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As soon as any news links appear i'll post them here.

Wouldn't want to let the lack of an actual link interfere with being the first to post, would we?
posted by timeistight to Etiquette/Policy at 8:31 AM (82 comments total)

Does this really need a MetaTalk thread devoted to it?
posted by UnReality at 8:38 AM on October 18, 2002


point well made, but I found it a good post as it was 'news as it happens' which we don't get alot of here in the UK.

I am normally opposed to 'NewsFilter' but I made an exception in this instance.

Links did follow later in the thread.
posted by Frasermoo at 8:39 AM on October 18, 2002


Oh fer crying out loud, timeistight.
posted by stupidsexyFlanders at 8:39 AM on October 18, 2002


sometimes, people post news links to current events; sometimes people post no links for current events, and that ends up being ok too. it's context. i don't know if the french spiderman counts; then again, i'm not in england. but people posted without links for 9/11; and also for an earthquake in california, or seattle (i'm not sure).
posted by moz at 8:45 AM on October 18, 2002


Perhaps I'm being unreasonably cranky. Am I the only one who thought this violated the guidelines?
posted by timeistight at 8:45 AM on October 18, 2002


Quite right, timestight. If this is allowed to become a precedent, then we'll all be discussing whether something is interesting and "happening" enough to merit this "links to follow" excuse.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 8:48 AM on October 18, 2002


you're being cranky. it's friday. cut it out. let it go. back away. go to the pub.
posted by Frasermoo at 8:49 AM on October 18, 2002


It certainly comes dangerously close to violating the guidelines. But, as Matt already pointed out, sometimes good comments do redeem a weak FPP.

On the other hand, often a few crappy comments can sink a perfectly good FPP

posted by matteo at 8:50 AM on October 18, 2002


people posted without links for 9/11; and also for an earthquake

Should a publicity stunt fall into the same category as a terrorist attack or a natural disaster?
posted by timeistight at 8:50 AM on October 18, 2002


Ah, fall...the crisp air, the sounds of leaves crunching under one's feet...It's that time of year, boys and girls...Snark Season!
And the hunting's great-you can bag your limit in an afternoon!


posted by konolia at 8:52 AM on October 18, 2002


aren't terrorist attacks publicity stunts?
posted by Frasermoo at 8:54 AM on October 18, 2002


I apologise timeistight if I offended you here by blatantly and wantonly flouting ettiquete. I did my best by posting a link to a related site (quote from the metaFilter guidelines: "Make sure you're linking to something on the web") and then posted a link to a news article as soon as one appeared.

I agree that this story may not seem a big deal to you wherever you are but here in Canary Wharf where some 40,000 people work it was a big thing and I can gurarantee that it will also warrant a news item on the London news tonight. So I thought londoners and others might be interested to hear about it straight away, backed up by a 'links will follow' message and subsequent links.

In any case, I would love someone to point out where my post violates guidelines. As far as I see, it was something that "most people haven't seen it before, there is something interesting about the content on the page, and it might warrant discussion from others".

As a new poster to metaFilter I certainly don't feel welcome here any more.
posted by andyHollister at 9:08 AM on October 18, 2002


Should a publicity stunt fall into the same category as a terrorist attack or a natural disaster?

i'd just written that i don't know, timeistight. maybe there's breaking news taking over the tellies in the UK. andy does say that "[i]t's like a war zone down there."
posted by moz at 9:10 AM on October 18, 2002


As a new poster to metaFilter I certainly don't feel welcome here any more.

This thread is running three to one in your favour, andy. How much welcome do you need?
posted by timeistight at 9:25 AM on October 18, 2002


As a new poster to metaFilter I certainly don't feel welcome here any more.

Then leave. I agree that your post was borderline, but easily interesting enough to defend. Several people here have done a good job of that defense. And you thank them with an insult to the site disguised as an appeal for welcoming? Please, I'd get you a pony if I could, but its a website, not a social club, and no one owes you a nice fruit basket.

Since I'm probably gonna get lambasted for this, I should clarify: I am tired, and have said as much before, of newer members getting called out for something and they immediately react defensively. "Be nice its my first post", "why was that double-posted news link deleted, I'm new shouldn't that count for something?" The answer is, well... No. I find andyHollister's defensive statement particularly grievous because the majority of the commenters here were defending his post; as I came to this thread prepared to do. To be met with lame emotional manipulation of my supposed "community spirit" is as irritating as a mosquito bite between the fingers. Please don't do that anymore.

(Why yes, I am a cranky old fart, and thank you for asking;-)
posted by Wulfgar! at 9:40 AM on October 18, 2002


I don't think andy expected to have a red carpet rolled out, but having some wanker single out his post to be snarky about really is a little much.

By the same token, so is bitching after everyone else defended you.
posted by SoftRain at 9:54 AM on October 18, 2002


And that, andyHollister, is a pithy summary of the roller coaster ride that is our sprawling, divisive grey-and-blue family. Being dragged into MeTa -- it happens. Take it as a compliment, maybe. (Though, uh, don't TRY to make it happen. Please.)

Seriously, some people liked your post, some didn't. timeistight** kvetched, others rebuked. You can't take that too personally; just see what people have to say, learn what you can, and realize that a post that skirts some of the local customs runs a chance of getting called out, regardless of its merit. And welcome!

**ah...I've never had to type yer nick, before, timeistight, so I'd never looked at it carefully enough to see that it isn't in fact timeissight. Which, granted, makes no sense, but is sort of nicely surreal in its own right.
posted by cortex at 9:59 AM on October 18, 2002


I don't think andy expected to have a red carpet rolled out, but having some wanker single out his post to be snarky about really is a little much.

there is something of an unwritten rule that new members should be given some slack. if you look at my posting history, you'll notice some questionable posts early on. like my first metatalk thread. sometimes it's fine to indulge.
posted by moz at 10:02 AM on October 18, 2002


Indeed I did not expect this conversation to take such a turn!

As a new poster to metaFilter I certainly don't feel welcome here any more.

Then leave.


Ouch! My lowly 15071 is cowering in the corner. So much negative newbie press, I can somewhat understand why Andy got defensive. On preview SoftRain & Cortex is making me feel better that things are still at the very least fair to all members. I always read it as timeinsight for some reason.
posted by Ms.JaneDoe at 10:02 AM on October 18, 2002


Andy: The problem with the link is that you went fishing for something on the Web as an excuse to discuss something, which is frowned upon (and as you are learning, we have strong brow muscles).

The nice thing about the link was that the topic was an interesting event local to you, which can be one of the more effective uses of this weblog (for example, the earthquake links).

On balance, I think it was a worthwhile contribution, but this thing about not feeling welcome any more is a little strange. Name someone who feels welcome here, and we'll correct that as soon as possible.
posted by rcade at 10:08 AM on October 18, 2002


I'm grateful for the defence guys and didn't intend to sound like I was bitching at anyone and more than anything didn't intend to insult the site.

I was just a bit pissed off that my first ever front page post got sniped at by some pedant (with a link on the post to MetaTalk to boot) because it didnt fit in with his standards. Being a first post, it made me think 'why bother again?' - so maybe I sounded a bit too hurt. However I have got over it now.

I shall watch how I conduct myself in future and perhaps become a bit more thick skinned.
posted by andyHollister at 10:11 AM on October 18, 2002


Oh, and sorry guys, I have also taken on all the coments and seen that my post was borderline - although as I have said, I did back it up with a link later on. As i've said, I will watch how I go in future. One does learn by one's mistakes.

posted by andyHollister at 10:16 AM on October 18, 2002


Behold, the marvelous matriculation of a metafilter member!
posted by Stan Chin at 10:23 AM on October 18, 2002


Does this really need a MetaTalk thread devoted to it?

Oh fer crying out loud, timeistight.

you're being cranky. it's friday. cut it out.

Ah, fall...the crisp air, the sounds of leaves crunching under one's feet...It's that time of year, boys and girls...Snark Season!
And the hunting's great-you can bag your limit in an afternoon!

having some wanker single out his post to be snarky about really is a little much.

my first ever front page post got sniped at by some pedant


I'm a relatively new Mefite; you guys are making me feel very unwelcome.
posted by timeistight at 10:27 AM on October 18, 2002


I always read it as timeinsight

I read it as 'tit', but then, I have a thing for acronyms. ;-P
posted by mischief at 10:27 AM on October 18, 2002


I'm a relatively new Mefite; you guys are making me feel very unwelcome.

I'm sorry, timeistight. That wasn't my intention. I can't speak for anyone else here, but I wasn't trying to be snarky.

Was it a great FPP? No, probably not. Do we want more posts without corroborating links? Of course not. I just didn't see that this one particular post merited much discussion here on MetaTalk, since I thought we'd more or less put the Newsfilter-type discussion to bed.
posted by UnReality at 10:41 AM on October 18, 2002


Name someone who feels welcome here, and we'll correct that as soon as possible.

MigueCONNECTION TERMINATED
posted by ook at 10:45 AM on October 18, 2002


metafilter: nobody has any fun, but we've got fucking guidelines by god.
posted by quonsar at 10:55 AM on October 18, 2002


I thought the guidelines were by Matt.
posted by konolia at 10:58 AM on October 18, 2002


My point with those quotes is that I'm the one getting insulted here, not andyHollister.

I started this thread because I honestly questioned the value of posting what feel is trivial news without even a current relevant link. I didn't call anyone names. After I concededtwice – that the majority disagreed with me, I still got called a wanker and a pendant.

What do I intend to do about it? I intend to suck it up and move on. I suggest that andy do the same.
posted by timeistight at 11:01 AM on October 18, 2002


The guidelines were brought down from the mount by Matt, konolia, but they are interpreted and enforced by mortals.
posted by rcade at 11:09 AM on October 18, 2002


Wow, it's funny how history repeats itself.
posted by Ms.JaneDoe at 11:11 AM on October 18, 2002


"I still got called a wanker and a pendant."

Wankers unite! We have nothing to lose but our ornamental jewelry attached to a necklace or bracelet!
posted by mr_crash_davis at 11:17 AM on October 18, 2002


Shit. That'll teach me to rely on spell check.
posted by timeistight at 11:21 AM on October 18, 2002


timeistight apologies, I do agree that you got mobbed somewhat here. I say we put this one to bed. As I said I will watch how I go in future. Duly sucked up and moved on. Have a good weekend guys.
posted by andyHollister at 11:54 AM on October 18, 2002


rcade is correct, and to clarify - i'm not against guidelines. it just seems as though anything that may possibly even approach a gray area gets metatalked and piled on immediately lately. the result - pre-apologies embedded in almost every post and a real sense of walking on eggshells around here. lets relax a bit, perhaps await a signal from matt, or a critical mass to develop and declare something a problem?
posted by quonsar at 11:57 AM on October 18, 2002


timeistight: For what it's worth, I'm with you 100%. It's like if someone starts posting links to previous sniper-attacks every time he/she/they hit another one.
posted by The God Complex at 12:13 PM on October 18, 2002


It must have been a thrill to look up at that death-courting, skilled-maniac climbing that slippery surface. Fast breaking reporting from an eye-witness, as opposed to third-hand Google News, adds a fine layer of interest to a post for me. It brings me more into the scene. Of course judgement is needed, as to how much it will be of general interest. This is just a spouted rumination after reading this thread, and not an after-piling-on of timeistight. (previously read in my mind as "time is sight") Who brought up a valid question.
posted by gametone at 12:50 PM on October 18, 2002


Andy: what rcade said. Stick around. You have the MeFi knack. So does timestight. It's been a long time since anyone's said this but: deal with it and be happy!

I'm certainly happy to have you. Both your interestingly borderline post (which much to recommend it, journalistically speaking) and your brave readiness to answer for it here on MeTa are unequivocal signs that you belong here. :)
posted by MiguelCardoso at 1:01 PM on October 18, 2002


metafilter: nobody has any fun, but we've got fucking guidelines by god.

I thought the guidelines were by Matt

You say it like there's a difference.
posted by owillis at 1:04 PM on October 18, 2002


MetaFilter: I'm Quitting! No I'm Quitting!

(As a complete aside, everyone read this.)
posted by Shadowkeeper at 1:05 PM on October 18, 2002


Hey! Where's my stinkin' hyperlink?!

Read this
posted by Shadowkeeper at 1:06 PM on October 18, 2002


quonsar: I see your point. I'll try to stay away from gray areas henceforth.

andy: thanks. I apologize for my snarky tone. I will also watch how I go in future. I agree with Miguel: You have the MeFi knack. Please stick around.
posted by timeistight at 1:23 PM on October 18, 2002


I'm with the old fart . Nobody cares about a user's sense of feeling welcome -- otherwise Miguel would be administrator here, not Matt (eu estou caçoando, Miguel...)

Oliver,
God is unable to erase MeFi threads.
Only User Number 1 can

posted by matteo at 1:40 PM on October 18, 2002


Perhaps I'm being unreasonably cranky. Am I the only one who thought this violated the guidelines?

No, you're not. B for intent, D+ for execution. But he seems to "get it" now, and I join the others in welcoming his effort to participate.

there is something of an unwritten rule that new members should be given some slack.

I hope by "slack" you mean "understanding and tolerance while they get the hang of things" and not "free pass to post all kinds of guideline-violating shit without being said boo to."
posted by rushmc at 2:04 PM on October 18, 2002


"As a new poster to metaFilter I certainly don't feel welcome here any more."

As an old poster to metaFilter I certainly can't feel my legs any more.
posted by ZachsMind at 2:10 PM on October 18, 2002


*pokes ZachsMind's legs with a sharp pin*

I've always felt welcomed by Matt. When I registered here he sent me a really nice box of chocolates and a cute card. I've always meant to thank him for that.

Thanks, Matt.

What...you didn't get a cute card?
posted by iconomy at 2:31 PM on October 18, 2002


What...you didn't get a cute card?

No, but I always assumed that was because I crashed the party.
posted by timeistight at 2:38 PM on October 18, 2002


Oh no, not again ...
posted by feelinglistless at 2:48 PM on October 18, 2002


I think if Matt ever sent me a cute card & a box of chocolates, I'd pass out.

*looks down at the sharp pin*

Where'd that come from?

*shrugs*
posted by ZachsMind at 2:55 PM on October 18, 2002


I did get the cute card but no chocolates.

Matt got me a pony instead

posted by matteo at 3:05 PM on October 18, 2002


That rabbit he got me pooped on my pancakes.
posted by konolia at 3:25 PM on October 18, 2002


I've always felt welcomed by Matt.

I warned Matt I would be registering when he next opened registration, including a link to my Plastic profile. So, for those of you who dislike my way with commenting, blame Matt. heheh ;-P
posted by mischief at 3:33 PM on October 18, 2002


Gee, I got a broom with my card from Matt - and get this - it vibrates!
posted by madamjujujive at 3:47 PM on October 18, 2002


I'm still waiting on my toolbelt. Probably the UPS guy is going to show up any minute now and hand me a package and inside will be my official tool belt with "MetaToolbelt" stamped in gold on soft supple leather that smells like a baseball glove and maybe my name will be hand-stitched in blue. Boy I can hardly wait. It's getting a little dark out there. The UPS Truck is probably just running a little late today. Yeah.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:08 PM on October 18, 2002


You know what's odd, I haven't gotten any welcoming gifts the 2 times I've signed up supposedly.

The other day while looking for an old post I searched for "Stan Chin" in users, and boy was I baffled when I saw my login (14991) and this strange mysterious "stanchin" at a very elite 1453 user number. And what a pretty four digit user number at that! At first I thought, oh, how delightful there is another man named Stan Chin in the world, who also surfs metafilter. Then I tried logging in with my generic password and it turns out I've been a member for a good two years.

It's like finding out one day you're the King of England. ha ha! I'm older than mostly all of you! Is there a special VIP section or champagne room I should be escorted to, where we all ride ponies and eat pancakes?

Of course, it does piss me off I spent that entire year of 2001 anticipating signups to open again. Almost everyday I said to myself, "I wish I had a login." I think I'll save this one for special occasions.
posted by stanchin at 5:35 PM on October 18, 2002


There have been 16888 links and 351472 comments posted since your last visit

I've got some reading to do.
posted by stanchin at 5:39 PM on October 18, 2002


Ha! That's great, stanchin (may I call you Stan Chin?) Witness the newbie who was really a patriarch! It's almost like when Strider was revealed to really be Aragorn, son of Arathorn, descendent of kings, of the race of Numenor ...

* descends into fan-boy claptrap *
posted by yhbc at 6:06 PM on October 18, 2002


I've got one of those too, Stan Chin....hang on a second.
posted by Ufez Jones at 6:50 PM on October 18, 2002


Here it is. 5353 isn't as good 1453, but it isn't half bad either.

sorry matt, I'll never use it again
posted by ssecrest48 at 6:56 PM on October 18, 2002


(and as you are learning, we have strong brow muscles).

*sees flabby browline in mirror, is aghast*

*begins furiously cocking eyebrows*
posted by jonmc at 7:20 PM on October 18, 2002


Sigh. I ♥ jonmc. I keep getting crushes on witty MeFians and you got to me with the eyebrow thing.
posted by Lynsey at 10:27 PM on October 18, 2002


Wait, wait.. we say that new users should read and understand the guidelines, and hang out for a few weeks and observe how the place operates before posting, then when a new user makes a borderline shitty post and someone calls him on it using the proper channels, you attack the latter and defend the former?

That's bitch #1. Bitch #2 is this:

Stop whining about things being brought into metatalk. That's what Metatalk is FOR. It's not like it shrivels up if you use it too much.
posted by Hildago at 10:36 PM on October 18, 2002


It's not like it shrivels up if you use it too much.

Oh, NOW you tell me!
posted by rushmc at 11:13 PM on October 18, 2002


It's almost like when Strider was revealed to really be Aragorn, son of Arathorn, descendent of kings, of the race of Numenor

Hey, no posting spoilers!
posted by kindall at 11:22 PM on October 18, 2002


Oh, NOW you tell me!

Sadly, it does go blind and grow hairy palms.
posted by Hildago at 11:41 PM on October 18, 2002


Metafilter: We have strong brow muscles.

And how did you make that heart?
posted by Yelling At Nothing at 5:38 AM on October 19, 2002



posted by eddydamascene at 2:04 PM on October 19, 2002


And now, with the help of this, I give to you:

뉴 욕 타 임 즈 없 어 요? (= Newsfilter)

[lit: "Don't you have the New York Times?"]
posted by eddydamascene at 3:31 PM on October 19, 2002


For those playing along at home, this was 뉴 욕 타 임 즈 없 어 요. Now I have to go teach myself how to add little pop-up messages to links, then I will be l33t.
posted by eddydamascene at 3:35 PM on October 19, 2002


Then I tried logging in with my generic password

Hmmmm your generic password wouldn't happen to be: password, would it?
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 3:46 PM on October 19, 2002


Curses!
posted by stanchin at 3:48 PM on October 19, 2002


you got to me with the eyebrow thing

you got me at "hello"
posted by matteo at 4:09 PM on October 19, 2002


Hey, no posting spoilers!

gollum takes the ring in.

(runs under treebeard)

posted by clavdivs at 4:29 PM on October 19, 2002


Weird. I always read "timeistight" as, "hidalgo."
posted by webmutant at 2:44 AM on October 20, 2002


[lit: "Don't you have the New York Times?"]

Well, not to be excessively pedantic, but literally more like "New York Times is not here?" Regardless, I applaud the work required to get Hangul to appear on the 'filter!
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 2:57 AM on October 20, 2002


Sigh. I ? jonmc.

*blushes*

aw shux..

of course she's never seen me, then again...
posted by jonmc at 11:12 AM on October 20, 2002


Weird. I always read "timeistight" as, "hidalgo."

[Shakes his fist ala Ralph Cramden]
posted by Hildago at 12:43 PM on October 20, 2002


stavros: Regardless, I applaud the work required to get Hangul to appear on the 'filter!

Thanks, stavros. With the amount of work involved, it probably won't happen very often.
posted by eddydamascene at 2:12 PM on October 20, 2002


Timeistight: I meant wanker as a compliment. There's nothing wrong with wanking, in the right context.
posted by SoftRain at 2:47 PM on October 20, 2002


Good thing there, SR, considering how much wanking goes on around here. ;-P

posted by mischief at 6:44 PM on October 20, 2002


Softrain: bullshit. Oh, I meant that as a compliment.
posted by timeistight at 8:16 PM on October 20, 2002


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