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What?
posted by kbanas at 12:08 PM on April 28, 2009


Are you talking about a specific comment or the question itself?
posted by odinsdream at 12:10 PM on April 28, 2009


Oh, good, another one of these.
posted by box at 12:12 PM on April 28, 2009 [7 favorites]


It's only racist if you are one of those people who immediately associates crack with a specific ethnicity or race of people. That in itself is racist, is it not?

I agree on the chatfilter side, though. I kind of expected that one to get axed.
posted by routergirl at 12:12 PM on April 28, 2009


Plumber's Butt?
posted by blue_beetle at 12:13 PM on April 28, 2009


Congratulations on giving the poster more attention via this thread. Mods decided to let the question stand. You've undoubtedly read enough previous callouts about this poster to know approximately how this one's going to go, which is to say badly.
posted by arcanecrowbar at 12:13 PM on April 28, 2009 [2 favorites]


What's racist about asking why people find crack funny? Do I like that question? No, I don't. Do we need another zillion comment MeTa thread every time sixcolors posts something? No, we don't.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 12:14 PM on April 28, 2009 [23 favorites]


Do we need another zillion comment MeTa thread every time sixcolors posts something? No, we don't.

while I think this may not be the best of callouts given the preexisting track record, I've just decided that one poster shouldn't be so disruptive, well-meaning or not. This is just a recurring problem with one poster and it's no longer fun.
posted by allen.spaulding at 12:20 PM on April 28, 2009 [4 favorites]


Yeah, but we might not need this once-a-week attention-seeking slow-dance-to-Bansville either.
posted by box at 12:21 PM on April 28, 2009


i think your reaction proved the validity (legitimacy?) of her question.

it obviously has ethnic/racial negative meaning tied to it so she was trying to find out why it could be so widely used as a joke.

as in "gee, was she smoking crack when she posted that?"

it does seem like she tries to find intentionally provacative things to ask about, but that's what mods are for.

or perhaps i was just into this one because i like words and how language is used.
posted by sio42 at 12:22 PM on April 28, 2009


Loquacious, what the hell are you talking about?

This is just a recurring problem with one poster and it's no longer fun.

Is that due to the poster or other people turning the poster into a freak show? Whatever the answer is, it seem like it's going to end up anywhere good.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 12:22 PM on April 28, 2009 [1 favorite]


You know who else thought cliched jokes about horrific circumstances were funny?
posted by stupidsexyFlanders at 12:24 PM on April 28, 2009


Flagged. If there was a "For the love of all that is holy can we please not fucking do this again?" reason for flagging, I would use that.
posted by ob at 12:26 PM on April 28, 2009 [3 favorites]


It's not an awesome question, but I think it's pretty clear at this point that sixcolors is not particularly good at asking questions. She's not unique on that front, and we try to give people, even people with annoyingly high-visibility track records, some leeway and benefit of the doubt.

As far as that goes, there's some answerability to this one that kept me on the shy side of the chatfilter border, people have been making a reasonable effort to actually address the question (and the problems with its premises), and if sixcolors can continue to respect the "don't turn this into a chat after all" request then I think it'll be fine. I don't think making a big deal out of it just because it's sixcolors being tonedeaf again is a great idea.
posted by cortex (staff) at 12:28 PM on April 28, 2009 [1 favorite]


Can we close this up, please? I think it's pretty clear by now that a thread like this one isn't going to make sixcolors change her stripes.
posted by ocherdraco at 12:33 PM on April 28, 2009


This is basically a couple pointless racist generalizations that may as well be deleted.

Otherwise, MEH! MEH, I say! I'm finna turn to the rock myself here in a minute, this is so MEH.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 12:34 PM on April 28, 2009


Apologies, but I'm tired of AskMe being used for her confirmation bias and fucked up world view.
posted by loquacious at 12:34 PM on April 28, 2009 [18 favorites]


BOYS AND GIRLS, IT'S BEEN ANOTHER WEEK. AND YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS?

THAT'S RIGHT, IT'S SIXCOLORS TUESDAY AGAIN!

*cues marching band, clowns, and the monkeys that do flips on the backs of the hippos*
posted by dersins at 12:35 PM on April 28, 2009 [26 favorites]


Almost everything associated with the 80's is funny

how I wish that were true.
posted by kuujjuarapik at 12:35 PM on April 28, 2009 [3 favorites]


I want to ask a honest question: if someone besides sixcolors had asked that question, would we have had a call-out? I'm genuinely curious.
posted by Caduceus at 12:35 PM on April 28, 2009 [6 favorites]


OMG, when did I ever say that I was WHITE???
posted by sixcolors at 12:36 PM on April 28, 2009 [5 favorites]


I was ready to pile on, but it seems like sixcolors is listening to cortex and kind-of-sort-of learning the community norms in that thread. While there is still an awful lot of room for improvement, it looks like the mods are making progress.
posted by Pants! at 12:38 PM on April 28, 2009


if someone besides sixcolors had asked that question, would we have had a call-out?

I think so, yes. The call out might have a different discussion, but I think it would've been here.
posted by inigo2 at 12:38 PM on April 28, 2009


We were assuming that one of your six colors must be white, although, now that I think about it, that isn't so much a color as an absence of hue and greyness.
posted by Astro Zombie at 12:38 PM on April 28, 2009 [4 favorites]


White is the absence of color. (Or, if EM spectrum, all colors)
posted by not_on_display at 12:39 PM on April 28, 2009


if someone besides sixcolors had asked that question, would we have had a call-out?

Probably not, but I bet you it would have been flagged up the wazoo.
posted by ocherdraco at 12:39 PM on April 28, 2009 [4 favorites]


sixcolors, you don't have to be white to be racist.

but it helps.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 12:40 PM on April 28, 2009 [11 favorites]


For the record, I think meth is way funnier.

But then again, I *am* from Missouri.
posted by Afroblanco at 12:41 PM on April 28, 2009 [6 favorites]


White is the absence of color.

Well, sure, when you're using CMYK, but when you're dealing with RGB, that's a whole 'nother kettle of messed up PDFs.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 12:41 PM on April 28, 2009 [10 favorites]


Am I the only one who suddenly feels like strangling a kitten? No? Yes? Anyone? Sorry. Just me, I guess.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 12:42 PM on April 28, 2009 [1 favorite]


Probably not, but I bet you it would have been flagged up the wazoo.

As a data point, I flagged the question before I noticed it was posted by sixcolors. It's just another piece of "What's the deal with X? X sucks amirite?" chatfilter.
posted by dersins at 12:42 PM on April 28, 2009 [3 favorites]


Apologies, but I'm tired of AskMe being used for her confirmation bias and fucked up world view.

Believe me, I hear you. I don't think of having a fucked up world view as being a disqualifying factor around here, though, as much as it might make for a bumpy ride.

Ongoing behavior problems from sixcolors in general are more what I'm concerned with at this point, and the ice is exceedingly thin. I may be erring on the side of caution too much in this specific case, I dunno. We've all three got pretty busy days today so communication about this stuff is a little more on the wayside than it'd usually be.
posted by cortex (staff) at 12:42 PM on April 28, 2009 [2 favorites]


That's what you get for using PDFs for pre-flight and RIP.
posted by loquacious at 12:42 PM on April 28, 2009


Who works in RGB? I mean, really?
posted by Caduceus at 12:43 PM on April 28, 2009


I think the "weed is also often associated with poor black people" bit might've been gleaned from something she read about marijuana being linked to jazz musicians pre prohibition, maybe. But it was a dopey unqualified comment anyway.
posted by Burhanistan at 12:43 PM on April 28, 2009


oh meth, oooooh meth!
posted by Afroblanco at 12:44 PM on April 28, 2009 [2 favorites]


Who works in RGB? I mean, really?

Anyone who's producing work meant to be viewed on-screen?
posted by dersins at 12:44 PM on April 28, 2009


Who works in RGB? I mean, really?

Web hacks in a dead tree print shop?

WTF? CMYK is all zeros! Why isn't it printing black?
posted by loquacious at 12:45 PM on April 28, 2009


If we start arguing about hexachrome we'll really jump the metashark.
posted by loquacious at 12:46 PM on April 28, 2009 [1 favorite]


> Who works in RGB? I mean, really?

Architects.
posted by Burhanistan at 12:46 PM on April 28, 2009


Probably not, but I bet you it would have been flagged up the wazoo.

As a data point, I flagged the question before I noticed it was posted by sixcolors. It's just another piece of "What's the deal with X? X sucks amirite?" chatfilter.


Makes sense to me. Certainly, it seemed flaggable. But we seriously seem to get a MeTa every time she asks a question, and it seems counter-productive at this point. If ever there was a case for "flag and move on" this is it.
posted by Caduceus at 12:47 PM on April 28, 2009


Man, this whole sixcolors thing is so bizarre and so weird. Here's a person who's become sort of a MeFi celebrity just by being kinda bad at using the site. And the mods go to such great lengths to tolerate her because they want to prove some sort of point about how democratic the site is or whatever. Only on metafilter would so many people spend so much time on somebody like that.
posted by Afroblanco at 12:49 PM on April 28, 2009 [8 favorites]


Hey, have you ever been to sixcolors.org? Some of the girls on there are pretty cute.
posted by kbanas at 12:50 PM on April 28, 2009


Only on metafilter would so many people spend so much time on somebody like that.

Or 4chan. Pretty depressing, isn't it.
posted by Elmore at 12:52 PM on April 28, 2009


cortex: "we try to give people, even people with annoyingly high-visibility track records, some leeway and benefit of the doubt."

I can vouch for this.
posted by Joe Beese at 12:52 PM on April 28, 2009 [2 favorites]


Anyway, sixcolors: Do you grok why people here don't like your questions in AskMetafilter? Take a look at what you ask. You're basically coming there for confirmation of your worldviews. You also tend to post your questions very close to the time that 7 days has passed, so it seems you are an obsessive. Maybe you could drop your defenses a bit here and try to find out why you're getting called out so much?

The community norms here can be a bit harsh, but often people tend to benefit from exposure here as a kind of educational measure. Sometimes, as it may be in your case, people are a bit too out of focus to benefit from the feedback so there is just this endless cycle of garbage tossing rather than any learning going on. Again, can you step back a moment and see why you get the negative feedback here?
posted by Burhanistan at 12:53 PM on April 28, 2009 [1 favorite]


That's what you get for using PDFs for pre-flight and RIP.

The rep said it was camera ready! They always say it's camera ready!

They never mention that it's camera ready from Publisher or Word, but oh man do I find that out. Usually just by looking at it
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 12:55 PM on April 28, 2009 [2 favorites]


The only person implying that crack head and crack are supposedly associated only with African Americans would be the call-out poster.
posted by Ironmouth at 12:58 PM on April 28, 2009


The only person implying that crack head and crack are supposedly associated only with African Americans would be the call-out poster.

Isn't he white? Sounds white...
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 12:59 PM on April 28, 2009


I think the "weed is also often associated with poor black people"

Bad weed is associated with poor people, generally.
posted by Ironmouth at 12:59 PM on April 28, 2009


sixcoloreds.
posted by Hovercraft Eel at 1:04 PM on April 28, 2009


The only person implying that crack head and crack are supposedly associated only with African Americans would be the call-out poster.

Uh, no I didn't. It was the weed and syrup comments that got to me - combined with previous racially questionable questions that have since been deleted.
posted by loquacious at 1:05 PM on April 28, 2009


You know who else thought cliched jokes about horrific circumstances were funny?

Electroboy?
posted by electroboy at 1:05 PM on April 28, 2009 [2 favorites]


Yeah I totally missed the title on that page. Definitely not a great world view.
posted by routergirl at 1:06 PM on April 28, 2009


The rep said it was camera ready! They always say it's camera ready!

Wow, I haven't heard the term "camera ready" in about a decade, and I used to actually be a camera/darkroom tech. I don't miss that at all. Traps, bleeds, chokes and screens in the contact frame? Argh. Suddenly I don't feel so bad about all the crappy design enabled by DTP.
posted by loquacious at 1:08 PM on April 28, 2009 [3 favorites]


here are my two cents paid in full; the question as posed and a number of the responses in that thread and here are more classist than racist.

the inherent financial inequality of american society along with the habit of human nature to establish pecking orders while thinking themselves superior to at least a few others. most people in america consider themselves to be in the middle whether they are or not. this creates envy of those with a lot of money. this also creates disdain for those who, through whichever circumstance, do not also contribute to the race to get more money. the base assumption, though wrong, is that if someone is not in the rat race it is only because they are total losers of it. in american society, the dominant culture which can afford to maintain their drug habits leverage the black markets to make some drugs more classy than others.

crack and meth have, through different ways, become guilty of being lower class by association. thus, utilizing these two drugs allows the humor which is used to have a charge when and how needed. while crack and meth both do have racist charges, they both have the same classist charge. the classist charge allows certain jokes about crack/meth to have plausible deniability by those with political correctness filters because those pc filters tend to only have anthro-depth and are unwilling to tread into the debate about systemic financial inequality.

laziness completes the need to make humor of the addiction problems in america. the petit power vaccuum is thus filled with jokes. it is too much work, for most people, to do anything else about the situations.
posted by the aloha at 1:09 PM on April 28, 2009 [4 favorites]


You know who else thought cliched jokes about horrific circumstances were funny?

This guy?

I sort of ran out of links to damning examples at the end there.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 1:10 PM on April 28, 2009 [7 favorites]


for those who are confused by this callout, I think locquacious' link was supposed to go here.

it's quoted in part in the title of the thread. here's the full comment:

Yeah I don't think it has to do with it being associated with poor black people, 100%. Somewhat? I think "yes"

But weed is also often associated wtih poor black people, so is syrup or should I say sizzzzzzuuuurrrppp.

And roofies are associated with white guys, and appears that its laughter quotient has been increasing over the years.

posted by shmegegge at 1:11 PM on April 28, 2009


and I used to actually be a camera/darkroom tech.

Wow, I've been desperate, but never that desperate.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 1:12 PM on April 28, 2009 [1 favorite]


Afroblanco: Man, this whole sixcolors thing is so bizarre and so weird. Here's a person who's become sort of a MeFi celebrity just by being kinda bad at using the site. And the mods go to such great lengths to tolerate her because they want to prove some sort of point about how democratic the site is or whatever. Only on metafilter would so many people spend so much time on somebody like that.

It just seems like normal operating procedure for MetaFilter (and one that I like). I don't think davy was much less visible than sixcolors, to take one example. You could argue that quonsar was just as much of a handful during his delightful reign of terror. Other examples exist in the backpages of MetaFilter.
posted by Kattullus at 1:12 PM on April 28, 2009


it is kind of mystifying to me that the question is still up.
posted by shmegegge at 1:14 PM on April 28, 2009


and it's no longer fun.

It used to be fun?

Essentially this is another in the string of Tuesday morning exercises in the "I'm not touching you!" school of thought. We're being had, or played, or trolled, whatever you want to call it when someone plays lawyer-ball with your best intentions. I hate that shit, and I hate I am not disciplined enough to not comment on it, but come on.

I wonder if we'll be having this conversation, or one very like it, next week?
posted by dirtdirt at 1:15 PM on April 28, 2009




Ahhh, a brand new day.
posted by not_on_display at 1:17 PM on April 28, 2009


OPEN REQUEST: for the love of God, somebody please make a Greasemonkey script that will prevent me from ever again having to see or inadvertently click on (1) sixcolors posts and (2) MetaTalk callouts of sixcolors posts. I would do it myself, but I don't know how. Please? Anybody? Help me?
posted by ourobouros at 1:17 PM on April 28, 2009 [1 favorite]


It just seems like normal operating procedure for MetaFilter (and one that I like). I don't think davy was much less visible than sixcolors, to take one example. You could argue that quonsar was just as much of a handful during his delightful reign of terror. Other examples exist in the backpages of MetaFilter.

davy was banned. quonsar was banned repeatedly. quonsar, at least, had the benefit of having actually contributed positively to the site in many people's eyes.
posted by shmegegge at 1:17 PM on April 28, 2009


quonsar was more lovable of a character than sixcolors. that aside, quonsar probably is given more slack as an early adopter. coming earlier, he was able to cross the line which became demarcated. sixcolors steps over the line because she doesn't know any better in part because she arrived so much later.
posted by the aloha at 1:18 PM on April 28, 2009


sixcoloreds.

six to eight black men.
posted by ocherdraco at 1:19 PM on April 28, 2009 [3 favorites]


Whatever happened to bunnyfire?
posted by studentbaker at 1:19 PM on April 28, 2009


I don't think davy was much less visible than sixcolors, to take one example.

My god. Davy. Now there's someone I don't miss. Any time there was an opportunity for someone to be annoying in a thread, he was right there, being annoying.

I don't think sixcolors should be banned, because she hasn't self-linked or done anything like that. How about every time she does something stupid it gets deleted, and every time someone starts a sixcolors MeTa thread, it gets closed? That cut down on the amount of sixcolorspam.

Also, what's up with that sixcolors.org site? Is it run by the same person?
posted by Afroblanco at 1:20 PM on April 28, 2009


studentbaker: The person behind the bunnyfire account has also posted as konolia, and is currently posting as St. Alia of the Bunnies.
posted by box at 1:23 PM on April 28, 2009 [1 favorite]


You're enabling. Flag it. Move on.
posted by GuyZero at 1:23 PM on April 28, 2009 [4 favorites]


We could make a game of it. You know, guess the MeTa thread we'll be repeating in the future. Gimme a week and this will blow your mind.
posted by Durin's Bane at 1:25 PM on April 28, 2009 [4 favorites]


sigh.
posted by The Light Fantastic at 1:26 PM on April 28, 2009 [1 favorite]


Happy sixcolors day, everyone.
posted by mullacc at 1:28 PM on April 28, 2009


Thanks, box! I always assumed she got mad and left.
posted by studentbaker at 1:29 PM on April 28, 2009


I didn't see the question as racially charged, but I can see where that conclusion could be made. And given how there is not really value in the answer beyond idle curiosity, I would think it would be a good idea to err on the side of caution and just delete the thing.

But I'm a little confused how a question that could be construed as offensive to a group of people--yet not explicitly being so--could result in this much hand-wringing and a callout, while a thread that is explicitly and proudly hateful and offensive to another group of people is replayed yet again on this site.

I'd rather not have anything noxious and alienating. But why do we allow some of it?
posted by dios at 1:31 PM on April 28, 2009 [5 favorites]


That cut down on the amount of sixcolorspam.

I read that as "sixcolorgasm."

(Which I actually prefer, now that I think about it.)
posted by dhammond at 1:31 PM on April 28, 2009 [2 favorites]


I have to admit that I find sixcolors kind of funny because she's such a fucking crackhead.
posted by The Straightener at 1:32 PM on April 28, 2009 [25 favorites]


This whole "Look how in the know I am, Z used to post as Y, but also as X sometimes" is really fucking annoying.
posted by HopperFan at 1:33 PM on April 28, 2009 [4 favorites]


Wow, I've been desperate, but never that desperate.

Listen here, whippersnapper. Back in the day being a dark room tech was the only way you could learn to do color seps yourself. Me, I specialized in indexed seps. You know, keyline and rubylith masks and spot screens and everything.

Now just out of spite I'm going to choke your C plate by a few clicks and spread your Y plate a little. Lookin' a little green there, pardner. You ok? Hey, you signed off on the proofs!

Also, it was pretty good money above and beyond doing typesetting and layouts and manual seps and whatnot. Film used to be soooo expensive, especially since we had a giant 40-80" horizontal-axis graphics camera about 25 feet long with a lump of Nikkor glass the size of your head as the primary. Few shops ever had a camera that big in-house.
posted by loquacious at 1:36 PM on April 28, 2009 [1 favorite]


I guess I should hold back on some future questions, such as...

"Why do white guys prefer tits, and black guys prefer ass?"

METAFILTER NEEDS TO OPEN UP A CHATFILTER SECTION.
posted by sixcolors at 1:36 PM on April 28, 2009 [3 favorites]


But I'm a little confused how a question that could be construed as offensive to a group of people--yet not explicitly being so--could result in this much hand-wringing and a callout, while a thread that is explicitly and proudly hateful and offensive to another group of people is replayed yet again on this site.

I'd rather not have anything noxious and alienating. But why do we allow some of it?


Isn't your axe sharp enough yet from all that grinding? Concern-troll elsewhere.
posted by dersins at 1:37 PM on April 28, 2009 [2 favorites]


It's fucking hot out guys, get in some shade, have a cold drink and I suggest a cold pasta salad for supper.
posted by Divine_Wino at 1:38 PM on April 28, 2009


Pony: I ask that the mods allow sixcolors to post a question every 24 hours.
posted by studentbaker at 1:39 PM on April 28, 2009 [22 favorites]


> This whole "Look how in the know I am, Z used to post as Y, but also as X sometimes" is really fucking annoying.

Oh, I don't know. Online discourse is obviously not real life, but would you enjoy a costume party where a few people left several times and then came back with different masks on and then tried to have conversations with people as if they had never been there? Perhaps some might find it thrilling, but if the point of the party was to have a kind of egalitarian discourse where identity/status didn't matter, then it would seem that those changelings would be acting in a deviant way.

I think there is merit to this so-called "Brand New Day" thing, but if people come back with a different username but act in the same obnoxious way that caused people to react strongly against them then perhaps their secret identities don't deserve an inordinate amount of concealment.
posted by Burhanistan at 1:40 PM on April 28, 2009 [7 favorites]


Pony: I ask that the mods allow sixcolors to post a question every 24 hours.

Man, I would COME!!!!
posted by sixcolors at 1:41 PM on April 28, 2009


> METAFILTER NEEDS TO OPEN UP A CHATFILTER SECTION.

Are you going to answer my question upthread or just fling more poo?
posted by Burhanistan at 1:41 PM on April 28, 2009


Isn't your axe sharp enough yet from all that grinding? Concern-troll elsewhere.
posted by dersins at 3:37 PM on April 28


Pointing out that hateful speech is unfortuantely tolerated in other areas is axe-grinding and "concern-trolling"? Is that intended to be a substantive response or is ad hominem all you were aiming for?
posted by dios at 1:42 PM on April 28, 2009 [1 favorite]


Close it up.
posted by Divine_Wino at 1:42 PM on April 28, 2009 [3 favorites]


But I'm a little confused how a question that could be construed as offensive to a group of people--yet not explicitly being so--could result in this much hand-wringing and a callout, while a thread that is explicitly and proudly hateful and offensive to another group of people is replayed yet again on this site.

It's ok to hate Texas.
posted by The Light Fantastic at 1:43 PM on April 28, 2009 [3 favorites]




Burhanistan,

I can't really tell you why. My guess is generational divide and plain conflict of personalities and values.
posted by sixcolors at 1:44 PM on April 28, 2009 [1 favorite]


sixcolors: "METAFILTER NEEDS TO OPEN UP A CHATFILTER SECTION."

IT HAS.

HOPE YOU ENJOY IT. DON'T ASK ABOUT THE BUNNY PICTURES BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW.
posted by Joe Beese at 1:44 PM on April 28, 2009


MetaFilter: No, we don't.
posted by DU at 1:45 PM on April 28, 2009 [1 favorite]


Pointing out that hateful speech is unfortuantely tolerated in other areas is axe-grinding and "concern-trolling"? Is that intended to be a substantive response or is ad hominem all you were aiming for?

And when did you stop beating your wife, anyway?
posted by shmegegge at 1:46 PM on April 28, 2009 [3 favorites]


I've been particpating in online communities for the last five years, about a 12. This is the only site I have been universally hated for this long. There were two other sites where I didn't get along, but after 6 months or so we grew to accept each other.
posted by sixcolors at 1:47 PM on April 28, 2009


Metachat, despite the name, is not chat.metafilter.com. I cannot emphasize this enough.
posted by box at 1:47 PM on April 28, 2009 [13 favorites]


And when did you stop beating your wife, anyway?

Oh my. This post has taken an interesting turn.
posted by sixcolors at 1:48 PM on April 28, 2009


METAFILTER NEEDS TO OPEN UP A CHATFILTER SECTION.

Man, I would COME!!!!


So, no. You've needed for a long time now to close up your chatfilter instincts. We've basically asked you to do it a bunch of times. I had to ask you to do it again, today, in the green. And now you're basically starting it up again in here, and, jesus christ, enough. Benefit of the doubt gone, patience expended, hope you got something out of your time here, game over.

Drop us a line in a couple years if you get this social interaction stuff figured out and want to give the site another shot.

Everybody, you don't have to go home but you can't stay here.
posted by cortex (staff) at 1:49 PM on April 28, 2009 [171 favorites]


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