Moderator provoceteurs. November 4, 2011 5:23 AM   Subscribe

Why is video evidence of a police officer breaking the law not considered FPP worthy? Why, when subsequently posted (read: buried) in a thread two days old, 330+ comments large, and long-since derailed, is that post deleted as well?
posted by Civil_Disobedient to Etiquette/Policy at 5:23 AM (77 comments total) 4 users marked this as a favorite

Posting the link in the Oakland thread was fine; the rant that went along with belongs here.
posted by taz (staff) at 5:25 AM on November 4, 2011 [1 favorite]


That you think it's important isn't a good reason to make a fpp.
posted by empath at 5:26 AM on November 4, 2011 [7 favorites]


Perhaps your video could help re-rail the existing thread.

That is, it could have re-railed it if you hadn't derailed it further by snarking at a mod in the process.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 5:28 AM on November 4, 2011


I really dislike it when people use MetaTalk to make a defacto front page post. You should link to the deleted thread, not to the video you're looking to promote.

However, that video is about as shocking and revealing as an episode of Golden Girls. So what?
posted by OmieWise at 5:32 AM on November 4, 2011 [2 favorites]


Why is video evidence of a police officer breaking the law not considered FPP worthy?

Because (a) mefi is not a police watchdog site and (b) this is one detail in what has been a busy, busy goddam topic for weeks and weeks now and largely confining updates to open threads has been pretty much standard operating procedure here for years.

You have been really weirdly overt about giving the mod team a shitty time lately, C_D, and while I'd like to say something like I can respect your difference of opinion about how this place would run I'm really pretty far gone on summoning any kind of respect in practice in the face of your behavior. You want to disagree us, that's totally fine; you want to be an aggro jerk about it, not so much. Figure this out and cut it out.
posted by cortex (staff) at 5:47 AM on November 4, 2011 [7 favorites]


Here's the original deleted thread, which was a textbook case of a poorly made, single linked, news filter post.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 5:50 AM on November 4, 2011 [3 favorites]


Are you kidding? "Cops do something illegal!" is not a good post. One link to video.

Go make a post about cops and protestors - don't fill it with fluff, but I promise there's a ton of interesting history about this and lots of resources on the web. Make a *good* post. Show us and yourself some respect and make a decent effort. This was a shitty one.
posted by rtha at 5:51 AM on November 4, 2011


oooh, can I be the one to say, "Best of the Web"?
posted by Eideteker at 5:55 AM on November 4, 2011


No, that's not your job.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 5:58 AM on November 4, 2011


I very much agree with the OWS people...and that was a terrible post. It would have made an excellent addition to a bigger post or a supporting comment in an existing thread. Although not necessarily to an old, derailed thread.
posted by DU at 5:59 AM on November 4, 2011


Is the Man oppressing you, Civil_Disobedient?
posted by crunchland at 6:02 AM on November 4, 2011


Police misconduct videos fall into the "higher standard" category of topics around here. Unless some thought is put into their posting, and they're framed really well, the threads turn shitty in a hurry.

Even well done, the threads often turn shitty in a hurry. So make an effort, and shake a bit of your breathless rhetoric.
posted by SpiffyRob at 6:09 AM on November 4, 2011


It's so strange to see citizen footage filmed in HD. It makes everything look like a Michael Mann film.
posted by Think_Long at 6:11 AM on November 4, 2011 [7 favorites]


The best thing about this MeTa is that I now I have a name for my surf band. Please come see the Moderator Provoceteurs when we come to your town.
posted by Slack-a-gogo at 6:13 AM on November 4, 2011 [5 favorites]


You're right, there weren't nearly enough kittens in the post. Mea culpa. And sorry for calling your mom a whore, taz, considering she didn't even charge me.
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 6:14 AM on November 4, 2011 [3 favorites]


Christ, what an asshole.
posted by crunchland at 6:16 AM on November 4, 2011 [31 favorites]


Wow.
posted by Sailormom at 6:18 AM on November 4, 2011 [7 favorites]


You're right, there weren't nearly enough kittens in the post. Mea culpa. And sorry for calling your mom a whore, taz, considering she didn't even charge me.

Ha ha, what? How old are you?
posted by Think_Long at 6:18 AM on November 4, 2011 [11 favorites]


Jesus Christ, man! That is not cool.
posted by Mouse Army at 6:19 AM on November 4, 2011 [3 favorites]


What the hell?
posted by jonnyploy at 6:19 AM on November 4, 2011


what the shit is even going on here
posted by elizardbits at 6:20 AM on November 4, 2011 [3 favorites]


looks like this thread is going into the "suicide by cop" category
posted by the bricabrac man at 6:21 AM on November 4, 2011 [73 favorites]


Annnnd thats when we stop taking you seriously
posted by wheelieman at 6:21 AM on November 4, 2011 [4 favorites]


Is it possible to flag not just a post, but a PERSON?
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:22 AM on November 4, 2011 [2 favorites]


You're right, there weren't nearly enough kittens in the post. Mea culpa. And sorry for calling your mom a whore, taz, considering she didn't even charge me.

OK. You just totally lost me, and I think that the badge-covering bullshit is actually important enough for a "good" front page post.

In short - I hope that the cactus that you lodged in your rectum went in right side up, because it'll be easier to remove.
posted by loquacious at 6:22 AM on November 4, 2011 [1 favorite]


Okay, C_D; you get your apparent wish. Banned; I'll let Matt sort out for how long.
posted by taz (staff) at 6:22 AM on November 4, 2011 [79 favorites]


Civil_Disobedient just lobbed the message board equivalent of a molotov cocktail, and wants to prove that he's got a problem with authority figures, and that he's not gonna take it, and he's all "radical and shit."
posted by crunchland at 6:23 AM on November 4, 2011 [1 favorite]


c_d, you've been here for nine years and you're shocked that a single-link no outrage-filter video post was deleted?
posted by octothorpe at 6:23 AM on November 4, 2011


PAGING POT AND KETTLE
posted by loquacious at 6:24 AM on November 4, 2011


called it
posted by the bricabrac man at 6:24 AM on November 4, 2011 [4 favorites]


I'm sure he'll have plenty of time to figure himself out while swaying in the cornfield breeze.
posted by griphus at 6:24 AM on November 4, 2011 [1 favorite]


...oh jesus, that's a Twilight Zone joke.
posted by griphus at 6:24 AM on November 4, 2011 [3 favorites]


Well Taz you just did (one of) your first bannings, how did that feel?
posted by wheelieman at 6:25 AM on November 4, 2011


Zero to flameout in one comment. Impressive, if a little premature.
posted by monju_bosatsu at 6:26 AM on November 4, 2011


Well, that went well.
posted by Floydd at 6:27 AM on November 4, 2011


taz should have put some electrical tape over her username. We'd never be able to identify which mod did the bannin'.
posted by Think_Long at 6:27 AM on November 4, 2011 [13 favorites]


Jesus, C_D. I think you are too old for tantrums on the internet. Unplug your computer and go do something else for a while.
posted by rtha at 6:29 AM on November 4, 2011


That comment was uncalled for, although it seems like it'd be more appropriate for a different mod to do the banning. And for there to be so much high-five favoriting of it.
posted by DU at 6:31 AM on November 4, 2011 [5 favorites]


Well Taz you just did (one of) your first bannings, how did that feel?

Well, I believe he expected to be banned after he sent me an over-the-top Mefi Mail... and since it didn't happen, he had to get as offensive as possible publicly, I guess. I don't really feel anything except a little bemused.
posted by taz (staff) at 6:31 AM on November 4, 2011 [7 favorites]


DU: "And for there to be so much high-five favoriting of it."

I see it as less hi-fiving and more of a "thank you".
posted by Slack-a-gogo at 6:33 AM on November 4, 2011 [10 favorites]


Is it recipe time yet? Or just time to close this up?
posted by Grither at 6:34 AM on November 4, 2011


Since he now can't defend his already indefensible position, wouldn't it be fair to close this up?
posted by crunchland at 6:34 AM on November 4, 2011


... it'd be more appropriate for a different mod to do the banning.

What? Why? It's not like there was any contested middle ground or verbiage open to interpretation.
posted by griphus at 6:34 AM on November 4, 2011 [5 favorites]


For the record, my favorite to taz was a "thank you" and not a high-five. Is that okay? If not, I will remove the favorite and say: thank you, taz, for doing that.
posted by rtha at 6:36 AM on November 4, 2011 [1 favorite]


Recipe time!!
posted by tr33hggr at 6:37 AM on November 4, 2011


Tempeh Orzilla:

8 oz orzo

For the tempeh
8 oz tempeh
1 tablespoon olive oil
1/2 teaspoon dried coriander
1/2 teaspoon anise seed
1 tablespoon soy sauce

For the sauce:
2 teaspoons olive oil
1 small red onion, thinly sliced
4 cloves garlic, minced
1/2 cup sundried tomatoes (dry ones, not the oil packed kind)
1/2 teaspoon dried rosemary
1 cup dry white wine wine
1/2 teaspoon salt
Fresh black pepper
1 cup vegetable broth
2 tablespoons nutritional yeast
3 cups baby spinach

To prepare the tempeh:
For time management, I steam the tempeh first, and prep the veggies, then rinse out the pot and boil salted water for the orzo. So, tear the tempeh into bite sized pieces and steam for 10 minutes. Set tempeh aside and proceed with the recipe.

Preheat a small pan over medium heat. Saute tempeh in oil for about 10 minutes, mashing the tempeh into crumbles with your spatula as you go. Add the spices and soy sauce, and saute another 2 minutes, then turn off the heat and cover until ready to use.

To prepare the pasta and sauce:
Boil orzo until al dente, then drain.

In the meantime, preheat a large pan over medium heat. Saute the onion in olive oil with a pinch of salt until soft, about 5 minutes. Add garlic and saute for 30 seconds more.

Add rosemary, wine and sundried tomatoes. Season with salt and pepper and turn the heat up to bring the sauce to a simmer. Let simmer until reduced by about half, 5 minutes or so.

Add broth and yeast and warm through. Then add the spinach in handfuls, letting each batch wilt before adding the next. Cook until spinach is thoroughly wilted then turn the heat off, add the orzo, mix well, and serve topped with tempeh crumbles.
posted by tr33hggr at 6:38 AM on November 4, 2011 [8 favorites]


oh dear god, no.
posted by kev23f at 6:38 AM on November 4, 2011


MetaFilter: I don't really feel anything except a little bemused.

I'm sorry this had to happen. Everyone gets a hug from me today, especially. C_D.
posted by Eideteker at 6:40 AM on November 4, 2011 [3 favorites]


Should have attributed - from Post Punk Kitchen
posted by tr33hggr at 6:40 AM on November 4, 2011


That comment was uncalled for, although it seems like it'd be more appropriate for a different mod to do the banning.

We were already talking about this over email this morning what with the recent aggro stuff and the really recent shitty email stuff. This metatalk was the only thing that put the brakes for a bit on dropping a timeout immediately, and the C_D decided to go all-in with it apparently, and that's totally enough of that.

And please cut it out with the RECIPE TIEM stuff.
posted by cortex (staff) at 6:43 AM on November 4, 2011 [10 favorites]


Hey now, don't be mean. Wherever you go, there you are.
posted by Meatbomb at 6:45 AM on November 4, 2011 [7 favorites]


Posting recipes in a MetaTalk thread should also get you banned.
posted by jack_mo at 6:45 AM on November 4, 2011 [27 favorites]


Why does a website called Post Punk Kitchen have recipes for anything outside of cheap irish whiskey and white bread, butter and processed cheese sandwiches served on three-quarters of a Voidoids record being simultaneously used as an ashtray.
posted by griphus at 6:46 AM on November 4, 2011 [14 favorites]


Ideally there would also be helpful "hints from heloise" type things about how to wash blood off of leather.
posted by elizardbits at 6:48 AM on November 4, 2011 [4 favorites]


Wow.
posted by tr33hggr at 6:50 AM on November 4, 2011


I would read the shit out of a "hints from scarabic" weekly column.
posted by desjardins at 6:51 AM on November 4, 2011 [6 favorites]


And please cut it out with the RECIPE TIEM stuff.

Man, I've actually scored good recipes from meta threads.

Fine. Whatever. Grab my pubes. It's ADVENTURE TIME. *wooshes into the sky farting rainbows*
posted by loquacious at 6:56 AM on November 4, 2011 [11 favorites]


Tempeh Godzilla:

For the tempeh
8 oz tempeh
1 tablespoon olive oil
1/2 teaspoon dried coriander
1/2 teaspoon anise seed
1 tablespoon soy sauce

For the Godzilla
1 Godzilla (green, ripe; if not in season, substitute canned Mechagodzilla)

To prepare the tempeh:
For time management, I steam the tempeh first, prior to summoning Godzilla from his undersea slumber. So, tear the tempeh into bite sized pieces and steam for 10 minutes. Set tempeh aside and proceed with the recipe.

For the Godzilla:
Summon Godzilla.

AAAAAHH! HOLY FUCK! What the fuck am I going to do with all this tempeh, there's a fucking giant fire breathing fucking what lizard or some shit just tearing everything apart! Jesus! Half the city is on fire and there are people screaming, Jesus, shit man, fuck!

And no one really likes tempeh anyway! Why did I make a recipe that required summoning Godzilla?!? Jesus, shit! That was so dumb! Fuck Epicurious! AAAAH I'm on fire ow
posted by Admiral Haddock at 6:58 AM on November 4, 2011 [75 favorites]


I'm not seeing the C-D account as disabled?
posted by Meatbomb at 6:58 AM on November 4, 2011


*punches Godzilla in the junkbasket*
posted by loquacious at 6:59 AM on November 4, 2011


A-H, that's divine!
posted by tr33hggr at 6:59 AM on November 4, 2011


I think the recipe-posting is how another couple of other sites deal with trolls/controversy/general upset -- it's a sort of "boosting the noise to block the signal" distraction so people don't get all caught up in what the troll/nasty commenter said.

But those mods don't have as much of a hands-on, roll-up-your-sleeves and get-to-work approach as they do here. So not sure it translates as well.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:00 AM on November 4, 2011


There's a sort of indefinite ban option that's mostly a holdover from before we had the big red button that doesn't show account disabled, taz used that initially. Fixed it.
posted by cortex (staff) at 7:00 AM on November 4, 2011


Heh.
posted by Edogy at 7:01 AM on November 4, 2011


Tempeh Gojira is a lot like Tempeh Godzilla except instead of feeling you leaving exhilerated at the end, you end up feeling melancholy and, if you're American, with a deep sense of shame and guilt.
posted by griphus at 7:02 AM on November 4, 2011


Meanwhile, Tempeh Gamera is a big hit with the kids.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 7:03 AM on November 4, 2011 [2 favorites]


That wasn't very civil disobedience at all.
posted by dirtdirt at 7:07 AM on November 4, 2011 [8 favorites]


DU: And for there to be so much high-five favoriting of it.

So that's what favourites are for now? I didn't get the memo. I was going for a "here, here" kind of favourite.

BTW, nice try cortex but obviously taz initially hit the "hellban" button by mistake.
posted by GeckoDundee at 7:11 AM on November 4, 2011 [3 favorites]


What a bizarre hill to... die on? What the hell C_D.
posted by cavalier at 7:11 AM on November 4, 2011 [1 favorite]


I brook no tempeh.
posted by Ghidorah at 7:12 AM on November 4, 2011


do not raz mah taz.
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 7:15 AM on November 4, 2011 [14 favorites]


Remember when you were a kid and your parents made you make up with your siblings by hugging? We need that here.
posted by Foci for Analysis at 7:16 AM on November 4, 2011


More like, uncivil disobedience, amirite?

Seriously, I hope whatever situation has driven civil_disobedience into inchoate rage recedes. That was a good YouTube footage (and I was actually heartened by the supervisor's actions), and it's too bad it was presented along with the "I sexed up the moderators' moms" weirdness.
posted by ignignokt at 7:22 AM on November 4, 2011


Now C_D is one of the 1% who get banned.
posted by crunchland at 7:28 AM on November 4, 2011 [1 favorite]


As much as it seems like c_d deserves this pile on, maybe close it up?
posted by Horselover Phattie at 7:29 AM on November 4, 2011


Weird.
posted by h00py at 7:30 AM on November 4, 2011


Yeah, we wanted to give it a minute to breath in case there was something that folks needed to talk about, but I'm not sure there's a whole lot to say here. Happy Friday, everybody.
posted by cortex (staff) at 7:31 AM on November 4, 2011 [1 favorite]


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