Nice job with the style-ized scrollbars in IE February 2, 2001 11:12 AM Subscribe
Nice job with the style-ized scrollbars in IE, Matt. Very slick.
Hmm...why post under "Bugs," Tom, if it's something you like? I admit I noticed it today, and I've been seeing colored scrollbars everywhere. I was going to put the colored scrollbars on my site also, but when I found out it was a Microsoft-proprietary extension to CSS, I decided against it.
I don't know Matt too well, but I'd think he'd have more sense than to make this an IE-only site. Don't worry too much.
posted by Electric Elf at 12:03 PM on February 2, 2001
I don't know Matt too well, but I'd think he'd have more sense than to make this an IE-only site. Don't worry too much.
posted by Electric Elf at 12:03 PM on February 2, 2001
I actually clicked the "post" link under the metafilter features section, then zoomed off to look at another part of the site, then came back to post this and forgot to switch the category in the dropdown thing. :P Ah well. What's done is done.
posted by tomorama at 1:13 PM on February 2, 2001
posted by tomorama at 1:13 PM on February 2, 2001
Matt most certainly does not have that much sense, Elf. He is a pawn in Microsoft's game, and like all pawns, he really likes colored scroll bars.
posted by ericost at 1:18 PM on February 2, 2001
posted by ericost at 1:18 PM on February 2, 2001
Is there a reason I can't see the colored scroll bars? I'm using IE 5.5 on Win2000 server
posted by cell divide at 1:51 PM on February 2, 2001
posted by cell divide at 1:51 PM on February 2, 2001
It's a stupid MS extension, and I do hate 99% of them, but then I loaded IE 6 beta on my home box, and now I see them everywhere.
I saw that Lance somehow got them looking just right. There are still shadows so it's easy to grab, and the color is enough to stand out, but also enough to mix into the design. I felt Lance is the first person to do it right and not ruin all UI conventions. It was late and I was bored (I have a lot of time on my hands now), so I played with the colors and came up with something.
Oh yeah, and I'm also Bill Gates' bitch. God I love that man.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 3:02 PM on February 2, 2001
I saw that Lance somehow got them looking just right. There are still shadows so it's easy to grab, and the color is enough to stand out, but also enough to mix into the design. I felt Lance is the first person to do it right and not ruin all UI conventions. It was late and I was bored (I have a lot of time on my hands now), so I played with the colors and came up with something.
Oh yeah, and I'm also Bill Gates' bitch. God I love that man.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 3:02 PM on February 2, 2001
I presume this is another Windows-bigoted "feature" of Microsoft's, that nobody can ever see unless they're running the Approved OS?
posted by aaron at 4:02 PM on February 2, 2001
posted by aaron at 4:02 PM on February 2, 2001
Right, it's OS bigotry. Just like I don't get to see the "Get Info" window where I manually set up the amount of memory allocated to an application.
God, I hate people who bitch about software like it matters.
posted by anildash at 5:05 PM on February 2, 2001
God, I hate people who bitch about software like it matters.
posted by anildash at 5:05 PM on February 2, 2001
What the hell is wrong with PROPRIETARY stuff? Tables were a Netscape thing before they became part of the HTML standard. Did you know that? Sometimes good ideas come from very corporate companies.
Microsoft gave <a> tags that neat hover attribute. Guess what? That was a GOOD idea. I use it in all my sites. Sure as hell beats putting a javascript "onMouseover=document.links.href.color.whatever=red" or whatever on every single freaking link tag just to get that nice color change effect when the user puts his/her mouse over. Just one quickie change in my stylesheet enables it without tons of messy code.
If you didn't notice, Netscape now built in support for hover in NN6. So suck it down, and let corporate America do their work. Sometimes they do get things right. =P
posted by PWA_BadBoy at 12:35 PM on February 4, 2001
Microsoft gave <a> tags that neat hover attribute. Guess what? That was a GOOD idea. I use it in all my sites. Sure as hell beats putting a javascript "onMouseover=document.links.href.color.whatever=red" or whatever on every single freaking link tag just to get that nice color change effect when the user puts his/her mouse over. Just one quickie change in my stylesheet enables it without tons of messy code.
If you didn't notice, Netscape now built in support for hover in NN6. So suck it down, and let corporate America do their work. Sometimes they do get things right. =P
posted by PWA_BadBoy at 12:35 PM on February 4, 2001
Hover's in the CSS standard; yes, only IE supported it for a long while, but it was in the standard. I haven't any problem with Microsoft at all. I do have problems with sites that only load in IE 5.5 for Windows 98, and then when I visit with my lovely Mozilla M18 or IE 5 on WinNT, I can't view them because the designers only care about the platform they happen to be running.
The scrollbars are a good idea, and cute, but I didn't want to add any extraneous junk to my site. Matt can do whatever the heck he likes to MeFi, and I'll keep visiting and posting as long as it still manages to load on my computer. I thought that was what Tom was worried about.
posted by Electric Elf at 12:57 PM on February 4, 2001
The scrollbars are a good idea, and cute, but I didn't want to add any extraneous junk to my site. Matt can do whatever the heck he likes to MeFi, and I'll keep visiting and posting as long as it still manages to load on my computer. I thought that was what Tom was worried about.
posted by Electric Elf at 12:57 PM on February 4, 2001
Tables were part of the HTML+ spec from 1993, before there was a Netscape. They were based on the CALS table model, which was several years older (1989 or so). "Did you know that?"
posted by rodii at 3:06 PM on February 4, 2001
posted by rodii at 3:06 PM on February 4, 2001
Well, I dunno; *twice* now in the last two days, I've back-ed up to fix a typo... and found my comment entry window no longer had any text in it.
That's *stunningly* disheartening, but I don't know whether it's new MF stuff, or NS 4.76/Linux, which I only installed yesterday... <pout>
posted by baylink at 9:39 PM on February 4, 2001
That's *stunningly* disheartening, but I don't know whether it's new MF stuff, or NS 4.76/Linux, which I only installed yesterday... <pout>
posted by baylink at 9:39 PM on February 4, 2001
Okay, I'm a lucky one, I can see them.
They're dark blue on dark blue and pretty hard to see.
Can I turn them off now, please?
posted by lagado at 9:58 PM on February 4, 2001
They're dark blue on dark blue and pretty hard to see.
Can I turn them off now, please?
posted by lagado at 9:58 PM on February 4, 2001
or (trying to be more constructive) how about using a yellow scrollbar to match Mefi's yellow push buttons.
posted by lagado at 10:02 PM on February 4, 2001
posted by lagado at 10:02 PM on February 4, 2001
That un-caching of the form text happens to me sometimes too, circumstances unknown. It's gone on since before the scrollbar hack, though. Jay, why are you still using NS 4.76? Is Mozilla that bad on Linux?
One of the more obscure Microsoft "innovations" is the special set of 28 user interface color names, including "Scrollbar". Is there a Mozilla equivalent? It's completely unsafe to use, as far as I can tell, but I think it's potentially a good idea, especially for web apps. Instead of matching your scrollbar thumbs to the buttons, you can match your buttons to the scrollbars. I wish this would creep into CSS somehow, the way hover did. (Hover, by the way, *was* a Microsoft innovation, although it was so obvious even the W3C got it and adopted it in CSS, though not until CSS2.)
posted by rodii at 6:45 AM on February 5, 2001
One of the more obscure Microsoft "innovations" is the special set of 28 user interface color names, including "Scrollbar". Is there a Mozilla equivalent? It's completely unsafe to use, as far as I can tell, but I think it's potentially a good idea, especially for web apps. Instead of matching your scrollbar thumbs to the buttons, you can match your buttons to the scrollbars. I wish this would creep into CSS somehow, the way hover did. (Hover, by the way, *was* a Microsoft innovation, although it was so obvious even the W3C got it and adopted it in CSS, though not until CSS2.)
posted by rodii at 6:45 AM on February 5, 2001
I've found that by plunking around in my cached CSS bytecodes, I can enable javascript's backlabeling source, and that solves the whole architecture problem. YMMV.
God, I love you guys and your cool jargon! Even when I have no idea what you're talking about, which is frequently. I can't see the colored scrollbars either, but I figured it was only because I was doing something incredibly stupid (which may yet be the case).
Whenever someone asks me what kind of computer I'm using, I point like an idiot and say, "That beige one. It's really cool."
posted by Skot at 9:49 AM on February 5, 2001
God, I love you guys and your cool jargon! Even when I have no idea what you're talking about, which is frequently. I can't see the colored scrollbars either, but I figured it was only because I was doing something incredibly stupid (which may yet be the case).
Whenever someone asks me what kind of computer I'm using, I point like an idiot and say, "That beige one. It's really cool."
posted by Skot at 9:49 AM on February 5, 2001
Skot: I hate it when people enable their backlabelling. That multiplexes my server parameters all to hell. Just stop it.
posted by rodii at 12:18 PM on February 5, 2001
posted by rodii at 12:18 PM on February 5, 2001
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posted by sylloge at 11:54 AM on February 2, 2001