it as a hobby and taken pleasure from that. Who cares either way, as long as they're happy and not having sex with young catholic boys?
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 5:27 PM on August 24, 2008 [1 favorite]
Yeah, this seems like something that falls as much into the realm of style as anything; for all that, I agree that it reads as obnoxious and I'd rather people didn't get in a habit of doing it over there. But I've seen very little of it, too, so we may be in pretty good shape.
I think if you want to make it clear how stupidly wrong a comment is, a strikethrough can be effective. It's especially effective on comments which espouse an opinion or belief obnoxiously or with the attitude that it's the only reasonable opinion.
Never say never, I know, but very very rarely is it going to help an AskMe to let emphatically righteous wrong-proving be the main goal of a comment. You can clearly and civilly state that someone is wrong, and why, without pushing any emotional buttons with snarky typography.
posted by cortex (staff) at 5:31 PM on August 24, 2008 [1 favorite]
I think if you want to make it clear how stupidly wrong a comment is, a strikethrough can be effective. It's especially effective on comments which espouse an opinion or belief obnoxiously or with the attitude that it's the only reasonable opinion.
Never say never, I know, but very very rarely is it going to help an AskMe to let emphatically righteous wrong-proving be the main goal of a comment. You can clearly and civilly state that someone is wrong, and why, without pushing any emotional buttons with snarky typography.
posted by cortex (staff) at 5:31 PM on August 24, 2008 [1 favorite]
This is just one of the tricks in the Metafilter magic hat of effete dickishness. Keep your eyes peeled, they're everywhere, and they come in many forms.
posted by The Straightener at 5:32 PM on August 24, 2008 [5 favorites]
posted by The Straightener at 5:32 PM on August 24, 2008 [5 favorites]
Someone went to art school...
posted by Loto at 5:33 PM on August 24, 2008 [3 favorites]
posted by Loto at 5:33 PM on August 24, 2008 [3 favorites]
How old are you people? What have you done with yourselves?
You--- You must be almost 30, have you ever kissed a girl?
I didn't think so. There's a whole world out there. When I was your age, I didn't watch television, I lived. So move out of your parent's basements, and get your own apartments, and grow up.
posted by mds35 at 5:33 PM on August 24, 2008 [2 favorites]
You--- You must be almost 30, have you ever kissed a girl?
I didn't think so. There's a whole world out there. When I was your age, I didn't watch television, I lived. So move out of your parent's basements, and get your own apartments, and grow up.
posted by mds35 at 5:33 PM on August 24, 2008 [2 favorites]
When I was your age, I didn't watch television, I lived battled the mighty Tyrannosaurus Rex.
posted by cortex (staff) at 5:37 PM on August 24, 2008 [5 favorites]
posted by cortex (staff) at 5:37 PM on August 24, 2008 [5 favorites]
Plenty of people have developed their hobby into an art form
I've tried really hard, but I haven't managed to turn drinking and looking at porn into an art.
posted by jonmc at 5:42 PM on August 24, 2008 [7 favorites]
I've tried really hard, but I haven't managed to turn drinking and looking at porn into an art.
posted by jonmc at 5:42 PM on August 24, 2008 [7 favorites]
Someone went to art school...
Nice snipe. I've never been near an art school.
posted by zadcat at 5:45 PM on August 24, 2008
Nice snipe. I've never been near an art school.
posted by zadcat at 5:45 PM on August 24, 2008
I've tried really hard, but I haven't managed to turn drinking and looking at porn into an art.
You didn't want it enough.
posted by Astro Zombie at 5:49 PM on August 24, 2008 [3 favorites]
You didn't want it enough.
posted by Astro Zombie at 5:49 PM on August 24, 2008 [3 favorites]
I haven't managed to turn drinking and looking at porn into an art.
I dunno- if anyone could turn drinking into an art, it would be you.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 5:55 PM on August 24, 2008 [1 favorite]
I dunno- if anyone could turn drinking into an art, it would be you.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 5:55 PM on August 24, 2008 [1 favorite]
Nice snipe. I've never been near an art school.
Ahhh. Now I get it.
posted by Floydd at 6:05 PM on August 24, 2008 [1 favorite]
Ahhh. Now I get it.
posted by Floydd at 6:05 PM on August 24, 2008 [1 favorite]
Nice snipe. I've never been near an art school.
Congratulations on developing all that pretension on your own
As an ordinary user it's not up to you to cross out (even conceptually) another user's comment.
Who the fuck are you to tell someone what they are allowed to do "conceptually"?
Oh, right, the person who thinks it's up to them to tell someone it's not okay to do photography as a hobby.
posted by nanojath at 6:11 PM on August 24, 2008 [3 favorites]
Congratulations on developing all that pretension on your own
As an ordinary user it's not up to you to cross out (even conceptually) another user's comment.
Who the fuck are you to tell someone what they are allowed to do "conceptually"?
Oh, right, the person who thinks it's up to them to tell someone it's not okay to do photography as a hobby.
posted by nanojath at 6:11 PM on August 24, 2008 [3 favorites]
I ain't never been to art school
But I kind of like Ask Mefi
They say the strikethroughs are too cruel there
When the MeFi users reply
When the MeFi users reply
They often deny
The answers that I supply.
* * *
Yes, Smackfu, this one is a song parody.
posted by Astro Zombie at 6:13 PM on August 24, 2008 [1 favorite]
But I kind of like Ask Mefi
They say the strikethroughs are too cruel there
When the MeFi users reply
When the MeFi users reply
They often deny
The answers that I supply.
* * *
Yes, Smackfu, this one is a song parody.
posted by Astro Zombie at 6:13 PM on August 24, 2008 [1 favorite]
For what its worth, my mom doesn't even have a basement.
posted by Sailormom at 6:16 PM on August 24, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by Sailormom at 6:16 PM on August 24, 2008 [1 favorite]
She's got a hell of a downstairs though.
Don't bother; I'll punch myself in the face.
Ow.
posted by Astro Zombie at 6:18 PM on August 24, 2008 [19 favorites]
Don't bother; I'll punch myself in the face.
Ow.
posted by Astro Zombie at 6:18 PM on August 24, 2008 [19 favorites]
The other users are ruining my enjoyment of the site. Would it be possible to delete some?
posted by Eideteker at 6:23 PM on August 24, 2008 [2 favorites]
posted by Eideteker at 6:23 PM on August 24, 2008 [2 favorites]
have you ever kissed a girl?
Speaking of trivial points, that particular heteronormative phrase of nerd-antipathy really sticks in my craw.
posted by CKmtl at 6:23 PM on August 24, 2008 [6 favorites]
Speaking of trivial points, that particular heteronormative phrase of nerd-antipathy really sticks in my craw.
posted by CKmtl at 6:23 PM on August 24, 2008 [6 favorites]
Guy goes to the doctor and says "Doc, I've got a problem! One day I feel like I'm a teepee, the next day I fee like I'm a wigwam. Teepee! Wigwam! Teepee! Wigwam!"
The Doctor says, "Relax! You're two tents!"
posted by horsemuth at 6:25 PM on August 24, 2008 [5 favorites]
The Doctor says, "Relax! You're two tents!"
posted by horsemuth at 6:25 PM on August 24, 2008 [5 favorites]
Speaking of trivial points, that particular heteronormative phrase of nerd-antipathy really sticks in my craw.
As well as being horrendously inaccurate. You think the Olympics are just one giant orgy? Try going to a Sci Fi convention or working at a Ran Faire. It's like watching a documentary about Bonobo chimps!
posted by Astro Zombie at 6:26 PM on August 24, 2008 [3 favorites]
As well as being horrendously inaccurate. You think the Olympics are just one giant orgy? Try going to a Sci Fi convention or working at a Ran Faire. It's like watching a documentary about Bonobo chimps!
posted by Astro Zombie at 6:26 PM on August 24, 2008 [3 favorites]
Ren Fair, rather. Ar Ran fairs, you dress like a samurai and act of Shakespeare.
posted by Astro Zombie at 6:27 PM on August 24, 2008
posted by Astro Zombie at 6:27 PM on August 24, 2008
I apologize for my post in the referenced thread and for what I have said here.
posted by zadcat at 6:29 PM on August 24, 2008
posted by zadcat at 6:29 PM on August 24, 2008
God damn it, photography is a craft! Why wasn't that a double strikethrough?
posted by Quinbus Flestrin at 6:32 PM on August 24, 2008
posted by Quinbus Flestrin at 6:32 PM on August 24, 2008
CKmtl writes "Speaking of trivial points, that particular heteronormative phrase of nerd-antipathy really sticks in my craw."
Well you're assuming mds35 doesn't think they are directing their comment at a girl.
posted by Mitheral at 6:32 PM on August 24, 2008
Well you're assuming mds35 doesn't think they are directing their comment at a girl.
posted by Mitheral at 6:32 PM on August 24, 2008
"Well, I aim for quail and I get Harry. Art must have ducked."
-- Dick Cheney
posted by pyramid termite at 6:33 PM on August 24, 2008 [1 favorite]
-- Dick Cheney
posted by pyramid termite at 6:33 PM on August 24, 2008 [1 favorite]
You know who else didn't go to art school?
posted by Loto at 6:42 PM on August 24, 2008 [5 favorites]
posted by Loto at 6:42 PM on August 24, 2008 [5 favorites]
I actually do think my point is a valid one for someone turning to photography. The attitude with which you take up a camera is at least as important as a crumb of technical trivia. Assuming you're only ever going to be mediocre seems like a poor place to start.
Sure, its a valid point, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with the question. The asker asked for tips, tricks, or hacks. Twice. Look, I'll quote it from the question:
I want to know YOUR PERSONAL greatest photography tip, secret, trick, or hack.
I don't think he could have been any clearer than that. But you decided to respond with a pithy but vague opinion that photography should be an art form rather than a hobby. Here are the problems with that answer:
(1) It does not actually answer the original question, as phrased the first time.
(2) It does not actually answer the original question, as phrased the second time.
(3) It assumes that the asker said that he was taking photography up as a hobby, and disabuses him of that notion. But he didn't mention it being a hobby at all.
(4) You assumed that the asker assumed they were going to be mediocre, when they did nothing of the sort.
(5) Most importantly: It doesn't actually help the asker in any substantive way. Seriously. Did you think that he would read your answer, a beam of light would shoot down from the sky, angels would sing, and with a beatific smile spreading across his face he would say "Ahhhh.....Now I see. Its an art..." Because that is really the only mechanism by which it could have.
Now there is nothing wrong with answering a question out of left field - sometimes that produces great answers. But then you have to be specific. For example, you might have said "Think of every photograph you take as a little work of art. So when you start out, don't get too wrapped up in the technical details, try being creative. Overexpose. Shoot from odd angles. Shoot something upside down. Take a bunch of self-portraits for no reason. Don't think of it as a hobby you're learning, but a creative process that you are engaging in from the beginning." Or something like that.
But you didn't do that. Instead, you left a brief, cryptic little epigram that was pretty much useless. And then you have the temerity to start a thread in MetaTalk complaining when someone else disagreed with you (and lets drop the pretense here: you're upset not because someone used fancy html, you're upset because someone disagreed with you).
But you see, the problem here is not html, nor is it that someone rather crudely disagreed with you. The problem is that your original answer was just a vague aphorism, rather than a solid answer - which is why it was called out in the first place.
posted by googly at 6:48 PM on August 24, 2008 [7 favorites]
Sure, its a valid point, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with the question. The asker asked for tips, tricks, or hacks. Twice. Look, I'll quote it from the question:
I want to know YOUR PERSONAL greatest photography tip, secret, trick, or hack.
I don't think he could have been any clearer than that. But you decided to respond with a pithy but vague opinion that photography should be an art form rather than a hobby. Here are the problems with that answer:
(1) It does not actually answer the original question, as phrased the first time.
(2) It does not actually answer the original question, as phrased the second time.
(3) It assumes that the asker said that he was taking photography up as a hobby, and disabuses him of that notion. But he didn't mention it being a hobby at all.
(4) You assumed that the asker assumed they were going to be mediocre, when they did nothing of the sort.
(5) Most importantly: It doesn't actually help the asker in any substantive way. Seriously. Did you think that he would read your answer, a beam of light would shoot down from the sky, angels would sing, and with a beatific smile spreading across his face he would say "Ahhhh.....Now I see. Its an art..." Because that is really the only mechanism by which it could have.
Now there is nothing wrong with answering a question out of left field - sometimes that produces great answers. But then you have to be specific. For example, you might have said "Think of every photograph you take as a little work of art. So when you start out, don't get too wrapped up in the technical details, try being creative. Overexpose. Shoot from odd angles. Shoot something upside down. Take a bunch of self-portraits for no reason. Don't think of it as a hobby you're learning, but a creative process that you are engaging in from the beginning." Or something like that.
But you didn't do that. Instead, you left a brief, cryptic little epigram that was pretty much useless. And then you have the temerity to start a thread in MetaTalk complaining when someone else disagreed with you (and lets drop the pretense here: you're upset not because someone used fancy html, you're upset because someone disagreed with you).
But you see, the problem here is not html, nor is it that someone rather crudely disagreed with you. The problem is that your original answer was just a vague aphorism, rather than a solid answer - which is why it was called out in the first place.
posted by googly at 6:48 PM on August 24, 2008 [7 favorites]
Once again: I was thoroughly wrong on every count, and I apologize.
posted by zadcat at 6:53 PM on August 24, 2008 [3 favorites]
posted by zadcat at 6:53 PM on August 24, 2008 [3 favorites]
Man up, nancy.
posted by An Infinity Of Monkeys at 6:54 PM on August 24, 2008
posted by An Infinity Of Monkeys at 6:54 PM on August 24, 2008
Well you're assuming mds35 doesn't think they are directing their comment at a girl.
Not really. It's addressed to "you people", and features the plurals "basements" and "apartments". Assuming that he was addressing it solely to the females in this thread would make no sense.
Anyway, it's not this particular instance of the phrase that bugs me. It's the clichéd usage of it. The whole schmaltzy "Kiss a girl, man! Live, for the love of god, LIVE!" thing is usually directed at guys.
posted by CKmtl at 6:55 PM on August 24, 2008
Not really. It's addressed to "you people", and features the plurals "basements" and "apartments". Assuming that he was addressing it solely to the females in this thread would make no sense.
Anyway, it's not this particular instance of the phrase that bugs me. It's the clichéd usage of it. The whole schmaltzy "Kiss a girl, man! Live, for the love of god, LIVE!" thing is usually directed at guys.
posted by CKmtl at 6:55 PM on August 24, 2008
Assuming you're only ever going to be mediocre seems like a poor place to start.
i'm a hobbyist and i'm fantastic. besides, if i had a nickel for every crap-producing wanker who called him/her-self an "artist" i'd have a lot of nickels.
posted by klanawa at 6:55 PM on August 24, 2008 [3 favorites]
i'm a hobbyist and i'm fantastic. besides, if i had a nickel for every crap-producing wanker who called him/her-self an "artist" i'd have a lot of nickels.
posted by klanawa at 6:55 PM on August 24, 2008 [3 favorites]
or nance up, Manny.
whatever floats your boat.
posted by jonmc at 6:56 PM on August 24, 2008 [1 favorite]
whatever floats your boat.
posted by jonmc at 6:56 PM on August 24, 2008 [1 favorite]
Oops. Didn't see your apology before posting. Sorry 'bout that - didn't mean to pile-on.
posted by googly at 6:57 PM on August 24, 2008
posted by googly at 6:57 PM on August 24, 2008
I apologize for my post in the referenced thread and for what I have said here.
It's not just anyone who apologize on the internet, so kudos to you for doing so. Keychains for everyone!
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:19 PM on August 24, 2008
It's not just anyone who apologize on the internet, so kudos to you for doing so. Keychains for everyone!
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:19 PM on August 24, 2008
posted by TheOnlyCoolTim at 7:21 PM on August 24, 2008 [2 favorites]
I've tried really hard, but I haven't managed to turn drinking and looking at porn into an art.
Just because no one else can see it doesn't mean it's not art.
*logs off MeFi to practice more art*
posted by BitterOldPunk at 7:24 PM on August 24, 2008
Just because no one else can see it doesn't mean it's not art.
*logs off MeFi to practice more art*
posted by BitterOldPunk at 7:24 PM on August 24, 2008
Sheesh. I know the poster is a chick. The lines were paraphrased (more phrase than para) from Shatner's "get a life' speech on SNL.
posted by mds35 at 8:03 PM on August 24, 2008
posted by mds35 at 8:03 PM on August 24, 2008
I have sooo much respect for women that there are no feminine disses in my repertoire. I must rely on masculine or gender neuter invectives and taunts.
posted by mds35 at 8:10 PM on August 24, 2008
posted by mds35 at 8:10 PM on August 24, 2008
Now that the apology is out of the way, can we start a discussion about how stupid it is to link to every letter in every word of an FPP? Man, I hate that.
posted by KokuRyu at 8:27 PM on August 24, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by KokuRyu at 8:27 PM on August 24, 2008 [1 favorite]
Now that the apology is out of the way, can we start a discussion about how stupid it is to link to every letter in every word of an FPP constantly elevate every last thing into an 'art'? Man, I hate that.
And it's usually done just in order to flatter consumers into thinking that their discerning taste in buying shit is so fucking wonderful that they aren't just people buying shit any more, but ARTISTS.
The art of fine dining! The art of relaxation! The art of coffee! The art of watching the fucking television! The art of scratching your balls & blowing off occasionally!
JUST FUCKING STOP IT ALREADY!!!
/pet hate
posted by UbuRoivas at 8:48 PM on August 24, 2008 [3 favorites]
And it's usually done just in order to flatter consumers into thinking that their discerning taste in buying shit is so fucking wonderful that they aren't just people buying shit any more, but ARTISTS.
The art of fine dining! The art of relaxation! The art of coffee! The art of watching the fucking television! The art of scratching your balls & blowing off occasionally!
JUST FUCKING STOP IT ALREADY!!!
/pet hate
posted by UbuRoivas at 8:48 PM on August 24, 2008 [3 favorites]
Guy goes to the doctor and says "Doc, I've got a problem! One day I feel like I'm a teepee, the next day I fee like I'm a wigwam. Teepee! Wigwam! Teepee! Wigwam!"
The Doctor says, "Relax! You're two tents!"
I honestly heard someone tell this very joke at a party this evening.
posted by felix betachat at 8:50 PM on August 24, 2008
The Doctor says, "Relax! You're two tents!"
I honestly heard someone tell this very joke at a party this evening.
posted by felix betachat at 8:50 PM on August 24, 2008
I've tried really hard, but I haven't managed to turn drinking and looking at porn into an art.
You're just not trying hard enough
Disclaimer: I'm kidding of course. I've been figuring drawing since I was 12,and I would never seriously insinuate that there's anything pornographic about it. But they DO have a bar.
posted by billyfleetwood at 9:00 PM on August 24, 2008
You're just not trying hard enough
Disclaimer: I'm kidding of course. I've been figuring drawing since I was 12,and I would never seriously insinuate that there's anything pornographic about it. But they DO have a bar.
posted by billyfleetwood at 9:00 PM on August 24, 2008
It irked me when I got back to the building and all the smoked salmon baguettes had gone. Bastards.
Hmmm... perhaps I haven't perfected the art of ranting
posted by pompomtom at 9:24 PM on August 24, 2008
Hmmm... perhaps I haven't perfected the art of ranting
posted by pompomtom at 9:24 PM on August 24, 2008
Striking through quotations (sometimes with a "fixed that for you") is intended to annoy. It's supposed to be a grating way of disagreeing with someone.
posted by Mr. President Dr. Steve Elvis America at 10:53 PM on August 24, 2008
posted by Mr. President Dr. Steve Elvis America at 10:53 PM on August 24, 2008
Speaking of trivial points, that particular heteronormative phrase of nerd-antipathy really sticks in my craw.
It's just not quite as funny to snipe at someone with, "Have you ever engaged in an osculative act; after receiving explicit permission witnessed by a group of three recognized, registered witnesses; one from each recognized gender group; from a designated potential partner, with the appropriate apologetic paperwork submitted; with consent defined as the act of willingly and verbally agreeing to engage in the specific, sexual, heteronormative conduct?"
It just ... (snaps fingers) ... it just doesn't flow off the tongue, you know?
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 10:58 PM on August 24, 2008 [1 favorite]
It's just not quite as funny to snipe at someone with, "Have you ever engaged in an osculative act; after receiving explicit permission witnessed by a group of three recognized, registered witnesses; one from each recognized gender group; from a designated potential partner, with the appropriate apologetic paperwork submitted; with consent defined as the act of willingly and verbally agreeing to engage in the specific, sexual, heteronormative conduct?"
It just ... (snaps fingers) ... it just doesn't flow off the tongue, you know?
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 10:58 PM on August 24, 2008 [1 favorite]
After a little more thought, by applying proofreading marks in the context of a substantive discussion, striking through a quotation reduces the opponent's position to the same status as a mere typographical error--a mistake so trivial and obvious that correcting it requires no explanation.
It's a very contemptuous way of arguing.
posted by Mr. President Dr. Steve Elvis America at 11:02 PM on August 24, 2008 [1 favorite]
It's a very contemptuous way of arguing.
posted by Mr. President Dr. Steve Elvis America at 11:02 PM on August 24, 2008 [1 favorite]
Non-heteronormative version: You've never even gotten to first base, have you?
posted by Pronoiac at 11:09 PM on August 24, 2008
posted by Pronoiac at 11:09 PM on August 24, 2008
Lumping all of the community together to be represented by one view (usually with a strawman that represents no one) is intended to annoy. It's supposed to be a grating way of trolling the site.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 11:21 PM on August 24, 2008
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 11:21 PM on August 24, 2008
It's a very contemptuous way of arguing.
Fixed that for you.
posted by Astro Zombie at 12:10 AM on August 25, 2008 [1 favorite]
Fixed that for you.
Fixed that for you.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 12:23 AM on August 25, 2008 [2 favorites]
Fixed that for you.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 12:23 AM on August 25, 2008 [2 favorites]
wemayfreeze is a personal friend of mine, and I will say that in real life he rarely strikes out.
posted by ORthey at 12:25 AM on August 25, 2008
posted by ORthey at 12:25 AM on August 25, 2008
,s>fancy html /s>
Hey, if I can do it, it's not fancy.
Ah, crap.
posted by louche mustachio at 2:09 AM on August 25, 2008 [1 favorite]
Hey, if I can do it, it's not fancy.
Ah, crap.
posted by louche mustachio at 2:09 AM on August 25, 2008 [1 favorite]
That guy hella went to Hampshire.
posted by wemayfreeze at 3:31 AM on August 25, 2008
Also, apologies for the slight slight. I was trying to trump the tone of the original which wasn't the most useful approach.
posted by wemayfreeze at 3:35 AM on August 25, 2008
posted by wemayfreeze at 3:35 AM on August 25, 2008
Honestly, I'd love it if we just got rid of that damn tag. As if wWe didon't have enough snark, one-upsmanship, and ego-waving, so this tag just makes the comments that much more offenstive. And how often is it is actually useful, -- really?! How often does anyone NEED to NOT use this tag?
FTFY.
posted by pardonyou? at 7:21 AM on August 25, 2008
FTFY.
posted by pardonyou? at 7:21 AM on August 25, 2008
Honestly, there have been times when I've felt pretty stung by responses to stuff I've posted online, here included. My late-nineties internet crush Seanbaby has helped me keep things in perspective:
posted by Metroid Baby at 7:43 AM on August 25, 2008 [5 favorites]
Internet forums bring out the worst of humanity: stupid irrational egomaniacs telling each other how much they hate everything. Getting bothered by it is like reading "FUCK YOU" on a bathroom wall and saying, "Fuck ME!? H-how DARE they!!"Although I consider very few of you to be stupid irrational egomaniacs, at the end of the day most of us might as well be writing on the same bathroom wall. The vast majority of MeFites are not people I know personally, so there's not much reason for me to take any vitriol personally.
posted by Metroid Baby at 7:43 AM on August 25, 2008 [5 favorites]
cortex : without pushing any emotional buttons with snarky typography.
Your kerning is punk as fuck, but your diacritic is so effete that it's barely distinguishable from a damn serif.
"Snarky Typography" would be a great name for something, though I'm not sure what exactly.
posted by quin at 7:57 AM on August 25, 2008 [3 favorites]
Your kerning is punk as fuck, but your diacritic is so effete that it's barely distinguishable from a damn serif.
"Snarky Typography" would be a great name for something, though I'm not sure what exactly.
posted by quin at 7:57 AM on August 25, 2008 [3 favorites]
Non-heteronormative version: You've never even gotten to first base, have you?
That ain't cricket.
posted by stet at 8:21 AM on August 25, 2008
That ain't cricket.
posted by stet at 8:21 AM on August 25, 2008
This is just one of the tricks in the Metafilter magic hat of effete dickishness. Keep your eyes peeled, they're everywhere, and they come in many forms.
Oh, indeed. One such form is saying something unbelievably pretentious, dismissive and unhelpful in AskMe and then complaining when someone quite rightly points it out without further derailing the thread.
posted by kosem at 8:25 AM on August 25, 2008
Oh, indeed. One such form is saying something unbelievably pretentious, dismissive and unhelpful in AskMe and then complaining when someone quite rightly points it out without further derailing the thread.
posted by kosem at 8:25 AM on August 25, 2008
Your kerning is punk as fuck, but your diacritic is so effete that it's barely distinguishable from a damn serif.
Your overreliance on ligature is obviously an attempt to compensate for your undersized descender.
posted by cortex (staff) at 8:28 AM on August 25, 2008 [4 favorites]
Your overreliance on ligature is obviously an attempt to compensate for your undersized descender.
posted by cortex (staff) at 8:28 AM on August 25, 2008 [4 favorites]
Christ, what an asshole.
posted by fiercecupcake at 8:34 AM on August 25, 2008
posted by fiercecupcake at 8:34 AM on August 25, 2008
I don't know what else I can do beyond apologizing again here. I was wrong, first by expressing a gratuitous, hopelessly pretentious opinion, and then by expressing irritation at the entirely justified dismissal of my opinion. I was wrong, wrong, wrong, and I am sorry.
Can we close this thread now? I don't know what else I can say.
posted by zadcat at 8:46 AM on August 25, 2008
Can we close this thread now? I don't know what else I can say.
posted by zadcat at 8:46 AM on August 25, 2008
Sorry, zadcat, I didn't read the thread closely, and didn't see your apology. Dick move on my part, which is particularly bad as I was commenting on MeFi etiquette. Good on you for apologizing. Bad on me for posting distracted and piling on you long after you said you were sorry.
posted by kosem at 8:55 AM on August 25, 2008
posted by kosem at 8:55 AM on August 25, 2008
Oh, there he goes again. Not everything is about YOU, WCityMike.
I keed.
posted by Astro Zombie at 9:03 AM on August 25, 2008
I keed.
posted by Astro Zombie at 9:03 AM on August 25, 2008
zadcat: It's thread drift. It's not about you now, mostly.
posted by Pronoiac at 9:05 AM on August 25, 2008
posted by Pronoiac at 9:05 AM on August 25, 2008
zadcat: It's thread drift. It's not about you now, mostly.
Yes, there is an indefinite period of time in which you must feel shame. Kind of like a shame penalty box. Except there's no water bottle with which to quench your thirst. Just the warm saltiness of your own tears.
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 9:23 AM on August 25, 2008 [1 favorite]
Yes, there is an indefinite period of time in which you must feel shame. Kind of like a shame penalty box. Except there's no water bottle with which to quench your thirst. Just the warm saltiness of your own tears.
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 9:23 AM on August 25, 2008 [1 favorite]
I feel compelled to point out that zadcat is a typesetter.
Typesetter have more visceral reactions to type than other people.
Take it from me, never, ever mess with a typesetter's font, your coccyx may never be rigid again.
posted by Kattullus at 9:38 AM on August 25, 2008
Typesetter have more visceral reactions to type than other people.
Take it from me, never, ever mess with a typesetter's font, your coccyx may never be rigid again.
posted by Kattullus at 9:38 AM on August 25, 2008
Take it from me, never, ever mess with a typesetter's font, your coccyx may never be rigid again.
posted by ryanrs at 9:43 AM on August 25, 2008
posted by ryanrs at 9:43 AM on August 25, 2008
have you ever kissed a girl?
Please don't judge; I'm saving myself for marriage.
posted by found missing at 9:46 AM on August 25, 2008
Please don't judge; I'm saving myself for marriage.
posted by found missing at 9:46 AM on August 25, 2008
Typesetter have more visceral reactions to type than other people.
This has fuck-all do with type and everything to do with somebody else melting a snowflake
posted by bonaldi at 10:20 AM on August 25, 2008
This has fuck-all do with type and everything to do with somebody else melting a snowflake
posted by bonaldi at 10:20 AM on August 25, 2008
melting a snowflake
The term of art is 'asterisk'.
posted by cortex (staff) at 10:25 AM on August 25, 2008 [1 favorite]
The term of art is 'asterisk'.
posted by cortex (staff) at 10:25 AM on August 25, 2008 [1 favorite]
✻ ✳ ❉ ❅ ✼ ❆ ✽ ❉ ✱ ✲ ❄ ❅ ✼ ✱✽ ❆ ❄ ✲
posted by ryanrs at 10:58 AM on August 25, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by ryanrs at 10:58 AM on August 25, 2008 [1 favorite]
So we shoudl get to pick one from a dropdown and "user" is replaced by that?
posted by Artw at 11:03 AM on August 25, 2008
posted by Artw at 11:03 AM on August 25, 2008
Man, this thread is just about the worst I've ever seen from MetaFilter. Zadcat's original answer was a very good one for any photographer who wants their images to be more 'art' than 'snapshot'. I didn't find it pretentious at all. I also have a general hate for AskMe answers that address a previous answer more than they address the question, which is exactly what wemayfreeze's response did.
The pile-on of insults and "suck it up" responses in this thread, as well as the resulting unnecessary apologies for a perfectly valid AskMe answer are just sad.
posted by rocket88 at 11:11 AM on August 25, 2008 [2 favorites]
The pile-on of insults and "suck it up" responses in this thread, as well as the resulting unnecessary apologies for a perfectly valid AskMe answer are just sad.
posted by rocket88 at 11:11 AM on August 25, 2008 [2 favorites]
Ths s jst n f th trcks n th Mtfltr mgc ht f fft dckshnss. Kp yr ys pld, thy'r rywhr, nd thy cm n mny frms.
Hah! Disemvoweled!
posted by jefeweiss at 11:13 AM on August 25, 2008
Hah! Disemvoweled!
posted by jefeweiss at 11:13 AM on August 25, 2008
kriss-krossing-out your comments will make you:
JUMP JUMP.
(that is all).
posted by blue_beetle at 11:28 AM on August 25, 2008
JUMP JUMP.
(that is all).
posted by blue_beetle at 11:28 AM on August 25, 2008
You people are all ridiculous. Your time-tested, traditional methods of relating to other users members is shitty.
Sorry, late to the thread, no internet access at work, etcetc
posted by nevercalm at 2:53 PM on August 25, 2008
Sorry, late to the thread, no internet access at work, etcetc
posted by nevercalm at 2:53 PM on August 25, 2008
You people are all ridiculous. Your time-tested, traditional methods of relating to other users members is are shitty.
FTFY.
posted by Pronoiac at 3:21 PM on August 25, 2008
FTFY.
posted by Pronoiac at 3:21 PM on August 25, 2008
I think this is the first time I've ever seen someone apologize 3 times in Metatalk, and with (or so I read) elegant sincerity. Kudos, zadcat.
posted by Tehanu at 3:52 PM on August 25, 2008
posted by Tehanu at 3:52 PM on August 25, 2008
Who is this "zadcat" and why does he keep apologizing?
Other than that, this thread is great!
Metafilter:Trivial point, but it irked me...
posted by lothar at 4:21 PM on August 25, 2008
Other than that, this thread is great!
Metafilter:
posted by lothar at 4:21 PM on August 25, 2008
I wonder what metafilter would be like if there were only posts and no comments. Sure there be some loss, but then... the gain is may be worth it.
posted by every_one_needs_a_hug_sometimes at 4:23 PM on August 25, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by every_one_needs_a_hug_sometimes at 4:23 PM on August 25, 2008 [1 favorite]
Like, ungrammaticalness.
posted by every_one_needs_a_hug_sometimes at 4:24 PM on August 25, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by every_one_needs_a_hug_sometimes at 4:24 PM on August 25, 2008 [1 favorite]
What if tehre were only comments and no posts? What then?
posted by Artw at 4:26 PM on August 25, 2008
posted by Artw at 4:26 PM on August 25, 2008
The chans get to use images.
posted by TheOnlyCoolTim at 5:11 PM on August 25, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by TheOnlyCoolTim at 5:11 PM on August 25, 2008 [1 favorite]
I for one hate the fact that few people quote someone in a comment but don't tell who the quote was from or where it was located. Come on people, let's get with the program:
zadcat complained:Trivial point, but it irked me seeing my answer here crossed out by a later responder.
posted by JJ86 at 10:57 AM on August 26, 2008
zadcat complained:
posted by JJ86 at 10:57 AM on August 26, 2008
I for one hate the fact that few people quote someone in a comment but don't tell who the quote was from or where it was located.
I use Ctrl-F.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 11:26 AM on August 26, 2008
I use Ctrl-F.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 11:26 AM on August 26, 2008
I have that nearsighted/farsighted problem with the term top-posting.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 11:26 AM on August 26, 2008
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 11:26 AM on August 26, 2008
I for one hate the fact that few people quote someone in a comment but don't tell who the quote was from or where it was located.
You should already know that information. Read comments top to bottom.
posted by TheOnlyCoolTim at 11:44 AM on August 26, 2008
You should already know that information. Read comments top to bottom.
posted by TheOnlyCoolTim at 11:44 AM on August 26, 2008
You know what's going to happen in this thread, right?
It pretty much did.
posted by Astro Zombie at 11:52 AM on August 26, 2008
It pretty much did.
posted by Astro Zombie at 11:52 AM on August 26, 2008
TheOnlyCoolTim said: You should already know that information. Read comments top to bottom.
That's fine on threads with only a few dozen comments. Not too practical for every other thread. If someone takes the time to quote a comment, do it right. MeFi would suck without hyperlinks. Or should we always assume any reader of a thread already knows how to use Google to find a link and get rid of hyperlinks altogether?
posted by JJ86 at 12:07 PM on August 26, 2008
That's fine on threads with only a few dozen comments. Not too practical for every other thread. If someone takes the time to quote a comment, do it right. MeFi would suck without hyperlinks. Or should we always assume any reader of a thread already knows how to use Google to find a link and get rid of hyperlinks altogether?
posted by JJ86 at 12:07 PM on August 26, 2008
Quoting by unattributed italic block is probably the most common traditional method of quoting on the site. There's certainly arguments to be made for different styles of quoting, depending on the context, but I don't think "do it right" is going to work as a pat argument here.
And reading the whole thread is not an exceptional notion. If you elect not to read the thread before jumping into the conversation, and thus don't recognize the source of a quoted portion of one of the comments you did read, it takes ten seconds to do a copy-and-find to put the pieces together.
posted by cortex (staff) at 12:12 PM on August 26, 2008
And reading the whole thread is not an exceptional notion. If you elect not to read the thread before jumping into the conversation, and thus don't recognize the source of a quoted portion of one of the comments you did read, it takes ten seconds to do a copy-and-find to put the pieces together.
posted by cortex (staff) at 12:12 PM on August 26, 2008
Or should we always assume any reader of a thread already knows how to use Google to find a link and get rid of hyperlinks altogether?
If they need to use Google to find some text on the very page they're reading, well, hell, I don't want to italicise them.
posted by bonaldi at 12:27 PM on August 26, 2008
If they need to use Google to find some text on the very page they're reading, well, hell, I don't want to italicise them.
posted by bonaldi at 12:27 PM on August 26, 2008
I wonder what metafilterAskMe would be like if there were only posts and no comments. Sure there be some loss, but then... the gain is may be worth it.
FTFY
posted by owtytrof at 2:23 PM on August 26, 2008
FTFY
posted by owtytrof at 2:23 PM on August 26, 2008
The pile-on of insults and "suck it up" responses in this thread, as well as the resulting unnecessary apologies for a perfectly valid AskMe answer are just sad.
The answer is ok.
Zadcat's initial insistance that someone else's opinion about and refutation of her answer was somehow offensive or an attack wasn't really ok.
When I say "grow a hide" that's not an insult or an attack. It is indeed a "oh, suck it up" because, really? It's not that big of a deal. And to start a sort of tattle-tale MeTa over it (instead of peharps consulting with a moderator, first) is a defensive posture that indicates that her beliefs aren't held with all that much conviction - or perhaps a little too much conviction.
Seriously, now. The title of this thread is "Delete delete!" and the more inside reads "I think if you want to respond to an earlier comment it's quite sufficient to put it in italics. As an ordinary user it's not up to you to cross out (even conceptually) another user's comment."
That doesn't read as a little snippy, defensive, overwrought and sort of asking for special treatment to you? It's a strikethrough used in a users OWN comment. It's not like they hacked MeFi and edited or altered zadcat's own comment.
Zadcat's answer wasn't deleted because - as far as photography as art is concerned - it's good advice. Wemayfreeze's answer wasn't deleted because - obviously - not all photography is art or even intended to be art.
If I'd started a rather petty and self-centered MeTa thread about something so admittedly trivial I'd hope I'd apologize, too.
posted by loquacious at 2:42 PM on August 26, 2008
The answer is ok.
Zadcat's initial insistance that someone else's opinion about and refutation of her answer was somehow offensive or an attack wasn't really ok.
When I say "grow a hide" that's not an insult or an attack. It is indeed a "oh, suck it up" because, really? It's not that big of a deal. And to start a sort of tattle-tale MeTa over it (instead of peharps consulting with a moderator, first) is a defensive posture that indicates that her beliefs aren't held with all that much conviction - or perhaps a little too much conviction.
Seriously, now. The title of this thread is "Delete delete!" and the more inside reads "I think if you want to respond to an earlier comment it's quite sufficient to put it in italics. As an ordinary user it's not up to you to cross out (even conceptually) another user's comment."
That doesn't read as a little snippy, defensive, overwrought and sort of asking for special treatment to you? It's a strikethrough used in a users OWN comment. It's not like they hacked MeFi and edited or altered zadcat's own comment.
Zadcat's answer wasn't deleted because - as far as photography as art is concerned - it's good advice. Wemayfreeze's answer wasn't deleted because - obviously - not all photography is art or even intended to be art.
If I'd started a rather petty and self-centered MeTa thread about something so admittedly trivial I'd hope I'd apologize, too.
posted by loquacious at 2:42 PM on August 26, 2008
Part of being an artist is developing a thick skin. If everyone thinks what you are saying is wonderful and perfect, it is time to worry.
posted by R. Mutt at 5:14 PM on August 26, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by R. Mutt at 5:14 PM on August 26, 2008 [1 favorite]
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One solution would be to post all of your comments like this.posted by maxwelton at 4:50 PM on August 24, 2008