Design Brief: "We aren’t partial to any color..." (but we fear the Blue) October 3, 2009 5:08 PM   Subscribe

Found through this question: Metafilter's own GiveWell wants to change their look. Wonder if any of you talented MeFi web designers want to make them a nice *blue* homepage.
posted by Methylviolet to MetaFilter-Related at 5:08 PM (91 comments total)

Metafilter's own GiveWell

Eww.
posted by cashman at 5:16 PM on October 3, 2009


It's good to see most of the proposals using a professional white background.
posted by mr_crash_davis mark II: Jazz Odyssey at 5:17 PM on October 3, 2009 [1 favorite]


Isn't it time to drop this subject and let people move on with their lives?
posted by 517 at 5:52 PM on October 3, 2009 [9 favorites]


Oh for fuck's sakes.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 5:52 PM on October 3, 2009


Isn't it time to drop this subject and let people move on with their lives?

Why yes it is. Time and gone time by my count.
posted by nola at 5:56 PM on October 3, 2009


I'd give them an overwhelmingly brown design.
posted by Pronoiac at 5:58 PM on October 3, 2009


Astroturf green.
posted by availablelight at 6:08 PM on October 3, 2009 [1 favorite]


Good for them. Their old design needs a rest before it goes and does something stupid.
posted by CKmtl at 6:25 PM on October 3, 2009


This feels a little like excessive following these folks around.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 6:35 PM on October 3, 2009 [9 favorites]


I heard some GiveWell dude on NPR once. He said some reasonable things. So I banned NPR.
posted by mullacc at 6:39 PM on October 3, 2009 [1 favorite]


Isn't it time to ... let people move on with their lives?

GiveWell, maybe. But not Rusty Bottoms from Pretty Flowers.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 6:40 PM on October 3, 2009 [1 favorite]




Well yes, why not close it up then.
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 7:08 PM on October 3, 2009




I just ate about 4 kilograms of sushi.
posted by Burhanistan at 7:13 PM on October 3, 2009


Burhanistan: "I just ate about 4 kilograms of sushi."

What kind?
posted by boo_radley at 7:32 PM on October 3, 2009


I've been thinking of nothing but amaebi for days.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 7:45 PM on October 3, 2009


Mostly a bunch of rolls with various bits. Plus some sushi + salmon. All made in a friend's home who invited people over to raise some cash for the Sumatra quake victims.
posted by Burhanistan at 7:48 PM on October 3, 2009


Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnd scene.
posted by CitrusFreak12 at 7:58 PM on October 3, 2009


This feels a little like excessive following these folks around.

Sure, and maybe this has come off as even more mean-spirited than I intended. If anyone ever deserved the MetaFilter's Own tag, they do, and web-designers are almost as thick on the ground here as librarians... so I thought some might enjoy the same nostalgic schadenfreude.

When I saw them on that 99Designs site linked in AskMe, it gave me a chortle. Crowd-sourcing your corporate branding seems to be on the same spectrum of flailing cluelessness as the astroturfing they did here. But I'm not a designer -- maybe that's just me.
posted by Methylviolet at 7:58 PM on October 3, 2009 [1 favorite]


I've been thinking of nothing but amaebi for days.

I always thought the plural was amoebas or amoebae, but I just wanted to say that I hope that your microbial thoughts weren't from any health concerns.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 8:08 PM on October 3, 2009


Am I allowed to hate that 99 designs site? People really work for free in the hope someone will choose them? Yeah, I know, I'm certainly free to not participate, and I won't. But I wish I could eat half a dozen cookies and only pay for the one I like best.
posted by maxwelton at 8:40 PM on October 3, 2009 [3 favorites]


No, she hasn't been thinking about more than one amoeba, she's been thinking about more than one amaebus. Whatever that is.
posted by nebulawindphone at 8:48 PM on October 3, 2009


mefi never forgets.
posted by empath at 9:18 PM on October 3, 2009


more than one amaebus. Whatever that is.

A male amoeba?
A protean public transportation vehicle?
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 9:47 PM on October 3, 2009


This callout (or whatever it is) sucks and is gross.
posted by KokuRyu at 10:09 PM on October 3, 2009 [1 favorite]


I had something like $60 worth of omakase tonight and I'm still hungry and now I have to go to the store to buy food. But I had sea urchin for the first time. It tastes like the ocean in the best sense of the phrase.
posted by Bookhouse at 10:19 PM on October 3, 2009


Just hijacking this thread for an alphabet game. Look at me, look at me! Alphabet game!
posted by not_on_display at 10:27 PM on October 3, 2009 [1 favorite]


Kid, chill out
posted by wheelieman at 10:42 PM on October 3, 2009


LOLDEN KARNOFSKY
posted by scody at 10:51 PM on October 3, 2009 [1 favorite]


Must we?
posted by BitterOldPunk at 10:58 PM on October 3, 2009


Not again!
posted by The Light Fantastic at 11:07 PM on October 3, 2009


Oh yes!
posted by little e at 11:08 PM on October 3, 2009


Putzburger sauce in your freeway HOV lane and the userbase salad flying,
posted by Burhanistan at 11:26 PM on October 3, 2009


Quit fucking around.
posted by PeterMcDermott at 11:50 PM on October 3, 2009


Racism thread, anyone? Not enough outrage in this one.
posted by cj_ at 12:03 AM on October 4, 2009


Shibbolethist bastard!
posted by Burhanistan at 12:23 AM on October 4, 2009


This is delightful. Eating sushi for charity? Sign me up for sainthood!
posted by Saydur at 12:29 AM on October 4, 2009


UGH! an alphabet thread.
posted by Cranberry at 1:15 AM on October 4, 2009


I hope that your microbial thoughts weren't from any health concerns.

In case you're not joking, amaebi is shrimp.
posted by ryanrs at 1:17 AM on October 4, 2009


Oh, this is an alphabet thread. I hate those.
posted by ryanrs at 1:17 AM on October 4, 2009


You broke it, dude, and I don't know the rules. Does the next comment revert to "V", or does that mean it's "P" now?
posted by little e at 1:19 AM on October 4, 2009


or did I just make it Z and am I now making it P again I'm so confused
posted by little e at 1:21 AM on October 4, 2009


Plough on from whichever ridiculous letter we've been catapaulted to, I think.
posted by the latin mouse at 1:26 AM on October 4, 2009


Question: am I doing it right?
posted by Netzapper at 1:40 AM on October 4, 2009


Right enough, I suppose.
posted by BitterOldPunk at 1:42 AM on October 4, 2009


She's an expert at pleasuring the Davy Crockett.
posted by little e at 1:50 AM on October 4, 2009


Tater Time!
posted by Duke999R at 2:00 AM on October 4, 2009


Ultimately, everything is about taters.
posted by Jofus at 2:02 AM on October 4, 2009


Voraciously apprehended deep-fried tempura-battered whole shrimp. AND sticky-sweet nigiri. Dualistic ambrosia from the sea.Urrglegurg.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 2:55 AM on October 4, 2009


Wait... what?
posted by Netzapper at 3:12 AM on October 4, 2009


This, we do not need.
posted by !Jim at 3:29 AM on October 4, 2009


This feels a little like excessive following these folks around.

Why? They scammed people and lied about other charities, which were doing legitimate non-profit work. Givewell's board was almost entirely unapologetic about doing this. There was no indication this policy had changed when the board put the individuals who did this back in charge.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 3:32 AM on October 4, 2009 [7 favorites]


Peter Singer (famous and controversial ethicist) came to Australia some time ago, and was sort of accidentally promoting Givewell and I said "wait, what?" and sent him the link to the original metafilter thread and gushed something like, "hey, those Givewell people upset those Metafilter people by being unethical, you probably don't know about this," and he replied (!) and said something like, yeah, I knew, storm in a teacup, far as I'm concerned or something like that. Not exactly but close enough.

I love that I can email famous people and have them reply. Thanks Metafilter, for indulging a psychosis I didn't know I had.
posted by b33j at 3:44 AM on October 4, 2009


Xylophone is a word used almost exclusively to get to the next letter in MeFi alphabet threads. This is a little-known fact.
posted by dg at 4:03 AM on October 4, 2009


You cheater.
posted by little e at 4:22 AM on October 4, 2009


Zeus! This was an alphabet thread and I spent my time rabbiting on. oops.
posted by b33j at 4:32 AM on October 4, 2009


[Psst. It's really an asciibet thread.]
posted by Netzapper at 4:40 AM on October 4, 2009


\me doesn't approve of ascii

Struggling here
posted by cj_ at 5:07 AM on October 4, 2009


No, wait, I got it:

\x61\x6c\x70\x68\x61\x62\x65\x74\x20\x74\x68\x72\x65\x61\x64\x20\x67\x6f
posted by cj_ at 5:10 AM on October 4, 2009


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posted by the latin mouse at 5:30 AM on October 4, 2009 [2 favorites]


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posted by the latin mouse at 5:35 AM on October 4, 2009


Listen, you bozos. (and, do you mind if I call you bozos?)

You are doing everything here completely wrong.

1) You are not supposed to talk about GiveWell anymore.
2) Alphabet threads are illegal.

It's like the perfect storm of wrongness in here, so I think I will just close this up now.
posted by Meatbomb at 5:50 AM on October 4, 2009 [1 favorite]


Peter Singer (famous and controversial ethicist) came to Australia some time ago, and was sort of accidentally promoting Givewell

That's sort of funny, since there was an Australian "Givewell" before MeFi's own was even a glimmer in young Holden's eye.

Peter Singer is also a wack job.
posted by fourcheesemac at 5:56 AM on October 4, 2009


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posted by cj_ at 6:13 AM on October 4, 2009


wack or whack?
posted by b33j at 6:15 AM on October 4, 2009 [1 favorite]


cj_:
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Say what?
Via.
posted by b33j at 6:17 AM on October 4, 2009


no problem, mouse. kudos to whoever breaks this.
posted by XQUZMYFUR at 6:23 AM on October 4, 2009


Blazecock Pileon: Why?

Because GiveWell didn't exactly bring out the best in the community.
posted by Kattullus at 6:40 AM on October 4, 2009 [3 favorites]


> Say what?

.
posted by cj_ at 8:07 AM on October 4, 2009


Yeah, as charitable organizations go, Givewell isn't very good at bringing out the best in people.

Holy shit, is this Big Daddy Kane's 'Lean on Me' video? I'm housesitting for some pals with expensive cable tv, and this vh1 Soul is awesome! They just went from Cameo to Klymaxx to Kane.
posted by box at 8:13 AM on October 4, 2009


Wait a minute, Club Nouveau? What type of crap is that? I guess I'll go take the dogs for a walk.
posted by box at 8:17 AM on October 4, 2009


Because GiveWell didn't exactly bring out the best in the community.
posted by Kattullus at 6:40 AM on October 4


Are you kidding? An unethical, concentrated campaign of astroturfring and misinformation was brought down by some of MeFi's finest. Who knows how long Karnofsky and Givewell would have done it if he hadn't been caught here? As it stands, Givewell is basically just a scam for Karnofsky and friends to earn an easy paycheck while doing no work. Fuck him, and fuck Givewell. The fact that they're now requesting unpaid spec work is pretty much to be expected from them.
posted by Optimus Chyme at 9:38 AM on October 4, 2009 [13 favorites]


There are always meetups, but has there been a mob-up yet? Matt can sell us some Metafilter torches and we can mob-up all over the world...
posted by anniecat at 10:31 AM on October 4, 2009 [1 favorite]


Why are we--self included--wasting our time on this?
posted by dirtynumbangelboy at 1:30 PM on October 4, 2009


Rats! I missed the alphabet thread. . . *sigh
posted by garnetgirl at 1:41 PM on October 4, 2009


Favorite this comment and I kill you last.
posted by Burhanistan at 1:48 PM on October 4, 2009


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posted by not_on_display at 2:01 PM on October 4, 2009


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posted by jessamyn (staff) at 2:12 PM on October 4, 2009


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posted by not_on_display at 4:17 PM on October 4, 2009


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posted by jessamyn (staff) at 5:02 PM on October 4, 2009


Get a room.
posted by Burhanistan at 5:10 PM on October 4, 2009


OK OK, here is the video so everyone can enjoy it. the song, not us getting a room....
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 5:25 PM on October 4, 2009


Maybe I'm an old softie, but I think it's sweet.
posted by box at 5:26 PM on October 4, 2009


Posting a Metatalk that GiveWell is trying too get its web pages done on spec is entirely appropriate given that GiveWell's entire premise and operation is "on spec":

* they sprung into existence asking established charities to spend time and effort filling out forms and providing GiveWell information in order to rate those charities, on the hope that GiveWell would, at some unspecified future time, pick a few of those charities to direct funds to, while at the same time,

* asking givers to give to GiveWell on the promise that, at some unspecified future time, GiveWell would in fact rate charities and redirect their donors' contributions, and that

* given enough contributions, GiveWell would, at some unspecified future time, be able to provide that rating and redirection service, beyond just providing paid sinecures for its founders, who

* while currently lacking any experience or expertise in rating charities, might, at some unspecified future time, acquire it.

Indeed, how did Holden decide to get publicity for GiveWell -- by coming on this site and getting it for free by his clever Astroturfing.

So it's no surprise at all that GiveWell is now extending that philosophy to its operations. Once again, GiveWell has said that it can't provide anything -- not even a web presence -- without asking that lots of people and organizations give it something, on faith and in hope that maybe they'll get something of value for their work and contributions.

And indeed, I guess that if everyone had just trusted Holden Karnofsky -- after all, he went to a good school, and knows all the right people in finance and in media, and he worked for a hedge fund when the cash was flowing -- if everyone just trusted Golden Boy Holden and gave him their money, or filled out Holden's forms, and gave Holden a free web-site do-over, maybe after some years, Holden, recipient of all that free or on spec work, eventually might produce some value-added. Maybe.

So once again, Holden's asking that we trust him, and work for him for free, in the hopes that, surely this last bit of effort will free him up to make his contributions.

Entirely appropriate Metatalk, because it shows that once again, GiveWell's trying to make it a charity contribution gatekeeper -- but only if everyone else will chip in to build the gate.
posted by orthogonality at 6:54 PM on October 4, 2009 [9 favorites]


Optimus Chyme: Are you kidding? An unethical, concentrated campaign of astroturfring and misinformation was brought down by some of MeFi's finest. Who knows how long Karnofsky and Givewell would have done it if he hadn't been caught here? As it stands, Givewell is basically just a scam for Karnofsky and friends to earn an easy paycheck while doing no work. Fuck him, and fuck Givewell. The fact that they're now requesting unpaid spec work is pretty much to be expected from them.

Just because I support the ends doesn't mean I have to endorse the means. In fact, that's the same logical flaw that allows GiveWell to exist. Charities are good, better charities are better and therefore any way of making charities better is good. But that doesn't mean that an organization like GiveWell is a good idea. Similarly, criticizing GiveWell and publicizing their unethical behavior is a good thing but that doesn't mean that all ways of going about that are good.
posted by Kattullus at 7:22 PM on October 4, 2009


Similarly, criticizing GiveWell and publicizing their unethical behavior is a good thing but that doesn't mean that all ways of going about that are good.

oh my god a thread on the internet discussing givewell's latest shady practices....it is truly we who are the monsters......

we have stared into the abyss and it has stared back into us.....
posted by Optimus Chyme at 9:51 PM on October 4, 2009


No, no. The trick is to turn your back on the abyss and pretend it isn't there while all the while it eats away at your inmost core and leaves you feeling refreshed and empty.
posted by Burhanistan at 10:04 PM on October 4, 2009


My god those designs are pedestrian.
posted by delmoi at 2:00 AM on October 5, 2009


Optimus Chyme: oh my god a thread on the internet discussing givewell's latest shady practices....it is truly we who are the monsters......

we have stared into the abyss and it has stared back into us.....


Hah! I know, right… talking about the latest annoying thing GiveWell does, have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?

I suppose I should've been more specific. I wasn't talking about this thread in isolation but what took place in the original GiveWell thread and when mobs form in MetaTalk in general. I don't think that anybody came out of the GiveWell affair with their dignity intact. Not that I'm equating MetaFilter with GiveWell morally (GiveWell is a moral black hole, MetaFilter is my home in cyberspace).
posted by Kattullus at 6:27 AM on October 5, 2009


As the Tirpitz to the Bismark.
posted by buzzman at 10:10 AM on October 5, 2009


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