To be fair, he offerred us all a chance to get in on the ground floor. May 5, 2011 7:32 AM   Subscribe

A little under three years ago a Mefite named kcds made a bold proposal for a product that now (according to multiple reddit posts) has been incorporated into gmail. Time to get your cut sir.
posted by ND¢ to MetaFilter-Related at 7:32 AM (118 comments total) 4 users marked this as a favorite

Yay kcds. Hasn't this been part of gmail for a while though?
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 7:33 AM on May 5, 2011 [9 favorites]


kcds suggested the idea on August 12, 2008. The forgotten attachment detector was announced as a Google Labs feature on September 15, 2008. Hmm...
posted by jedicus at 7:34 AM on May 5, 2011 [4 favorites]




I don't know about gmail, but it feels like I've had this in Thunderbird for, I don't know, 2 years?
posted by naju at 7:39 AM on May 5, 2011 [2 favorites]


Hey! I got that error message the other day! Kick ass! Mefi-inspired error messages! Exclamation points!!!
posted by slogger at 7:46 AM on May 5, 2011


I've had this for ages, either because I added something in labs and forgot about it or because I am very special, and as it is not my work account, it has been useful exactly once, the single time that I noticed that I had this neat feature.

I would love for something like this to be developed for obsolete email programs like the one I use at work.
posted by jeather at 7:48 AM on May 5, 2011


You know what's sad?

Even though the link in "incorporated into gmail" above went to a screenshot, I still clicked on the "okay" button in the screenshot even though I sort of knew it wouldn't do anything.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:49 AM on May 5, 2011 [20 favorites]


So this is being graduated out of Labs? I know that some people are really annoyed by it in Thunderbird, so they probably won't be too happy to hear that they have to turn it off in Gmail.
posted by muddgirl at 7:52 AM on May 5, 2011


What they need is something that can detect how many questions were asked in an email vs. how many are answered in the reply. I would love it if people received a dialog box that said:

"Look, there are three questions being asked. You responded with "Yes." This is in no way helpful, especially since none of the questions were yes/no type questions. Please go back and carefully read all questions and respond to each one and stop making this place even more dysfunctional than it already is. Asshole."

It would be nice to have this in Gmail, but it is really needed in Exchange.
posted by bondcliff at 7:56 AM on May 5, 2011 [74 favorites]


EmpressCallipygos: I still clicked on the "okay" button in the screenshot

A long time ago, something crashed on my computer which resulted in a error box with nothing but the exclamation mark and a "OK" button, no comment, no title in the title bar. I took a screenshot of it, and then set it as my desktop background, untiled and centered.

One day, upon returning from break, I found one of the IT guys sitting at my desk, trying to click "cancel" on that error box, his frustration levels rising as he tried the Task Manager and found nothing in there causing it, he couldn't move the little window, hitting 'Esc' wouldn't get rid of it....

As for the "did you mean to attach something?" warning: I know it has been a feature in Gmail for at least a year, because it's my most hated feature.
posted by AzraelBrown at 8:10 AM on May 5, 2011 [12 favorites]


Not only does Postbox do this, but as soon as it thinks you need to add attachments, it creates a little attachment drag-and-drop box in your email message.
Another reason why I love postbox.

Image
posted by seanyboy at 8:25 AM on May 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


Yeah, I remember when this rolled out too because who actually says "attached" or "attachment" in the body of the email? "Here you go" or "this is it" or "edit this in word and get back to me" or whatever.

However, I still have my secretary affix his initials to the bottom along with mine.

jb:DU
posted by DU at 8:28 AM on May 5, 2011


for those of us who still believe that mutt is the best MUA, here's how to do that in mutt.
posted by namewithoutwords at 8:28 AM on May 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


They need to incorporate another message:

"You are forwarding an email that was forwarded to you. Please don't."
posted by Sys Rq at 8:29 AM on May 5, 2011 [18 favorites]


Yeah, I remember when this rolled out too because who actually says "attached" or "attachment" in the body of the email?

I do in work emails (which I use Thunderbird for, not Gmail). If I don't say "attached", then some people will not notice that something is attached. No lie.
posted by muddgirl at 8:30 AM on May 5, 2011 [4 favorites]


I am embarrassed to say that this feature has saved me a few times already
posted by Blasdelb at 8:34 AM on May 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


here's how to do that in mutt.
function word-attach {
    grep -v '^>' $t | egrep -q 'attach\|bijgevoegd\|bijvoeg\|patch'
}
"Here s a Word document that I think explains the whole thing. Please find it bijgevoegd."
posted by DU at 8:34 AM on May 5, 2011 [2 favorites]


Oh, Dutch. Pfff, other "languages".
posted by DU at 8:38 AM on May 5, 2011


Whenever I get this message, I like to attach a picture of a cute kitten, or some videos of rabbit dressage. Just to, you know, keep everyone smiling at their keyboards and all.
posted by Ahab at 8:49 AM on May 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


I remember when I was applying to tons of job a few years ago, I would occasionally forget to attach my resume even though my email said "Please see attached resume." Doh. I would have to sheepishly send an amendment, but I never did hear back from those places. But then I never heard back from most places I applied to.

Still though, would have been a nice feature to have back then.
posted by kmz at 9:00 AM on May 5, 2011 [2 favorites]


I've been getting this warning for a while in Thunderbird (it seems like forever but maybe since the last version increment?) and I like it. The first time I had that wonderful feel of amazement and WTF! How the heck did they know I wanted to send an attachment!?!. OMG Skynet! A few seconds later when I figured out the code I was kind of let down. However I'm so glad I don't have to support this feature. I can hear the whining now: "Windows1 always lets me know when I don't attach the attachment. How come it didn't let me know this time? GRAR GRAR GAR". Because you sent a blank email except for your 16 line signature (including image) and with the subject line "For you" you twit.

Sys Rq writes "'You are forwarding an email that was forwarded to you. Please don't.'"

In a worlds collide sort of way I'm often amazed that my circle of friends never have more than say two FWD:'s in a subject line and my father's circle often has over 80 character's worth of FWD:'s in their subject lines. We use these tools for very different things.

1Yes, "windows" regardless of the mail package being used.
posted by Mitheral at 9:23 AM on May 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


Yeah, I remember when this rolled out too because who actually says "attached" or "attachment" in the body of the email?

*raises hand*

I do in work emails (which I use Thunderbird for, not Gmail). If I don't say "attached", then some people will not notice that something is attached. No lie.

Mm-hmm. Also, when sending out resumes or things like that to people I don't actually know, it seems like the polite way to refer to them is by saying "Please find attached xyz document for your review."
posted by LionIndex at 9:25 AM on May 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


Yeah, I remember when this rolled out too because who actually says "attached" or "attachment" in the body of the email?

People laugh at me and my tweedy little "please find attached" email openers at the water cooler, don't they? And my natty bow ties.

I KNEW IT.
posted by running order squabble fest at 9:26 AM on May 5, 2011 [4 favorites]


tweedy little "please find attached"

;(
posted by LionIndex at 9:27 AM on May 5, 2011


Wow, am I the only one who appreciates this feature? I definitely use "please find attached" and I definitely try to send lots of my freelance work without the attachment.

Google sometimes prevents me from looking like a dolt. Thanks, Google. And kcds!
posted by chatongriffes at 9:34 AM on May 5, 2011


OMG Skynet!

I felt this way yesterday, when I uploaded some photos to Facebook for the first time in awhile. Facebook will now face-match and attempt to identify friends, and it is scary good at it.
posted by muddgirl at 9:36 AM on May 5, 2011


The real question is: WHEN WILL MEFI COMMENTS GET ATTACHMENTS?!?!?!

I'm now accepting investment offers.
posted by blue_beetle at 9:38 AM on May 5, 2011


I'm just waiting for the USB breathalyzer attachment to telll me to stop arguing with exes over e-mail at 3am.
posted by The Whelk at 9:42 AM on May 5, 2011


I'm just waiting for the USB breathalyzer attachment to telll me to stop arguing with exes over e-mail at 3am.

Google can help you with that, too.
posted by jedicus at 9:49 AM on May 5, 2011


"Please find it bijgevoegd."

Hey his retrial just started this week.
posted by shakespeherian at 9:54 AM on May 5, 2011 [2 favorites]


Oh man, I have liked this feature ever since I found it in Labs however long ago and turned it on. I like it because:

1. I enjoy shouting SEE ATTACHED! in email where I'm attaching someone, because I'm usually attaching it because either it's really important that I send it or because it is an awesome thing and I am happy.

2. I don't write "attached" very much otherwise, and every time I do and there's no attachment, I see the warning and go "mruh?" and then figure it out and then laugh and laugh and laugh.
posted by cortex (staff) at 10:02 AM on May 5, 2011


People laugh at me and my tweedy little "please find attached" email openers at the water cooler, don't they? And my natty bow ties.

No, we laugh at you when we go out for drinks after work and don't invite you.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 10:18 AM on May 5, 2011


I laughed. Then I realised that every part of this apart from the natty bow ties is probably precisely accurate. Then I felt sad. Then I looked at bow ties online.
posted by running order squabble fest at 10:28 AM on May 5, 2011 [3 favorites]


It's easy enough to do something along these lines in Outlook. I've got a rule set up at work so that all my emails have a 1-minute delay before they're sent (unless they contain my sooper seekrit phrase), and any message that contains any variation on "attach" but doesn't contain an attachment gets a 2-minute delay. This is usually long enough for me to go "oh, wait, did I...?" and do the Outlook equivalent of the slow-motion dive and "nooooooo" to catch the message before it's sent.
posted by ZsigE at 10:28 AM on May 5, 2011 [4 favorites]


I never use attachments any more because so many of my corporate clients have mail servers that silently drop anything with an attached zipfile on the floor, so like two weeks later they're "hey, where's the work that was due two weeks ago?" and I'm "I sent it to you two weeks ago, but here it is again" and then a day later they're all "hey, why didn't you answer the email I sent yesterday?" and we can do that three or four times sometimes before I clue in to the fact that their mail server just assumes anything with a zipfile must be a virus and throws it away.

Also a lot of them recompress attached images into these shitty-looking four-color xerox approximations of the original, I guess because the fifty lines of lawsuit-threatening .sig file they require on every outgoing message would overload their mail capacity otherwise.

So now what I do is email them "I've uploaded such-and-such to the following URL" instead of attaching it to the email, and then forget to upload the file to my webserver. SO WHEN IS GMAIL GONNA COME UP WITH A FIX FOR THAT HUH?
posted by ook at 10:36 AM on May 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


Wait, "please find attached" isn't Ok?

When did this happen? It's precise and concise; it's perfect!
posted by paisley henosis at 10:37 AM on May 5, 2011


Here it is circa 2004 as a Eudora plugin for version 5+. It was built-in to later versions.
posted by cgk at 10:45 AM on May 5, 2011


I use "See attached" all the time, aannnd... I also (about 15% of the time) forget to attach the file as well.... I really wish this was in Outlook...

But... What someone really needs to do is to incorporate a RFID reader into cellphones so I'm notified via an alert whenever my important things (sunglasses/car keys/children) go out of range. e.g for when leaving my favorite shades on a table in a restaurant. I just lost a really nice pair of sunglasses that way... sigh.
posted by Debaser626 at 10:56 AM on May 5, 2011


So has anyone actually told kcds about this thread yet?
posted by yeoz at 10:57 AM on May 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


Then I looked at bow ties online.

My natty spouse really likes Bow Tie Club, although their pocket squares are lame and not worth the price.
posted by muddgirl at 11:00 AM on May 5, 2011


Bijgevoegd!
Seeing tweedy Dutch on metafilter gives me a nice warm feeling.
posted by joost de vries at 11:02 AM on May 5, 2011


I ...own this.
posted by The Whelk at 11:04 AM on May 5, 2011


One of my earliest preconceived notions about americans was that they wear pre-made pocket squares.
Instead of using a folded handkerchief.
That's how I picture you.
posted by joost de vries at 11:10 AM on May 5, 2011


You've got to admit, though, that in terms of formal wear, it's sort of odd that one would want to prominently display, of all things, a snot rag.
posted by Sys Rq at 11:20 AM on May 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


I say "please see attached" like ten times a day and don't go out for drinks with coworkers because I turn down their invitations not because I'm not invited. But bow ties are for dorks and I couldn't pick a pocket square out of a line up. Coolness meter results:

cool +--------------ND¢--------------------------------+ uncool

Kids still say "cool" right?
posted by ND¢ at 11:23 AM on May 5, 2011


And then it's odd how we took our inspiration for the only coloured item from Croat soldiers.
posted by joost de vries at 11:24 AM on May 5, 2011


Oh man, no one on the west coast even owns any shirts with pockets in them.
posted by cortex (staff) at 11:26 AM on May 5, 2011 [2 favorites]


Scotland represent.
posted by The Whelk at 11:26 AM on May 5, 2011


You're not wearing a suit?
Are you a farmer?
posted by joost de vries at 11:27 AM on May 5, 2011 [5 favorites]


Oh man, no one on the west coast even owns any shirts with pockets in them.\

Pocket squares go into the breast pocket of jackets, but come to think of it no one on the west coast owns a jacket, either.
posted by muddgirl at 11:27 AM on May 5, 2011


What the fuck is a "Pocket square?"
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 11:31 AM on May 5, 2011


20 bucks, same as in town.
posted by The Whelk at 11:33 AM on May 5, 2011 [2 favorites]


Florence is showing his hearty devil may care common man credentials by using 'fuck'.
Good man.
posted by joost de vries at 11:36 AM on May 5, 2011


Oh man, no one on the west coast even owns any shirts with pockets in them.

I do!

But I moved here from the east coast, 8 years ago, so. Plus, I'm running out.
posted by Errant at 11:38 AM on May 5, 2011


If you even try to put on a tie on the West Coast you get stopped by two guys with huge beards and rolled up jeans and issued a citation.
posted by The Whelk at 11:39 AM on May 5, 2011


Florence is showing his hearty devil may care common man credentials by using 'fuck'.
Good man.


Am I? Damn. I thought I was showing haste and poor taste. I'll have to work on that.

Pocket square? Anyone? What would you be getting for your $20?
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 11:41 AM on May 5, 2011


I - wait are you serious?



Pocket Squares
posted by The Whelk at 11:43 AM on May 5, 2011


MAKE HASTE NOT TASTE
posted by cortex (staff) at 11:53 AM on May 5, 2011


Never heard that term for handkerchief. Assumed they were synonymous, until this comment threw me off:

they wear pre-made pocket squares.
Instead of using a folded handkerchief.


That made me wonder if they were somehow different. Now I get that pocket square is more than just a handkerchief, it's a handkerchief neatly folded and protruding from a jacket pocket. And apparently, one can purchase a mock handkerchief pre-folded. Snotrag origami. I've never heard of such a thing. I always carry handkerchief's, but I don't even own a dress jacket anymore. As per cortex and The Whelk, I guess I'm West Coast style, I suppose.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 11:54 AM on May 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


But what do you wear to the gala? A riding jacket?
posted by The Whelk at 11:55 AM on May 5, 2011


Hey, ND¢ is back! I just mentioned you the other day in another Metatalk thread, wondering where you'd been.

Way to go, kcds! Remember all of us little people when you get the big check from Google.
posted by misha at 11:57 AM on May 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


But what do you wear to the gala? A riding jacket?

We call them "barbecues" and it is considered polite to wear pants.
posted by cortex (staff) at 11:58 AM on May 5, 2011 [2 favorites]


Tell me more of your savage customs, Westlander.
posted by The Whelk at 12:00 PM on May 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


He's much closer to nature than we are.
There's a certain authentic nobility in that.
posted by joost de vries at 12:01 PM on May 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


knows the language of the land, and has no need for our so-called civilization.
posted by The Whelk at 12:02 PM on May 5, 2011


Snotrag Origami is a great name for a band.
posted by misha at 12:03 PM on May 5, 2011


I've heard people speak of Westland.
There are valeys made of silicon there.
posted by joost de vries at 12:03 PM on May 5, 2011 [2 favorites]


A bridge made of gold too, so much gold that all their trade is done in hemp.
posted by The Whelk at 12:07 PM on May 5, 2011


Nay, not silicon. Pacific Northwest. Our valleys are made of clouds. Our mountains are made of antidepresants. Our deserts are made of the hopes of conservatives. Our oceans are made of pain- I mean rain. Well... pain works, too. Point is, it's raining. I don't even need to look outside to assume this, which is good, because I work in a dark room with no windows.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 12:09 PM on May 5, 2011


Exactly. Eldorado. Fabled land of rock on dudes.
posted by joost de vries at 12:09 PM on May 5, 2011


Clouds and rain.
Sounds like the Netherlands.

posted by joost de vries at 12:11 PM on May 5, 2011


I say we flood Portland to create picturesque canals.
posted by The Whelk at 12:12 PM on May 5, 2011


Of course, it would lead to Paddle-BoatPunk.
posted by The Whelk at 12:13 PM on May 5, 2011


Holland, Portland, Deutschland, what's the differenz.
posted by joost de vries at 12:14 PM on May 5, 2011


You're not wearing a suit?
Are you a farmer?


That is one of the funniest smackdowns in MetaTalk history.
posted by Rock Steady at 12:19 PM on May 5, 2011 [3 favorites]


I say we flood Portland to create picturesque canals.
posted by The Whelk at 12:12 PM on May 5

Patience! This will happen naturally when the warming weather melts all that snow that the skiers and 'boarders prayed for.
posted by Cranberry at 12:21 PM on May 5, 2011


You can ride a dolphin to work!
posted by The Whelk at 12:24 PM on May 5, 2011


You do that and we'll end up with a fawning NYT writeup about "the foodboat trend".
posted by cortex (staff) at 12:26 PM on May 5, 2011


I know a great foodboat

you probably haven't heard of it

it's pretty underwater

posted by The Whelk at 12:27 PM on May 5, 2011 [3 favorites]


Funny. But a quote.
posted by joost de vries at 12:28 PM on May 5, 2011


Oh man, no one on the west coast even owns any shirts with pockets in them.

I don't know what west coast you live on... oh, Portland. Carry on then.

Down here we have pockets and jackets and all sorts of fantastical things.
posted by wildcrdj at 12:29 PM on May 5, 2011


Funny. But a quote.

Oh, I know. Still damn funny dropped into the appropriate context like that.
posted by Rock Steady at 12:33 PM on May 5, 2011


We do have a boat where they sell marihuana in my town.
Also our red light district is on boats.
Neither is particularly fashionable with ironic peole.
posted by joost de vries at 12:35 PM on May 5, 2011


I enjoyed your cities' Cat Boat
posted by The Whelk at 12:38 PM on May 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


Well, what else would you put on boats besides cats, prostitutes and hemp?
posted by joost de vries at 12:46 PM on May 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


That sounds like the best sea voyage ever.
posted by The Whelk at 12:49 PM on May 5, 2011 [2 favorites]


Seattle has Duckboat tours. Buses that ride through the streets, down to the shoreline... and then drive straight into the water! I've never taken the Duckboat tour, myself, but I understand they almost always float.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 12:52 PM on May 5, 2011


I hate the feature. Every time I try to write an email about enclosures (aka land privatisation and fencing), I get asked "Did you mean to attach an enclosure to this email?"
posted by jb at 1:23 PM on May 5, 2011


You're allowed to graze on my server but hunting is forbidden.
posted by The Whelk at 1:25 PM on May 5, 2011


Beware of Clippy! Guard Clip on Duty! Keep Out!
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 1:28 PM on May 5, 2011


If you came across a bouncing, talking paper clip in a dark alley you'd back off too.
posted by The Whelk at 1:38 PM on May 5, 2011


The Whelk:

hahaha you think we have jobs?!!?!?!??

You have much to learn of the ways of the Pacific Northwest.
posted by idiopath at 1:43 PM on May 5, 2011


I thought you people were mostly berry gatherers?
posted by The Whelk at 1:46 PM on May 5, 2011


Serial killers, mostly.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 1:48 PM on May 5, 2011 [2 favorites]


At least until the serial killer bubble burst, back in '05. Now we mostly farm geoducks and sasquatch eggs.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 1:49 PM on May 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


you tap trees to get the microbrew inside right?
posted by The Whelk at 2:11 PM on May 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


This needs the xkcds tag.
posted by darksasami at 3:49 PM on May 5, 2011


I really wish this was in Outlook...

I saw this feature had graduated from labs a while ago and wished I had it in outlook too, so I went and implemented this one.
posted by TwoWordReview at 3:53 PM on May 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


Pocket squares retired even before Don Draper did.
posted by briank at 4:34 PM on May 5, 2011


You do that and we'll end up with a fawning NYT writeup about "the foodboat trend".

No doubt in the Styles section, at that.
posted by The Michael The at 4:35 PM on May 5, 2011


If we use the phrase exactly 5 times while standing in front of Internet with exactly 5 candles lit, the NYT writeup will magically appear in front of us in exactly 5 years.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 5:14 PM on May 5, 2011


"the foodboat trend"

Misread this as foodbat, like it better.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 5:25 PM on May 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


Is it a bat made out of food, or a bat to hit food with? Or a flying mammal that only eats... food?
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 5:56 PM on May 5, 2011


This young lady will supply you with all you need to know about handkerchief presentation [Warning! lovely accent (where is that from?) and hypnotic background muzak] as well as Suit You Sir.
posted by unliteral at 6:14 PM on May 5, 2011


NYT STYLE SECTION 2021:

"Hungry? Just hold out a hand: How The Footbat Craze Is Rethinking How We Eat Out."
posted by The Whelk at 6:23 PM on May 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


that's a Dutch accent
posted by joost de vries at 6:29 PM on May 5, 2011


O HAI GUYZ!

I am writing this from the verandah of the larger of my beach houses, here on my private island ...

Great post, dude. Thanks for the shout-out.
posted by kcds at 6:44 PM on May 5, 2011


Or a flying mammal that only eats... food?

I'm thinking the bats deliver food.

Tipping is ...difficult.
posted by The Whelk at 7:02 PM on May 5, 2011


My natty spouse really likes Bow Tie Club

Sounds like somebody needs a refresher on the first two rules of Bow Tie Club.
posted by Horace Rumpole at 7:09 PM on May 5, 2011


1. For the love of all that's holy, stay away from Fight Club.
2. For the love of all that's holy, stay away from Fight Club.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 7:12 PM on May 5, 2011


3. Treat your many. many servants with kindness and respect so they never feel the need to join Fight Club against you.
posted by The Whelk at 7:16 PM on May 5, 2011


Honey?! What's 20% of $23.97? I know what it is in dollars- I'm not a complete idiot! What's the mosquito exchange rate today? What? We've only got mealworms? My wife wants to know if you take mealworms. Frozen. Who the hell doesn't take frozen mealworms?! What kind of a fly-by-night outfit are you?!
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 7:20 PM on May 5, 2011 [3 favorites]


What kind of a fly-by-night outfit are you?!


I hate you so much.
posted by The Whelk at 7:26 PM on May 5, 2011 [1 favorite]


My work here is done.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 7:27 PM on May 5, 2011




You know...clearly I'm late to this thread, but I just wanted to say that this feature in Gmail has been driving Buddhists crazy for years now.
posted by salishsea at 11:59 PM on May 5, 2011 [2 favorites]


Also psychiatrists.
posted by Horace Rumpole at 3:47 AM on May 6, 2011


I've been using this as a GMail Labs addon for a while. The one problem is that a significant portion of my emails are along the lines of "excuse me, but you forgot to attach a file to this email you sent me" and then the warning box pops up and I go into a self-referential loop of ever-increasing attachment madness.
posted by miyabo at 5:30 PM on May 10, 2011


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