cemetery gates October 16, 2008 10:12 AM   Subscribe

Although cortex callously and without hesitation deleted my fabulous single link youtube front page post, I still see it, albeit with a re: sidebar.

Is this a feature?
posted by plexi to MetaFilter-Related at 10:12 AM (80 comments total)

See it where? I'm not sure what you mean about the sidebar.
posted by cortex (staff) at 10:15 AM on October 16, 2008


Oh hi plexi. I think this is the deleted post you're referring to and yes people can see their own deleted posts.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 10:16 AM on October 16, 2008


OK, thanks!
posted by plexi at 10:18 AM on October 16, 2008


Oh, hey, right, the new you-can-see-your-deleted-posts thing.
posted by cortex (staff) at 10:21 AM on October 16, 2008


Normaration in action! QED.
posted by fixedgear at 10:22 AM on October 16, 2008


Mixed messages.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 10:26 AM on October 16, 2008


I still have no idea what you mean by "sidebar" though.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 10:29 AM on October 16, 2008


So does this mean I can go look back in the archives to my early days, and if I find the right day and time I can see me old deleted posts?

Or should I just make a quick "Ann Coluter declawed Palin with a circumcized, fixed-gear portobello" post to the Blue so I can see what it looks like?

Or maybe someone could post a screenshot ot a self-visible delete thread. Whadya say, plexi?
posted by BeerFilter at 10:31 AM on October 16, 2008 [3 favorites]


cortex: "Oh, hey, right, the new you-can-see-your-deleted-posts thing."

Wait, whut? I win the pony? Are you going to make me post a shit FPP just so I can see this in action?
posted by Plutor at 10:33 AM on October 16, 2008


cortex will be putting up some screenshots shortly, remain calm.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 10:34 AM on October 16, 2008 [1 favorite]


ANY DAY NOW, FLICKR.
NO, REALLY. TAKE YOUR TIME. IT'S COOL.

posted by cortex (staff) at 10:36 AM on October 16, 2008 [3 favorites]


remain calm.

This must be the new Normaration thing everyone is talking about. Now they want to control our mood!
posted by never used baby shoes at 10:36 AM on October 16, 2008


So now, instead of whiny "Where did my post go, you Nazi censors?" Metatalk posts, we can look forward to confused "How come I can still see my deleted post, you Commie doubletalkers?" posts.
posted by turaho at 10:38 AM on October 16, 2008 [3 favorites]




When the blacks take over, videos like that won't be deleted.
posted by DU at 10:40 AM on October 16, 2008


Yeah, that's pretty much what we're hoping when we're not hoping somewhat more optimistically, turaho.
posted by cortex (staff) at 10:40 AM on October 16, 2008 [1 favorite]


Hells yes. I loves you, MetaFilters.
posted by Plutor at 10:42 AM on October 16, 2008


Oh I see, the "re:sidebar" means the blue line looks like an email reply or something.

We were trying to come up with a way to highlight it without highlighting it too much. The intention was to show you your deleted post so you can see the deleted reason once you click through.

Prior to this, we got a lot of metatalk posts saying "zomg, where did my post go?! why are you cesnorship hitlers?!!!" so we figured this would at least alleviate the disappearing posts thing, but I can see that it's not super clear why that line on the left is there or that it means something is deleted.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 10:45 AM on October 16, 2008


Maybe a big red X? Or change the [more inside] to say [you should feel bad].
posted by DU at 10:47 AM on October 16, 2008 [13 favorites]


I wonder if we should give the text a light fade? Sort of emphasize that your post has been deleted, not SUPER AWESOME FAVORITED or something?
posted by cortex (staff) at 10:47 AM on October 16, 2008


my fabulous single link youtube front page post

Why on earth would you post something you knew was crap?
posted by dersins at 10:48 AM on October 16, 2008


Maybe grey it out like a best answer? We've already got the stylesheet declaration for that.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 10:48 AM on October 16, 2008 [1 favorite]


A picture of the system in action, re: this post.

For the record Cortex is much better at the eyeballing game than me.
posted by Pollomacho at 10:51 AM on October 16, 2008


I think you should frame them in a diarhhea-brown. Subtle, yet the point is made.
posted by not_on_display at 10:55 AM on October 16, 2008


Yes, light fade would be good.
posted by fixedgear at 10:56 AM on October 16, 2008


mathowie: "Oh I see, the "re:sidebar" means the blue line looks like an email reply or something. We were trying to come up with a way to highlight it without highlighting it too much. The intention was to show you your deleted post so you can see the deleted reason once you click through."

The new version of the deleted posts greasemonkey uses a red left border and red text (both #fcc) and also includes the deletion reason inline. Thus.
posted by Plutor at 11:07 AM on October 16, 2008 [1 favorite]


You're going about this backwards. When a post is deleted, all of the worthy content around it should slowly fade away, leaving only the lone, closed post to read for all of eternity. Then, when the user goes to MetaTalk to complain, no matter what they type and submit, their post should always come up as a new thread that says, "Sorry for my shitty post." And they shouldn't be able to comment in the thread. Then someone should knock on their door and punch them when they answer.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 11:08 AM on October 16, 2008 [10 favorites]


Oh shit, I hijacked a thread with a Greasemonkey ad again. Woe is me.
posted by Plutor at 11:08 AM on October 16, 2008


Alternatively, a voice recording of Matt saying "Bad dog!", the sound of a newspaper swat, followed by barking.

More seriously, perhaps an ajax-y way of removing or shrinking the post, so that once seen, the poster isn't reminded of their post every time they reload the page for the next couple of days.
posted by bonehead at 11:09 AM on October 16, 2008


Make it bleed.
posted by C17H19NO3 at 11:09 AM on October 16, 2008


If it weren't for references in deleted posts, I would never have heard about zombo.com, and my life would be so much poorer for it. The way those posts link to each other makes me feel like maybe I really can do anything.
posted by solipsophistocracy at 11:10 AM on October 16, 2008 [1 favorite]


You could display them in a black box, like the deleted-reason comment is displayed on the post's page. That would make more sense to me than reusing the "original poster" or "best answer" type markup from elsewhere. (Or do you want to keep that box for official messages from on high?)

Or you could use css to overlay the post with a frowny face. Or a sad puppy. Or an animated gif of Hitler censoring things.
posted by hattifattener at 11:10 AM on October 16, 2008 [1 favorite]


Instead of just a blue bar, it should have the word DELETED in white-text vertically on the blue bar.

And maybe it should be flashing.
posted by blue_beetle at 11:11 AM on October 16, 2008


Then someone should knock on their door and punch 'em in the dick when they answer.

FTFY.
posted by C17H19NO3 at 11:11 AM on October 16, 2008 [2 favorites]


Also, I want another couple of tabs now at the top of the page:
  • My Deleted Posts
  • My Favorite Deleted Posts
  • My Deleted Favorite Posts
  • Recent Comments on Posts that I have Favorited but are now Deleted
  • Deleted Favorite Comments in Delete Posts that I have Commented In

  • posted by blue_beetle at 11:13 AM on October 16, 2008 [11 favorites]


    • Deleted comments that include the word deleted three or more times
    posted by Plutor at 11:16 AM on October 16, 2008 [2 favorites]


    Does anyone have both the Deleted Threads script installed and a deleted thread of their own? Do they play nicely together?
    posted by SpiffyRob at 11:17 AM on October 16, 2008


    Instead of just a blue bar, it should have the word DELETED in white-text vertically on the blue bar.

    Well, it should certainly say DELETED somewhere, instead of a mystery bar. From cortex's screenshot, there is no way you would know it was deleted.

    It should also say "YOU ARE A BAD PERSON", but I can see why that would not be done.
    posted by smackfu at 11:32 AM on October 16, 2008


    The Greasemonkey's script's sidebar thing has an increased asrequestedness factor.
    posted by Plutor at 12:01 PM on October 16, 2008 [1 favorite]


    I wonder if we should give the text a light fade? Sort of emphasize that your post has been deleted, not SUPER AWESOME FAVORITED or something?

    Make it blink at an epileptogenic frequency.
    posted by jamjam at 12:16 PM on October 16, 2008


    Plutor, may the god of your choosing bless you, I love that new script and it's awesome "Hide" mouseoverness with my whole heart.
    posted by donnagirl at 12:19 PM on October 16, 2008


    Blatant favoritism! Plutor gets to use color and the rest of use are left in the drab.
    posted by Cranberry at 12:20 PM on October 16, 2008


    A picture of the system in action, re: this post.

    I don't get it, do people see their posts like that (with the bar) all the time, or do people only see their posts like that when they've been deleted? Because as it is, that bar is the same as the "this comment by original poster" indicator bar in AskMe, which has nothing to do with deleted posts and thus is confusing.
    posted by EndsOfInvention at 12:21 PM on October 16, 2008


    Only when they've been deleted, yeah. And it's brand new; I think we'll keep tweaking it here as we break it in.
    posted by cortex (staff) at 12:23 PM on October 16, 2008


    Yeah, I just changed the display so the post is grayed out if deleted. And the deletion reason appears under the post.
    posted by pb (staff) at 12:25 PM on October 16, 2008


    Here's what a deleted post looks like for the OP.
    posted by pb (staff) at 12:28 PM on October 16, 2008


    What about in the simple style?
    posted by jessamyn (staff) at 12:37 PM on October 16, 2008


    It looks pretty good in simple, too, but I'm not speaking to Flickr right now so you'll have to take my word for it.
    posted by cortex (staff) at 12:43 PM on October 16, 2008


    We've already got the stylesheet declaration for that.

    This is the "We've already got a bolt that will fit that" of our generation.

    not a bad thing or a good thing; just noting the onward march of technology
    posted by davejay at 12:48 PM on October 16, 2008


    I can pass Flickr a note for you, cortex
    posted by jessamyn (staff) at 12:49 PM on October 16, 2008 [1 favorite]


    Tell Flickr that I'm sorry I yelled at it but that I can't go to the dance because my parents are stupid fascists and I HATE THEM SO MUCH
    posted by cortex (staff) at 1:03 PM on October 16, 2008 [12 favorites]


    DEAR FLICKR
    DO YOU LIKE CORTEX
    CHECK ONE: YES____ NO_____
    posted by The corpse in the library at 1:04 PM on October 16, 2008 [10 favorites]


    Share your photos (and video!). Take cortex to the dance.
    posted by Kwine at 1:12 PM on October 16, 2008


    Cortex, Flickr likes you but isn't sure if it like likes you.
    posted by oddman at 1:35 PM on October 16, 2008


    Here's a deleted post in the plain theme.
    posted by pb (staff) at 1:44 PM on October 16, 2008


    Flickr told me to tell you that it likes you but sometimes you're just so, like, intense, man.
    posted by Jofus at 1:57 PM on October 16, 2008 [2 favorites]


    Sometimes there's so much beauty in the web I feel like I can't take it, like my mouse is going to cave in.
    posted by cortex (staff) at 2:07 PM on October 16, 2008 [2 favorites]


    what the hell is normaration?
    posted by Stynxno at 2:53 PM on October 16, 2008


    Reverend, reverend,
    Is this a conspiracy?
    Crucified for no sins
    No revenge... beneath me.
    Lost within my plans for life,
    It all seems so unreal.
    I'm a man cut in half in this world,
    Left in my misery.


    [God that sounds angsty now that there are a few years between me and it.]
    posted by quin at 3:02 PM on October 16, 2008


    what the hell is normaration?

    It's when you walk into a bar and all the geezers yell "Norm!!!" but you're too young to remember Cheers and you're too cool (or broke) to own a TV anyway (or you don't have cable), and after about the hundredth time this happens you finally break down and ask somebody why everyone yells "Norm!!!" when you walk into a bar and the geezer chokes on their pretzel, slaps you on the head, and says, "Because you're an obese alcoholic, dumbshit!"
    posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 3:07 PM on October 16, 2008 [3 favorites]


    what the hell is normaration?

    The average amount of grub one can expect to receive when placing an order at Norma's Griddle Cake Emporium, ie. 4 pancakes, or 10 dollar size pancakes.
    posted by oneirodynia at 3:20 PM on October 16, 2008


    Can't it just be set into strikeout tags, with "FTFY" appended? That seems fairly self-explanatory.
    posted by An Infinity Of Monkeys at 3:40 PM on October 16, 2008 [4 favorites]


    I wonder if we should give the text a light fade? Sort of emphasize that your post has been deleted, not SUPER AWESOME FAVORITED or something?

    I agree as well. Light fade or gray, whatever, and italicize it or something else to pull the text out without highlighting.
    posted by mrgrimm at 4:00 PM on October 16, 2008


    Do people really have that many deleted posts that it matters? I think the goal here is just "here's where your post went".
    posted by smackfu at 4:07 PM on October 16, 2008


    Man, I am totally going to make a bunch of shit posts to see this thing in action.

    j/k
    posted by GuyZero at 5:29 PM on October 16, 2008


    Plutor, does your shiny new deleted posts greasemonkey script not work with Firefox 3? Because I had the old version, and could see the numbers of the deleted posts. But I just installed the new one, and it said the script installed correctly, but now I don't see any deleted posts at all. And since earlier today there were some, I don't know what went wrong?
    posted by misha at 5:53 PM on October 16, 2008


    You know Cortex is getting called out a lot. I don't really take issue with the deletions (here and there sure, but this is all so subjective) but the fact that the callouts are coming so fast and free is an issue. I think it boils down more to respect than to to the underlying reason for the deletion and by that I mean I think sometimes Cortex in an effort to be funny disrespects the posters too much. I don't think he really means it as disrespect, come on listen to him, he is all fun and games for the most part, but nevertheless, feelings are hurt. I think leaving a post is usually better than deleting it, unless it is really awful (or obviously double, in which case their is usually little dispute) and when it goes some humor is fine, but with respect. This is a tough, tough job and he is doing it quite well. Despite the occasional hard feelings, I think you have to say he is a big positive contribution to the site. So, with perhaps a bit more empathy on his part in writing deletion reasons I think this becomes moot.
    posted by caddis at 7:47 PM on October 16, 2008 [1 favorite]


    Guys, all these fake posts you're deleting for show and tell are making metafilter slower, just like when you metanazis don't delete old accounts to save space.

    Yeesh.
    posted by scabrous at 8:03 PM on October 16, 2008


    This is really a great place. Even the garbage is thoughtfully and carefully presented.
    posted by fantabulous timewaster at 8:08 PM on October 16, 2008


    The fake posts are also using up post numbers. What are you going to do when we run out?
    posted by smackfu at 8:58 PM on October 16, 2008


    caddis: "You know Cortex is getting called out a lot. ...I think it boils down more to respect than to to the underlying reason for the deletion and by that I mean I think sometimes Cortex in an effort to be funny disrespects the posters too much..."

    That's what happens when you act all "just one of the guys" most of the time - people forget you have superpowers and then BAM! you wipe them out and they have this dissonant feeling that their chat-buddy could at any instant wipe away any trace that they ever existed. If you want people to remember that you have more power than them, you need to keep a little distance. Plus (and probably more accurately), because cortex hangs out the back here in MeTa so much where things are a little more chatty and ill-defined, so his powers are a little less obvious. Maybe a little mark beside the moderator's names to remind us like, oh, I dunno, a gold star maybe?
    posted by dg at 2:41 AM on October 17, 2008


    Am I the only idiot here vain enough to bookmark my own posts??
    posted by Devils Rancher at 4:20 AM on October 17, 2008


    That's useful when you get normarated, sure, but when you get supercensored your posts get destroyed. Annihilated. Unsubscribed from google.
    posted by ersatz at 6:53 AM on October 17, 2008 [1 favorite]


    ...cortex callously and without hesitation deleted my fabulous single link youtube front page post, I still see it, albeit with a re: sidebar. Is this a feature?

    No, cortex is a bug. But we've learned to work around it.
    posted by rokusan at 7:11 AM on October 17, 2008


    The fake posts are also using up post numbers. What are you going to do when we run out?

    Switch to MetaPV6 numbers.

    To help encourage adoption of the new numbering system, we'll start with porn.
    posted by rokusan at 7:13 AM on October 17, 2008


    Ooh! Pretty! Thanks Plutor, I love the updated version of the greasemonkey script.
    posted by CitrusFreak12 at 7:41 AM on October 17, 2008


    You know what I love? Tacos. Tacos, and this place. Mostly tacos.
    posted by owtytrof at 8:52 AM on October 17, 2008


    Tacos and deletions. Both are mostly excellent.
    posted by LarryC at 10:09 AM on October 17, 2008


    Plutor's script is awesome when you don't screw it up! Yes, it DOES work in Firefox 3.

    And I like the new "seeing your deletions" feature.
    posted by misha at 10:16 AM on October 17, 2008


    ♫ My mod's better 'cause he gets Norm-A Ration,
    My mod's better than yours. ♫
    posted by lukemeister at 7:50 PM on October 17, 2008


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