Year-End Lists December 20, 2005 4:42 AM   Subscribe


Because it's best of (the real world on) the web, silly.
posted by NinjaPirate at 5:01 AM on December 20, 2005


i was wondering the exact same thing...
posted by slater at 5:01 AM on December 20, 2005


The cultural function of lists and prizes. Not that this explains the poster's attitude to his own post, or, indeed, whether it was a good post or not.
posted by johnny novak at 5:05 AM on December 20, 2005


Because "everyone" < everyone?
posted by Tuwa at 5:24 AM on December 20, 2005


I agree that something that is admittedly "really just not that interesting" is not for MetaFilter. Why bother?
posted by grouse at 5:25 AM on December 20, 2005


By which I mean, yeah, it's a defensively-worded post, which primes some people up to run in with a battle-axe, but I could see making similar posts about things "everyone" knows not to do like, I don't know, lifting heavy things with your genitals.
posted by Tuwa at 5:26 AM on December 20, 2005


Nothing rankles me more than people who post things "because someone was going to". No one would have if you didn't, kenko! Don't try to play it off like "Dude, I don't really like the Power Rangers, I'm just wearing this shirt because someone was going to." Grow a backbone and own up to the fact that you think it's actually interesting. Or don't make us spend our milliseconds scrolling by it.

Okay, a couple things probably rankle me more than that, but it's still annoying.
posted by Plutor at 5:48 AM on December 20, 2005


kenko: a mystery wrapped up in an enigma, or maybe it's bacon. Either way, it's a darn tasty way to consume indigestion.
posted by If I Had An Anus at 6:15 AM on December 20, 2005


preemptive anti-snark protection, I suspect.
posted by crunchland at 6:20 AM on December 20, 2005


preemptive anti-snark protection

That always works.
posted by Gator at 6:25 AM on December 20, 2005


I've given up complaining about people posting annual events every single year, but I don't understand it either. We just seem to have to talk about the Darwin awards, the Bulwer-Lytton prize, the anniversary of this or that armistice or historic event, &c &c, over and over and over. Selah vee.
posted by languagehat at 6:36 AM on December 20, 2005


Selah Vee? She's that French metaphysical porn star, right?
posted by jonmc at 6:50 AM on December 20, 2005


Of course most of these posts include some prominent notice that they are an annual sort of thing, like, oh I don't know a phrase like "annual best of X review" or some such. This means that people who don't care about X have a reason to NOT read the thread, while those who are actually interested in discussing X can do so - and really should be allowed to do so without having others who clearly could not give two shits about the topic come in and start a MeTa thread bitching about a thread they have no interest in reading in the first place. It isn't necessary to start a MeTa over every thread you don't want to read, is it? There are plenty of threads I don't want to read, or think are unnecessary, but I don't enter the thread just to say "this thread sucks and PS I'm complaining about it in MeTa."

There is no God of the Mouse compelling you to click on every FPP and participate in every thread. The best 'filter for what you find interesting is your own brain. Read the FPP and then decide if you care. Save the MeTa callouts for the inappropriate or abusive FPPs/comments, not as a method of tailoring the content of MeFi to your own liking.
posted by caution live frogs at 6:54 AM on December 20, 2005


Johnny Novak: That would make a great FPP. I encourage you to dig out a little more and post it.
posted by klangklangston at 7:22 AM on December 20, 2005


Selah vee.
posted by languagehat at 6:36 AM PST on December 20


languagehat, I know you are very versed in languages, and I don't want to seem like too much of a prescriptivist, but I think the proper spelling is c'est la vie.

neener, neener
posted by dios at 7:26 AM on December 20, 2005


Mmmm...metaphysical porn...
posted by mediareport at 7:30 AM on December 20, 2005


OMGWTFHumVee, dios?
posted by If I Had An Anus at 7:30 AM on December 20, 2005


languagehat, I know you are very versed in languages, and I don't want to seem like too much of a prescriptivist, but I AM A LAWYER LOOK AT ME I'M A LAWYER OBJECTION YOUR HONOR CROSSEXAMINATION CEASE AND DESIST WOO WOO WOO WOO

^^^ LAWYER!


Dammit, dios, this is what they're talking about!
posted by cortex at 7:38 AM on December 20, 2005


That always works.

Yeah, I guess the fact that we're even discussing it sort of proves the futility.
posted by crunchland at 7:40 AM on December 20, 2005


frogs, it isn't just that I, personally, am not interested in the post, it's that the poster himself acknowledges that "Everyone is aware" the subject is not interesting. If it's not interesting, and everyone knows that, why on Earth does it make sense to post it?
posted by Kirth Gerson at 7:44 AM on December 20, 2005


Totally, literally.
posted by If I Had An Anus at 7:51 AM on December 20, 2005


Hm. Well, I was interested. Plus I found this link to fimoculous' 2005 list of lists there, which is nice. (Thanks, panoptican!).
posted by taz at 8:17 AM on December 20, 2005


KG - Because the poster wanted to discuss the links, and perhaps avoid having the thread be about whether the thread was necessary? I didn't see that as any different than a post like "Electionfilter (someone had to post it..)" kind of thing we were seeing a while back. You must realize by now that people can get really bitchy about post content here, and naturally people putting up links are going to be defensive in response to the snark factor. Just because the poster was unsure about how well-recieved the links would be doesn't mean the post itself is delete-worthy. Aside from your comment I don't see anything in the thread that makes me feel those participating thought it was a crap post.

Don't mean to be all pissy here but the comment in-thread was just unnecessary. The MeTa callout without the "This thread just isn't that interesting" might not have annoyed me so much.
posted by caution live frogs at 8:38 AM on December 20, 2005


frogs, that wasn't just a comment in thread, it was a quote. Of the poster.

He wasn't "unsure about how well-recieved the links would be;" he stated with certainty that the subject isn't interesting. Is stating upfront that the post is about dull and stupid stuff supposed to somehow disarm criticism? How would that work?
posted by Kirth Gerson at 9:15 AM on December 20, 2005


Also, if you don't mean to be all pissy, well - don't be.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 9:16 AM on December 20, 2005


Would this be the appropriate moment for a Top 10 list of best MetaTalk clusterfucks of 2005? Thought so. But I'm too lazy.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 9:22 AM on December 20, 2005


Oh boy, called out! It's my first time, so, you know, I'm kinda nervous.

Keith, the reason I posted it is that someone was going to, but that person was probably just going to post a single link to Pitchfork's top 50. At least this way some other lists got some of the mefi lovin'. I do think such lists are silly, though discussing them can be fun (if repetitive); nevertheless, I thought this would at least be a way of making the inevitable not as bad as it might otherwise have been.

Anyway, if you like it, what do you care? If you don't, well, why wouldn't you agree that it's inevitable and someone would have done it anyway, and, again, not care?
posted by kenko at 9:31 AM on December 20, 2005


Also, secretly I sorta like the lists, but I hate myself for doing so.
posted by kenko at 9:47 AM on December 20, 2005


If you don't, well, why wouldn't you agree that it's inevitable and someone would have done it anyway, and, again, not care?

The alleged (but unproven) inevitability of someone else posting crap does not justify you doing it. As has been pointed out by others.
posted by grouse at 10:10 AM on December 20, 2005


True. I think historical record is on my side in this case, though.
posted by kenko at 10:38 AM on December 20, 2005


I took it as "this is a guilty pleasure, but here goes," which makes sense to me as a qualifier.
posted by scarabic at 10:54 AM on December 20, 2005


I'm with scarabic. I'm not sure whether I'm with kenko or not, though, because he's arguing the "no I'm right it's inevitable" point harder than necessary. But then he did say it was his first callout and he's nervous, so, y'know, he might just be jumpy.
posted by cortex at 11:07 AM on December 20, 2005


It's interesting to me. I don't even like "top" lists, but the recommendations and grief they bring are worth the post. I'll hit it.
posted by mrgrimm at 11:19 AM on December 20, 2005


"Somebody would have shot this motherfucker sooner or later. I just happened to be the one to do it."
posted by languagehat at 11:48 AM on December 20, 2005


Wait, did someone shoot a Pitchfork reviewer? If that's the case, kenko deserves a medal.
posted by cortex at 11:56 AM on December 20, 2005


This post sucks.
posted by tr33hggr at 12:08 PM on December 20, 2005


tr33hggr: This post sucks.

The FPP or the MeTa? Or are you being self referential and commenting on your own post?

And Pitchfork reviewers shouldn't be shot. They should be forced to only listen to the records they praise. That would change their tune pretty quickly.
posted by Slack-a-gogo at 12:28 PM on December 20, 2005


caution live frogs: "It isn't necessary to start a MeTa over every thread you don't want to read, is it?"

There's a big difference between a thread I don't want to read and a crappy post and an FPP-for-the-sake-of-getting-there-first. One I just go by. The others get flagged or called out. Are you saying we should let every shitty post go by without comment?
posted by Plutor at 12:32 PM on December 20, 2005


"It isn't necessary to start a MeTa over every thread you don't want to read, is it?"
...
Are you saying we should let every shitty post go by without comment?

Welcome to antoher episode of dueling hyperboles!
posted by scarabic at 1:16 PM on December 20, 2005


I don't care.
I care deeply.
I'm on the fence.
That about covers it. Anything else Kirth?
posted by KevinSkomsvold at 1:25 PM on December 20, 2005


The vikings are coming, the vikings are coming!
posted by monju_bosatsu at 1:28 PM on December 20, 2005


KevinSkomsvold, why ask me? I didn't say any of those things. or are you trying to sum up all the viewpoints in the thread?
posted by Kirth Gerson at 1:40 PM on December 20, 2005


The vikings are coming, the vikings are coming!

Yeah, but their offense is mediocre at best, and they pretty much have to get lucky to beat you.
posted by COBRA! at 1:42 PM on December 20, 2005


I took it as "this is a guilty pleasure, but here goes," which makes sense to me as a qualifier.

That's how I took it, and I thought it was sweet and disarming.
posted by 912 Greens at 2:10 PM on December 20, 2005


Not directed at you Kirth, sorry. Just my futile attempt at expressing futility.
posted by KevinSkomsvold at 2:12 PM on December 20, 2005


sweet and disarming

This is as good a description of Kenko as I could think up.
posted by scarabic at 2:16 PM on December 20, 2005


saccharine and limbless!
posted by cortex at 2:20 PM on December 20, 2005


cortex translates "sweet and disarming" as "saccharine and limbless". cortex, Babelfish needs you.
posted by Cranberry at 2:54 PM on December 20, 2005


kenko, mentioning pitchfork may have been a mistake. I think I see torches.
posted by Cranberry at 2:57 PM on December 20, 2005


Wait, the year is ending? When?
posted by gramschmidt at 4:03 PM on December 20, 2005


Don't you worry gram, we'll get you another year.
posted by Cranberry at 4:14 PM on December 20, 2005


But it may be one of the years they have on sale at Wal-Mart. I think there's an incredible deal on 1347.
posted by languagehat at 6:17 PM on December 20, 2005


A plague on all your houses, languagehat! I thought gramschmidt should have a nice shiny new year, not an old sick one!
posted by Cranberry at 10:38 PM on December 20, 2005


Mmmm...metaphysical porn...

...puts Descartes before the whores?
posted by mono blanco at 11:56 PM on December 20, 2005


* ♥s mono blanco *
posted by taz at 12:43 AM on December 21, 2005


Plutor writes "Are you saying we should let every shitty post go by without comment?"

I'm saying if you don't like a post for some reason, flag it. If it's blatantly offensive or abusive, then MeTa is more appropriate. 90% of the reason the flags were implemented (from my perspective) was to stop having MeTa threads hashing out every post anyone thinks is sub-par.

I think I see more MeTa complaints about people shitting in threads than I see about bad threads in general.
posted by caution live frogs at 6:43 AM on December 21, 2005


MONO BLANCO!
posted by klangklangston at 6:52 AM on December 21, 2005



posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 4:50 AM on January 3, 2006


This is apt:

« Older Mark all as read. [mi]... | Can we get a [thread closed] i... Newer »
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 6:18 AM on January 3, 2006


Threadkiller.
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 11:34 AM on January 8, 2006


Threadkilling seems to be a talent we have in common! raedyn first called attention to her abundant skills, I have done my share, Nice Donkey just killed 10733, and now gnfti has realized that he can do it too. Makes you feel kinda proud.
posted by Cranberry at 1:18 PM on January 8, 2006


To be fair, I didn't exactly kill 10733. It just grew old and died. Right in front of me.
posted by Nice Donkey at 7:29 PM on January 8, 2006


Chernobog killed Cheney, doctors intervened.
posted by If I Had An Anus at 6:47 AM on January 9, 2006


I wear a U.S. size 11. I'm just sayin'.
posted by If I Had An Anus at 10:34 AM on January 9, 2006


*waits by gmailbox*
posted by If I Had An Anus at 12:53 PM on January 9, 2006


Did you get my candygram?


posted by OmieWise at 1:03 PM on January 9, 2006


Did everyone notice a stunning lack of recognition for the longboat saga in Quartermass's thesis? ;-)
posted by Cranberry at 4:42 PM on January 9, 2006


Yeah Omie, you killed my threadkill. Well done.
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 7:58 AM on January 10, 2006


I wasn't trying to get smart, I just liked the thread. Honest. I missed it before your comment, that's all.
posted by OmieWise at 10:09 AM on January 10, 2006


Don't let gnfti bully you OmieWise. That thread is still open, if he REALLY cared, gnfti could go back and comment again...
There will be more threads to kill, enough so that every body gets a share in the honor.
posted by Cranberry at 12:14 PM on January 10, 2006


Cranberry is doing an excellent job of keeping the longboat gang together.

*sobs, hugs OmieWise, sobs all over OmieWise*
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 1:16 PM on January 10, 2006


*hands gnfti a hankie*
posted by Cranberry at 2:13 PM on January 10, 2006


*wipes his bawls with Cran's hankie*
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 3:18 PM on January 10, 2006


*insists that gnfti keep the hankie; not return it even washed and ironed*
posted by Cranberry at 4:59 PM on January 10, 2006


Yay, free hankie!
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 5:29 PM on January 10, 2006


Sure, but it has lace all around the edges. What will the guys think? I do not want to hear anything about trophies.
posted by Cranberry at 9:42 PM on January 10, 2006


Nice trophy, gnfti!


posted by OmieWise at 7:01 AM on January 11, 2006


This discussion is stalling. We need gramschmidt to post a provoking, confusing dadaist image *STAT*.
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 9:14 AM on January 11, 2006


If you want confusing, gram is your man. He is a master of non sequitur.
posted by Cranberry at 10:47 AM on January 11, 2006


nice one OmieWise
posted by Cranberry at 10:47 AM on January 11, 2006


*buys Cranberry a MetaChat login*
posted by If I Had An Anus at 11:17 AM on January 11, 2006


g-diddy, dude, sir, I need translation help *STAT*.
posted by If I Had An Anus at 11:25 AM on January 11, 2006


I'd love to see that translated too. She seems to be using some version of my name (Andrew). She seems to want to fall in love with me (to know me is to love me).
posted by OmieWise at 11:33 AM on January 11, 2006


I like when she says 'fuck twat' (the t is silent).
posted by If I Had An Anus at 11:34 AM on January 11, 2006


Okay guys, you finally got me - I'm not really Dutch.

I'm actually dhoyt.
























Alright, here we go:
-->
"Damn, aren't your tits huge. "

<--
"Meh - look who's talking."
Does this mean I get a credit on Plumpr? ;)

This is an interpretative translation, mind you: I wouldn't translate this use of (the loanword) "fuck" in Dutch, used as an interjection, to "fuck" in English, as it's often used in Dutch with a more benign connotation. Ah, the trappings of using foreign words at will. :) Used as an expletive, however, it's more transparent IMO, i.e. fuck=fuck.

Hope this makes sense, because I've recently applied for a side job as a Dutch-English translator. Wish me the luckiness!
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 12:35 PM on January 11, 2006


The translation made sense. Thank you.

The fuck=fuck part confused the fuck outta me.
posted by If I Had An Anus at 12:54 PM on January 11, 2006


Yeah, I can see why.

Long version: I figured, you're probably wondering why I used "damn" instead of "fuck" when "fuck", an English word, was used in the original. What I tried to make clear was that the meaning can differ subtly when used as a loanword, which is why I went with the less charged "damn".

Short version: Fuck is not always fuck.

Longboat version: Damn, aren't your sugarcubes laced.
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 1:10 PM on January 11, 2006


I got the not always fuck part, it's the is sometimes fuck part that broke my head.

Also: Trout Gravy is the official expectorant of plumpr, so no soup for you (and I am serious about the MetaChat thing).
posted by If I Had An Anus at 1:25 PM on January 11, 2006


gnfti: for $5.00 you can have the new nick DutcHOYT, or notDutcHOYT, or notreallyDutcHOYT. It would be interesting to see the reaction.
posted by Cranberry at 12:40 PM on January 12, 2006


That makes good fucking sense. The fuck woman likes a lot like Parker Posey.
posted by OmieWise at 1:05 PM on January 12, 2006


*steps off the plane on to the tarmac, golden skinned and relaxed*
posted by raedyn at 7:16 AM on January 13, 2006


Welcome back raedyn! You have been missed.

Oh, and: recognition, baby!
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 9:30 AM on January 13, 2006


raedyn, it has rained 26 out of the last 27 days in Portland. Go ahead, tell us where you got golden skinned, we love to envy.
posted by Cranberry at 11:56 AM on January 13, 2006


It's the one Caribbean country which Americans don't go to. And it was beautiful.
posted by raedyn at 1:01 PM on January 13, 2006


(Cuba)
posted by raedyn at 1:03 PM on January 13, 2006


olé
posted by Cranberry at 1:20 PM on January 13, 2006


Did you mix the rum with the cola? I love when they do that. Makes you feel like Cuba is actually free.

(In Holland though, they unimaginatively call it a BaCo - what do they call it in the States, anyway?)

Congratulations on breaking the embargo.
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 2:37 PM on January 13, 2006


They love Canucks down there. Tourism is now their #1 industry, and Canadians are fully half of their tourists. One day we went on a tour to Havana, and our guide wore a Team Canada hockey tshirt and ballcap, and played Shania Twain in the car. Not that we actually like Shania, but his effort was very sweet.
posted by raedyn at 3:05 PM on January 13, 2006


CRANBERRY, YOU'RE FANTASTIC! Found because of xmutex's confusion.
posted by Nice Donkey at 10:59 PM on January 13, 2006


Golly, an anthem! I never thought of myself as a side dish, more like a main course, of course. I had not seen that although IIHAA had and linked to my formerly cranberry-colored user page.
posted by Cranberry at 1:26 PM on January 14, 2006


*wipes away tears*

That's beautiful.
posted by raedyn at 7:36 AM on January 16, 2006


I turned to jelly.
posted by Cranberry at 11:38 AM on January 16, 2006


I turned to heroin.
posted by If I Had An Anus at 5:59 AM on January 17, 2006


Err, danO, I think you made a typo. It's spelled "heroine" and yeah, I would also turn to Cranberry in times of need.
posted by raedyn at 1:17 PM on January 17, 2006


When you need a refreshing ocean spray™?
posted by Cranberry at 2:13 PM on January 17, 2006


I didn't know you were into water sports, Cran.
posted by If I Had An Anus at 7:39 PM on January 17, 2006



posted by If I Had An Anus at 7:52 AM on January 18, 2006


Well, IIHAA, you have proved worthy of membership in the thread killer club. A whole day has passed without further comments.
Tomorrow this thread will close forever and ever. 10935 is already closed. 10936 anyone?
Shall we make the effort to continue until June so that when the archaeologists dig up 9622v2 they will find that the longboat civilization flourished for a whole year?
posted by Cranberry at 11:41 AM on January 19, 2006


Shall we make the effort to continue until June so that when the archaeologists dig up 9622v2 they will find that the longboat civilization flourished for a whole year?

My thoughts exactly.
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 12:06 PM on January 19, 2006


When I get a little older, I want to become a longboat archaeologist.
posted by Nice Donkey at 1:13 PM on January 19, 2006


While you are still young, could you dig up gramschmidt? I think he has not posted anywhere - in Metaworld - since January 8th.
posted by Cranberry at 2:50 PM on January 19, 2006


Is it becoming an effort now? (probably) Have we really run out of non-sequitors and witty repartee? (some of us - I'm looking @ me - never had any)

*sniff*
posted by raedyn at 2:51 PM on January 19, 2006



While you are still young, could you dig up gramschmidt?


Well, I could try posting the gram signal:

Image hosted by Photobucket.com

I mean, if a weird rubber doll preparing to sacrifice a knitted pink elephant doesn't summon him, what will?
posted by Nice Donkey at 8:31 PM on January 19, 2006


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