My Little NSFW Pony December 17, 2009 2:42 PM Subscribe
Would it be possible for posts that have the NSFW tag to be marked as such automatically on the front page?
It looks like I was not the only one to click the link on this post without looking at the tags first.
It's true that the majority of the time, people are good about marking such links, and it's also true that the post was tagged. We were not unwarned. But the design of the site makes it easy not to check the tags, and the fact that people are usually good about it makes people complacent. So, on the principle of designing around how people behave rather than how they ought to behave, how about if the text of a post with the NSFW tag was prepended with [NSFW] on the front page?
It's probably not a great number of people that are affected, but it is a high risk if someone does click the wrong thing at the wrong time. An appropriately-placed [NSFW] mark could save someone a job.
It looks like I was not the only one to click the link on this post without looking at the tags first.
It's true that the majority of the time, people are good about marking such links, and it's also true that the post was tagged. We were not unwarned. But the design of the site makes it easy not to check the tags, and the fact that people are usually good about it makes people complacent. So, on the principle of designing around how people behave rather than how they ought to behave, how about if the text of a post with the NSFW tag was prepended with [NSFW] on the front page?
It's probably not a great number of people that are affected, but it is a high risk if someone does click the wrong thing at the wrong time. An appropriately-placed [NSFW] mark could save someone a job.
the post was tagged. We were not unwarned.
I know you're playing devil's advocate against your own position, but ... I usually don't read every tag in a long list of tags before clicking a link.
posted by Jaltcoh at 2:51 PM on December 17, 2009
I know you're playing devil's advocate against your own position, but ... I usually don't read every tag in a long list of tags before clicking a link.
posted by Jaltcoh at 2:51 PM on December 17, 2009
Sounds like a good idea. Although generally the expectation is that the link get described as NSFW next to it. I don't know that tagging as NSFW is normal.
posted by smackfu at 2:53 PM on December 17, 2009
posted by smackfu at 2:53 PM on December 17, 2009
(Maybe the NSFW tag was added later, after people complained, since you can't edit your post but you can add tags.)
posted by smackfu at 2:57 PM on December 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by smackfu at 2:57 PM on December 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
I'm sure pb can whip up an algorhythm that checks each link to see if it contains NSFW content, then marks each link accordingly. Right, pb?
Status update: davejay was just destroyed by the force of pb's head exploding
posted by davejay at 3:06 PM on December 17, 2009
Status update: davejay was just destroyed by the force of pb's head exploding
posted by davejay at 3:06 PM on December 17, 2009
Just assume everything is NSFW. I never follow the links, or read the comments. I just make snide remarks and leave.
posted by blue_beetle at 3:10 PM on December 17, 2009 [6 favorites]
posted by blue_beetle at 3:10 PM on December 17, 2009 [6 favorites]
Of course the funny part is that if this were to be instituted on MeTa, this post would be marked.
posted by darksasami at 3:13 PM on December 17, 2009
posted by darksasami at 3:13 PM on December 17, 2009
I strongly agree. At the absolute minimum, the NSFW tag should appear in a different color or something so it doesn't get lost within the list of tags.
posted by desjardins at 3:14 PM on December 17, 2009
posted by desjardins at 3:14 PM on December 17, 2009
Agreed.
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 3:14 PM on December 17, 2009
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 3:14 PM on December 17, 2009
I added, and will always add, a NSFW notation to the post if it's warranted and someone lets me know.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 3:15 PM on December 17, 2009
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 3:15 PM on December 17, 2009
Thanks, Jessamyn, I appreciate that. Still, though, the horse has been gone from the barn for nearly six hours. The first complaint was at just over the 1 hour mark. An automated system would have remedied the situation whenever the tag was added, in all likelihood at the posting time.
Perhaps, in addition, "Unmarked NSFW" could be a default flag?
posted by darksasami at 3:22 PM on December 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
Perhaps, in addition, "Unmarked NSFW" could be a default flag?
posted by darksasami at 3:22 PM on December 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
People really need to just email us. I've been home all day. Automating this seems to me to be
1. overkill
2. a chance for people to add a NSFW tag and then get a NSFW annotation on a post that doesn't merit it
3. inexact, in the case of a multi link post with one or two NSFW links
The FAQ is pretty clear, you click links on MeFi at your own risk and we try decently hard to make those links marked but they won't always be.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 3:24 PM on December 17, 2009 [9 favorites]
1. overkill
2. a chance for people to add a NSFW tag and then get a NSFW annotation on a post that doesn't merit it
3. inexact, in the case of a multi link post with one or two NSFW links
The FAQ is pretty clear, you click links on MeFi at your own risk and we try decently hard to make those links marked but they won't always be.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 3:24 PM on December 17, 2009 [9 favorites]
My Little NSFW Pony
Don't be a tease. Let's see it.
posted by gman at 3:24 PM on December 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
Don't be a tease. Let's see it.
posted by gman at 3:24 PM on December 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
Hi. That was my post. I did, in fact, add the NSFW tag much later. Because I honestly had no idea that people would have gone all OH MY GOD CHILD PORN on that link. Their naughty dirty evil dangly bits are obscured and they are not in any way in a sexual position. I assumed everyone would find it as funny as I did. Rarely have I ever misjudged the tenor of this website so much. Thanks for adding the notation, jessamyn, and protecting the populace from the suggested holiday nudity.
posted by ColdChef at 3:26 PM on December 17, 2009 [6 favorites]
posted by ColdChef at 3:26 PM on December 17, 2009 [6 favorites]
Always click everything at your own risk.
posted by hermitosis at 3:28 PM on December 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by hermitosis at 3:28 PM on December 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
I do want to clarify, ColdChef, that I am in no way saying OH MY GOD CHILD PORN. I am saying, and in particular said at the time, OH MY GOD NAKED CHILDREN AT WORK IS MY BOSS WHO COULD MISUNDERSTAND CATASTROPHICALLY LOOKING. Only more succinctly.
posted by darksasami at 3:30 PM on December 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by darksasami at 3:30 PM on December 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
Fair enough. But by some of the comments on the post, you'd think the kids were spreadeagle and littered with tinsel.
Hey, I have an idea for this guy's card next year.
posted by ColdChef at 3:32 PM on December 17, 2009 [2 favorites]
Hey, I have an idea for this guy's card next year.
posted by ColdChef at 3:32 PM on December 17, 2009 [2 favorites]
This is not Reddit. Around these parts we assume most people can read.
posted by chillmost at 3:38 PM on December 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by chillmost at 3:38 PM on December 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
When I browse Metafilter at work I never click videos and I drop into the thread and read the first few comments. If it is going to be dodgy it is either clear from the comments or there are screams for a NSFW notice. I then favourite the ones I want to go back to later from the comfort of my own home. I then forget to check them. Also, sometimes I work from home which can be very confusing for me.
posted by Elmore at 3:40 PM on December 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by Elmore at 3:40 PM on December 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
I've also noticed that by doing my work - checking for weird IT problems - I'm ending up more frequently at Askme - which is a heartening. You think Metafilter can be NSFW, try expert sexchange.
posted by Elmore at 3:42 PM on December 17, 2009
posted by Elmore at 3:42 PM on December 17, 2009
ColdChef But by some of the comments on the post. . .
What the fuck?
posted by mlis at 3:49 PM on December 17, 2009
What the fuck?
posted by mlis at 3:49 PM on December 17, 2009
Eh, MeFi is blocked at work along with Twitter, Facebook, porn, sports, Ebay, Gmail and a whole bunch of other sites so put me in the 'meh' camp.
posted by fixedgear at 3:57 PM on December 17, 2009
posted by fixedgear at 3:57 PM on December 17, 2009
Could we just have a checkbox or something? Then we'd be spared the indignity of having to put NSFW in brackets next to links with text that should quite adequately allow people to make their own judgment, because apparently some people are going to click on it and be surprised regardless.
posted by Artw at 4:02 PM on December 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by Artw at 4:02 PM on December 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
coldchef i think you invented reverse sanctimony
posted by boo_radley at 4:09 PM on December 17, 2009
posted by boo_radley at 4:09 PM on December 17, 2009
Artw, I don't think it's fair to say that "FedEx Kinkos Won’t Print Our Christmas Card" implies "Pictures of naked children."
posted by darksasami at 4:12 PM on December 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by darksasami at 4:12 PM on December 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
coldchef i think you invented reverse sanctimony
Would that be "dirtimony"?
posted by darksasami at 4:13 PM on December 17, 2009
Would that be "dirtimony"?
posted by darksasami at 4:13 PM on December 17, 2009
well uh strictly speaking i guess the portmanteau would be blasphemony probably.
posted by boo_radley at 4:17 PM on December 17, 2009 [3 favorites]
posted by boo_radley at 4:17 PM on December 17, 2009 [3 favorites]
I only check tags after I've read the post to see if there is anything clever or funny I am missing. Had I actually read tags first I would have saved myself a tiny bit of embarrassment recently. Now, I still think it was a silly chatfilter google linkfest, but at least it would have been a silly chatfilter google linkfest that made sense had I read the tags.
I would also like to point out I've made it months without any snark out of the gate, and yes, I am proud of that.
2. a chance for people to add a NSFW tag and then get a NSFW annotation on a post that doesn't merit it
I can maybe, almost, sort of see doing this to one of your contacts as a joke, but I can't think of a reason why someone would do the above.
posted by cjorgensen at 4:17 PM on December 17, 2009
I would also like to point out I've made it months without any snark out of the gate, and yes, I am proud of that.
2. a chance for people to add a NSFW tag and then get a NSFW annotation on a post that doesn't merit it
I can maybe, almost, sort of see doing this to one of your contacts as a joke, but I can't think of a reason why someone would do the above.
posted by cjorgensen at 4:17 PM on December 17, 2009
Could we just have a checkbox or something? Then we'd be spared the indignity of having to put NSFW in brackets next to links with text that should quite adequately allow people to make their own judgment, because apparently some people are going to click on it and be surprised regardless.
You know there will be Meta threads complaining 'cause people forgot to check the box, right?
I'm not sure why this was issue for this post. The second paragraph mentioned naked people so it seems pretty obvious where it was going, what with the KINKOS WON'T PRINT OUR SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE CHRISTMAS CARDS.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 4:18 PM on December 17, 2009 [2 favorites]
You know there will be Meta threads complaining 'cause people forgot to check the box, right?
I'm not sure why this was issue for this post. The second paragraph mentioned naked people so it seems pretty obvious where it was going, what with the KINKOS WON'T PRINT OUR SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE CHRISTMAS CARDS.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 4:18 PM on December 17, 2009 [2 favorites]
I am totally making christmas cards that feature only a snowflake and the words "YOU'RE SPECIAL" so I can silently guffaw at the recipients.
posted by desjardins at 4:25 PM on December 17, 2009 [4 favorites]
posted by desjardins at 4:25 PM on December 17, 2009 [4 favorites]
Never mind the special snowflakes, it's their naked graupel that made this post happen.
posted by Elmore at 4:27 PM on December 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by Elmore at 4:27 PM on December 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
Full disclosure: at least two of my more recent Christmas cards have featured nude kids.
posted by ColdChef at 4:28 PM on December 17, 2009
posted by ColdChef at 4:28 PM on December 17, 2009
Artw, I don't think it's fair to say that "FedEx Kinkos Won’t Print Our Christmas Card" implies "Pictures of naked children."
TBH I was thinking more of some of my own posts where it should be blindingly obvious (1, 2) and yet I still have to put the silly parentheses in because I know someone will complain otherwise, either because they are overactive in clicking on things or overactive in complaining about things.
posted by Artw at 4:30 PM on December 17, 2009
TBH I was thinking more of some of my own posts where it should be blindingly obvious (1, 2) and yet I still have to put the silly parentheses in because I know someone will complain otherwise, either because they are overactive in clicking on things or overactive in complaining about things.
posted by Artw at 4:30 PM on December 17, 2009
Well Kinkos wouldn't print the close up photo of my cock and balls which had a festive "May the Bells of Christmas Ring Out" surrounding them for some stuck up-fucked up reason. I even used default shadowing on the font - it didn't make them look bigger, but I think it made them look more important.
posted by Elmore at 4:43 PM on December 17, 2009
posted by Elmore at 4:43 PM on December 17, 2009
Artw: Oh. Uh. Wow. Yeah. Those really are kinda obvious, huh?
That does kind of blow holes in the "people can read" thing.
posted by darksasami at 4:59 PM on December 17, 2009
That does kind of blow holes in the "people can read" thing.
posted by darksasami at 4:59 PM on December 17, 2009
It's all safe for my work.
Elmore, pls send holiday card, tx
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 5:02 PM on December 17, 2009
Elmore, pls send holiday card, tx
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 5:02 PM on December 17, 2009
ColdChef: "Full disclosure: at least two of my more recent Christmas cards have featured nude kids."
Har, har.
posted by boo_radley at 5:03 PM on December 17, 2009
Har, har.
posted by boo_radley at 5:03 PM on December 17, 2009
jessamyn is great about adding NSFW to posts - not terribly long ago there was an ask.me that was about finding a print of a nsfw picture. i emailed jessamyn and i want to say it took less than 10 minutes for it to get a notation in the post.
the system as is works fine. no reason to automate. use common sense, read comments before clicking on links. if you get to a post before there are comments, wait ten minutes.
posted by nadawi at 5:14 PM on December 17, 2009
the system as is works fine. no reason to automate. use common sense, read comments before clicking on links. if you get to a post before there are comments, wait ten minutes.
posted by nadawi at 5:14 PM on December 17, 2009
Flagged as ColdChef.
All I can say is that your next post about stiffs better involve dead people.
On the other hand, that's probably not a good idea, either.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 5:15 PM on December 17, 2009
All I can say is that your next post about stiffs better involve dead people.
On the other hand, that's probably not a good idea, either.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 5:15 PM on December 17, 2009
I usually don't read every tag in a long list of tags before clicking a link.
I never read the tags at all. But here's what I don't get: How do you think to yourself "this needs a NSFW tag" without also thinking "and it should go right next to the NSFW link"?
(Also, that link wasn't NSFW.)
posted by DU at 5:16 PM on December 17, 2009
I never read the tags at all. But here's what I don't get: How do you think to yourself "this needs a NSFW tag" without also thinking "and it should go right next to the NSFW link"?
(Also, that link wasn't NSFW.)
posted by DU at 5:16 PM on December 17, 2009
use common sense, read comments before clicking on links
Definitely do this. It's easy and probably won't incur the wrath of one's HR manager.
Basically, if you see a post about a major corporation refusing a customer's request, you can basically assume it involves something controversial, like Hitler or death or sex, all of which are probably within the realms of NSFW, if one works where NSFW holds purchase.
So, don't click on the links in those cases. Problem solved.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 5:28 PM on December 17, 2009
Definitely do this. It's easy and probably won't incur the wrath of one's HR manager.
Basically, if you see a post about a major corporation refusing a customer's request, you can basically assume it involves something controversial, like Hitler or death or sex, all of which are probably within the realms of NSFW, if one works where NSFW holds purchase.
So, don't click on the links in those cases. Problem solved.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 5:28 PM on December 17, 2009
ColdChef: I didn't personally find it to be beyond the pale for an FPP, and neither did the mods apparently...I thought it was a little creepy, but nothing worse. Maybe just adding the nudity warning into the original text of the post would've been enough for most people...?
This isn't Reddit or Fark, and I don't feel like it's very often at all that I click anything here and wish that I didn't in an NSFW sense, so as long as we're not going to start considering soft porn to be good FPP material I really don't see the need to create policy for this. Just two pennies from yours truly...
P.S.- If this is what you think is a good or funny Xmas card, please let me forget to remind you of my mailing address... :)
posted by rollbiz at 5:33 PM on December 17, 2009
This isn't Reddit or Fark, and I don't feel like it's very often at all that I click anything here and wish that I didn't in an NSFW sense, so as long as we're not going to start considering soft porn to be good FPP material I really don't see the need to create policy for this. Just two pennies from yours truly...
P.S.- If this is what you think is a good or funny Xmas card, please let me forget to remind you of my mailing address... :)
posted by rollbiz at 5:33 PM on December 17, 2009
Encouraging reading comments before clicking on links seems to me a great way to encourage responding to comments before clicking on links. And people for whom anything is SFW don't pick up on what people in other types of workplaces might get fired for (or Jessamyn would have marked the link when she read it), so in all likelihood someone has to get burned in order for an email to go to the mods.
DU, the link was definitely NSFW. NSFW stands for "Not Safe For Work," not "Rated X." When you're in an office with a couple thousand other people, any one of whom might be an uptight busybody, having a picture of a naked boy on your screen is extremely unsafe.
And BP, I actually assumed that the problem was going to be religion, and extraordinarily egregious, like perhaps they were refusing to print "Happy Holidays" because they were ultrafundies. I was taken rather by surprise.
posted by darksasami at 5:34 PM on December 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
DU, the link was definitely NSFW. NSFW stands for "Not Safe For Work," not "Rated X." When you're in an office with a couple thousand other people, any one of whom might be an uptight busybody, having a picture of a naked boy on your screen is extremely unsafe.
And BP, I actually assumed that the problem was going to be religion, and extraordinarily egregious, like perhaps they were refusing to print "Happy Holidays" because they were ultrafundies. I was taken rather by surprise.
posted by darksasami at 5:34 PM on December 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
use common sense, read comments before clicking on links
Also this, in general. There doesn't have to be less than clothed people involved to make it a good practice to not blindly click on links pretty much anywhere on the web.
posted by rollbiz at 5:35 PM on December 17, 2009
Also this, in general. There doesn't have to be less than clothed people involved to make it a good practice to not blindly click on links pretty much anywhere on the web.
posted by rollbiz at 5:35 PM on December 17, 2009
Encouraging reading comments before clicking on links seems to me a great way to encourage responding to comments before clicking on links.
something that should also be solved by good ole self-control. skim the comments to see if it's safe, click on links, come back and discuss. it is on the person at work to browse appropriately, not on the people of the internet to make things SFW for you (the general you, not only you).
posted by nadawi at 5:41 PM on December 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
something that should also be solved by good ole self-control. skim the comments to see if it's safe, click on links, come back and discuss. it is on the person at work to browse appropriately, not on the people of the internet to make things SFW for you (the general you, not only you).
posted by nadawi at 5:41 PM on December 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
using this post as an example - waiting two minutes and reading only the first comment would have been all the clue you needed.
posted by nadawi at 5:43 PM on December 17, 2009
posted by nadawi at 5:43 PM on December 17, 2009
When it was just a baby I tried everything to get it to wear pants. Heck, overalls, or heckmore, even swim trunks, but nothing worked. The Internet is a nudist.
posted by carsonb at 5:48 PM on December 17, 2009
posted by carsonb at 5:48 PM on December 17, 2009
b-b-but I thought this holiday was s'posed to be all about naked boys surrounded by wild animals.
posted by at the crossroads at 5:53 PM on December 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by at the crossroads at 5:53 PM on December 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
I cried a bit when I found out that Kinkos wouldn't print Brandon Blatcher's "Special Snowflake" cards, because, you know, that's ANOTHER YEAR OF MY LIFE I WILL HAVE TO GO WITHOUT A BRANDON BLATCHER CHRISTMAS CARD! He makes me so sad. Why am I the guy who gets left out year after year? Screw that Blatcher guy.
Also, I finally clicked the link in question, against my better judgment, fully expecting to see something I couldn't unsee, something I would hold against ColdChef forever, something to do with cups, and I really don't get the NSFW tag. Seriously, WHERE DO YOU PEOPLE WORK? Get better jobs.
Sorry, I have over 2,500 comments and I have never abused MY CAPS LOCK in this way (I promise). I also promise I won't do it again for at least another 2,500 comments.
I was all in favor of this pony request until I finally followed the link. Sorry, I am that asshole that commented without reading the links. I really try hard not to do this.
Oh, and I so totally know what my next FPP will be. Chances are it will be a double.
posted by cjorgensen at 5:56 PM on December 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
Also, I finally clicked the link in question, against my better judgment, fully expecting to see something I couldn't unsee, something I would hold against ColdChef forever, something to do with cups, and I really don't get the NSFW tag. Seriously, WHERE DO YOU PEOPLE WORK? Get better jobs.
Sorry, I have over 2,500 comments and I have never abused MY CAPS LOCK in this way (I promise). I also promise I won't do it again for at least another 2,500 comments.
I was all in favor of this pony request until I finally followed the link. Sorry, I am that asshole that commented without reading the links. I really try hard not to do this.
Oh, and I so totally know what my next FPP will be. Chances are it will be a double.
posted by cjorgensen at 5:56 PM on December 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
or Jessamyn would have marked the link when she read it
I read it when it came up in MeTa. I'm aware that some people are at workplaces where looking at certain images may get them fired. It is the position of MetaFilter LLC that those people should take extra care when surfing MeFi from work because not every NSFW link will be marked NSFW. This is in the faq.
And I don't want to get terribly nitpicky, but the above-the-fold part of that blog post isn't actually NSFW. If you read the text that comes before the images it is clear that the card in question has photos of naked children. It could be maybe assumed that those photos wouldn't be seen after a little more scrolling, but I saw the word naked before I saw the actual naked. We add NSFW because we're trying to be decent to people with less accomodating workplaces, but I do feel that in some more edge cases [like this one] it's a lot more of a courtesy and a lot less of a necessity.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 6:01 PM on December 17, 2009 [5 favorites]
I read it when it came up in MeTa. I'm aware that some people are at workplaces where looking at certain images may get them fired. It is the position of MetaFilter LLC that those people should take extra care when surfing MeFi from work because not every NSFW link will be marked NSFW. This is in the faq.
And I don't want to get terribly nitpicky, but the above-the-fold part of that blog post isn't actually NSFW. If you read the text that comes before the images it is clear that the card in question has photos of naked children. It could be maybe assumed that those photos wouldn't be seen after a little more scrolling, but I saw the word naked before I saw the actual naked. We add NSFW because we're trying to be decent to people with less accomodating workplaces, but I do feel that in some more edge cases [like this one] it's a lot more of a courtesy and a lot less of a necessity.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 6:01 PM on December 17, 2009 [5 favorites]
Man, I had a huge long-winded argument for why an "unflagged NSFW" flag would be helpful, but on preview I saw "It is the position of MetaFilter LLC", and you never, ever talk back to an "It is the position of" from a service provider. Never. Bad things happen. So, uh, thanks for your time.
posted by darksasami at 6:38 PM on December 17, 2009 [2 favorites]
posted by darksasami at 6:38 PM on December 17, 2009 [2 favorites]
and you never, ever talk back to an "It is the position of" from a service provider
But you're a special snowflake, go for it!
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 6:50 PM on December 17, 2009
But you're a special snowflake, go for it!
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 6:50 PM on December 17, 2009
The only acceptable position for a special snowflake is melted.
posted by Sidhedevil at 7:01 PM on December 17, 2009
posted by Sidhedevil at 7:01 PM on December 17, 2009
Oh, God, that reminded me of the student I had who thought Hoagy Carmichael and Stokely Carmichael were the same person.
posted by Sidhedevil at 7:02 PM on December 17, 2009
posted by Sidhedevil at 7:02 PM on December 17, 2009
Full disclosure: at least two of my more recent Christmas cards have featured nude kids.
Cold Chef, I enjoyed seeing the evolution of your family through CD mix covers.
posted by not that girl at 7:06 PM on December 17, 2009
Cold Chef, I enjoyed seeing the evolution of your family through CD mix covers.
posted by not that girl at 7:06 PM on December 17, 2009
yeah darksasami, I'm not trying to be a pain about it. It's just that this is one of those situations where something that is a problem for you isn't really a problem for the site in a large enough way to make the hassle of a big change worth it in the long run. If there had been a ton of people here in the thread [or that thread] saying "yes this is a feature that is badly needed!" this might have gone a different way, but without some sort of terrific hue and cry, the way things work now seems to work for most everyone.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 7:10 PM on December 17, 2009
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 7:10 PM on December 17, 2009
terrific hue and cry (for 80s Scottish pop values of terrific)
posted by Abiezer at 7:44 PM on December 17, 2009
posted by Abiezer at 7:44 PM on December 17, 2009
Never having had an office job (knock on wood), I'm afraid I don't quite understand the need for NSFW. I mean, sure, big ol' cocks on your work PC, yeah, I get how that might maybe perhaps be a bit of a problem. But, like, y'know, isn't a site like MeFi kind of a—no offense—huge waste of time? Shouldn't these OMGMYBOSSFOUNDTITTIES types maybe try to, oh, I don't know, get back to doing some, like, work or something? Or at least just get really good at Solitaire?
posted by Sys Rq at 7:58 PM on December 17, 2009
posted by Sys Rq at 7:58 PM on December 17, 2009
You know, if there was a NSFW flag set by a checkbox then it could be used to filter NSFW posts out of the homepage view. Might be useful for folks who just don't want to see them at all at work, especially given the "per computer" nature of the cookie based preferences.
posted by Artw at 8:04 PM on December 17, 2009
posted by Artw at 8:04 PM on December 17, 2009
Artw: You can't masturbate while waiting for something to compile? Where do you work, a convent?
posted by qvantamon at 8:56 PM on December 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by qvantamon at 8:56 PM on December 17, 2009 [1 favorite]
Shouldn't these OMGMYBOSSFOUNDTITTIES types maybe try to, oh, I don't know, get back to doing some, like, work or something?
No. Once you start regularly working and being productive they'll expect that shit all the time.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 9:06 PM on December 17, 2009 [3 favorites]
No. Once you start regularly working and being productive they'll expect that shit all the time.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 9:06 PM on December 17, 2009 [3 favorites]
Because I don't say this as often as I would like: Both ArtW and Blazecock Pileon are 100% entirely correct here.
posted by klangklangston at 11:03 PM on December 17, 2009
posted by klangklangston at 11:03 PM on December 17, 2009
Artw: Oh. Uh. Wow. Yeah. Those really are kinda obvious, huh?
That does kind of blow holes in the "people can read" thing.
Well, I should point out that as I put the NSFW warnings on them no one complained about any lack of NSFW warnings. However, had I not then I am 100% someone would, because apparently sometimes people here think "Photos of Maralyn Monroe naked having a wank, that's sure to be entirely free of sex and nudity" and then get all upset when they are wrong.
posted by Artw at 11:29 PM on December 17, 2009
That does kind of blow holes in the "people can read" thing.
Well, I should point out that as I put the NSFW warnings on them no one complained about any lack of NSFW warnings. However, had I not then I am 100% someone would, because apparently sometimes people here think "Photos of Maralyn Monroe naked having a wank, that's sure to be entirely free of sex and nudity" and then get all upset when they are wrong.
posted by Artw at 11:29 PM on December 17, 2009
jessamyn writes "Elmore, pls send holiday card, tx"
Did a mod just solicite a, um, ... Man I've never been so glad the image tag is disabled.
posted by Mitheral at 3:03 AM on December 18, 2009
Did a mod just solicite a, um, ... Man I've never been so glad the image tag is disabled.
posted by Mitheral at 3:03 AM on December 18, 2009
An automated system would have remedied the situation whenever the tag was added, in all likelihood at the posting time.
Adding or removing anything to our posts without a specific request is not how things are done around here. Thank the gods and moderators. This is a good thing.
When you're in an office with a couple thousand other people, any one of whom might be an uptight busybody, having a picture of a naked boy on your screen is extremely unsafe.
Uhh, not extremely, no. I've got plenty of co-workers with little kids who share vacation photos (and I do work in a fairly conservative office). Baby butt is more not-safe-for-biological-clock than not-safe-for-work.
posted by desuetude at 6:28 AM on December 18, 2009
Adding or removing anything to our posts without a specific request is not how things are done around here. Thank the gods and moderators. This is a good thing.
When you're in an office with a couple thousand other people, any one of whom might be an uptight busybody, having a picture of a naked boy on your screen is extremely unsafe.
Uhh, not extremely, no. I've got plenty of co-workers with little kids who share vacation photos (and I do work in a fairly conservative office). Baby butt is more not-safe-for-biological-clock than not-safe-for-work.
posted by desuetude at 6:28 AM on December 18, 2009
This post made me realize that I had never once considered looking at the tags before following a link. I do, however, regularly read the comments before clicking the link, and make a judgment based on that. I rarely experience this as a temptation to post without RTFA. The ways of other people are an endless source of fascination.
posted by OmieWise at 6:39 AM on December 18, 2009
posted by OmieWise at 6:39 AM on December 18, 2009
Sys Rq:
Never having had an office job (knock on wood), I'm afraid I don't quite understand the need for NSFW. I mean, sure, big ol' cocks on your work PC, yeah, I get how that might maybe perhaps be a bit of a problem. But, like, y'know, isn't a site like MeFi kind of a—no offense—huge waste of time? Shouldn't these OMGMYBOSSFOUNDTITTIES types maybe try to, oh, I don't know, get back to doing some, like, work or something? Or at least just get really good at Solitaire?
First of all I am super jealous. Second of all see the sick leave thread on the FP for a vivid description of how work actually works in an office environment. Sometimes people's industries are seasonal and things slow down. However, you still need to be around and available should the people involved in the one or two things you are actually working on need to contact you during normal 9-5 business hours. Which is intensely frustrating.
Also I feel that the sudden embarrassment of NSFW content is sort of its own teacher about the need for caution when link clicking.
posted by edbles at 7:45 AM on December 18, 2009
Never having had an office job (knock on wood), I'm afraid I don't quite understand the need for NSFW. I mean, sure, big ol' cocks on your work PC, yeah, I get how that might maybe perhaps be a bit of a problem. But, like, y'know, isn't a site like MeFi kind of a—no offense—huge waste of time? Shouldn't these OMGMYBOSSFOUNDTITTIES types maybe try to, oh, I don't know, get back to doing some, like, work or something? Or at least just get really good at Solitaire?
First of all I am super jealous. Second of all see the sick leave thread on the FP for a vivid description of how work actually works in an office environment. Sometimes people's industries are seasonal and things slow down. However, you still need to be around and available should the people involved in the one or two things you are actually working on need to contact you during normal 9-5 business hours. Which is intensely frustrating.
Also I feel that the sudden embarrassment of NSFW content is sort of its own teacher about the need for caution when link clicking.
posted by edbles at 7:45 AM on December 18, 2009
Could someone make the NSFW tag in a different color? Is that possible? It's pretty easy to pick out in a long list of other tags.
posted by Melismata at 8:19 AM on December 18, 2009
posted by Melismata at 8:19 AM on December 18, 2009
That's a pretty easy thing for someone with greasemonkey chops to build, not something we're likely to implement sitewide.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 8:30 AM on December 18, 2009
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 8:30 AM on December 18, 2009
ColdChef : holiday nudity
Challenge Accepted! (Though my coworkers are going to hate you; I am not a pretty man.)
posted by quin at 8:52 AM on December 18, 2009
Challenge Accepted! (Though my coworkers are going to hate you; I am not a pretty man.)
posted by quin at 8:52 AM on December 18, 2009
Tags aren't visible on the front page, whereas links are clickable from there. A simple NSFW warning beside the link is much preferred and vastly more useful than a NSFW tag, whatever its color. Besides, tags are supposed to reflect the topic and subject matter of the post, not the suitability of the content.
I also don't get the backlash to this request. If someone thinks an image or link is NSFW it's not their opinion on the offensiveness of the content, and it doesn't equate to them being prudish. Metafilter is normally very considerate to the concerns of its users, and sitewide conventions on what is considered racism or sexism reflect this. Why not have the same consideration for users' concerns over what is NSFW?
I think an "Unmarked NSFW Link" flag would be the best solution to easily bring these situations to the mods' attention.
posted by rocket88 at 9:15 AM on December 18, 2009 [1 favorite]
I also don't get the backlash to this request. If someone thinks an image or link is NSFW it's not their opinion on the offensiveness of the content, and it doesn't equate to them being prudish. Metafilter is normally very considerate to the concerns of its users, and sitewide conventions on what is considered racism or sexism reflect this. Why not have the same consideration for users' concerns over what is NSFW?
I think an "Unmarked NSFW Link" flag would be the best solution to easily bring these situations to the mods' attention.
posted by rocket88 at 9:15 AM on December 18, 2009 [1 favorite]
Not that anyone's asking, but I find the NSFW tag irritating and patronizing overall. I'm not going to lobby for its removal, but I would be bothered by anything that makes it tacitly mandatory for nudity or sexuality.
posted by serazin at 10:59 AM on December 18, 2009
posted by serazin at 10:59 AM on December 18, 2009
Just read the FPP text. If you're still in doubt, click into the comments and look at the tags. That should cover your bases 99% of the time. If for some reason someone made an FPP linking to a gallery of a GWAR afterparty, replete with nudity, giant foam phalli spewing green fluids, a few sheep, and a local politician wearing nothing but a tube sock, but the text was something like "It's that time of year again" and the only tag was "tube_sock", no one will begrudge you publicly yelling at that person inthread.
posted by Marisa Stole the Precious Thing at 1:51 PM on December 18, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by Marisa Stole the Precious Thing at 1:51 PM on December 18, 2009 [1 favorite]
When you make a post like that, don't rely on the tag, put the NSF moniker into the post. People do forget though and making it automatic with the tag is kind of cool because otherwise you have to bug the mods to edit the post. I hate to bother them with crap, but this is the sort of thing that you shouldn't hesitate to call on them for.
posted by caddis at 10:32 PM on December 18, 2009
posted by caddis at 10:32 PM on December 18, 2009
I kinda reckon this argument has some legs.
Once, when I was very drunk. I postulated on MeTa that perhaps MeFites should avoid swearing unless it was absolutely necessary. Clearly this wasn't going to happen, but my logic was that a number of people browse MeFi at work (and we like that as a thing) and my experience of work related barriers was that they involved swearword detectors that could count, and it seemed unfair to block someone from a thread because there were too many swears in a given thread. Bearing in mind how these things work, they probably would have blocked the site rather than the thread,
So, you know, as a thing to keep people involved, Be creative in your insults and inform the world of potential NSFW material. It the kindest thing to do and it's good for MeFi
posted by Sparx at 1:39 AM on December 20, 2009
Once, when I was very drunk. I postulated on MeTa that perhaps MeFites should avoid swearing unless it was absolutely necessary. Clearly this wasn't going to happen, but my logic was that a number of people browse MeFi at work (and we like that as a thing) and my experience of work related barriers was that they involved swearword detectors that could count, and it seemed unfair to block someone from a thread because there were too many swears in a given thread. Bearing in mind how these things work, they probably would have blocked the site rather than the thread,
So, you know, as a thing to keep people involved, Be creative in your insults and inform the world of potential NSFW material. It the kindest thing to do and it's good for MeFi
posted by Sparx at 1:39 AM on December 20, 2009
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posted by darksasami at 2:43 PM on December 17, 2009