Do we need to load comments to flag something? April 24, 2012 6:00 PM Subscribe
Is there a reason we can't flag a post without clicking in to the thread? It seems like it adds a click for no reason? Or is this an oddity of my out-of-date browser on an out-of-date OS on an out-of-date macbook?
there could be additional information "under the fold" that could make you decide it's not flag-worthy.
posted by cupcake1337 at 6:03 PM on April 24, 2012
posted by cupcake1337 at 6:03 PM on April 24, 2012
You have it backwards. You're trying to move on before flagging.
posted by cjorgensen at 6:11 PM on April 24, 2012 [20 favorites]
posted by cjorgensen at 6:11 PM on April 24, 2012 [20 favorites]
When you flag a post, you're not just flagging the part on the front page. There's [more inside], comments, etc. You have to be sure.
posted by carsonb at 6:14 PM on April 24, 2012
posted by carsonb at 6:14 PM on April 24, 2012
Yeah, this is deliberate. We wanted to add a slight speedbump to those placing flags as well as making sure people saw the entire post inside.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 6:15 PM on April 24, 2012
posted by mathowie (staff) at 6:15 PM on April 24, 2012
Or, as cortex put it back in the day when I asked, you can favorite from the front page because doing so is your own private little deal; favoriting is for you and doesn't razzle anyone else. Flagging, on the other hand, is passing of some work/message/expectation to someone else (the moderators), and as such it isn't so easy.
posted by carsonb at 6:15 PM on April 24, 2012
posted by carsonb at 6:15 PM on April 24, 2012
Yeah, this is deliberate. We wanted to add a slight speedbump to those placing flags as well as making sure people saw the entire post inside.Alright, cool. Thanks for the speedful response!
posted by kavasa at 6:17 PM on April 24, 2012
It seems like it adds a click for no reason?
I just tried to get the world's tiniest violin to play, but it refused.
posted by Horace Rumpole at 6:18 PM on April 24, 2012 [7 favorites]
I just tried to get the world's tiniest violin to play, but it refused.
posted by Horace Rumpole at 6:18 PM on April 24, 2012 [7 favorites]
I just tried to get the world's tiniest violin to play, but it refused.
User experience matters.
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 8:36 PM on April 24, 2012 [1 favorite]
User experience matters.
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 8:36 PM on April 24, 2012 [1 favorite]
Horace Rumpole: "It seems like it adds a click for no reason?
I just tried to get the world's tiniest violin to play, but it refused."
Try clicking.
posted by Splunge at 8:38 PM on April 24, 2012
I just tried to get the world's tiniest violin to play, but it refused."
Try clicking.
posted by Splunge at 8:38 PM on April 24, 2012
Typically violins do not play themselves.
posted by shakespeherian at 8:39 PM on April 24, 2012
posted by shakespeherian at 8:39 PM on April 24, 2012
Apparently it is.
posted by shakespeherian at 8:42 PM on April 24, 2012 [1 favorite]
posted by shakespeherian at 8:42 PM on April 24, 2012 [1 favorite]
You know those memes that look like they are starting out saying something bad, but when you get the whole message, it changes the context, and hence the meaning? You never know, man.
posted by SpacemanStix at 8:42 PM on April 24, 2012
posted by SpacemanStix at 8:42 PM on April 24, 2012
You're trying to move on before flagging.
This.
I mean, take the post out to dinner first and see how things go. You might end up having great chemistry and quite likely end up favoriting each other before the evening is over.
posted by special-k at 8:49 PM on April 24, 2012 [1 favorite]
This.
I mean, take the post out to dinner first and see how things go. You might end up having great chemistry and quite likely end up favoriting each other before the evening is over.
posted by special-k at 8:49 PM on April 24, 2012 [1 favorite]
Huh.
I have some kind of a superpower for writing meta posts that prompt needling insults for no reason. Maybe when I post my sixth, another seven years from now, you'll be able to get a tune from that violin.
posted by kavasa at 9:06 PM on April 24, 2012
I have some kind of a superpower for writing meta posts that prompt needling insults for no reason. Maybe when I post my sixth, another seven years from now, you'll be able to get a tune from that violin.
posted by kavasa at 9:06 PM on April 24, 2012
This is a perfectly serious response.
posted by timsteil at 9:29 PM on April 24, 2012 [5 favorites]
posted by timsteil at 9:29 PM on April 24, 2012 [5 favorites]
Ask your doctor if CITFIAMO is right for you.
posted by special-k at 9:45 PM on April 24, 2012 [2 favorites]
posted by special-k at 9:45 PM on April 24, 2012 [2 favorites]
User experience matters.
It does, but flagging is targeted at a different level of community function than maximized convenience. We don't want it to be a difficult procedure but by tucking the flagging mechanism inside the post we can assure that there's at least a higher likelihood that someone has seen whatever the context of the whole post is (and maybe a glance at how it's going comments-wise) to inform their decision to flag-or-not. Like Matt says, it's a little bit of friction, to help the flagging process be a little more deliberate.
posted by cortex (staff) at 10:00 PM on April 24, 2012
It does, but flagging is targeted at a different level of community function than maximized convenience. We don't want it to be a difficult procedure but by tucking the flagging mechanism inside the post we can assure that there's at least a higher likelihood that someone has seen whatever the context of the whole post is (and maybe a glance at how it's going comments-wise) to inform their decision to flag-or-not. Like Matt says, it's a little bit of friction, to help the flagging process be a little more deliberate.
posted by cortex (staff) at 10:00 PM on April 24, 2012
The front page is already busy. Adding all those extra controls per post would make it terrifying.
posted by Chocolate Pickle at 10:10 PM on April 24, 2012
posted by Chocolate Pickle at 10:10 PM on April 24, 2012
it's a little bit of friction, to help the flagging process be a little more deliberate.
Just for the record I think the interface is as it should be. My comment about user experience mattering was directed at the idea that an extra click was somehow too small a thing to be worthy of asking about.
I have some kind of a superpower for writing meta posts that prompt needling insults for no reason.
Alas, doing that does not require a superpower.
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 11:12 PM on April 24, 2012
Just for the record I think the interface is as it should be. My comment about user experience mattering was directed at the idea that an extra click was somehow too small a thing to be worthy of asking about.
I have some kind of a superpower for writing meta posts that prompt needling insults for no reason.
Alas, doing that does not require a superpower.
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 11:12 PM on April 24, 2012
How about being able to flag fully-visible comments on the recent activity page? You don't need much context to know an AskMe comment is inappropriate, plus if it's in your recent activity, you likely already know the context.
posted by salvia at 12:16 AM on April 25, 2012
posted by salvia at 12:16 AM on April 25, 2012
plus if it's in your recent activity, you likely already know the context.
Not necessarily. We're just happier if people click-through to read the comment in context. We don't even get to use our admin-delete powers in Recent Activity, we really want people to be looking at the thread. There is already a large-seeming (to me) group of flaggers who seem to flag AskMe questions without reading the "more inside" part. I mean I figure this is what they are doing because the question above the fold is something short and pithy and possibly chatfiltery but the "more inside" part pretty clearly explains why they're asking, what problem they want to solve, etc. Since we check out every single flag in AskMe this is a little bit vexing but we're not getting the feeling that AskMe is getting under-flagged.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 6:41 AM on April 25, 2012
Not necessarily. We're just happier if people click-through to read the comment in context. We don't even get to use our admin-delete powers in Recent Activity, we really want people to be looking at the thread. There is already a large-seeming (to me) group of flaggers who seem to flag AskMe questions without reading the "more inside" part. I mean I figure this is what they are doing because the question above the fold is something short and pithy and possibly chatfiltery but the "more inside" part pretty clearly explains why they're asking, what problem they want to solve, etc. Since we check out every single flag in AskMe this is a little bit vexing but we're not getting the feeling that AskMe is getting under-flagged.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 6:41 AM on April 25, 2012
Typically violins do not play themselves.
Well typically, no. But with very small ones, down on the Planck scale, quantum uncertainty comes into play and random sub-atomic vibrations will produce the necessary motion. There is a definable probability, n, that those vibrations will be coherent enough to produce a tone and an even smaller, but non-zero, probability, n(x), that the tones will produce a recognizable melody.
So there.
posted by Naberius at 6:51 AM on April 25, 2012 [1 favorite]
Well typically, no. But with very small ones, down on the Planck scale, quantum uncertainty comes into play and random sub-atomic vibrations will produce the necessary motion. There is a definable probability, n, that those vibrations will be coherent enough to produce a tone and an even smaller, but non-zero, probability, n(x), that the tones will produce a recognizable melody.
So there.
posted by Naberius at 6:51 AM on April 25, 2012 [1 favorite]
I have some kind of a superpower for writing meta posts that prompt needling insults for no reason.
My snark was excessive, and I apologize. I read your post as complaining about the labor involved, and your followup, which I hadn't seen when I made my comment, makes it clear that wasn't your intention.
posted by Horace Rumpole at 4:55 PM on April 25, 2012
My snark was excessive, and I apologize. I read your post as complaining about the labor involved, and your followup, which I hadn't seen when I made my comment, makes it clear that wasn't your intention.
posted by Horace Rumpole at 4:55 PM on April 25, 2012
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posted by Ardiril at 6:01 PM on April 24, 2012 [3 favorites]