Mefi Soccer/Football Manager February 14, 2011 8:49 AM Subscribe
Anyone have any experience with Soccer Manager? Given many of us harbored Pro Vercelli dreams and are squaring off in fantasy EPL Land, I thought it might be fun to take things to a new venue.
I've only started phutzing around with Soccer Manager, but would be willing to spring for a Custom World for Mefites to play in should we have enough interest. It'd be free for everyone else. We'd likely do the English league which would cover teams from Premier on down to League 2.
I've only started phutzing around with Soccer Manager, but would be willing to spring for a Custom World for Mefites to play in should we have enough interest. It'd be free for everyone else. We'd likely do the English league which would cover teams from Premier on down to League 2.
I'm totally down. I just started with Football Manager and am obsessed.
posted by josher71 at 10:31 AM on February 14, 2011
posted by josher71 at 10:31 AM on February 14, 2011
Not into the football enough to do anything more than feebly support FC St Pauli from around the world. However if anyone else plays the analogous OUT OF THE PARK BASEBALL I would totally be into an online league.
posted by jtron at 10:46 AM on February 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by jtron at 10:46 AM on February 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
I did not know about this game before now. I'm not sure I will thank you for revealing my doom to me.
posted by Errant at 11:01 AM on February 14, 2011
posted by Errant at 11:01 AM on February 14, 2011
Productivity? Free time? Pshaw! This sounds much better. I'm totally up for this.
posted by Kattullus at 11:04 AM on February 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by Kattullus at 11:04 AM on February 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
The baseball one sounds awesome but I only have time for one completely immersive experience where my players trash me in the press.
"YOU BET YOUR SWEET ASS YOU'RE ON THE TRANSFER LIST!"
posted by josher71 at 11:27 AM on February 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
"YOU BET YOUR SWEET ASS YOU'RE ON THE TRANSFER LIST!"
posted by josher71 at 11:27 AM on February 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
I know I should run away from this thread, given my attempts to kick my FM habit in recent weeks. However... I am not running away. I would love to be in on this.
posted by stennieville at 12:21 PM on February 14, 2011
posted by stennieville at 12:21 PM on February 14, 2011
Cool. If we can get 10 or so people to start, I'll begin the process of creating a gameworld. We can add more folks as the turns progress, no problem.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 2:32 PM on February 14, 2011
posted by robocop is bleeding at 2:32 PM on February 14, 2011
Not entirely ashamed to say that I play OOTP.
posted by milkrate at 2:39 PM on February 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by milkrate at 2:39 PM on February 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
This looks like fun, and I look forward to competing with other human managers.
posted by Dr. Zira at 3:13 PM on February 14, 2011
posted by Dr. Zira at 3:13 PM on February 14, 2011
Dearest josher71,
had a look at them fantasy EPL scores lately? *ahem*
1337 to 1197
just sayin'
posted by juv3nal at 3:33 PM on February 14, 2011
had a look at them fantasy EPL scores lately? *ahem*
1337 to 1197
just sayin'
posted by juv3nal at 3:33 PM on February 14, 2011
I'm in. Good thing the one day a month I check the grey was the day this got posted!
posted by jackflaps at 4:32 PM on February 14, 2011
posted by jackflaps at 4:32 PM on February 14, 2011
I have failed so utterly in that EPL game, two generations of ancestors have phoned me from beyond the grave to say, "Pbbbbbbt."
posted by Errant at 4:44 PM on February 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by Errant at 4:44 PM on February 14, 2011 [1 favorite]
I would probably have joined the EPL game, except I wasn't a Mefi member back when the season started. Interested in dabbling in any leagues that are set up.
posted by philipy at 6:16 PM on February 14, 2011
posted by philipy at 6:16 PM on February 14, 2011
OK, I'm in. (How does this actually work? Is it like Football Manager?)
posted by Infinite Jest at 4:49 AM on February 15, 2011
posted by Infinite Jest at 4:49 AM on February 15, 2011
Yeah, it's like Football Manager, except games are run twice a week and you can trade/buy players from real opponents in addition to computer controlled ones. I've been fiddling with West Ham in a free gameworld and so far it's pretty similar to FM, even taking in to account my sub-Avram skills.
Looks like between Meta and MeFight we have tripped the 10, so I'll start creating the world. I'll drop a line to those who have stated their interest. There's still plenty of room for others, so it's not too late to join. If you have friends of quality who are interested, I'm sure there's space for them too (although I do quiver a bit at Kattullus' Run Of Play connections).
posted by robocop is bleeding at 4:53 AM on February 15, 2011
Looks like between Meta and MeFight we have tripped the 10, so I'll start creating the world. I'll drop a line to those who have stated their interest. There's still plenty of room for others, so it's not too late to join. If you have friends of quality who are interested, I'm sure there's space for them too (although I do quiver a bit at Kattullus' Run Of Play connections).
posted by robocop is bleeding at 4:53 AM on February 15, 2011
Okay, and we're up. Just create an account than seek to join Gameworld 60998. There's an app process (It was easier than needing to email each person separately), so just let me know who you are and I'll approve you ASAP.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 5:18 AM on February 15, 2011
posted by robocop is bleeding at 5:18 AM on February 15, 2011
Yep.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 5:47 AM on February 15, 2011
posted by robocop is bleeding at 5:47 AM on February 15, 2011
As my team has been taken already, is it ethical to pick a local rival and DRIVE THEM INTO THE DIRT!
posted by handybitesize at 5:57 AM on February 15, 2011
posted by handybitesize at 5:57 AM on February 15, 2011
Alright, my third choice was Arsenal, so I went for it (damn my sloth for not just going straight for Sunderland). I fully expect to lead the Gunners to an ignominious mid-table finish.
posted by Kattullus at 5:58 AM on February 15, 2011
posted by Kattullus at 5:58 AM on February 15, 2011
Also, please drop me a PM (Or MeMail) so I know who you are. I'm unsure what the app process looks like, so all I see is names.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 5:58 AM on February 15, 2011
posted by robocop is bleeding at 5:58 AM on February 15, 2011
handybitesize: As my team has been taken already, is it ethical to pick a local rival and DRIVE THEM INTO THE DIRT!
Only if you cackle madly the whole time. That said, the danger of taking on a team you don't care for in a game like this is suddenly finding yourself with conflicted feelings. Don't let a hate so sweet go to waste over a mere game.
posted by Kattullus at 6:04 AM on February 15, 2011
Only if you cackle madly the whole time. That said, the danger of taking on a team you don't care for in a game like this is suddenly finding yourself with conflicted feelings. Don't let a hate so sweet go to waste over a mere game.
posted by Kattullus at 6:04 AM on February 15, 2011
Oh man, I hope we get a Mefite on Chelsea soon. There's a small army of dudes just applying for it left and right. One even PM'd me stating his love of Torres, which was perhaps a poor choice.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:24 AM on February 15, 2011
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:24 AM on February 15, 2011
For those who are interested in the baseball thing, OOTP12 is getting released in a month or so and allegedly has an easy-to-set-up online league gimmick. Pre-ordered mine today, it's ten bucks off plus they're giving away an iPad with the iPad version of the game... once the new version is officially out I'll post here and on MeFight again to gauge interest. If you haven't played it, I think they are still giving away OOTP8 for free on their site...
Also, I dibs the A's or the Cubs, league depending :p
Pepsi Blueball?
posted by jtron at 9:01 AM on February 15, 2011
Also, I dibs the A's or the Cubs, league depending :p
Pepsi Blueball?
posted by jtron at 9:01 AM on February 15, 2011
I'm confused... every time I tried to apply to manage a team, I was told it was already taken. But I seem to have become manager of Man City somehow anyway.
posted by philipy at 10:57 AM on February 15, 2011
posted by philipy at 10:57 AM on February 15, 2011
Yeah, the application feature is kind of wonky. So far, the taken teams are:
Arsenal
Birmingham
Liverpool
Man City
Man United
Newcastle
Sunderland
Tottenham
and
Kidderminster
posted by robocop is bleeding at 11:23 AM on February 15, 2011
Arsenal
Birmingham
Liverpool
Man City
Man United
Newcastle
Sunderland
Tottenham
and
Kidderminster
posted by robocop is bleeding at 11:23 AM on February 15, 2011
Whoever went for Kidderminster is my new hero.
Ok, I'm applying, and I have no idea if I'm doing it right.
posted by Errant at 11:42 AM on February 15, 2011
Ok, I'm applying, and I have no idea if I'm doing it right.
posted by Errant at 11:42 AM on February 15, 2011
By the way, I hadn't seen that Pro Vercelli series yet, and it's fantastic. Thanks for the pointer.
posted by Errant at 6:50 PM on February 15, 2011
posted by Errant at 6:50 PM on February 15, 2011
Is there an in-game forum for Metafilter premier? That is, a forum associated with the gameworld on soccermanager.com?
posted by Kattullus at 3:06 AM on February 16, 2011
posted by Kattullus at 3:06 AM on February 16, 2011
Got my team selection ready for the first game tomorrow, made my first transfer bid. Looking forward to this.
posted by Infinite Jest at 4:17 AM on February 16, 2011
posted by Infinite Jest at 4:17 AM on February 16, 2011
There's the 'Newspaper' (under the Gameworld tab on the left) which allows you to write articles. I have not messed around with it much yet. It doesn't look like they have message threads, though.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 4:30 AM on February 16, 2011
posted by robocop is bleeding at 4:30 AM on February 16, 2011
Posted a news article to see what it's like - maybe we could look into a free bulletin board service? Or use the MeFight thread?
Teams Still Available (Premiership): Villa, Blackburn, Blackpool, Bolton, Stoke, West Brom, West Ham, Wigan, and Wolves.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 4:38 AM on February 16, 2011
Teams Still Available (Premiership): Villa, Blackburn, Blackpool, Bolton, Stoke, West Brom, West Ham, Wigan, and Wolves.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 4:38 AM on February 16, 2011
Oh glory! Anyone can write Newspaper articles! Let the mind games begin! And silliness. Let that begin as well.
posted by Kattullus at 4:47 AM on February 16, 2011
posted by Kattullus at 4:47 AM on February 16, 2011
Heh. Liked your article, Kattullus. Or should I say Arsène?
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:22 AM on February 16, 2011
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:22 AM on February 16, 2011
Just out of curiousity, philipy, since you have Man Citeh, how is the morale of Tevez? I'm just trying to get my head around how the game scores morale. I know it has something to do with exhaustion, but I'm curious if they factor in real life stuff.
posted by Dr. Zira at 9:55 AM on February 16, 2011
posted by Dr. Zira at 9:55 AM on February 16, 2011
Bah... I think it ate my news article on City. For some reason it keeps logging me out mid-session, and thinking I am managing Real Madrid in a trial game world.
how is the morale of Tevez?
I don't know what morale is either. I thought it was "Condition" that was to do with exhaustion. But poor Tevez' morale is only 57/100, while his condition is 97%. Yaya Toure is even more demoralized at 53/100 - God only knows why. His condition is 100%!
posted by philipy at 10:57 AM on February 16, 2011
how is the morale of Tevez?
I don't know what morale is either. I thought it was "Condition" that was to do with exhaustion. But poor Tevez' morale is only 57/100, while his condition is 97%. Yaya Toure is even more demoralized at 53/100 - God only knows why. His condition is 100%!
posted by philipy at 10:57 AM on February 16, 2011
Yeah, if you don't do anything, SM logs you out. That ate the first iteration of my article.
posted by Kattullus at 11:02 AM on February 16, 2011
posted by Kattullus at 11:02 AM on February 16, 2011
Rather, if you don't do anything for a while (i.e. don't click on anything) SM eventually will log you out. I think it's about 15 minutes, but I'm not sure.
posted by Kattullus at 11:03 AM on February 16, 2011
posted by Kattullus at 11:03 AM on February 16, 2011
Actually, your article has been posted, philipy.
posted by Kattullus at 11:07 AM on February 16, 2011
posted by Kattullus at 11:07 AM on February 16, 2011
Glad to see the Mefi Premier managers are, to the last, a totally sane and reasonable lot.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 11:22 AM on February 16, 2011
posted by robocop is bleeding at 11:22 AM on February 16, 2011
Hulk? You just did that so you could yell HULK SMASH at the screen during games.
I mean, besides that he's extremely good.
posted by Kattullus at 2:33 PM on February 16, 2011
I mean, besides that he's extremely good.
posted by Kattullus at 2:33 PM on February 16, 2011
The big thing is to imagine David N'gog mumbling "You wouldn't like me when I'm angry." before slowly sinking beneath the table. Suddenly, HULK bursts out roaring, knocking over chairs and dislodging the tablecloth, thus revealing David all curled up, snacking on a devil egg.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 3:28 PM on February 16, 2011
posted by robocop is bleeding at 3:28 PM on February 16, 2011
Worst possible week for me to leap in and say "I'm in!" (just very busy at work and also preparing for guests this weekend) but I will be joining all of you soon, quite soon.
May I ask a newb question re: soccermanager.com vs. Football Manager? I have been playing FM at home, local only, obsessively, for the last three months. In the game, I use my real name because I get bang out of seeing the press refer to me as such, and getting e-mails in my inbox saying "Gerard Houlier feels the two of you could be friends."
On a website like soccermanager.com though, I'm hesitant to use my real name. When the rest of you signed up, do you use your real name or an alias?
posted by stennieville at 3:54 PM on February 16, 2011
May I ask a newb question re: soccermanager.com vs. Football Manager? I have been playing FM at home, local only, obsessively, for the last three months. In the game, I use my real name because I get bang out of seeing the press refer to me as such, and getting e-mails in my inbox saying "Gerard Houlier feels the two of you could be friends."
On a website like soccermanager.com though, I'm hesitant to use my real name. When the rest of you signed up, do you use your real name or an alias?
posted by stennieville at 3:54 PM on February 16, 2011
OK, disregard my above post, I'm in and applied for Stevenage. Look out, Kidderminster! Comin' for ya!
posted by stennieville at 4:09 PM on February 16, 2011
posted by stennieville at 4:09 PM on February 16, 2011
Well, everybody else is playing Premier League teams. Whoever it was that had Kidderminster quit. It's awful lonely in a league of your own.
posted by Kattullus at 4:13 PM on February 16, 2011
posted by Kattullus at 4:13 PM on February 16, 2011
Yeah, Kidderminster should hopefully be coming back in the top flight soon. If you want to re-app, stennie, that's totally cool.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 4:46 AM on February 17, 2011
posted by robocop is bleeding at 4:46 AM on February 17, 2011
Glad to see the Mefi Premier managers are, to the last, a totally sane and reasonable lot.
You wrote that before I implemented my "buy New Zealand made" policy for Manchester United...
posted by Infinite Jest at 5:59 AM on February 17, 2011
You wrote that before I implemented my "buy New Zealand made" policy for Manchester United...
posted by Infinite Jest at 5:59 AM on February 17, 2011
Good luck in everyone's friendlies today. I say this only because I'm playing computer-controlled West Ham.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 11:30 AM on February 17, 2011
posted by robocop is bleeding at 11:30 AM on February 17, 2011
I am stupidly excited to see how my insane formation will play out against the titans of Colchester United.
posted by Errant at 11:50 AM on February 17, 2011
posted by Errant at 11:50 AM on February 17, 2011
Does anything interesting happen during the supposed game time?
posted by philipy at 12:03 PM on February 17, 2011
posted by philipy at 12:03 PM on February 17, 2011
If you want to re-app, stennie, that's totally cool.
I may do exactly that, especially since my lads at Villa Park are currently unspoken-for. I am a little overwhelmed by the site, though, it's not as intuitive as FM and it may take me a bit to come up to speed.
posted by stennieville at 12:03 PM on February 17, 2011
I may do exactly that, especially since my lads at Villa Park are currently unspoken-for. I am a little overwhelmed by the site, though, it's not as intuitive as FM and it may take me a bit to come up to speed.
posted by stennieville at 12:03 PM on February 17, 2011
I just noticed that the game world is set to "no managers sacked". Whee, 1-7-2 flying V, here we come!
I may do exactly that, especially since my lads at Villa Park are currently unspoken-for. I am a little overwhelmed by the site, though, it's not as intuitive as FM and it may take me a bit to come up to speed.
I'm pretty sure the first game is a friendly to help refine our noob understanding of things. Speaking of which: I just discovered that if you go to your squad list and re-up the contracts on short-timers you want to keep, their morale gets a big bump. Maybe other people knew that already, but I didn't. All my 1-years that I resigned jumped like 20 morale points, pretty cool.
posted by Errant at 12:11 PM on February 17, 2011
I may do exactly that, especially since my lads at Villa Park are currently unspoken-for. I am a little overwhelmed by the site, though, it's not as intuitive as FM and it may take me a bit to come up to speed.
I'm pretty sure the first game is a friendly to help refine our noob understanding of things. Speaking of which: I just discovered that if you go to your squad list and re-up the contracts on short-timers you want to keep, their morale gets a big bump. Maybe other people knew that already, but I didn't. All my 1-years that I resigned jumped like 20 morale points, pretty cool.
posted by Errant at 12:11 PM on February 17, 2011
resigned = re-signed, those are sort of different words.
posted by Errant at 12:19 PM on February 17, 2011
posted by Errant at 12:19 PM on February 17, 2011
Heh. Hulk's morale is at 98. "HULK LOVE YOU GUYS. HULK HAPPY JUST TO HANG OUT WITH YOU. HULK SMELL YOUR HAIR?"
posted by robocop is bleeding at 2:32 PM on February 17, 2011
posted by robocop is bleeding at 2:32 PM on February 17, 2011
Whichever of you is Alok Desai... beautiful roundup. Good job!
posted by Kattullus at 5:18 PM on February 17, 2011
posted by Kattullus at 5:18 PM on February 17, 2011
That's me, and may I take this opportunity to thank you for your ten "large hands" alternatives, in descending order of usefulness, from that Guardian MBM the other day. Fantastic stuff.
posted by Errant at 5:34 PM on February 17, 2011
posted by Errant at 5:34 PM on February 17, 2011
Thanks! Nothing quite like being in bed with a flu to provide time to come up with synonyms.
posted by Kattullus at 5:40 PM on February 17, 2011
posted by Kattullus at 5:40 PM on February 17, 2011
How long do transfer requests take to process? I was hoping to have a couple of new players for my first match against Blackpool, but that's yet to go through. Admittedly, it's been less than 24 hours (real time) since I made the offer.
posted by Kattullus at 5:00 AM on February 19, 2011
posted by Kattullus at 5:00 AM on February 19, 2011
I made a couple bids on the 17th, was informed on the 18th that the bids had been accepted, and then the players arrived on the 19th. So looks like a minimum of two days, assuming there isn't any renegotiation.
posted by Errant at 1:13 PM on February 19, 2011
posted by Errant at 1:13 PM on February 19, 2011
On a few pins and needles over our upcoming game against Stoke - I've had a team with a similar lead in quality lose in an alternate gameworld yesterday. And once word of Derby's loss got out, Argentina made me their manager.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 4:24 AM on February 20, 2011
posted by robocop is bleeding at 4:24 AM on February 20, 2011
It's a moot point today since I won't be near the internet when the fixture's being played, but for future reference: Is it possible to manage your team during the match or does soccermanager.com just generate a match report?
posted by Kattullus at 11:49 AM on February 20, 2011
posted by Kattullus at 11:49 AM on February 20, 2011
You can set in game instructions ( When losing by 2 at 70 minutes, sub in Messi ), but that's about it.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 11:55 AM on February 20, 2011
posted by robocop is bleeding at 11:55 AM on February 20, 2011
Yeah. Looking at the result, the only thing I would've done differently from my in-game instructions would've been to stand on the sidelines yelling "bloody just score a goal fucking already!"
And thanks again, Errant, for the bang-up write-up job.
posted by Kattullus at 2:39 PM on February 20, 2011
And thanks again, Errant, for the bang-up write-up job.
posted by Kattullus at 2:39 PM on February 20, 2011
I hope they're entertaining. I find myself poring over these results obsessively, possibly because I don't actually own Football Manager at the moment and I don't want to think about how silly Arsenal are, so I might as well do something interesting with the energy I'm wasting. Certainly doesn't preclude anyone from writing up their matches too, mind you!
On a related obsessive note, is anyone upgrading to Gold for the SMFA matches? Or, given my proclivities, I guess I should ask: is anyone else going to do so, besides me?
posted by Errant at 4:00 PM on February 20, 2011
On a related obsessive note, is anyone upgrading to Gold for the SMFA matches? Or, given my proclivities, I guess I should ask: is anyone else going to do so, besides me?
posted by Errant at 4:00 PM on February 20, 2011
I have Gold - it was a requirement for creating the custom world.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 5:00 PM on February 20, 2011
posted by robocop is bleeding at 5:00 PM on February 20, 2011
Not upgrading to Gold, tempting as it is. I'll be focusing on domestic competitions.
Also, is there any way to get a more granular breakdown of player performance than the marks out of ten and the game description?
posted by Kattullus at 5:31 PM on February 20, 2011
Also, is there any way to get a more granular breakdown of player performance than the marks out of ten and the game description?
posted by Kattullus at 5:31 PM on February 20, 2011
I don't want to think about how silly Arsenal are
You're just jealous because Tom Cruise isn't on your team, jumping up and down on your pitch.
posted by Dr. Zira at 8:10 PM on February 20, 2011
You're just jealous because Tom Cruise isn't on your team, jumping up and down on your pitch.
posted by Dr. Zira at 8:10 PM on February 20, 2011
He'd probably do better at defending against Leyton Orient than old man Squillaci did. Oh well, at least it's official: Leyton Orient are better than Barcelona, according to the transitive property.
posted by Errant at 8:28 PM on February 20, 2011
posted by Errant at 8:28 PM on February 20, 2011
What a clusterfuck of a match that was today. Junior varsity quality football. I couldn't tell if Squill was crying after he got hit in the face with the ball, or if that was just sweat.
posted by Dr. Zira at 8:37 PM on February 20, 2011
posted by Dr. Zira at 8:37 PM on February 20, 2011
Chamakh was horrible, Almunia was his usual terrifying self, Song couldn't make a tackle, Denilson couldn't make a fair one, and for some reason Wenger decided not to make a single substitution for the entire match. At least throw on Eboue and Clichy for the last few minutes, that way we'll look like we're playing with 11 men at least. Just the epitome of a big win hangover.
But, Rosicky scored with a header, which you can now mark off of your "Signs the Apocalypse is nigh" checklist. 4 more to go!
posted by Errant at 10:30 PM on February 20, 2011
But, Rosicky scored with a header, which you can now mark off of your "Signs the Apocalypse is nigh" checklist. 4 more to go!
posted by Errant at 10:30 PM on February 20, 2011
FIRST PLACE WOOOO
Is there any sort of guidance from the board in this thing on what your wage bill is and how much transfer money you get? I'm so used to managing my way up from the Blue Square leagues in FM that I don't know what to do without a suit telling me I need to sell half my players.
posted by jackflaps at 7:57 PM on February 21, 2011
Is there any sort of guidance from the board in this thing on what your wage bill is and how much transfer money you get? I'm so used to managing my way up from the Blue Square leagues in FM that I don't know what to do without a suit telling me I need to sell half my players.
posted by jackflaps at 7:57 PM on February 21, 2011
So now that we're into turn 2, you can go to "finances". In the "weekly expenditures" table, you should see the wage/grounds bill, which I'm assuming you need to have on hand every turn. I don't know whether you get gate receipts for away matches, but I'm assuming not. Maybe someone who had an away match first can weigh in?
This all adds up to one big pile of cash, basically. You draw wages, expenses, and transfer costs out of it, and you add gates, merch, tv/sponsor, and transfers payments into it. Unlike in FIFA 11 or some versions of FM, you don't have a wage bill cap or a transfer cap, other than what your chairman will allow you to expend on a player which is usually a ridiculously high sum, and those pools aren't separate.
I think probably the rule of thumb is to look at your weekly expenditures and try to keep a couple weeks worth of that on hand for a run of away games. I have no idea what happens if you go into the red, but I'm assuming it's not good. But as long as your expenses are a decent bit under your home income and you have an extra million or two lying around just in case, you're probably fine.
posted by Errant at 12:17 PM on February 22, 2011
This all adds up to one big pile of cash, basically. You draw wages, expenses, and transfer costs out of it, and you add gates, merch, tv/sponsor, and transfers payments into it. Unlike in FIFA 11 or some versions of FM, you don't have a wage bill cap or a transfer cap, other than what your chairman will allow you to expend on a player which is usually a ridiculously high sum, and those pools aren't separate.
I think probably the rule of thumb is to look at your weekly expenditures and try to keep a couple weeks worth of that on hand for a run of away games. I have no idea what happens if you go into the red, but I'm assuming it's not good. But as long as your expenses are a decent bit under your home income and you have an extra million or two lying around just in case, you're probably fine.
posted by Errant at 12:17 PM on February 22, 2011
No, you most certainly do not get receipts for gate matches which is why I'm kind of anxious to get a home match so I can see how much attendance power my new Gunners are going to draw.
posted by Dr. Zira at 12:18 PM on February 22, 2011
posted by Dr. Zira at 12:18 PM on February 22, 2011
[I meant to say, you don't get receipts for away matches].
posted by Dr. Zira at 12:19 PM on February 22, 2011
posted by Dr. Zira at 12:19 PM on February 22, 2011
When a Football Manager player applied for the Middlesborough job
posted by milkrate at 6:03 PM on February 23, 2011 [2 favorites]
posted by milkrate at 6:03 PM on February 23, 2011 [2 favorites]
Are any of you starting to confuse real life with Soccer Manager? I just saw the highlights of the Arsenal match today and instinctively fliched when I saw Jack Wilshere was on the pitch because my SM Jack Jack is injured and not due back until 2/28. Now I have the urge to check my SM Cesc's hamsting.
posted by Dr. Zira at 7:26 PM on February 23, 2011
posted by Dr. Zira at 7:26 PM on February 23, 2011
Yes... a number of Man City players are injured in real life but will be playing for me tonight.
And it was kinda funny when Patrick Vieira scored two goals for City in the FA Cup despite the fact he's no longer at the club in the gameworld.
What is even harder to remember than injuries are the differences in the capabilities of players in real life and in the game.
posted by philipy at 9:24 AM on February 24, 2011
And it was kinda funny when Patrick Vieira scored two goals for City in the FA Cup despite the fact he's no longer at the club in the gameworld.
What is even harder to remember than injuries are the differences in the capabilities of players in real life and in the game.
posted by philipy at 9:24 AM on February 24, 2011
Oh, hey, so that's what top of the table looks like.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 3:17 PM on February 24, 2011
posted by robocop is bleeding at 3:17 PM on February 24, 2011
Ha ha! Victory! Sweet victory! Of course, a draw against Avram Grant's West Ham would've been rather unacceptable.
posted by Kattullus at 3:36 PM on February 24, 2011
posted by Kattullus at 3:36 PM on February 24, 2011
Man, I totally forgot today was matchday, then I remembered who I was playing, then I gulped and opened the match report, which goes so agonizingly slowly when....
2-3! Up the Cottagers! Who are ya, who are ya, who are ya!
I don't mind telling you, my arms shot up of their own volition, to the bemusement of my co-workers.
posted by Errant at 5:20 PM on February 24, 2011 [1 favorite]
2-3! Up the Cottagers! Who are ya, who are ya, who are ya!
I don't mind telling you, my arms shot up of their own volition, to the bemusement of my co-workers.
posted by Errant at 5:20 PM on February 24, 2011 [1 favorite]
I liked the bit where I subbed off Scholes two minutes after he scored to make it 2-3. Also, it's apparent that Hamsik isn't really very good in this game.
That, or it's my tactics.
Congratulations Errant, well played sir.
posted by Infinite Jest at 8:12 AM on February 25, 2011
That, or it's my tactics.
Congratulations Errant, well played sir.
posted by Infinite Jest at 8:12 AM on February 25, 2011
Thank you, sir. I was frankly terrified when I saw the match preview. "So his three best players are... 96, 95, 95. Fuck. Fuck fuck fuck." I think I got pretty lucky, to be honest.
For what it's worth, I think Hamsik is good, I just think you subbed him into the defensive 2 of the 5-man midfield and didn't order him to make runs forward, which is where he's best. You've got such a crazy list of AMs, I would have switched to a formation that allowed 3 of them on at once and lined them up to make runs at me from every direction. Keep Scholes on, sub Hamsik for Fletcher, and switch to a 4-3-1-2 with Rooney and Berbatov up front, Hamsik in the hole, Nani and Giggs running outside, and the fullbacks pushing up, and you probably score a couple hundred times against my anti-football nonsense.
posted by Errant at 1:07 PM on February 25, 2011
For what it's worth, I think Hamsik is good, I just think you subbed him into the defensive 2 of the 5-man midfield and didn't order him to make runs forward, which is where he's best. You've got such a crazy list of AMs, I would have switched to a formation that allowed 3 of them on at once and lined them up to make runs at me from every direction. Keep Scholes on, sub Hamsik for Fletcher, and switch to a 4-3-1-2 with Rooney and Berbatov up front, Hamsik in the hole, Nani and Giggs running outside, and the fullbacks pushing up, and you probably score a couple hundred times against my anti-football nonsense.
posted by Errant at 1:07 PM on February 25, 2011
The angel on my shoulder wants to tell you that, hey, it's just the damn League Cup, and maybe this'll spur Arsenal forward to glory in competitions that matter more, and besides, this'll bring so much more joy to Birmingham, who haven't won anything since 1963. The demon on my shoulder says, you should definitely get trashed post haste and then start messing around with the tactics screen ahead of our clash tonight Metafilter Premier.
posted by Kattullus at 10:25 AM on February 27, 2011
posted by Kattullus at 10:25 AM on February 27, 2011
Haha, don't worry, I did that last night. I'm going to see what happens if you only field central midfielders. Oh, wait, I guess Arsenal already tried that.
posted by Errant at 10:30 AM on February 27, 2011
posted by Errant at 10:30 AM on February 27, 2011
Holy crap, Blackpool. Please point at the doll to show the court where Man City touched you.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 12:23 PM on February 27, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by robocop is bleeding at 12:23 PM on February 27, 2011 [1 favorite]
Should we all be officially scared of Manchester City now? Because I'm unofficially scared.
posted by Kattullus at 12:33 PM on February 27, 2011
posted by Kattullus at 12:33 PM on February 27, 2011
I think Man City is how Charlie Sheen imagines himself in his mind.
posted by Dr. Zira at 12:45 PM on February 27, 2011
posted by Dr. Zira at 12:45 PM on February 27, 2011
I really hope that was all of City's ordinance to the ground. Was that all of it? Please tell me that was all of it.
posted by Errant at 12:55 PM on February 27, 2011
posted by Errant at 12:55 PM on February 27, 2011
I'll admit to being slightly more invested in the League Cup final today than I would have been otherwise because of this game. My guys! Maybe I'll reward Martins by switching to a 4-1-2-1-2 and giving him a start.
posted by jackflaps at 1:21 PM on February 27, 2011
posted by jackflaps at 1:21 PM on February 27, 2011
I'm now officially scared of Charlie Sheen's mind.
However, as Man City manager, I will deploy my Tevez to the ground.
There's a new Forlan in town, and he's got an army of Dzekos.
Or something.
posted by philipy at 6:52 PM on February 27, 2011
However, as Man City manager, I will deploy my Tevez to the ground.
There's a new Forlan in town, and he's got an army of Dzekos.
Or something.
posted by philipy at 6:52 PM on February 27, 2011
So, uh, what happens if you have no money left in the bank?
My strikers seem to be pretty crap and I'm probably looking for another one, but good ones are expensive.
posted by WalterMitty at 7:24 PM on February 27, 2011
My strikers seem to be pretty crap and I'm probably looking for another one, but good ones are expensive.
posted by WalterMitty at 7:24 PM on February 27, 2011
They're taking a look at PL player rankings now, so keep your eye out for promotions and demotions!
posted by robocop is bleeding at 9:06 AM on March 3, 2011
posted by robocop is bleeding at 9:06 AM on March 3, 2011
what happens if you have no money left
The main option as far as I could see was to trade two not-so-hot players for one good one.
posted by philipy at 9:58 AM on March 3, 2011
The main option as far as I could see was to trade two not-so-hot players for one good one.
posted by philipy at 9:58 AM on March 3, 2011
Yup, the change just happened. I had a few changes, a number of plus and minus ones and one position change.
posted by Kattullus at 8:30 AM on March 5, 2011
posted by Kattullus at 8:30 AM on March 5, 2011
ARGH. How did I just tie with WBA?! I think Real Liverpool stole MetaPool's mojo.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 1:45 PM on March 6, 2011
posted by robocop is bleeding at 1:45 PM on March 6, 2011
I tied with Wolves, but they have acquired some mojo in real life too.
posted by philipy at 6:21 PM on March 6, 2011
posted by philipy at 6:21 PM on March 6, 2011
Woohoo! Equal on points to Manchester City! Sunderland! Sunderland! Black Cats! Black Cats! Wooooooooooo!
Who's up next?
Awwww fuck... Manchester United at Old Trafford! I guess I'll be resting *everyone* against Bury in the SMFA Cup.
posted by Kattullus at 7:23 PM on March 6, 2011
Who's up next?
Awwww fuck... Manchester United at Old Trafford! I guess I'll be resting *everyone* against Bury in the SMFA Cup.
posted by Kattullus at 7:23 PM on March 6, 2011
John Terry got hard done by, he got a red card against Everton - looks like the ref didn't get the memo about English players being able to get away with everything. I remember him actually trying to grab a red card from the ref in one (real-life) game when his teammate got sent off, but he didn't even get a 'naughty, naughty' from the FA. But his virtual representation got a red card for 'dissent' when he was playing against Everton in our league.
Hee hee.
posted by WalterMitty at 6:16 AM on March 7, 2011
Hee hee.
posted by WalterMitty at 6:16 AM on March 7, 2011
Katallus: don't worry, my (Man Utd) tactics suck. Although they're improving since I ditched the fancy stuff and went 4-4-2.
posted by Infinite Jest at 8:46 AM on March 7, 2011
posted by Infinite Jest at 8:46 AM on March 7, 2011
What happened to our roving reporter? I miss the Times coverage of the round!
Perhaps I'll write some kind of article, but my last attempt (after that Blackpool game) got eaten by the system.
posted by philipy at 10:03 AM on March 7, 2011
Perhaps I'll write some kind of article, but my last attempt (after that Blackpool game) got eaten by the system.
posted by philipy at 10:03 AM on March 7, 2011
Our roving reporter had to go get surgerized yesterday (nothing serious) and so was slightly unconscious. I'll get something up a little later today.
But speaking of sucking, not only can I not get a win, but Everton just nabbed two of my transfer targets, the bastards.
posted by Errant at 11:20 AM on March 8, 2011
But speaking of sucking, not only can I not get a win, but Everton just nabbed two of my transfer targets, the bastards.
posted by Errant at 11:20 AM on March 8, 2011
Looks like Man City got its oil wells working again.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 2:38 PM on March 8, 2011
posted by robocop is bleeding at 2:38 PM on March 8, 2011
slightly unconscious
Eeep. But you sound like you're fine now.
Looks like Man City got its oil wells working again.
Not exactly... but gotta keep the fans off my back after dropping points in the league and getting knocked out of the cup!
posted by philipy at 3:41 PM on March 8, 2011
Eeep. But you sound like you're fine now.
Looks like Man City got its oil wells working again.
Not exactly... but gotta keep the fans off my back after dropping points in the league and getting knocked out of the cup!
posted by philipy at 3:41 PM on March 8, 2011
Eeep. But you sound like you're fine now.
I am, thanks, just some dental surgery, no big deal.
posted by Errant at 4:04 PM on March 8, 2011
I am, thanks, just some dental surgery, no big deal.
posted by Errant at 4:04 PM on March 8, 2011
But speaking of sucking, not only can I not get a win, but Everton just nabbed two of my transfer targets, the bastards.
Whoops. Sorry.
I think I enjoy the transfer market as much as, if not more than, the actual matches. Finding an over-talented, under-valued player gives me as much a thrill as winning a match 1-0. (Winning 3-2 is definitely better, though.)
At the moment my Everton team has, I think, 4 real-life Everton players. That might go down to 1 or 2 in the near future.
Also, I don't know why I hired Jeremie Aliadiere. He's decent in FM for a lower-league team but isn't particularly good in Soccer Manager, and now I can't offload him until April. I doubt his anti-Arsenal charms will work outside of Real Life, either.
posted by WalterMitty at 5:38 PM on March 9, 2011
Whoops. Sorry.
I think I enjoy the transfer market as much as, if not more than, the actual matches. Finding an over-talented, under-valued player gives me as much a thrill as winning a match 1-0. (Winning 3-2 is definitely better, though.)
At the moment my Everton team has, I think, 4 real-life Everton players. That might go down to 1 or 2 in the near future.
Also, I don't know why I hired Jeremie Aliadiere. He's decent in FM for a lower-league team but isn't particularly good in Soccer Manager, and now I can't offload him until April. I doubt his anti-Arsenal charms will work outside of Real Life, either.
posted by WalterMitty at 5:38 PM on March 9, 2011
At the moment my Everton team has, I think, 4 real-life Everton players. That might go down to 1 or 2 in the near future.
And I was feeling a bit guilty about not having enough real Man City players in my starting eleven...
posted by philipy at 7:10 PM on March 9, 2011
And I was feeling a bit guilty about not having enough real Man City players in my starting eleven...
posted by philipy at 7:10 PM on March 9, 2011
Well, no point hanging on to all that money if spending it can make the team better. I think the only guy left from the original Everton team is Tim Cahill. Surprisingly, despite his being played out of position as a striker for Everton a couple of seasons back and doing decently, he cannot play as a striker at all in SM.
posted by WalterMitty at 9:10 PM on March 9, 2011
posted by WalterMitty at 9:10 PM on March 9, 2011
Eyes off Fabs' abs, Mitty. You'll have to pry my beloved Cesc from my cold dead hands. Besides, he and RVP have too much fun braiding each other's hair, painting their toenails, and complaining about unjustified red cards.
posted by Dr. Zira at 8:30 AM on March 10, 2011
posted by Dr. Zira at 8:30 AM on March 10, 2011
HULK THINK FABRIC-ASS PRETTY. HULK GIVE HIM BIG HUG. HULK SMASH PUNY PERSIE IF GET IN WAY!
posted by robocop is bleeding at 8:48 AM on March 10, 2011
posted by robocop is bleeding at 8:48 AM on March 10, 2011
HULK GIVE HIM BIG HUG.
So that's why he's out injured again, huh.
posted by philipy at 10:06 AM on March 10, 2011
So that's why he's out injured again, huh.
posted by philipy at 10:06 AM on March 10, 2011
Whoop, whoop, Villa's in the house.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 11:39 AM on March 10, 2011
posted by robocop is bleeding at 11:39 AM on March 10, 2011
I won't be playing Villa against Villa.
Apart from sounding too much like Kramer vs Kramer, he's not fully fit yet, and I fancy having him available for the Manchester derby on Sunday.
posted by philipy at 11:51 AM on March 10, 2011
Apart from sounding too much like Kramer vs Kramer, he's not fully fit yet, and I fancy having him available for the Manchester derby on Sunday.
posted by philipy at 11:51 AM on March 10, 2011
HULK GET PRETTY DAISY CARD
TRY TO GIVE IT TO FABRIC-ASS
BUT HE RUN AWAY
HULK SO LONESLY
posted by robocop is bleeding at 1:24 PM on March 10, 2011
TRY TO GIVE IT TO FABRIC-ASS
BUT HE RUN AWAY
HULK SO LONESLY
posted by robocop is bleeding at 1:24 PM on March 10, 2011
Well played, fake Reds. Well played.
Now I'm off to disappear into my manager's laboratory to concoct a new strategy for reversing the effects of gamma radiation.
posted by Dr. Zira at 1:38 PM on March 10, 2011
Now I'm off to disappear into my manager's laboratory to concoct a new strategy for reversing the effects of gamma radiation.
posted by Dr. Zira at 1:38 PM on March 10, 2011
HULK NOT WORRIED
WE'RE BUYING STEVIE A JETPACK
posted by robocop is bleeding at 1:44 PM on March 10, 2011
WE'RE BUYING STEVIE A JETPACK
posted by robocop is bleeding at 1:44 PM on March 10, 2011
Eyes off Fabs' abs, Mitty.
Mitty eyes everyone's abs... as long as they're rated above 93. (Not that I can afford them.)
posted by WalterMitty at 4:40 PM on March 10, 2011
Mitty eyes everyone's abs... as long as they're rated above 93. (Not that I can afford them.)
posted by WalterMitty at 4:40 PM on March 10, 2011
Also, welcome to the game, "Learning Machines".
posted by WalterMitty at 4:41 PM on March 10, 2011
posted by WalterMitty at 4:41 PM on March 10, 2011
That's Man City's secret weapon.
While everyone is busy looking at all the pretty boys' abs, no one is looking at Carlos Tevez.
posted by philipy at 6:04 PM on March 10, 2011
While everyone is busy looking at all the pretty boys' abs, no one is looking at Carlos Tevez.
posted by philipy at 6:04 PM on March 10, 2011
Which is why they keep scything him down. What is that, like 5 penalties for City now?
posted by Errant at 6:17 PM on March 10, 2011
posted by Errant at 6:17 PM on March 10, 2011
I haven't been counting but there have definitely been a lot.
Though strangely no mention of any free kicks, not even any that missed or got saved.
I've been wondering if there's an actual reason for so many pens, or it's just random. I think maybe it decides what the scoreline should be based on teams and tactics plus some randomization, and then it makes up a story to fit.
But if there is some logic to it, it might be around City playing a high tempo attacking game most of the time, so maybe defenders are having to make a lot of tackles in the box.
Still the overall proportion of goals from pens seems odd considering the number of shots on target, which is usually pretty high.
posted by philipy at 7:20 PM on March 10, 2011
Though strangely no mention of any free kicks, not even any that missed or got saved.
I've been wondering if there's an actual reason for so many pens, or it's just random. I think maybe it decides what the scoreline should be based on teams and tactics plus some randomization, and then it makes up a story to fit.
But if there is some logic to it, it might be around City playing a high tempo attacking game most of the time, so maybe defenders are having to make a lot of tackles in the box.
Still the overall proportion of goals from pens seems odd considering the number of shots on target, which is usually pretty high.
posted by philipy at 7:20 PM on March 10, 2011
Having written up a number of matches, I don't think it has to do with tempo per se, since you usually play a normal tempo game. I've also noticed that shots on target do not really correspond to goals; there have been too many games where someone gets 5 shots on target and scores 3, versus 15 shots on target and no goals. I have noticed that "attacking" tends to correspond to more shots and fewer accurate shots, but being home versus being away seems to be the real defining factor for the most part.
Because the match engine seems to determine outcomes sort of like how you describe, my best guess is that City are scoring the goals they would have anyway and the engine is "randomly" determining that some of those goals are penalties. Because the match reports never really talk about who gave away penalties or anything, I think it's most likely that the engine just assigns them periodically, and you happen to have found the high end of some curve somewhere.
posted by Errant at 3:21 AM on March 11, 2011
Because the match engine seems to determine outcomes sort of like how you describe, my best guess is that City are scoring the goals they would have anyway and the engine is "randomly" determining that some of those goals are penalties. Because the match reports never really talk about who gave away penalties or anything, I think it's most likely that the engine just assigns them periodically, and you happen to have found the high end of some curve somewhere.
posted by Errant at 3:21 AM on March 11, 2011
I mostly play high tempo now though I used normal in the first few games, but otherwise your theory sounds good. Also I often drop the pace later in the game, but I don't usually get pens then, though that could be for other reasons. It'd be interesting to see how the theory applies to other teams.
It's maybe thinking "City should score X goals, Y of them should be by Tevez, since he's penalty taker let's make Z of them pens." I suppose in theory with Forlan designated playmaker and the other forward as target man, logically they should be creating plenty of chances for Tevez, but those shouldn't particularly be penalties.
While we're on the subject, it's strange that you can pick someone to take free kicks but you never hear anything about them. And not much about corners either.
posted by philipy at 7:54 AM on March 11, 2011
It's maybe thinking "City should score X goals, Y of them should be by Tevez, since he's penalty taker let's make Z of them pens." I suppose in theory with Forlan designated playmaker and the other forward as target man, logically they should be creating plenty of chances for Tevez, but those shouldn't particularly be penalties.
While we're on the subject, it's strange that you can pick someone to take free kicks but you never hear anything about them. And not much about corners either.
posted by philipy at 7:54 AM on March 11, 2011
For whatever this is worth, I got my first pen in the last match, and it was the first time I'd gone "normal" tempo in a few matches. I've done a couple defensive, a couple normal, and a couple attacking, so while tempo probably does play a role, I'm not convinced it's a big one.
What might have more to do with it is that I played a 3-5-2, so I had more bodies committed forward, perhaps more opportunity for fouls in the box. If I recall correctly, this is also your preferred formation, and you have a lot of attacking players, so maybe the zone of where you get fouled is higher up the pitch and so you have an increased chance of penalties. Idle speculation is fun!
posted by Errant at 2:06 PM on March 11, 2011
What might have more to do with it is that I played a 3-5-2, so I had more bodies committed forward, perhaps more opportunity for fouls in the box. If I recall correctly, this is also your preferred formation, and you have a lot of attacking players, so maybe the zone of where you get fouled is higher up the pitch and so you have an increased chance of penalties. Idle speculation is fun!
posted by Errant at 2:06 PM on March 11, 2011
Walter, how do you keep managing those trades? It looks like you're swapping players of lesser value for more. Either that or my scouts totally blow.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 2:57 PM on March 11, 2011
posted by robocop is bleeding at 2:57 PM on March 11, 2011
Well, you guys did pay 50 million for Andy Carroll, so I'm going to go with scouts blowing.
posted by Errant at 3:37 PM on March 11, 2011
posted by Errant at 3:37 PM on March 11, 2011
Hey! He increased our average hair length by inches! INCHES!
posted by robocop is bleeding at 7:50 PM on March 11, 2011 [1 favorite]
posted by robocop is bleeding at 7:50 PM on March 11, 2011 [1 favorite]
Let's say I have Players A & B, and I'm eyeing Player C. A & B are from Team 1, C is from Team 2.
Player A is nominally worth £5m, and B is worth £8m. Player C is worth £15m.
Their true value is what the Team 2 chairperson think A, B and C are worth. He might value A at £6.5,m B at £10m, and C at £16m (for example) - so that means I can swap A & B for C without paying anything, or at most a modest top-up fee.
Let's take the Marouane Fellaini - Xabi Alonso swap for instance. I think he was worth £13m and Alonso was listed at £15m at the time of the swap, but for some unfathomable reason (I mean it, I really don't know why) the Real Madrid chairperson rated Fellaini at £18m and Alonso at £18m - so I could make a straight swap. I did it partly because of the difference in rating and also because Fellaini's recently suffered a season-ending injury, so I anticipate a possible drop in ratings. (Also, Alonso is ace - not that Fellaini's bad, but Alonso's an excellent player.)
Note: I now have a top-heavy squad because of all the wheeling and dealing. If I suffer any injuries or if they fail to recover their condition quickly enough, bad things are going to happen, and my backup squad isn't really anywhere near good enough. Still, it was nice hunting down all those bargains.
It's generally easier to find a cheap, good player if they're also in their 30s. Bismarck got his hands on Javier Zanetti, who is the best 94+ rated defender but is only worth about £12m - most of these players cost around £15m, if not more. Why? He's 37 years old.
posted by WalterMitty at 8:50 PM on March 11, 2011
Player A is nominally worth £5m, and B is worth £8m. Player C is worth £15m.
Their true value is what the Team 2 chairperson think A, B and C are worth. He might value A at £6.5,m B at £10m, and C at £16m (for example) - so that means I can swap A & B for C without paying anything, or at most a modest top-up fee.
Let's take the Marouane Fellaini - Xabi Alonso swap for instance. I think he was worth £13m and Alonso was listed at £15m at the time of the swap, but for some unfathomable reason (I mean it, I really don't know why) the Real Madrid chairperson rated Fellaini at £18m and Alonso at £18m - so I could make a straight swap. I did it partly because of the difference in rating and also because Fellaini's recently suffered a season-ending injury, so I anticipate a possible drop in ratings. (Also, Alonso is ace - not that Fellaini's bad, but Alonso's an excellent player.)
Note: I now have a top-heavy squad because of all the wheeling and dealing. If I suffer any injuries or if they fail to recover their condition quickly enough, bad things are going to happen, and my backup squad isn't really anywhere near good enough. Still, it was nice hunting down all those bargains.
It's generally easier to find a cheap, good player if they're also in their 30s. Bismarck got his hands on Javier Zanetti, who is the best 94+ rated defender but is only worth about £12m - most of these players cost around £15m, if not more. Why? He's 37 years old.
posted by WalterMitty at 8:50 PM on March 11, 2011
Some caveats: if you do a player swap, the cost of Player C will rise a little bit, as chairpersons seem to prefer cold, hard cash to player swaps.
Versatility was also a major factor, so I didn't always go for the best players but rather those who could fill in at multiple positions. Generally, the more versatile, the more expensive a player. If you have a good and versatile player he generally costs a lot more than a comparably versatile or good player.
posted by WalterMitty at 8:55 PM on March 11, 2011
Versatility was also a major factor, so I didn't always go for the best players but rather those who could fill in at multiple positions. Generally, the more versatile, the more expensive a player. If you have a good and versatile player he generally costs a lot more than a comparably versatile or good player.
posted by WalterMitty at 8:55 PM on March 11, 2011
On a IRL-tangential note, it seems that Everton IRL is a team of crocks - Arteta, Cahill and Fellaini are ALL injured. Tempted to sell off Cahill too, now - that would leave Rodwell as my only actual Everton player, aside from the small fleet of 75-rated youths.
posted by WalterMitty at 9:02 PM on March 11, 2011
posted by WalterMitty at 9:02 PM on March 11, 2011
I swear to god, if you nab Lavezzi out from under me too, I'm sending out a team of chainsaws when next we meet. Heed my words!
posted by Errant at 11:22 AM on March 12, 2011
posted by Errant at 11:22 AM on March 12, 2011
Errant, those match reports are brilliant!
After a convincing defeat to Manchester City, time to start Villa's Operation "you can't win anything with kids so buy some 30 yr-olds instead".
posted by learning_machines at 3:51 PM on March 12, 2011
After a convincing defeat to Manchester City, time to start Villa's Operation "you can't win anything with kids so buy some 30 yr-olds instead".
posted by learning_machines at 3:51 PM on March 12, 2011
Motherfucker! Get your dirty mittys off my Afellay! MINE! MINE MINE MINE!
I mean... uh... game on, WalterMitty, may the best man win.
And yeah, those reports are aces, Errant, they really give flavor and substance to the gameworld. It's all starting to feel disconcertingly real.
posted by Kattullus at 4:07 PM on March 12, 2011
I mean... uh... game on, WalterMitty, may the best man win.
And yeah, those reports are aces, Errant, they really give flavor and substance to the gameworld. It's all starting to feel disconcertingly real.
posted by Kattullus at 4:07 PM on March 12, 2011
Aw, thanks guys. You can show your appreciation by submitting to Cottager might from here on out.
No, I'm glad you guys like them, they're ridiculously fun to do, so win/win.
posted by Errant at 7:18 PM on March 12, 2011
No, I'm glad you guys like them, they're ridiculously fun to do, so win/win.
posted by Errant at 7:18 PM on March 12, 2011
I kind of was tempted, but I'll hang on to Cahill for a while, methinks. I WILL FIGHT YOU ON THE FIELD
But first I must attend to the small matter of playing Arsenal at the Emirates. Erk.
posted by WalterMitty at 6:39 AM on March 13, 2011
But first I must attend to the small matter of playing Arsenal at the Emirates. Erk.
posted by WalterMitty at 6:39 AM on March 13, 2011
Don't worry, Walter. The Gooners are all abs, no midsection.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:40 AM on March 13, 2011
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:40 AM on March 13, 2011
Very well, Toffee-man, I will refrain from recruiting Vinnie Jones and Colin "Chopper" Harris. For now.
posted by Errant at 8:03 AM on March 13, 2011
posted by Errant at 8:03 AM on March 13, 2011
Oh, and I guess it's time to find a new thread for our (my) idle threats. The MeFightClub should do if everyone's signed up over there, yes?
posted by Errant at 8:15 AM on March 13, 2011
posted by Errant at 8:15 AM on March 13, 2011
Oh yeah... I've forgotten to check out the MeFightClub thread for weeks. I wonder what valuable info I've missed out on.
posted by Kattullus at 12:01 PM on March 13, 2011
posted by Kattullus at 12:01 PM on March 13, 2011
I don't even know what MeFightClub is.
Meanwhile, eagerly anticipating the Manchester derby. Will City's attacking instincts be undone by United's superb back four? Or will Villa & co run rings around Vidic et al? Only time will tell.
posted by philipy at 12:15 PM on March 13, 2011
Meanwhile, eagerly anticipating the Manchester derby. Will City's attacking instincts be undone by United's superb back four? Or will Villa & co run rings around Vidic et al? Only time will tell.
posted by philipy at 12:15 PM on March 13, 2011
MeFightClub is an offshoot community for MeFite gamers (and a handful of likeminded non-MeFites) managed by stavrosthewonderchicken. It's fun, lovely, oddball and happygoodtimes.
posted by Kattullus at 1:18 PM on March 13, 2011
posted by Kattullus at 1:18 PM on March 13, 2011
I won the Manchester derby, but it looks like the United manager wasn't around for the weekend with the result that a lot of their best players were left on the bench. And on top of that United went down to ten men early on. All of which is a bit of a let down after looking forward to the big game for a while.
posted by philipy at 4:27 PM on March 13, 2011
posted by philipy at 4:27 PM on March 13, 2011
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posted by boo_radley at 9:23 AM on February 14, 2011