Please delete this spoofed comment August 10, 2004 11:44 AM Subscribe
Matt, would you please delete this comment? It's not actually a comment that I posted, rather a clever bit of coding by Pretty_Generic, made to look like it's my post. Cute, but not cool. Thanks!
Or we could give PG an award.
posted by strangeleftydoublethink at 11:49 AM on August 10, 2004
posted by strangeleftydoublethink at 11:49 AM on August 10, 2004
*tisk tisk*
Ya think after a few years, we would have leanred how to properly format such posts.
posted by jmd82 at 11:52 AM on August 10, 2004
Ya think after a few years, we would have leanred how to properly format such posts.
posted by jmd82 at 11:52 AM on August 10, 2004
I think it was pretty obvious and not worth the bother of deletion.
posted by DrJohnEvans at 12:00 PM on August 10, 2004
Actually I was just kidding and I agree with Witty. It's cute for .5 seconds, but it should go. This is the oldest trick in the book (I believe I tried it exactly 2 minutes after getting my MeFi account). It's very hard to do convincingly, partially because the comment form seems to strip out the stylesheet tags you'd need to do it right.
posted by scarabic at 12:04 PM on August 10, 2004
posted by scarabic at 12:04 PM on August 10, 2004
I think it was pretty obvious and not worth the bother of deletion.
Not to mention that even if the coding were perfect, I don't think anyone's stupid enough to think you'd ever apologize or admit you were wrong about anything. And both in the same post? Never.
posted by dobbs at 12:05 PM on August 10, 2004
Not to mention that even if the coding were perfect, I don't think anyone's stupid enough to think you'd ever apologize or admit you were wrong about anything. And both in the same post? Never.
posted by dobbs at 12:05 PM on August 10, 2004
I think it should stay. It's pretty obvious it's not Witty.
posted by drezdn at 12:08 PM on August 10, 2004
posted by drezdn at 12:08 PM on August 10, 2004
What dobbs and drezdn said. It's actually witty funny, unlike so many comments meant to be so.
posted by languagehat at 12:26 PM on August 10, 2004
posted by languagehat at 12:26 PM on August 10, 2004
poor baby.
posted by angry modem at 12:26 PM on August 10, 2004
posted by angry modem at 12:26 PM on August 10, 2004
Yes, I remember being surprised that Witty would apologize or act contrite.
posted by Vidiot at 12:34 PM on August 10, 2004
posted by Vidiot at 12:34 PM on August 10, 2004
Goodness, I thought it was real, and thought, wow, I've never seen anyone be that humble on MeFi.
I guess I really haven't ever seen it.
posted by orange swan at 12:36 PM on August 10, 2004
I guess I really haven't ever seen it.
posted by orange swan at 12:36 PM on August 10, 2004
I dont like Witty much, but I've gotta stick up for him on this one. This isn't the first time people have complained about this kind of thing (1, 2) - it sucked then, and it sucks now. Generic was, in my opinion, pretty far out of line with this.
~ on preview: orange swan points out exactly why I think this kind of thing is so repellent.
posted by Irontom at 12:40 PM on August 10, 2004
~ on preview: orange swan points out exactly why I think this kind of thing is so repellent.
posted by Irontom at 12:40 PM on August 10, 2004
Thanks Matt.
...I don't think anyone's stupid enough to think you'd ever apologize or admit you were wrong about anything. And both in the same post? Never.
Never ever? Hmm? I've apologized many times on this site, both in the blue and the gray. I'm not sure what about that thread I'm supposed to apologize for though. I'll be sure to make note of your over-sensitivity next time we find ourselves in the same conversation... should we ever be so lucky.
html isn't coding.
Sure it is.
posted by Witty at 12:40 PM on August 10, 2004
...I don't think anyone's stupid enough to think you'd ever apologize or admit you were wrong about anything. And both in the same post? Never.
Never ever? Hmm? I've apologized many times on this site, both in the blue and the gray. I'm not sure what about that thread I'm supposed to apologize for though. I'll be sure to make note of your over-sensitivity next time we find ourselves in the same conversation... should we ever be so lucky.
html isn't coding.
Sure it is.
posted by Witty at 12:40 PM on August 10, 2004
looked unscrewy on my screen, and, as it's gone now.... Scarabic, was 'witty at time' bracketed with img files to get the grey text?
posted by leotrotsky at 12:43 PM on August 10, 2004
posted by leotrotsky at 12:43 PM on August 10, 2004
no, html is markup. putting a b in brackets to denote bold type is not coding. it requires no thought, no testing, no algorithm, not the least bit of cleverness at all. html isn't coding, and those who insist it is are merely inflating thier opinions of themselves as a result of having learned to put a b in brackets to denote bold type.
posted by quonsar at 12:43 PM on August 10, 2004
posted by quonsar at 12:43 PM on August 10, 2004
It's not
posted by leotrotsky at 12:53 PM on August 10, 2004
posted by leotrotsky at 12:53 PM on August 10, 2004
I didn't expect people to fall for it, just to do a double-take. After all, it's revealed two comments later.
And... it's deleted.
posted by Pretty_Generic at 12:54 PM on August 10, 2004
And... it's deleted.
posted by Pretty_Generic at 12:54 PM on August 10, 2004
quonsar - "It's not actually a comment that I posted, rather a clever bit of markup by Pretty_Generic, made to look like it's my post."
XQUZYPHYR - I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, but if you're trying to compare the two "jokes"... well, they aren't comparable. Keep looking, I'm sure you'll dig up something.
posted by Witty at 12:56 PM on August 10, 2004
XQUZYPHYR - I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, but if you're trying to compare the two "jokes"... well, they aren't comparable. Keep looking, I'm sure you'll dig up something.
posted by Witty at 12:56 PM on August 10, 2004
no, html is markup. putting a b in brackets to denote bold type is not coding. it requires no thought, no testing, no algorithm, not the least bit of cleverness at all. html isn't coding, and those who insist it is are merely inflating thier opinions of themselves as a result of having learned to put a b in brackets to denote bold type.
Is it coding if you use <strong>?
posted by jpburns at 1:09 PM on August 10, 2004
Is it coding if you use <strong>?
posted by jpburns at 1:09 PM on August 10, 2004
Too late, Witty. You've obviously already inflated your opinion of yourself by insisting that it's coding, you poor pathetic excuse for a human being. You and all the other scum-sucking leeches that insist on referring to HTML as "coding" make me puke.
I never realized quonsar was so sensitive. Or pedantic.
posted by pardonyou? at 1:14 PM on August 10, 2004
I never realized quonsar was so sensitive. Or pedantic.
posted by pardonyou? at 1:14 PM on August 10, 2004
that too.
posted by pardonyou? at 1:17 PM on August 10, 2004
posted by pardonyou? at 1:17 PM on August 10, 2004
ooh! ooh! can I make you puke again if I say I'm an html programmer!!!
[claps and stamps feet gleefully]
posted by scarabic at 1:19 PM on August 10, 2004
[claps and stamps feet gleefully]
posted by scarabic at 1:19 PM on August 10, 2004
i don't recall puking. you must have me confused with pardonyou?
posted by quonsar at 1:22 PM on August 10, 2004
posted by quonsar at 1:22 PM on August 10, 2004
We used to be able to spoof comments very convincingly back in our day.
posted by riffola at 2:01 PM on August 10, 2004
posted by riffola at 2:01 PM on August 10, 2004
Oh, go back to bed, old man. There's a new code wind a-blowin' through this town, and it ain't much more'n b's & i's and the occasional href.
It's a meaner world out there. Tighten them britches; have you heard the news? there's cold fusin' tonight!
posted by chicobangs at 2:13 PM on August 10, 2004
It's a meaner world out there. Tighten them britches; have you heard the news? there's cold fusin' tonight!
posted by chicobangs at 2:13 PM on August 10, 2004
quonsar, I think your distinction is as important as the one between "I'm burning" and "I'm on fire". Easy to discuss at a distance, not worth it at the time.
posted by yerfatma at 2:35 PM on August 10, 2004
posted by yerfatma at 2:35 PM on August 10, 2004
more like the difference between "I'm burning" and "I once saw fire on TV". now hurry and finish that web page and get started on the new OS kernel. my device drivers need to be bold and italicised.
posted by quonsar at 2:43 PM on August 10, 2004
posted by quonsar at 2:43 PM on August 10, 2004
printk(KERN_CRIT "<blink>");
if (info->state->type == PORT_16C950) {
info->ACR &= ~UART_ACR_TXDIS;
serial_icr_write(info, UART_ACR, info->ACR);
}
restore_flags(flags);
printk(KERN_CRIT "</blink>");
posted by Voivod at 2:57 PM on August 10, 2004
if (info->state->type == PORT_16C950) {
info->ACR &= ~UART_ACR_TXDIS;
serial_icr_write(info, UART_ACR, info->ACR);
}
restore_flags(flags);
printk(KERN_CRIT "</blink>");
posted by Voivod at 2:57 PM on August 10, 2004
More like a rose gardener thumbing his nose at the kids gathering wildflowers.
posted by scarabic at 3:14 PM on August 10, 2004
posted by scarabic at 3:14 PM on August 10, 2004
It's funny, because for perhaps the first time I thought Witty wasn't acting like a raging bucket o' cocks, but I soon discovered it wasn't actually Witty. But for those two seconds I thought maybe everything was going to be ok.
posted by The God Complex at 3:27 PM on August 10, 2004
posted by The God Complex at 3:27 PM on August 10, 2004
it requires no thought, no testing, no algorithm, not the least bit of cleverness at all.
No. For that you need css.
Because css is coding. You see, because microsoft invent computer languages, when they started making the internet, they decided to add coding so they invented css to make it really difficult for linux users (who like a form of markup called perl (or as it used to be known - grep)) to program the internet. the < b> tag was invented by linux users and is not coding. the < div> tag was invented by microsoft, and because it has to be held in an "include" file, then that is coding.
posted by seanyboy at 4:04 PM on August 10, 2004
No. For that you need css.
Because css is coding. You see, because microsoft invent computer languages, when they started making the internet, they decided to add coding so they invented css to make it really difficult for linux users (who like a form of markup called perl (or as it used to be known - grep)) to program the internet. the < b> tag was invented by linux users and is not coding. the < div> tag was invented by microsoft, and because it has to be held in an "include" file, then that is coding.
posted by seanyboy at 4:04 PM on August 10, 2004
CSS isn't coding: there's no ability to do programmatic things with it.
XSL is coding, though.
posted by five fresh fish at 4:20 PM on August 10, 2004
XSL is coding, though.
posted by five fresh fish at 4:20 PM on August 10, 2004
The God Complex - You must be reading a different thread. I see no rage. I DO see plenty of logic though... ymmv.
posted by Witty at 4:22 PM on August 10, 2004
posted by Witty at 4:22 PM on August 10, 2004
Are things like ymmv and wtf coding? Cuz I never seem to understand them.
posted by strangeleftydoublethink at 4:28 PM on August 10, 2004
posted by strangeleftydoublethink at 4:28 PM on August 10, 2004
now hurry and finish that web page and get started on the new OS kernel.
You're right, it really is a gateway "language": it led me to JavaScript which led to ASP/PHP/CF which is now leading to Python and C#. The common thread is they all require some logical thought and the ability to abstract. The lack of algorithm is the kind of distinction I'll leave for those with time to reflect upon it.
posted by yerfatma at 4:51 PM on August 10, 2004
You're right, it really is a gateway "language": it led me to JavaScript which led to ASP/PHP/CF which is now leading to Python and C#. The common thread is they all require some logical thought and the ability to abstract. The lack of algorithm is the kind of distinction I'll leave for those with time to reflect upon it.
posted by yerfatma at 4:51 PM on August 10, 2004
Showoff.
posted by chicobangs at 6:51 PM on August 10, 2004
posted by chicobangs at 6:51 PM on August 10, 2004
Scoding? I don't know, you naughty boy, I've never scoded!
posted by scody at 11:54 PM on August 10, 2004
posted by scody at 11:54 PM on August 10, 2004
no, html is markup. putting a b in brackets to denote bold type is not coding. it requires no thought, no testing, no algorithm, not the least bit of cleverness at all. html isn't coding, and those who insist it is are merely inflating thier opinions of themselves as a result of having learned to put a b in brackets to denote bold type.
Markup is coding. You're creating a set of of code used to describe a document -- and in fact, you can look at it as a set of instructions to a parser (browser) to The fact that it's not as complex as, say, Perl (or to use an example closer to document creation, PostScript) and isn't Turing-complete, doesn't make it not coding. Because coding is not necessarily spelling out algorithms.
Take Prolog, for example. What you type in are logical statements about relationships. Of course, there's an implicit algorithm being created, because you know how the parser is going to step through things, and most Prolog programmers probably considers this, and end up creating algorithms. But there's a strong case to be made that the language itself is about declaring/describing things, rather than setting down a list of instructions for carrying out an algorithm.
posted by weston at 3:12 PM on August 11, 2004
Markup is coding. You're creating a set of of code used to describe a document -- and in fact, you can look at it as a set of instructions to a parser (browser) to The fact that it's not as complex as, say, Perl (or to use an example closer to document creation, PostScript) and isn't Turing-complete, doesn't make it not coding. Because coding is not necessarily spelling out algorithms.
Take Prolog, for example. What you type in are logical statements about relationships. Of course, there's an implicit algorithm being created, because you know how the parser is going to step through things, and most Prolog programmers probably considers this, and end up creating algorithms. But there's a strong case to be made that the language itself is about declaring/describing things, rather than setting down a list of instructions for carrying out an algorithm.
posted by weston at 3:12 PM on August 11, 2004
So html is coding but not programming?
This is all quite confusing
posted by ZippityBuddha at 3:46 PM on August 11, 2004
This is all quite confusing
posted by ZippityBuddha at 3:46 PM on August 11, 2004
programming is making a computer/machine do something. coding is affecting how stuff looks/displays, no?
posted by amberglow at 3:52 PM on August 11, 2004
posted by amberglow at 3:52 PM on August 11, 2004
Roughly speaking, I'd break it down as:
Coding: converting/expressing an idea in a given representational symbology
programming: doing the same thing, but describing an algorithmic solution to a problem. Prolog sortof blurs the lines here, though.
Also, ammend:
in fact, you can look at it as a set of instructions to a parser (browser) to The fact that it's not as complex as
to:
...in fact, you can look at it [html] as a set of instructions to a parser (browser) to be rendered as a document. The fact that it's not as complex...
posted by weston at 10:18 PM on August 11, 2004
Coding: converting/expressing an idea in a given representational symbology
programming: doing the same thing, but describing an algorithmic solution to a problem. Prolog sortof blurs the lines here, though.
Also, ammend:
in fact, you can look at it as a set of instructions to a parser (browser) to The fact that it's not as complex as
to:
...in fact, you can look at it [html] as a set of instructions to a parser (browser) to be rendered as a document. The fact that it's not as complex...
posted by weston at 10:18 PM on August 11, 2004
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posted by scarabic at 11:48 AM on August 10, 2004