New FanFare Feature: testing the waters with Movies May 16, 2014 12:44 PM   Subscribe

The FanFare site is evolving and we mentioned in the first post about it that we'll someday be moving into other areas of pop culture on the site. The TV experiments have gone pretty well so we're going to start playing with movies as a major post type matter on the site.

The plan is to run this for the next few weeks much like we did with TV, where it's mod-only posting at first, and I think the best experiment is testing the waters with big budget silly Summer blockbuster popcorn films. Today we're starting off with last week's big Summer season opener The Amazing Spider-man 2, and this week's blockbuster Godzilla. I purposely didn't link to the two threads because these will be filled with spoilers and it's probably best to only read them after you've seen them.

We'll be putting tougher questions like how to handle the previous 100 years of cinema history on the site on the back-burner for now, and instead spend the first part of the Summer building out the functionality to support Movies alongside TV, based on all the fun films that come out during this time of year.
posted by mathowie to MetaFilter-Related at 12:44 PM (83 comments total) 5 users marked this as a favorite

Well this is great! I like films, and talking, and MetaFilter. Splendid!
posted by Mister_A at 12:51 PM on May 16, 2014 [1 favorite]


It would be nice if there were a link to all movies on the sidebar like the link to all recaps per show. This sounds awesome, especially if there will be one for the movie I am most looking forward to unless the reviews are disastrous, Maleficent.
posted by jeather at 12:53 PM on May 16, 2014


Maybe we can do milestones on past movies? I was watching The Fifth Element last night and thinking we're just a couple years away from the 20th anniversary ...
posted by tilde at 12:55 PM on May 16, 2014


Would it be too late for a Captain America: The Winter Soldier post?
posted by griphus at 12:56 PM on May 16, 2014 [1 favorite]


Based on my recent AskMe thread and some activity on my Twitter feed last night, America really wants to discuss The Goonies.

Did you know Cindi Lauper sang the theme song?
posted by bondcliff at 12:58 PM on May 16, 2014 [6 favorites]


Amazing!

It would be nice if there were a link to all movies on the sidebar like the link to all recaps per show.

Might be better to have an autocomplete search bar for shows and movies. These lists are going to get looooong.
posted by lalex at 1:01 PM on May 16, 2014


Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa--*deep breath*--aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.

Seriously while I'm loving the TV side of things, older movies are so much more amenable to organized viewing and discussion than old shows. I am completely 100% down for weekly (or more often) MeFi Movie Club, who's with me?
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 1:01 PM on May 16, 2014 [18 favorites]


Might be better to have an autocomplete search bar for shows and movies.

Yeah, eventually, I think that will be the first element on the page, Search for Movies & TV shows: that auto-completes to what we have. We'll add it once these lists get unwieldy, and there's always the Archives page to list all Movies.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 1:03 PM on May 16, 2014 [1 favorite]


bondcliff: "Did you know Cindi Lauper sang the theme song?"

...there are people who DON'T know that?
posted by Chrysostom at 1:05 PM on May 16, 2014 [7 favorites]


Holy cow. Awesome!

Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish: "I am completely 100% down for weekly (or more often) MeFi Movie Club, who's with me?"

I'm in.

JHarris is organizing a group-streaming thing for MST3K (first FF post here for The Crawling Eye, his comments on Sync Video here) so people can watch together.
posted by zarq at 1:05 PM on May 16, 2014 [5 favorites]


Yeah, I saw the Godzilla post go up and got all excited because my wife and I finally sat down to watch Pacific Rim last night. Which was a good time - the movie is hilariously weird, and we each had a moment where we got to turn to each other and say:

"In a movie about giant robots fighting giant monsters, that *little quibble you just mentioned* is what's breaking your suspension of disbelief?"

And I was thinking when I went to bed that it would be fun to discuss here too, and that it would be great if FanFare started to do movies. So awesome timing from that perspective, what's not so awesome for me is that I'm usually about a year behind in terms of seeing movies, so, yeah. I'll catch up later.
posted by nubs at 1:16 PM on May 16, 2014 [3 favorites]


Yeah, I was arguing with a friend last night that claimed the acting was bad in Pacific Rim and I said "what acting? I was too busy watching giant robots punch monsters to notice"
posted by mathowie (staff) at 1:21 PM on May 16, 2014 [15 favorites]


Would it be too late for a Captain America: The Winter Soldier post?

Naw, that would make a good tester, probably the highest number of people have already seen that. I'll go add it now (we did have an amazing pseudo-thread about Marvel that was mostly about that movie on MeFi already).
posted by mathowie (staff) at 1:23 PM on May 16, 2014 [2 favorites]


We had an ASM2 thread too, so either way.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 1:27 PM on May 16, 2014


This is really exciting and I hope some sort of protocol around older movies gets settled, though I understand the difficulties involved. I will be peremptorily assembling discussion points for Persona just in case.

Also: are documentaries allowed? Only asking because I just saw Jodorowsky's Dune and it's on my mind.
posted by invitapriore at 1:30 PM on May 16, 2014


Also: are documentaries allowed?

Yeah, they will, eventually. For now since it's mod-posting only for the first few weeks it'll just be blockbusters, but eventually we'll track things by genre and stuff.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 1:34 PM on May 16, 2014


With movies that are part of a larger universe, like Marvel films, is there going to be any kind of spoiler rules in that comic canon and/or other films in the universe cannot be discussed?

i dont want that rule
posted by elizardbits at 1:36 PM on May 16, 2014 [4 favorites]


I am not a rule maker but I think that anything that happened in previous movies should be fair game for discussion. Like, if something happened in Iron Man 3 that has something to do with something that happened in The Avengers, you should be able to mention the part from the Avengers.
posted by troika at 1:40 PM on May 16, 2014 [1 favorite]


We've already sort of run into that in the latest Marvel Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. thread. The series has a lot of references that people who follow the comics will notice, and has not given backstory for some major characters yet (Nick Fury, for one). So if someone asks "Why does Fury wear an eyepatch?" it becomes difficult to explain without giving away potential spoilers.

I think once a movie has been released, spoiler rules no longer apply. So if you're watching Guardians of the Galaxy and an Iron Man 2 reference shows up, that's a movie that's been out for a while and can be safely referenced.
posted by zarq at 1:41 PM on May 16, 2014 [2 favorites]


Are there any big spoilers in Marvel universe movies? I know the recent Captain America sets up stuff from old comic books (formation of Falcon, etc), but I can't imagine a situation where someone brings up a comic book plot and says "I bet x happens to $character-name!" because the next future Marvel movie is what, 3 or 4 years away? Especially if we're talking current summer blockbuster movies.

I don't think spoilers rules we set up for situations like future episodes or books in TV Shows map directly to movies. It's kind of apples and oranges and I don't think spoiling anything is going to be nearly as big of an issue with movies as it is with episodic television.

I mean, maybe if we were doing old stuff, people could mention plot points from Superman 2 or Amazing Spider-man 2 in a Superman 1 or Amazing Spider-man 1 post, but really that's weird and something we'll have to think about later when the site supports it. Also, we're talking many years between these films and people don't really watch them in order. I don't know anyone that has only seen Iron Man 1 and tells everyone to shut up about Iron Man 3 because they are waiting to see it still.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 1:41 PM on May 16, 2014


The Marvel Cinematic Universe movies are functionally like episodes of a TV show and should be treated as such.

While discussing a current movie, all the previously released MCU movies and Agents of SHIELD episodes should be fair game for discussion. Otherwise it's like trying to discuss a single episode of a TV show without being allowed to reference events from previous TV shows.

Chronological order of the MCU movies, Agents of SHIELD episodes, and comic tie-ins.
posted by Jacqueline at 1:46 PM on May 16, 2014 [2 favorites]


tilde: Maybe we can do milestones on past movies?

Milestones often bring about a ton of interesting material, like old documentaries and photos, cast reunions, and new thoughts on these old films, the kind of thing that makes a fun MetaFilter FPP. Of course, the discussions get into reminsicing about the movie, discussing the plot and elements, just as you'd get with a FanFare post.

In summary, I think FanFare works best for things people want to chat about, but aren't on their own so noteworthy as to get a FPP. If you're looking forward to the 20th anniversary of The Fifth Element, you can probably find an interesting aspect of the movie that hasn't been posted yet, and make an FPP today.
posted by filthy light thief at 1:49 PM on May 16, 2014 [3 favorites]


Totally agree with you on MeFi posts vs. FanFare posts, filthy light thief.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 1:52 PM on May 16, 2014 [2 favorites]


nubs: "In a movie about giant robots fighting giant monsters, that *little quibble you just mentioned* is what's breaking your suspension of disbelief?"

Heh, my pinnacle of this annoying habit/action was at an anime convention in California, where a bunch of the Japanese production staff were in a QA panel. Some jerk detailed a particular nuclear reaction shouldn't have exploded or something, because in the real world, there were protections against that particular event happening.

Dude, the protagonist flies through the air, and (s)he isn't a bird.

Seriously, the guy went on and on with the background of why this wasn't possible, and a ton of people weren't able to ask their questions. Crappy moderation to not cut the guy off 2 minutes into his question, but we mostly blamed the dude.

Following this and similar nerdy debates amongst friends, we came up with the Invisible Zombie rule. If there you can accept zombies as a force in a story, there can be invisible zombies. You have already accepted the impossible (reanimated dead desiring to attack the living) as being possible in this movie/ show/ comic, so don't get so hung up on the "super" impossible (invisible zombies being a thing).
posted by filthy light thief at 1:57 PM on May 16, 2014


The series has a lot of references that people who follow the comics will notice, and has not given backstory for some major characters yet (Nick Fury, for one). So if someone asks "Why does Fury wear an eyepatch?" it becomes difficult to explain without giving away potential spoilers.

Yeah but, "potential spoilers" is basically just another word for "pure speculation". Marvel has established that the comic-book universe is one universe (Earth-616) and there are a bunch of other comic-book universes, and the Marvel Cinematic Universe is its own parallel universe (Wikipedia even has a handy list). Stuff that's true in one universe by no means has to be true in the other universes, so I don't see why comic-book-based speculation would be a problem, since it's just that - speculation.
posted by mstokes650 at 2:05 PM on May 16, 2014 [2 favorites]


I would think the problem with MCU stuff is the ordering with Agents of Shield. Part of the season that just finished takes place after Winter Soldier. I personally wouldn't care if the end of the season got referred to, but I don't know how you'd make that consistent with existing spoiler rules.

Also putting a bid in for a thread for X-Men Days of Future Past, which is out next week.
posted by immlass at 2:10 PM on May 16, 2014


I am curious about outside knowledge stuff too so we'll see how it goes. Spider-man, specifically, has some stuff I know about it by reading IMDB (about future movies) that you wouldn't know otherwise. I bet people don't give a shit because it's Spider-man and not like an episodic drama but we'll see how that goes as people talk about it.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 2:27 PM on May 16, 2014


Maybe I missed this in the last big discussion about FanFare, but is there like an official stand on double posts on FanFare and the Front Page?
posted by Lutoslawski at 2:27 PM on May 16, 2014


I would think the problem with MCU stuff is the ordering with Agents of Shield. Part of the season that just finished takes place after Winter Soldier. I personally wouldn't care if the end of the season got referred to, but I don't know how you'd make that consistent with existing spoiler rules.

For those who don't want to puzzle through all the solid and dotted lines from the graphic I linked, here is the viewing order of the MCU movies and TV shows:

Released:
01. Iron Man
02. The Incredible Hulk
03. Iron Man 2
04. Thor
05. Captain America: The First Avenger
06. The Avengers
07. Iron Man 3
08. Agents of SHIELD Season 1 E01-E07
09. Thor: The Dark World
10. Agents of SHIELD Season 1 E08-E16
11. Captain America: The Winter Soldier
12. Agents of SHIELD Season 1 E17-E22

Upcoming (projected dates -- final order may change):
13. Guardians of the Galaxy (August 2014)
14. Agents of SHIELD Season 2 (2014-15)
15. Agent Carter ABC series Season 1 (begins airing in 2014-15 but is set in 1950s)
16. Avengers: Age of Ultron (May 2015)
17. Ant-Man (July 2015)
18. Daredevil Netflix miniseries (TBD 2015)
19. Agents of SHIELD Season 3 (2015-16)
20. Captain America 3 (May 2016)
21(?). Jessica Jones Netflix miniseries (TBD)
22(?). Iron Fist Netflix miniseries (TBD)
23(?). Luke Cage Netflix miniseries (TBD)
24. Defenders Netflix miniseries (TBD)
(I am unsure of the exact projected release order of the Netflix miniseries other than Daredevil will be first and Defenders will be last.)

The way to make discussion of the MCU consistent with the Fanfare spoiler rules is to treat each of the numbered items above like sequential episodes in one big "show" -- thus it is OK to refer to events of any movie/episode that is a LOWER number on the above list than the movie/episode that the thread is about, but referencing anything with a HIGHER number should be flagged/deleted as a spoiler as those events hadn't happened yet.

So, for Captain America: The Winter Soldier, perhaps we could include an above-the-fold note that clarifies "Discussion may include spoilers for previous Marvel Cinematic Universe movies and Agents of SHIELD Season 1 Episodes 1-16. Please do not refer to events from later episodes or movies."

Does that work for everyone?
posted by Jacqueline at 2:28 PM on May 16, 2014 [5 favorites]




Would it be too late for a Captain America: The Winter Soldier post?


not while I still draw breath no
posted by The Whelk at 2:39 PM on May 16, 2014 [1 favorite]




Jacqueline: mathowie has already made your dreams come true

Below the fold, mathowie wrote:
I didn't love the first Captain America, but this one was way better. A great story, tons of characters with interesting stories themselves, and overall some great world-building that I bet we'll see show up in future sequels.
Question - is it OK to present your own thoughts and feelings above and/or below the fold in a FanFare posts? This post would indicate "yes," but I wanted to check. Perhaps this has been hammered out already, but if so, I missed it (clearly).
posted by filthy light thief at 2:58 PM on May 16, 2014


We're still working out what is "normal" for the site, but I've seen a sentence or two after go pretty well, usually about some background, sometimes just raw opinions. I usually save a longer thoughts on a thing for the first comment like I did in the Godzilla one.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 3:23 PM on May 16, 2014


Yeah I feel like we're looking for dry short sentence stuff for TV shows, we may want ot err on the side of more like that for movies as well otherwise we wid up moderating different lines all over the site.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 3:51 PM on May 16, 2014


wow this is all happening so fast

I am - whatever is the opposite of disappoint. I am not disappoint.
posted by sweetkid at 4:45 PM on May 16, 2014 [7 favorites]


Neat!
posted by cashman at 4:53 PM on May 16, 2014


Oh wow, you mean my "Finally saw a movie two years late...where can I find comments?" outlet will now be MeFi instead of the IMDB sewer? This is good.
posted by Drinky Die at 5:06 PM on May 16, 2014 [12 favorites]


I'm already finding FanFare to be getting a little busy. If we're going to do movies as well, how about a parallel, similar subsection, maybe called Popcorn.Metafilter.com?
posted by pjern at 5:53 PM on May 16, 2014 [1 favorite]


So how do we get Sandisk to give up Fanfare.com since right now it just redirects to a 404 on the Sandisk website?
posted by Jahaza at 6:12 PM on May 16, 2014


That's good news: that Fanfare is going well. I'm still hoping for the book section.
posted by dhruva at 6:17 PM on May 16, 2014 [1 favorite]


So if someone asks "Why does Fury wear an eyepatch?" it becomes difficult to explain without giving away potential spoilers.

Hey, zarq, that was me - but I wasn't really asking why he wears an eyepatch, I mostly just wanted to know if his eye did some CGI-flashy thing in that shot, or if I just imagined it. still wondering :-(
posted by oh yeah! at 6:22 PM on May 16, 2014


Are there any big spoilers in Marvel universe movies? I know the recent Captain America sets up stuff from old comic books (formation of Falcon, etc), but I can't imagine a situation where someone brings up a comic book plot and says "I bet x happens to $character-name!"

For Cap there's definitely one fairly big one that comic readers are making reasonable guesses about based just on the number of movies a certain actor has signed on to make.

But I'm interested in how Marvel themselves will handle this, since the way they handled the Winter Soldier's identity--which was a BIG surprise moment in the comics--was to not try to hide it at all. Everyone went on the promo circuit and no one tried to hide who was playing the WS.
posted by lovecrafty at 6:28 PM on May 16, 2014 [1 favorite]


Excellent choice for expansion. I hope other media

THE WOMAN FROM ITALY SAYS PODCASTS ARE NEXT
WELCOME TO NIGHT VALE THREADS WOULD BE BEST

such as books or music would be added soon, at the mods' discretion.
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 6:31 PM on May 16, 2014 [4 favorites]


The sheriff's secret police are putting pressure on the mods to prevent night vale discussion threads.
posted by vibratory manner of working at 6:40 PM on May 16, 2014 [4 favorites]


Shouldn't you two still be at the company picnic?
posted by Drinky Die at 7:02 PM on May 16, 2014 [3 favorites]


Gotta say, Welcome to Night Vale Greater Desert Bluffs Metropolitan Area would be an excellent test for podcasting since it would have intense interest immediately after every episode shows up.
posted by mrmorgan at 7:11 PM on May 16, 2014 [3 favorites]


If we start doing podcasts, can we do other audio programs like This American Life etc.?
posted by Jacqueline at 7:14 PM on May 16, 2014 [2 favorites]


Does that work for everyone?

Cross-referencing everything said against a flowchart to make sure it's not a "spoiler" sounds super-tedious.
posted by curious nu at 7:30 PM on May 16, 2014 [3 favorites]


Oh man, I came here because I just noticed the new movie posts and wanted to find out how to make one because I just finished watching a film* and need to talk to someone about it pretty urgently. So: yay! And: [impatient, obnoxious foot tapping].

* (The Borderlands, new British rural horror, SO GOOD)
posted by EXISTENZ IS PAUSED at 7:37 PM on May 16, 2014 [1 favorite]


Cross-referencing everything said against a flowchart to make sure it's not a "spoiler" sounds super-tedious.

You don't need to reference a flowchart, you just have to check the US release/air dates and not mention stuff that was released/aired later than the movie/episode the thread is about.

Currently there is only ONE exception to this rule of thumb: The events of AoS S01E07 (Nov 12) occur before the events of Thor The Dark World (Nov 8). Everything else follows US release date order.

Going forward, it doesn't look like there will be any more opportunities for discrepancies between US release/air date order and Marvel's Earth-199999 timeline -- the announced movies are all scheduled for May and July releases, whereas network TV shows like Agents of SHIELD typically run from September to early May.

(It's possible that Netflix and their model of releasing all episodes for a season at once will eventually violate this rule of thumb with their five Defenders-related miniseries, but we don't have to deal with that until sometime next year so we can cross that bridge when we come to it.)
posted by Jacqueline at 7:48 PM on May 16, 2014


The flowchart I linked is primarily useful for figuring out where the Marvel One Shots and MCU/Earth-199999 tie-in comics go relative to everything else.

It's also a handy tool for fanfic authors who need to know when individual events within a movie and/or episode happen relative to individual events in other movies and/or episodes -- for example, some events of Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk occur simultaneously, as do some events in Iron Man 2, Thor, and the end scene of Captain America: The First Avenger (the comic tie-in for the latter is appropriately named Fury's Big Week).

But if you're just concerned about the ordering of the movies and TV episodes, then US release date order works for everything except the aforementioned single AoS episode.
posted by Jacqueline at 7:55 PM on May 16, 2014


(Dammit, brain, where was this pedantic ability to chronologically order and cross-reference events back when I was taking my history classes???)
posted by Jacqueline at 7:59 PM on May 16, 2014


Jacqueline, I appreciate that you are trying to think this through, and as long as this is sort of spitballing for the sake of enjoyable nerdery and mentally getting ducks nicely lined up, that is all good.

I just want to be clear here that the actual policy is going to continue to be much more "be considerate"/spirit of the law kind of stuff, not anything where people will be expected to preface their posts with a list of which spoilers are or aren't acceptable. Folks should flag things and drop us a note if there's an objectionable spoiler and we'll work it case-by-case.
posted by LobsterMitten (staff) at 8:01 PM on May 16, 2014 [1 favorite]


I don't like this. I think it dilutes the discussion pool for TV too much and clutters up the home page. And there are many many places online to talk about films already. But that's just me.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 8:09 PM on May 16, 2014


You might say this is because I dislike films and haven't seen on in the theater for years. And you would be at least 100% right.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 8:10 PM on May 16, 2014 [1 favorite]


Jacqueline, I appreciate that you are trying to think this through, and as long as this is sort of spitballing for the sake of enjoyable nerdery and mentally getting ducks nicely lined up, that is all good.

Several people upthread mentioned their concerns about how the Fanfare spoilers policy will be applied to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, which is indeed a special snowflake because of its transmedia storytelling.

My response to their concerns is that the easiest way to resolve this is to treat the entire MCU as one big "show" and the movies as "episodes" that are ordered relative to everything else their US release dates.

All the other stuff I posted is just evidence that everything thus far (except that one AoS episode) fits nicely into my suggested approach.

...not anything where people will be expected to preface their posts with a list of which spoilers are or aren't acceptable.

I'm not arguing that it be mandatory, just that it might be a nice courtesy for people to add to their MCU-related posts. But if y'all think we can safely assume that most people will already understand that anything released prior to the movie being discussed is fair game, then such a spoiler warning might be superfluous.
posted by Jacqueline at 8:16 PM on May 16, 2014


Sure, and nothing wrong with trying to work it through for that case, and you're doing a fine job of that.

I just wanted to reassure people in case anybody was getting apprehensive that there might be a requirement to go through the flowchart before being able to post or discuss. There won't be. We just want folks to be considerate, and if something specific comes up we can deal with it case-by-case.

I suppose this is probably another case where we've got some people who are really experts/well-versed in the comics and all the background stuff, and then others (like me!) who have seen some but not all of the MCU films, haven't read most of the comics, but still enjoy talking about the movies as they come out. The comics-knowledgable people are in a much better position to assess what is going to be a spoiler and in a better position to think through your big list of media and think about which storylines are in which ones. But for people like me, I can see people feeling like "whoa that is overwhelming and I am not an obsessive enough fan to even enter this discussion", and I wanted to assuage any worries along those lines.
posted by LobsterMitten (staff) at 8:27 PM on May 16, 2014 [2 favorites]


I suppose this is probably another case where we've got some people who are really experts/well-versed in the comics and all the background stuff, and then others (like me!) who have seen some but not all of the MCU films, haven't read most of the comics, but still enjoy talking about the movies as they come out.

The thing with comics is... it's all subject to change at any moment. Switch up writers. Reboot a character. Retcon this thing from twenty years ago. You can have a general idea of what might happen in the movies (just the title "The Winter Soldier" was a huge hint, for instance), but no specifics. Especially with all the licensing business that means there probably won't ever be any mutants/Spidey/FF in the MCU.

There used to be a joke that the only comic book characters who stayed dead were Uncle Ben, Jason Todd, and Bucky Barnes. Sure it took fifty some years, but even Bucky finally broke that rule.

And Marvel at least has made it very clear that the main Marvel comics universe (Earth-616) is a completely separate canon from the MCU (Earth-199999). (Though in the dark, dank corners of the Internet, you will still find people arguing passionately about how it's the wrongest thing in wrongville if Hank Pym doesn't invent Ultron in the movies.)
posted by lovecrafty at 8:45 PM on May 16, 2014 [1 favorite]


If we start doing podcasts, can we do other audio programs like This American Life etc.?

That would be great! Especially for Comedy Bang Bang and the like.
posted by Jon Mitchell at 8:50 PM on May 16, 2014


I had a dream last night where I was complaining that I don't like FanFare to Jessamyn, and she told me to STFU.
posted by Chrysostom at 9:15 PM on May 16, 2014 [4 favorites]


I think it's a safe bet that there will be nothing in the MCU movies which depends on the audience having seen any of the MCU tv/web-streaming series. If we'd had the Fanfare subsite going during the full run of Agents of Shield, the polite thing to do would have been to put a heads-up note above the fold saying 'Warning, this episode references events in Thor: The Dark World/Captain America: The Winter Soldier' so people would know not to watch the show or enter the thread until they'd gone to the multiplex if they wanted to see the films unspoiled.
posted by oh yeah! at 9:31 PM on May 16, 2014


My response to their concerns is that the easiest way to resolve this is to treat the entire MCU as one big "show" and the movies as "episodes" that are ordered relative to everything else their US release dates.

And what would be easier than that is for those few people (1) are super into the MCU but (2) haven't seen it all yet and (3) are going to be all grouchy about spoilers is to just stay out of those threads until they've watched whatever it is they want to watch.
posted by MoonOrb at 9:35 PM on May 16, 2014 [2 favorites]


Cool cool cool.

Are the movie posts going to be open for just the one month period?
posted by P.o.B. at 1:18 AM on May 17, 2014


The navigation isn't great in my opinion, having movies and TV lumped together and starting TV posts with the name of the show and movies with the word "movies" - its not really user-friendly because it isn't standardized. The issue here is that television is episodic and movies aren't (generally speaking anyhow, save the semi-episodic nature of giant blockbusters nowadays).

What about using different color headers for different media types? Or we could just rely on categories like we have in Ask, but that may not be enough visually.

Thanks for all of the hard work thus far! Y'all are awesome.
posted by sockermom at 1:40 AM on May 17, 2014


Are you going to do something about FanFare's color scheme? I don't think I'm along in hating it.
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 2:07 AM on May 17, 2014 [9 favorites]


While it's great to have a place to discuss movies, I think lumping them in with tv shows is really, really messy and confusing. Doubly-so if the feed is going to be date-based. Dates make sense for tv shows, not so much for movies.

Perhaps FanFare needs to be tabbed or otherwise segmented to have a page for tv discussions, and a separate page for movie discussions.
posted by Thorzdad at 4:26 AM on May 17, 2014 [2 favorites]


Yeah, separating posts by category seems like it'll be a very useful feature as more and more posts go up.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 5:36 AM on May 17, 2014


Are the movie posts going to be open for just the one month period?

Just like TV posts, they'll be open indefinitely unless/until it becomes clear there's more value in auto-closing them after some interval than in not doing so.

The navigation isn't great in my opinion, having movies and TV lumped together and starting TV posts with the name of the show and movies with the word "movies" - its not really user-friendly because it isn't standardized.

We'll definitely build out navigation/categorization/discovery stuff more in the future; with the expectation of things continuing to go well and us adding more media types down the road, the need for that will obviously be even more pronounced. Right now with this as just the first-blush run with a handful of movies, that's not the first priority is all, so bear with us.

Are you going to do something about FanFare's color scheme? I don't think I'm along in hating it.

I am a big personal advocate for doing something about it as well. That's the general plan, we just haven't gotten to trying rolling a color scheme out yet.
posted by cortex (staff) at 5:59 AM on May 17, 2014 [1 favorite]


Are you going to do something about FanFare's color scheme? I don't think I'm along in hating it.

I am a big personal advocate for doing something about it as well. That's the general plan, we just haven't gotten to trying rolling a color scheme out yet.


For a minute there, when I saw the word "rolling" I flashed back to that April Fools gag where the color changed slooowly, and I had no mouth and I must scream on the Internets.
posted by pjern at 7:28 AM on May 17, 2014


PLEASE make the background color something dark like the rest of the site. The bright white background wakes my husband up when I'm internetting in bed but the other subsites don't seem to bother him.
posted by Jacqueline at 7:56 AM on May 17, 2014 [4 favorites]


Yeah, the white background is to keep professionals alert and on their toes during their busy work week.
posted by Drinky Die at 8:05 AM on May 17, 2014 [1 favorite]


I think we should have some sort of system where individuals curate older media over a period of a few months or a year, like someone could do "teen flicks of the 80s" or "Hitchcock classics" and the curator would put together the list, decide on the posting order, and make each movie's post on set dates. I feel like that a) makes good use of metafilter's nerdery and curatorial abilities and b) focuses things a bit more than EVERYTHING EVER IN THE WORLD AT RANDOM and probably draws deeper conversations out.

Not for everything, like you don't have to come up with a film series to frame an oldie you want to discuss, but I think it would be fun and draw some more focused discussion on older movies. Also a way to do older TV shows. I can't recall if mods will be approving every FanFare post as it gets rolling, but maybe "curated rewatches" can be approved in bulk (like all six Hitchcock classics are approved so they can just be posted by the curator as they come up) and one-offs have to be approved individually? I don't know. Or maybe just an IRL-type system where people indicate their interest in a particular curated re-watch and the suggester than organizes it.

It'd help to have some kind of sidebar or page where there was a list of "current curated movie series" or whatever so people would know what date the discussion on "North by Northwest" was opening and on what streaming services it was available.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 9:02 AM on May 17, 2014 [6 favorites]


Any chance FanFare will grow to encompass novels? Because that would be amazing.
posted by evil otto at 9:03 AM on May 17, 2014 [5 favorites]


Drinky Die: "Yeah, the white background is to keep professionals alert and on their toes during their busy work week."

Once again I forget that not everyone else has the professional white background selected.
posted by octothorpe at 9:58 AM on May 17, 2014 [1 favorite]


Maybe we can do milestones on past movies? I was watching The Fifth Element last night and thinking we're just a couple years away from the 20th anniversary ...

Son of a bitch! 20th anniversary of Boron is coming up? This is awesome!
posted by hal_c_on at 11:18 AM on May 17, 2014


1997 called and sent this joke to take yours home.
posted by griphus at 2:13 PM on May 17, 2014


Somebody give me a holla if we do anything connected with The Hunger Games (movies or novels, I don't care. I just want a place to complain that I liked the first director/movie better than the second, for Reasons.)
posted by St. Alia of the Bunnies at 2:36 PM on May 17, 2014


This is great!

Maybe this was already answered in the previous gigantic meta thread, but will fanfare eventually be it's own separately URLd site? Or will it always be part of metafilter?

It seems like it could be a large, multipage site of it's own.

Just wondering...
posted by latkes at 4:04 PM on May 17, 2014


Just like TV posts, they'll be open indefinitely unless/until it becomes clear there's more value in auto-closing them after some interval than in not doing so.

Oh fabulous. I've just started BBC Sherlock series 1 now and it came out four years ago (I have so many points I want to discuss, like what the hell BBC, they don't have 21 year old curators at major British museums I don't care who they are)--and the same thing tends to happen with movies so yes, this is great news.
posted by librarylis at 4:34 PM on May 17, 2014 [1 favorite]


Per Eyebrows McGee and my own already-articulated thoughts, I'd really like to see a number of things coordinated such that organized rewatches and consequent discussion are facilitated for FanFare because otherwise I think that posts for older movies and television shows will just be both random and neglected.

Whereas, with some community organization and site functionality behind it, (carefully selected, based upon interest, I think) organized rewatches of both movies and television series could result in some very substantial value-added content for the site and the community.

My gut tells me that episode-specific threads of popular ongoing shows on FanFare will be a fairly popular part of MetaFilter and will grow over time — I'd love to see FanFare becoming the de facto heir to TWoP for episode-specific discussion of TV. But I don't think that anything that isn't either current or popular will get as much attention and a whole bunch of the older stuff that people will inevitably post, television or movies, will just mostly sit there with hardly any participation. Part of why I predict this is because despite the fact that FanFare participation will definitely grow over time, you can see right now that only a few shows are getting much real participation and even some of the more popular shows that you'd expect more discussion about are seeing only a dozen or so comments. Now apply that to old episode of shows that are off the air, or less-than-blockbuster (or less than critically important) older films.

But my gut also tells me that even though participation on rewatches will necessarily be limited, if the shows and movies are carefully selected they'd still get significant participation and the resulting discussion will play to MeFi's strengths. We could see some of the best community-contributed commentary on television on the web. But it won't happen without site design, mod involvement, and community organization.
posted by Ivan Fyodorovich at 6:26 PM on May 17, 2014 [3 favorites]


griphus: "1997 called and sent this joke to take yours home."

Oh man, how is 1997 doing? I don't think I've talked to her in...gosh, must be about 17 years!
posted by Chrysostom at 7:14 PM on May 17, 2014


Maleficent is there because I saw it and mathowie agreed to post it. Come talk to me!
posted by jessamyn (retired) at 7:32 PM on May 30, 2014


Can we propose stuff in this thread? Because I just got back from edge of tomorrow, and I thought it was pretty ok. Or the powersuits were cool at least. I guess the early euro release date is doing what they hoped.
posted by jonbro at 3:02 PM on June 4, 2014


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