Hope us. Hope us all.

November 3, 2005 9:10 PM

Hope us. Hope us all.
posted by Krrrlson to Etiquette/Policy at 9:10 PM (57 comments total)

Bad post, worse thread.
posted by Krrrlson at 9:11 PM on November 3, 2005

Yeah, but without that thread we wouldn't have gotten semmi's response to it--and today would just totally not have been worth it, otherwise.
posted by hototogisu at 9:22 PM on November 3, 2005

I say worse post, bad thread. But to each their own. And nobody has mentioned the cups yet, so that's something, right?
posted by blahblahblah at 9:23 PM on November 3, 2005

i don't know why people have to get so mean about it tho.
posted by amberglow at 9:23 PM on November 3, 2005

what amberglow said.
posted by bunglin jones at 9:28 PM on November 3, 2005

Tags:
iran
jew
zionist
italy
islam
edoardo
agnelli
fiat

I propose a filter where any post tagged israel, jew, iran, palestine, zionist... ah fuck it nobody cares.
posted by tweak at 9:33 PM on November 3, 2005

i don't know why people have to get so mean about it tho.
posted by amberglow

Agreed.
posted by justgary at 9:35 PM on November 3, 2005

Maybe we should find a way to ship the Islamicists, the Zionists and the Christian fundies to the moon so they can fight it out amongst themselves away from the rest of us.
posted by davy at 9:36 PM on November 3, 2005

We should probably start with persia.

The user, of course.
posted by loquax at 9:41 PM on November 3, 2005

My personal favourite part of the thread was just how quickly it got around to debating whether or not Israel should exist. Because, you know, they're troublemakers.
posted by loquax at 9:45 PM on November 3, 2005

Damn cups.
posted by Balisong at 9:46 PM on November 3, 2005

Amberglow, I think that it was the secret Jewish conspiracy angle that persia was not-too-subtly pushing in a FPP that created the mean. The evil influence described to Italian "Zionist doctors" in bumping off people who dared convert to Islam and such was a tad much, even for winking insinuation.

On preview -- the cup barrier is broken. Rejoice!
posted by blahblahblah at 9:49 PM on November 3, 2005

how quickly it got around to debating whether or not Israel should exist

That sentiment began in the topic of the FPP itself.
posted by mischief at 9:59 PM on November 3, 2005

Yeah, that's a train wreck you could see coming from far away.
posted by clevershark at 10:04 PM on November 3, 2005

What? There's nothing mean about insisting that a cabal of Zionist doctors assassinates Muslims.

I love amberglow's unique combinaton of hypersensitivity to the puppy-kicking, baby-eating atrocities perpetrated by the American Satan and his Zionist Lapdogs, and complete immunity to hateful psychotic fantasies coming from those he's defending.


That sentiment began in the topic of the FPP itself.

Well, from your post in the thread we know exactly how you feel on this issue. Why waste words, though? Go down there and do something about it.
posted by Krrrlson at 10:06 PM on November 3, 2005

I don't have an iron in this fire, Krrrlson, just as I didn't have an iron in the fire of who won the world series. All I see here is two teams looking for bragging rights.
posted by mischief at 10:10 PM on November 3, 2005

Maybe persia's just doing a school paper on Zionist hospital protocol.
posted by Rothko at 10:25 PM on November 3, 2005

Was matteo being serious in that Cyprus thread about the photography tag? Or was he joking? Here I thought I got a bit bizarre at times.
posted by mischief at 10:52 PM on November 3, 2005

Oh, nevermind, I'll just read that other MeTalk thread.
posted by mischief at 10:59 PM on November 3, 2005

i don't know why people have to get so mean about it tho.
posted by amberglow at 9:23 PM PST on November 3 [!]

ROFLMAO

Indeed. Why do people have to be so mean about it. Amberglow, care to comment?

Of course you wouldn't.
posted by dhoyt at 6:55 AM on November 4, 2005

So am I to understand there's no deletion forthcoming?
posted by loquax at 7:13 AM on November 4, 2005

My dad converted to Christianity from Judaism. I have to warn him about the Zionist Ninjas that are undoubtedly creeping through his window even as we speak!
posted by unreason at 7:19 AM on November 4, 2005

Matt's been asleep at the deletion switch lately.
posted by languagehat at 7:36 AM on November 4, 2005

Matt's been asleep at the deletion switch lately.

amen.

if, with nonsensical prejudicial remarks, he can delete a well posed clevershark fpp, he can delete this total piece of crap, maybe the worst mefi fpp ever.

just reading through persia's comments on the fpp, we have a full on tinfoil milliner on our hands.
posted by 3.2.3 at 7:45 AM on November 4, 2005

Thank you all for your hospitalities and gentleness!

What did I do wrong from your point of view?

I don’t care if some Jewish people here try to push me out, but I want to let you know I'm not against Jews, I myself have Jewish friends. What I have an aversion to is Zionism. Jewish people are not equal to Zionists.
posted by persia at 8:27 AM on November 4, 2005

I don’t care if some Jewish people here try to push me out, but I want to let you know I'm not against Jews, I myself have Jewish friends.

*faints*
posted by dhoyt at 8:34 AM on November 4, 2005

What if non-jews are trying to push you out? Do you care then?
posted by loquax at 8:35 AM on November 4, 2005

Matt (or Jessamyn), I see that you've deleted a double-post from this morning, so you guys are around. If you're reading this, what's the reason behind leaving this post up? Beyond any offensiveness, it's a Reuters link, some bizarre photos, and a half-baked conspiracy theory (I think, the whole thing is pretty incoherent). That, plus the editorializing in the post is more than enough for a deletion, isn't it?
posted by loquax at 8:51 AM on November 4, 2005

I should add, I don't really care either way, I'd be happy to leave it up so that future generations know of persia and his teachings, but it doesn't really seem to fit with past deletion policy, as I understood it.
posted by loquax at 8:53 AM on November 4, 2005

"What if non-jews are trying to push you out? Do you care then?"

Well I would be curious to know which parts of my posts and comments were offensive to you?!

but "NO"; even then as far as I'm not braking Mefi's laws I wont give it a s*... . sorry!
posted by persia at 9:15 AM on November 4, 2005

"I myself have Jewish friends..."

How can anyone not know by now to avoid saying that kind of phrase at all costs?

It's odd: I do think it could be a valid defense if the person isn't a bigot, but that's what they're trying to prove, so it isn't helpful. If a bigot says it, they're being patronizing in a way that underscores their bigotry.

Maybe "patronizing" isn't the right word. I think the vibe I get from this statement and the similar vibe I get from bigots that are trying to claim they're not bigots, is that every statement they make subtly (or not so subtly) demonstrates how much they truly do see that group as other, as quite unlike themselves. That's the tell.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 9:22 AM on November 4, 2005

I'm not going to argue about this anymore …
You probably won't like to hear this but take my word: "you can awake one who is asleep but not one who is pretending to be asleep"

Good luck and good bye.
posted by persia at 9:40 AM on November 4, 2005

persia, if you don't have a dislike for Jews, why are you so opposed to them having a state? Rabid anti-zionism can't be completely divorced from a tinge of anti-semitism, in my opinion. I can understand (and support) the demand for a Palestinian state, but to be so against Israel in toto indicates indiscriminate hate. That such things are posted here is a discredit to the site, in my opinion. I don't think we need links on this site which boil down to hatred.
posted by dios at 9:41 AM on November 4, 2005

even then as far as I'm not braking Mefi's laws I wont give it a s*... . sorry!

Well, yes, "not braking" is often the cause of trainwrecks.
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 9:44 AM on November 4, 2005

the ralliers called for the withdrawal of the Zionists from the occupied Palestine.

No they are calling for Israel to be wiped off the map. Offensive to me as a human being. You?

They also called for the Italian government's explanation on the Nov 15, 2000 assassination of the Eduardo Agnelli suspiciously at the hand of the zionists.

This sentence states that this person was "assassinated" by "the zionists" as fact, where it is actually speculation and rumour.

What zionists, by the way? All of them? Well, I heard the moslems blew up the WTC, how do you like them apples? I also call for moslems to get out of occupied chechnya and bosnia. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate moslems, only the ones who live where I don't want them to live, and who are uppity enough to think the deserve it.

On preview: See you!
posted by loquax at 9:50 AM on November 4, 2005

I myself have Jewish friends.

It was worth the entire trainwreck just to see this phrase used in utter seriousness. Go in peace, persia, you nutjob!
*gives persia an affectionate noogie, pushes him towards the door*
posted by languagehat at 10:34 AM on November 4, 2005

I myself have Martianoid friends. But it's not like I want them to invade, what with the giant lasers and the PAIN, PAIN IN THE GLAYVIN!
posted by selfnoise at 10:45 AM on November 4, 2005

I myself have Jewish mitochondria and a Jewish Y chromosome. Came with this handy beanie.
posted by Captaintripps at 11:20 AM on November 4, 2005

I myself have MeFite friends. I think.

("I myself have XXX friends" is the new "I for one welcome our XXX overlords".)
posted by wendell at 11:36 AM on November 4, 2005

Upon checking deleted threads for fun, I have discovered that " Wow, is this a record or something?" is the new "It vibrates?"

Hoping we can all get up to speed with MetaFilter Cliches 2.0...
posted by wendell at 11:43 AM on November 4, 2005

Now we need a replacement for "...and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter."
posted by wendell at 11:44 AM on November 4, 2005

"Your ideas intrigue me, and I wish to subscribe to your RSS feed."
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 12:50 PM on November 4, 2005

I'm with loquax. Why in the glayvin is the post still on the front page?
posted by selfnoise at 1:00 PM on November 4, 2005

You know who had Jewish friends? Hitler.

"Matt's been asleep at the deletion switch lately."
Yeah, ever since he quit his job to work here full time...

And Dios: "if you don't have a dislike for Jews, why are you so opposed to them having a state?"

I'm opposed to any religious basis for statehood, really. Just as I'm opposed to ethnic nationalism. But hey, that's me.
posted by klangklangston at 1:13 PM on November 4, 2005

klangklangston: so, for clarification, you don't support autonomy that can be construed as ethnic(Kurdish, Palestinian, etc.) and you don't support autonomy that can be construed as religious (Judaism). I guess you are just in favor of arbitrary political boundaries?

If that's the case, your consistency is refreshing and I applaud it, even if I don't agree with you.
posted by dios at 1:41 PM on November 4, 2005

dios:
well, the british state has neither an ethnic basis (we are, as they say, a multicultural society these days) nor a religious one (I can be jewish/catholic/ sikh/atheist/whatever, and british). That is also the case in the US isn't it?

I'm unsure as to what you're surprise is based on.
posted by dash_slot- at 4:55 PM on November 4, 2005

dios : "Rabid anti-zionism can't be completely divorced from a tinge of anti-semitism, in my opinion."

Personally, I'm neither opposed to religious bases, nor ethnic bases, but to displacement of people. Didn't like what Europeans did with the Americas, don't like what the Europeans and Americans did with Israel.

I'm white. I certainly have no hatred for white folks. And if some group of white folks got descriminated against, largely decimated, and driven out of the countries where they had lived, that would really suck. But if the UN then decided: "Ok, these guys are Aryan, let's just seize a chunk of India, kick out all the Indians living there, and create an Aryan homeland for these displaced people", I'd think that really sucked. And if the white folks then started grabbing more and more outlying areas to expand their nation, I'd think that sucked.

What I don't understand is why I can be opposed to this example and not be racist, but if I'm opposed to the very similar Israeli issue, I'm somehow de facto racist.
posted by Bugbread at 7:12 PM on November 4, 2005

Dios: Echo chamber lefty liberals, Right wing = mainstream.
Everyone else: No we arent, and no you aren't , and it hurts America and makes the baby Flying Spagetti Monster cry when you say such reprehensible things....

I love Metafilter.
posted by Balisong at 9:17 PM on November 4, 2005

Balisong : "Dios: Echo chamber lefty liberals, Right wing = mainstream.
Everyone else: No we arent, and no you aren't , and it hurts America and makes the baby Flying Spagetti Monster cry when you say such reprehensible things...."

You readin' the same thread as the rest of us? None of that stuff has come up in relation to dios in this discussion.
posted by Bugbread at 9:25 PM on November 4, 2005

Oh, yeah.. not this one...
posted by Balisong at 9:26 PM on November 4, 2005

Yeah, not in this one. So what the hell are you on about?

"I guess you are just in favor of arbitrary political boundaries?"
Well, geographic ones come in handy too, like mountains, rivers and islands. And I think that shared cultural beliefs are pretty important for a functioning state (ideally expressed through contentious political parties), though I'm a fan of trying to make sure that those cultural beliefs are diverse and roughly kept in equal power, so as to provide a check on factionalism.
But I'm generally in favor of maintaining current political boundaries, and nearly all of them are arbitrary. But we're gonna start getting into civic religions and noble lies in a second...
posted by klangklangston at 9:41 PM on November 4, 2005

Amen, bugbread.
posted by brundlefly at 3:21 AM on November 5, 2005

Yes, similar analogies have been made a zillion times, but rarely with such brevity and panache.
posted by languagehat at 5:10 AM on November 5, 2005

Amen, bugbread.

seconded.
posted by mr.marx at 1:13 PM on November 5, 2005

So why was that thread not deleted?
posted by OmieWise at 8:35 PM on November 5, 2005

No idea, especially considering the super fast deletion of this one. I flagged it, did anyone else?
posted by loquax at 11:24 PM on November 5, 2005

I flagged it (and called it out, obviously).
posted by Krrrlson at 9:54 AM on November 6, 2005