Fanfare Pony / Feature Addition request May 23, 2016 3:52 PM   Subscribe

I know that Fanfare currently supports TV Shows, Books, Movies, and Podcasts, but is there any chance - or indeed any demand - for it to also support regular Youtube Webseries / Channels?

Example - I regularly watch PBS Idea channel, and would love to discuss it with folks on Fanfare in the same way I discuss Marvel's Agents of Shield.

Most long time Youtubers have a regular upload schedule and the site already supports embedding video into posts on Metafilter, so I was just wondering if this is;

A: Possible without major site tech overhead? - I am aware that PB is leaving.
B: Something the community would even want?


So, thoughts?
posted by Faintdreams to Feature Requests at 3:52 PM (18 comments total) 1 user marked this as a favorite

Trying to sort out and implement any sort of media-specific support for youtube or other video-on-the-web stuff isn't in the card for the time being, yeah; that'd be a new set of metadata and series-organization assumptions to sort out and with us in the middle of finalizing a tech transition it's just way out in the distance that we'd be tackling this as a new pony request.

That said, it's fine with me if folks want to sort of chatter about the idea more generally. I really don't have a sense of how much of an audience there is for this either, and whether with it being generally freely-streamable web-based video whether it's something that would in more than maybe one or two cases make more sense as FanFare vs. just literally a post on the blue now and then.
posted by cortex (staff) at 3:55 PM on May 23, 2016


FanFare is already so diluted I just can't think that any new media category is a good idea. I think it'd be a good idea to talk about how to increase participation on the media already posted there.
posted by lalex at 6:00 PM on May 23, 2016 [8 favorites]


why couldnt we treat it like tv?
posted by PinkMoose at 7:17 PM on May 23, 2016


I think the short answer is, FanFare draws data from IMDb for movies and tv shows, and there isn't a similar source for Youtube channels. It's not impossible that we could work out a way to handle this, it's just something that will take some dedicated figuring-out, once we're in a better position to set aside the time for it. And at the moment there are a bunch of other things more urgent or just earlier in the queue.
posted by LobsterMitten (staff) at 7:23 PM on May 23, 2016


Some web series are included on IMDB already. For example: TableTop; Mental Floss's The List Show.

Is there anything stopping people from discussing those shows that already have IMDB support? Or would the mods rather people didn't suggest them for inclusion?
posted by jacquilynne at 8:52 PM on May 23, 2016 [1 favorite]


I think it'd be a good idea to talk about how to increase participation on the media already posted there.

I agree with this, and would like to hear peoples idea. One thing I wondered about with the sports stuff now being moved over there is that people will miss any of the Euro 2016 threads. At the World Cup we were liveblogging the games, which was great fun, but they were on the FP where people could see them. I was wondering if, nearer time, it would be okay to make a France 2016 Roundup/Intro FPP and link to the Fanfare Football Club, so people would know where to hang out if they wanted to discuss it (and am hoping eriko comes back...)

For all the, er, fanfare which Fanfare received at its announcement, and for a site with 60 odd thousand active members, there is so little participation on some of the threads over there that I am kinda surprised, although my own tastes tend to be old, unfashionable stuff. Alphaville has one comment!! For a Goddard movie! I don't even know if La Dolce Vita has been covered... So, having said that...

Come and join the Blakes 7 and DS9 rewatches, people!
posted by marienbad at 3:13 AM on May 24, 2016


I think it'd be a good idea to talk about how to increase participation on the media already posted there.

I want to discuss books that I've read, but I don't want to participate in readalongs. I can't be the only one.
Also, why can so few people post book threads?
posted by Too-Ticky at 5:33 AM on May 24, 2016 [2 favorites]


I think it'd be a good idea to talk about how to increase participation on the media already posted there.

I just looked at the average comments/post on MeFi, AskMe, FanFare and Projects. Keep in mind the FanFare numbers are skewed by the 346 and 202 comments in the two Game of Thrones threads.

MeFi: 29.0 comments per thread
AskMe: 12.5 cpt
Projects: 2.8 cpt
FanFare: 17.8 cpt (without GoT, 8.9 cpt)

I don't see that as a worrisome amount of participation for the youngest subsite.
posted by Rock Steady at 9:39 AM on May 24, 2016


Sorry, should have said, this is just based on the current front page of each subsite.
posted by Rock Steady at 9:40 AM on May 24, 2016


FanFare is already so diluted I just can't think that any new media category is a good idea.

it's like a gushing firehose of media, even if i wanted to follow something new in My Fanfare the thought of going through all the possibilities to see if they're even worth it is incredibly exhausting.
posted by poffin boffin at 9:54 AM on May 24, 2016 [1 favorite]


I just looked at the average comments/post on MeFi, AskMe, FanFare and Projects. Keep in mind the FanFare numbers are skewed by the 346 and 202 comments in the two Game of Thrones threads.

I figured it would be more useful to look at the medians, and then I figured I'd look at the 2nd page for each subsite (to eliminate "brand new post" effect). And as long as it was in excel, well... the point still holds, FanFare doesn't seem to be doing that bad, as far as participation goes.
        FanFare	Music	Proj    Mefi     Ans   FanFare (no GOT)
Mean    21.96	3.56	2.84	29.34	14.60	6.41
Median	5.00	3.00	2.00	23.50	10.00	5.00
St Dev	66.64	2.32	3.54	24.53	14.76	6.96

it's like a gushing firehose of media, even if i wanted to follow something new in My Fanfare the thought of going through all the possibilities to see if they're even worth it is incredibly exhausting.

Maybe it's because I'm not currently following a ton of media, but I find it easiest to just add any new show/movie/podcast that I watch to My Fanfare, and mostly ignore the rest (except for a skim of what shows up on the very top of the first page).
posted by sparklemotion at 11:06 AM on May 24, 2016 [1 favorite]


Well, there goes my detailed recap of "🐾Whispaws Parlour🐾 ASMR Dog Spa & Massage | Fur Brushing & Ear Examination."
posted by zombieflanders at 12:02 PM on May 24, 2016 [5 favorites]


can we have a fanfare thread specifically for this lebanese coffee commercial
posted by Greg Nog at 6:31 PM on May 24, 2016 [4 favorites]


I was wondering if, nearer time, it would be okay to make a France 2016 Roundup/Intro FPP and link to the Fanfare Football Club

I already have a long-ish FPP ready to go live anytime next week (Friday, maybe?), and it finishes off by saying "For game discussion, the newly formed MeFi Football Club will have a go at FanFare" (linking to both MFFC page and Euro 2016 show page, once it's up). Hopefully people will talk about their previews there, and motly move to the "proper" discussion posts once competition begins.
posted by lmfsilva at 11:03 AM on May 25, 2016


I think it'd be a good idea to talk about how to increase participation on the media already posted there.

This is really surprising to me, because FanFare is awesome, and the format is amenable to great discussions about media.

Though I will admit that I'm somewhat conflicted, because FanFare is one of my favorite parts of the site these days. It's fun, there is good conversation, and it's a bit... calmer than other parts of the site. It allows for some real cordiality, even with people I might normally disagree with. So I think FanFare is really good for the site, as it promotes a model of good discussion with those whom we might have other ideological disagreements. I've had some pretty cool discussions in FanFare with someone (or they favorited a comment or something), and that good will has certainly carried over to other parts of the site. What I've found interesting is that it's much easier to assume good faith when you know someone in a less politically heated context, and you find that you genuinely like them over a shared interest. What I worry about, I guess (and this doesn't make a lot of sense, given the above benefits), is that some of the more unpleasant interactions will cross over into FanFare if we promote the heck out of it.

For example, I have slightly more anxiety about posting this here than I ever have in FanFare, and I like you all!
posted by SpacemanStix at 12:33 PM on May 25, 2016 [2 favorites]


Spacemanstix,.. I think I know what you mean?

Fanfare does seem a lot less 'grar' than other parts of metafilter, even when people who love a show are communicating on a topic that others are gleefully hate-watching.

I know from whence I speak, particularly (for me at least) the recent Supernatural and Doctor who recaps.

Anyhue, I don't think greater promotion of fanfare will necessarily lead to it getting more fractious, because the usage case is .. naturally less fraught. (?)

There might be fandom fights raging aplenty there, but I've not personally witnessed any.
posted by Faintdreams at 12:39 PM on May 25, 2016


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The headlines could be fun:
'Fall asleep to a foamy hot towel and razors'

I could see a solid library built up though; cooking, metallurgy, home auto repair etc.
posted by clavdivs at 9:02 PM on May 25, 2016


I think it'd be a good idea to talk about how to increase participation on the media already posted there.

I just completely dropped out of North American TV in 2005, and I have no idea what's going on* now or how to come back. I know there's tons of great TV being made, and sometimes dip into Fanfare for ideas on where to start, but jump out because I don't know how to make sense of the organization. For a person totally lacking context, it's a bit daunting.

Not that anyone else would need this, or would agree with How I'd Do Things, or that it's even possible right now, or that anyone's at all asking, or that this is in any way even related to this meta, but ideally, I guess I'd like to find things by genre and maybe use some keywords. Or I guess even just by series, things are organized by episode, right? That said, I'm not looking *that* hard, and it's not like there aren't a million other places I could get this information.

* Have seen and loved The Wire, Mad Men, and more recently, Rectify, if anyone would like to send suggestions :/

posted by cotton dress sock at 9:32 PM on May 25, 2016


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