We obviously can't have respectful discussions about respectful discussions April 18, 2006 3:01 PM Subscribe
We obviously can't have respectful discussions about respectful discussions. Every time the topic comes up, the same insulting "discussion" occurs. Seeing as how no new information is ever presented in these topics, shouldn't they all be considered double posts and deleted? When they are nothing more than another opportunity to display your disgust with someone who disagrees with you, what value do they add to the site?
Since nobody is ever going to see this . . .
I SHOT JFK.
posted by Ryvar at 3:03 PM on April 18, 2006
I SHOT JFK.
posted by Ryvar at 3:03 PM on April 18, 2006
This is the second installment today in the series "Why Matt's Idea of A Metatalk Queue Is Good Good Good". Thank you for participating.
posted by frykitty at 3:10 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by frykitty at 3:10 PM on April 18, 2006
Ahhh, and here I was smoking at my window, pondering the results of Meta² - and here we are. Let us all dissapear in a puff of inanity.
posted by prostyle at 3:11 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by prostyle at 3:11 PM on April 18, 2006
IMO one of the bigger problems facing North American society is far too much respect.
Specifically, too much respect toward ignorant people who wish to shove their religion-based idiocy down everyone's throat.
Too much respect toward, for instance, creationists. Those stupid fuckers are now pushing to have their excreable religion put into the public school curriculum and are succeeding.
Too much respect toward, for instance, asshat presidents who are convinced God put them in power. Or, for that matter (going back a few years) asshat presidents who consult fucking astrologers for advice on how to deal with international negotiations. FFS, it is to cry.
Our tolerance for stupidity is a death sentence for our society. Creation-believing idiots are NOT going to be capable of driving our economy with any success whatsoever. This continent is rapidly heading toward an information-based economy: one that focuses on the research, testing, and design of new products, especially those that are based on scientific principles.
So screw respect for the loons. We don't need them, we don't want them, we should not tolerate them.
This message is brought to you most respectfully by someone who has absolutely no respect for creationists.
posted by five fresh fish at 3:13 PM on April 18, 2006 [1 favorite]
Specifically, too much respect toward ignorant people who wish to shove their religion-based idiocy down everyone's throat.
Too much respect toward, for instance, creationists. Those stupid fuckers are now pushing to have their excreable religion put into the public school curriculum and are succeeding.
Too much respect toward, for instance, asshat presidents who are convinced God put them in power. Or, for that matter (going back a few years) asshat presidents who consult fucking astrologers for advice on how to deal with international negotiations. FFS, it is to cry.
Our tolerance for stupidity is a death sentence for our society. Creation-believing idiots are NOT going to be capable of driving our economy with any success whatsoever. This continent is rapidly heading toward an information-based economy: one that focuses on the research, testing, and design of new products, especially those that are based on scientific principles.
So screw respect for the loons. We don't need them, we don't want them, we should not tolerate them.
This message is brought to you most respectfully by someone who has absolutely no respect for creationists.
posted by five fresh fish at 3:13 PM on April 18, 2006 [1 favorite]
Yeah. Nicely ranted. To bad it'll disappear when this thread does.
posted by TimeFactor at 3:16 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by TimeFactor at 3:16 PM on April 18, 2006
proudly flagged FFF's rant as "other".
posted by blue_beetle at 3:18 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by blue_beetle at 3:18 PM on April 18, 2006
"I regret nothing" lacks compunction when prefixed by "Fuck you."
posted by furtive at 3:20 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by furtive at 3:20 PM on April 18, 2006
Hey FFF, throw it into the original blue thread before this one get shut d
posted by hangashore at 3:20 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by hangashore at 3:20 PM on April 18, 2006
FFF,
Fine, and agreed. But mocking creationism here, again is like protesting Bush by sitting in your living room with a sign, along with three of your best friends who also dislike Bush. If you're going to make fun of creationists, go do it somewhere where it may grab some new eyeballs, or at least reinforce an inadeuqately propounded position.
posted by Bugbread at 3:23 PM on April 18, 2006
Fine, and agreed. But mocking creationism here, again is like protesting Bush by sitting in your living room with a sign, along with three of your best friends who also dislike Bush. If you're going to make fun of creationists, go do it somewhere where it may grab some new eyeballs, or at least reinforce an inadeuqately propounded position.
posted by Bugbread at 3:23 PM on April 18, 2006
Woo, the threads still open! I agree with FFF. Just because we have the same discussion every time doesn't mean we should become uninformed about new events with regards to the issue under discussion.
posted by delmoi at 3:24 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by delmoi at 3:24 PM on April 18, 2006
Ok, ok, everybody out of the pool. Folks wishing to discuss the issue marginally seriously, back to the other pool (that includes you, bugbread!). Folks wishing to throw posts to the wind, stay in this pool.
posted by Bugbread at 3:26 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by Bugbread at 3:26 PM on April 18, 2006
So, how many new moderators are there? I can't keep up!
posted by funambulist at 3:28 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by funambulist at 3:28 PM on April 18, 2006
I can't believe you all derailed this so fast. Is there no civility?
Nice rant, FFF
posted by boo_radley at 3:29 PM on April 18, 2006
Nice rant, FFF
posted by boo_radley at 3:29 PM on April 18, 2006
Don't shoo people out of pools that don't belong to you, bugbread.
posted by boo_radley at 3:30 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by boo_radley at 3:30 PM on April 18, 2006
I'm not so certain this post will be shut down. So far it's been ignored.
posted by mystyk at 3:31 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by mystyk at 3:31 PM on April 18, 2006
Agreed, bugbread. It would be far more effective for us to all wander out into the net wilderness and upbraid the idiots far and wide. By god, yes.
But when cockamamie lunacy is brought into our home turf we must deal with it in situ. It would be irresponsible to allow it to exist here without being challenged: tolerating the stupidity is exactly how it got so widespread to begin with.
Fuck creationism and fuck the idiots who promote it.
And for that matter, fuck tolerance toward evangelist religions. Tolerating the wingnut Southern Baptists is what has the nation of America threatening to drop nukes on the mid-east, and tolerance of the wingnut Muslims is what has the mid-east threatening to terrorism the West.
Religion is going to be the death of us all yet. And while a whole bunch of you fruitcakes may be all peaceful with the idea of the Second Coming/72 virgins/whateverthehell, keep my and mine the hell out of your lunacy. You want to die, you just go right ahead. Leave. Me. Out.
posted by five fresh fish at 3:34 PM on April 18, 2006
But when cockamamie lunacy is brought into our home turf we must deal with it in situ. It would be irresponsible to allow it to exist here without being challenged: tolerating the stupidity is exactly how it got so widespread to begin with.
Fuck creationism and fuck the idiots who promote it.
And for that matter, fuck tolerance toward evangelist religions. Tolerating the wingnut Southern Baptists is what has the nation of America threatening to drop nukes on the mid-east, and tolerance of the wingnut Muslims is what has the mid-east threatening to terrorism the West.
Religion is going to be the death of us all yet. And while a whole bunch of you fruitcakes may be all peaceful with the idea of the Second Coming/72 virgins/whateverthehell, keep my and mine the hell out of your lunacy. You want to die, you just go right ahead. Leave. Me. Out.
posted by five fresh fish at 3:34 PM on April 18, 2006
On the next episode of MetaTalk:
Is bugbread really qualified to be a lifeguard? Does he have the best interests of the MetaFilter community in mind when he shouts from his perch - or does he just want to wear out key muscle groups directing us to and fro? Will he succumb to the charms of pool boy dios? Only time will tell...
posted by prostyle at 3:34 PM on April 18, 2006
Is bugbread really qualified to be a lifeguard? Does he have the best interests of the MetaFilter community in mind when he shouts from his perch - or does he just want to wear out key muscle groups directing us to and fro? Will he succumb to the charms of pool boy dios? Only time will tell...
posted by prostyle at 3:34 PM on April 18, 2006
Oh.
That thing about JFK was just a joke, then. You should probably forget you ever read it.
Or else.
posted by Ryvar at 3:35 PM on April 18, 2006
That thing about JFK was just a joke, then. You should probably forget you ever read it.
Or else.
posted by Ryvar at 3:35 PM on April 18, 2006
Well said FFF, George Carlin should hire you as a writer.
posted by R. Mutt at 3:39 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by R. Mutt at 3:39 PM on April 18, 2006
I'm finishing up Richard Morgan's Altered Carbon. Ground-breaking cyberpunk fiction, or a William Gibson rip-off? Discuss.
posted by bardic at 3:44 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by bardic at 3:44 PM on April 18, 2006
I got vertigo trying to figure this all out from the top down, damn you!
posted by tiamat at 3:50 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by tiamat at 3:50 PM on April 18, 2006
This is why we can't have nice things.
posted by eyeballkid at 3:53 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by eyeballkid at 3:53 PM on April 18, 2006
I'm finishing up Richard Morgan's Altered Carbon. Ground-breaking cyberpunk fiction, or a William Gibson rip-off? Discuss.
I just finished Children of Dune. I wish I could track down the guy who told me to stop at the third book and punch him in the face, because now I wish I had stopped at the second.
posted by Ryvar at 3:54 PM on April 18, 2006
I just finished Children of Dune. I wish I could track down the guy who told me to stop at the third book and punch him in the face, because now I wish I had stopped at the second.
posted by Ryvar at 3:54 PM on April 18, 2006
I really hate the phrase "seeing as". Why not just use "since"?
posted by Eideteker at 3:55 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by Eideteker at 3:55 PM on April 18, 2006
I wish I could track down the guy who told me to stop at the third book and punch him in the face, because now I wish I had stopped at the second.
So fucking true.
posted by eyeballkid at 3:56 PM on April 18, 2006
So fucking true.
posted by eyeballkid at 3:56 PM on April 18, 2006
five fresh fish : "But when cockamamie lunacy is brought into our home turf we must deal with it in situ."
I only read the first 70 or 80 comments, but I didn't see anyone bringing cockamamie lunacy into our own turf. Everyone was in agreement that creationism is stupid, and falling all over themselves to show just how much they agreed.
boo_radley : "Don't shoo people out of pools that don't belong to you, bugbread."
Sorry.
When I was in junior high school, I learned how to whistle in a way that sounded just like a coach whistle. One day, in gym, not particularly thinking of anything, I whistled when everyone was lined up for dodgeball. Everybody took off running, the coaches were in the middle and totally unprepared...it was chaos for a minute or two, and then the coaches stopped everybody, and found out it was I that whistled, and I got in hella trouble for it. I didn't mean to do something that came off as trying to be a coach, it was just an accident. So forget the pool thing, it was just a poorly phrased suggestion, not an attempt at giving an order or anything.
posted by Bugbread at 4:00 PM on April 18, 2006
I only read the first 70 or 80 comments, but I didn't see anyone bringing cockamamie lunacy into our own turf. Everyone was in agreement that creationism is stupid, and falling all over themselves to show just how much they agreed.
boo_radley : "Don't shoo people out of pools that don't belong to you, bugbread."
Sorry.
When I was in junior high school, I learned how to whistle in a way that sounded just like a coach whistle. One day, in gym, not particularly thinking of anything, I whistled when everyone was lined up for dodgeball. Everybody took off running, the coaches were in the middle and totally unprepared...it was chaos for a minute or two, and then the coaches stopped everybody, and found out it was I that whistled, and I got in hella trouble for it. I didn't mean to do something that came off as trying to be a coach, it was just an accident. So forget the pool thing, it was just a poorly phrased suggestion, not an attempt at giving an order or anything.
posted by Bugbread at 4:00 PM on April 18, 2006
Seriously, What. The. Fuck. was that in the last third with Leto? It's like Herbert got sick of writing the best political/religious/ecological novels I've seen in fiction, *period*, and had Larry Niven step in for the final third.
Now I like Niven, sure, but I sure as fuck don't read him for the same reasons I read Herbert.
posted by Ryvar at 4:03 PM on April 18, 2006
Now I like Niven, sure, but I sure as fuck don't read him for the same reasons I read Herbert.
posted by Ryvar at 4:03 PM on April 18, 2006
Regardless of how we feel about anything else, we can all draw upon our common hatred of Children of Dune.
posted by boo_radley at 4:07 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by boo_radley at 4:07 PM on April 18, 2006
Everyone was in agreement that creationism is stupid, and falling all over themselves to show just how much they agreed.
And this is a problem?
posted by funambulist at 4:11 PM on April 18, 2006
And this is a problem?
posted by funambulist at 4:11 PM on April 18, 2006
funambulist : "And this is a problem?"
Problem? No. I just personally find it a bit tiring. But, as I mentioned in the other thread, since it seldom bleeds out of the thread in question to other threads, it's easy to avoid, and not a problem. I just don't think it's as productive as some other folks apparently find it to be. More power to them, though.
posted by Bugbread at 4:14 PM on April 18, 2006
Problem? No. I just personally find it a bit tiring. But, as I mentioned in the other thread, since it seldom bleeds out of the thread in question to other threads, it's easy to avoid, and not a problem. I just don't think it's as productive as some other folks apparently find it to be. More power to them, though.
posted by Bugbread at 4:14 PM on April 18, 2006
cortex : "Y'all are retarded. Children of Dune was interesting."
Dude, we're totally going to have to open a MeTa thread on that statement.
posted by Bugbread at 4:24 PM on April 18, 2006
Dude, we're totally going to have to open a MeTa thread on that statement.
posted by Bugbread at 4:24 PM on April 18, 2006
Dude, we're totally going to have to open a MeTa thread on that statement.
i'm on it.
posted by keswick at 4:25 PM on April 18, 2006
i'm on it.
posted by keswick at 4:25 PM on April 18, 2006
: to terrorism
posted by blue_beetle at 4:25 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by blue_beetle at 4:25 PM on April 18, 2006
Past tense: "terrorismed"? "terrored"? "terroristed"?
posted by Bugbread at 4:27 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by Bugbread at 4:27 PM on April 18, 2006
a man on a stick stole my soul.
A goat on a pole stole my soul.
posted by I Love Tacos at 4:35 PM on April 18, 2006
A goat on a pole stole my soul.
posted by I Love Tacos at 4:35 PM on April 18, 2006
Oh, and Five Fresh Fish: awesome.
Fuck tolerance towards the lunatics, no matter their color or creed.
posted by I Love Tacos at 4:36 PM on April 18, 2006
Fuck tolerance towards the lunatics, no matter their color or creed.
posted by I Love Tacos at 4:36 PM on April 18, 2006
Oh, and Fuck Creed, too.
posted by I Love Tacos at 4:36 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by I Love Tacos at 4:36 PM on April 18, 2006
Asperger Syndrome or (Asperger's Disorder) is a neurobiological disorder named for a Viennese physician, Hans Asperger, who in 1944 published a paper which described a pattern of behaviors in several young boys who had normal intelligence and language development, but who also exhibited autistic-like behaviors and marked deficiencies in social and communication skills. In spite of the publication of his paper in the 1940's, it wasn't until 1994 that Asperger Syndrome was added to the DSM IV and only in the past few years has AS been recognized by professionals and parents.
Individuals with AS can exhibit a variety of characteristics and the disorder can range from mild to severe. Persons with AS show marked deficiencies in social skills, have difficulties with transitions or changes and prefer sameness. They often have obsessive routines and may be preoccupied with a particular subject of interest. They have a great deal of difficulty reading nonverbal cues (body language) and very often the individual with AS has difficulty determining proper body space. Often overly sensitive to sounds, tastes, smells, and sights, the person with AS may prefer soft clothing, certain foods, and be bothered by sounds or lights no one else seems to hear or see. It's important to remember that the person with AS perceives the world very differently. Therefore, many behaviors that seem odd or unusual are due to those neurological differences and not the result of intentional rudeness or bad behavior, and most certainly not the result of "improper parenting".
By definition, those with AS have a normal IQ and many individuals (although not all), exhibit exceptional skill or talent in a specific area. Because of their high degree of functionality and their naiveté, those with AS are often viewed as eccentric or odd and can easily become victims of teasing and bullying. While language development seems, on the surface, normal, individuals with AS often have deficits in pragmatics and prosody. Vocabularies may be extraordinarily rich and some children sound like "little professors." However, persons with AS can be extremely literal and have difficulty using language in a social context.
posted by Armitage Shanks at 4:38 PM on April 18, 2006
Individuals with AS can exhibit a variety of characteristics and the disorder can range from mild to severe. Persons with AS show marked deficiencies in social skills, have difficulties with transitions or changes and prefer sameness. They often have obsessive routines and may be preoccupied with a particular subject of interest. They have a great deal of difficulty reading nonverbal cues (body language) and very often the individual with AS has difficulty determining proper body space. Often overly sensitive to sounds, tastes, smells, and sights, the person with AS may prefer soft clothing, certain foods, and be bothered by sounds or lights no one else seems to hear or see. It's important to remember that the person with AS perceives the world very differently. Therefore, many behaviors that seem odd or unusual are due to those neurological differences and not the result of intentional rudeness or bad behavior, and most certainly not the result of "improper parenting".
By definition, those with AS have a normal IQ and many individuals (although not all), exhibit exceptional skill or talent in a specific area. Because of their high degree of functionality and their naiveté, those with AS are often viewed as eccentric or odd and can easily become victims of teasing and bullying. While language development seems, on the surface, normal, individuals with AS often have deficits in pragmatics and prosody. Vocabularies may be extraordinarily rich and some children sound like "little professors." However, persons with AS can be extremely literal and have difficulty using language in a social context.
posted by Armitage Shanks at 4:38 PM on April 18, 2006
Oh, and Fuck Creed, too.
Finally, Tacos can find common ground with dios.
posted by cortex at 4:45 PM on April 18, 2006
Finally, Tacos can find common ground with dios.
posted by cortex at 4:45 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by fire&wings at 4:48 PM on April 18, 2006
I don't know what you were trying to do, fire&wings, but all I see is that your "posted by" byline is way over to the left.
posted by Bugbread at 5:00 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by Bugbread at 5:00 PM on April 18, 2006
Trying to broadcast an Episode of Ren and Stimpy.
posted by fire&wings at 5:07 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by fire&wings at 5:07 PM on April 18, 2006
Works in live preview btw, very amusing.
posted by fire&wings at 5:07 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by fire&wings at 5:07 PM on April 18, 2006
boo_radley is just fucking around to the detriment of everyone, I know, but I'll just say it would seem he doesn't get what Metatalk is for if he's at all serious in starting this thread, while dios (though he may be wronger than a Chinese phone book (does that make sense? (no? OK, then))) apparently does.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 5:12 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 5:12 PM on April 18, 2006
I'm not really serious in starting this thread. But since you've asked, has there ever really been an effective ban on any particular class of post here? If we really did agree that we'd never talk about Children of Dune because we'd never be able to civilly discuss it, what happens when cortex dissents and posts a well-thought out, researched post for the blue about it?
There's less and less value to the definition of "we" and "community" as they grow, I guess, when there's no really guidelines for the growth beyond a loosely interpreted, loosely enforced "don't be a dick". Enough people can skirt the rule, and eventually people make grand, sweeping statements that start off "We obviously can't have respectful discussions" and then things just sort of fall apart.
posted by boo_radley at 5:34 PM on April 18, 2006
There's less and less value to the definition of "we" and "community" as they grow, I guess, when there's no really guidelines for the growth beyond a loosely interpreted, loosely enforced "don't be a dick". Enough people can skirt the rule, and eventually people make grand, sweeping statements that start off "We obviously can't have respectful discussions" and then things just sort of fall apart.
posted by boo_radley at 5:34 PM on April 18, 2006
We obviously can't have respectful discussions about respectful discussions about respectful discussions. Every time the topic comes up, the same insulting "discussion" about discussions about discussions occurs. Seeing as how no new information is ever presented in these topics, shouldn't they all be considered triple posts and deleted? When they are nothing more than another opportunity to display your disgust with someone who disagrees with you, what value do they add to the site?
I dare someone to start a new MeTa thread like this. I fucking dare you.
posted by Effigy2000 at 6:06 PM on April 18, 2006
I dare someone to start a new MeTa thread like this. I fucking dare you.
posted by Effigy2000 at 6:06 PM on April 18, 2006
I dare someone to start a new MeTa thread like this. I fucking dare you.
I daren't. I'm afraid I might die laughing if I did.
posted by Decani at 6:08 PM on April 18, 2006
I daren't. I'm afraid I might die laughing if I did.
posted by Decani at 6:08 PM on April 18, 2006
That rant was lame, should have kept the repetition of the "too much respect" phrase all the way through.
posted by Falconetti at 6:14 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by Falconetti at 6:14 PM on April 18, 2006
Testing...
posted by TimeFactor at 6:24 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by TimeFactor at 6:24 PM on April 18, 2006
Hmmm...
posted by TimeFactor at 6:25 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by TimeFactor at 6:25 PM on April 18, 2006
This thread is nowhere near as entertaining as the Cosette/Gene Pitney thingy.
Did anyone archive that before it got canned? I'd like to read it again. My life is without purpose, now that it is gone...
posted by WinnipegDragon at 6:31 PM on April 18, 2006
Did anyone archive that before it got canned? I'd like to read it again. My life is without purpose, now that it is gone...
posted by WinnipegDragon at 6:31 PM on April 18, 2006
On the next episode of MetaTalk:
Is bugbread really qualified to be a lifeguard? Does he have the best interests of the MetaFilter community in mind when he shouts from his perch - or does he just want to wear out key muscle groups directing us to and fro? Will he succumb to the charms of pool boy dios? Only time will tell...
*organ music*
posted by cog_nate at 7:07 PM on April 18, 2006
Is bugbread really qualified to be a lifeguard? Does he have the best interests of the MetaFilter community in mind when he shouts from his perch - or does he just want to wear out key muscle groups directing us to and fro? Will he succumb to the charms of pool boy dios? Only time will tell...
*organ music*
posted by cog_nate at 7:07 PM on April 18, 2006
Damn. I thought I was in the no organ pool.
posted by nebulawindphone at 7:15 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by nebulawindphone at 7:15 PM on April 18, 2006
Bunnypaste!
posted by The Great Big Mulp at 7:40 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by The Great Big Mulp at 7:40 PM on April 18, 2006
I'm not really serious in starting this thread. But since you've asked, has there ever really been an effective ban on any particular class of post here? ...
There have been short-lived blanket deletions (sort-of) of everything Israel/Palestine-related, and everything election-related, and everything Iraq-related, etc. but they don't last, and they sweep the good out with the bad, so sucked.
posted by amberglow at 7:51 PM on April 18, 2006
There have been short-lived blanket deletions (sort-of) of everything Israel/Palestine-related, and everything election-related, and everything Iraq-related, etc. but they don't last, and they sweep the good out with the bad, so sucked.
posted by amberglow at 7:51 PM on April 18, 2006
If you doubt respectful discussion is possible, how is it there are PYGMIES + DWARFS???
posted by darukaru at 8:01 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by darukaru at 8:01 PM on April 18, 2006
I'm currently reading God Emperor of Dune, and I'd like to say that those of you who think Children of Dune was awful have forgotten one very important thing:
So was Dune Messiah. And, as near as I'm able to discern, all the rest of them but the first one, too.
posted by shmegegge at 8:46 PM on April 18, 2006
So was Dune Messiah. And, as near as I'm able to discern, all the rest of them but the first one, too.
posted by shmegegge at 8:46 PM on April 18, 2006
near as I'm able to discern, all the rest of them but the first one, too.
Honestly, I really enjoyed the first four. There was a major problem with the end of Dune Messiah: Leto communicating psychically, WTF? But after that, and until Heretics of Dune, everything seems to me to be pretty coherent and consistent. Heretics and Chapterhouse, though -- bleh.
posted by cog_nate at 8:51 PM on April 18, 2006
Honestly, I really enjoyed the first four. There was a major problem with the end of Dune Messiah: Leto communicating psychically, WTF? But after that, and until Heretics of Dune, everything seems to me to be pretty coherent and consistent. Heretics and Chapterhouse, though -- bleh.
posted by cog_nate at 8:51 PM on April 18, 2006
It is by will alone, y'know, I set my mind in motion.
posted by moonbird at 9:00 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by moonbird at 9:00 PM on April 18, 2006
So was Dune Messiah. And, as near as I'm able to discern, all the rest of them but the first one, too.
And what was up with that Dune movie? It was like David Lynch was sitting around the house, thinking "Sting sure would look sexy in a chrome speedo. I should make a movie about that ... Now, if only there were a beloved sci-fi classic I could embarass in the process."
BTW, I only read Dune, which was fun but a bit ridiculous with the various classes of psychic supergeniuses. 'Well, of course, I predicted that you would predict that I would lay a trap for you here, and my Mentat calculated there'd be a 92% chance you'd be wearing chartreuse...' All in all, I liked his Whipping Star series better.
posted by boaz at 9:05 PM on April 18, 2006
And what was up with that Dune movie? It was like David Lynch was sitting around the house, thinking "Sting sure would look sexy in a chrome speedo. I should make a movie about that ... Now, if only there were a beloved sci-fi classic I could embarass in the process."
BTW, I only read Dune, which was fun but a bit ridiculous with the various classes of psychic supergeniuses. 'Well, of course, I predicted that you would predict that I would lay a trap for you here, and my Mentat calculated there'd be a 92% chance you'd be wearing chartreuse...' All in all, I liked his Whipping Star series better.
posted by boaz at 9:05 PM on April 18, 2006
I really enjoyed Dune Messiah. Sure, it lacked the action of the first, but the entire character of Scytale and the ending are both great. Could've used some Gurney Halleck, but his scenes in Children of Dune are one of the few redeeming bits.
posted by Ryvar at 10:05 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by Ryvar at 10:05 PM on April 18, 2006
A little bit more rant:
Another reason why "respect" is absolutely unnecessary when dealing with Creationists is that they are, almost to a man, wholly ignorant people. Few of them have received a broad and deep education that has challenged them to defend their opinions in an environment of high standards for factual proof, applied logic, statistical analysis, and philosophical grounding.
They are ignorant people so immensely ignorant that they do not realize they are ignorant. Bereft of even a surface understanding of the Big Ideas in science they inevitably misrepresent nearly the entirety of science as they offer themselves up as a contrary voice.
It is time to call to task our media for providing unqualified nincompoops an outlet for their gibbering spew. These malcontented throwbacks to the dark ages have nothing of value to contribute to our national and local dialogs.
Our future relies on the actions we take today. Should we be so foolish as to allow these cretinous rabblerousers access to our politics and our schools, we lose. Look at the areas of the world where extreme religionists have taken control of the culture and you see only poverty, war, intolerance, and hatred.
The ignorant do not deserve respect: they are our destruction, not our salvation.
posted by five fresh fish at 11:18 PM on April 18, 2006
Another reason why "respect" is absolutely unnecessary when dealing with Creationists is that they are, almost to a man, wholly ignorant people. Few of them have received a broad and deep education that has challenged them to defend their opinions in an environment of high standards for factual proof, applied logic, statistical analysis, and philosophical grounding.
They are ignorant people so immensely ignorant that they do not realize they are ignorant. Bereft of even a surface understanding of the Big Ideas in science they inevitably misrepresent nearly the entirety of science as they offer themselves up as a contrary voice.
It is time to call to task our media for providing unqualified nincompoops an outlet for their gibbering spew. These malcontented throwbacks to the dark ages have nothing of value to contribute to our national and local dialogs.
Our future relies on the actions we take today. Should we be so foolish as to allow these cretinous rabblerousers access to our politics and our schools, we lose. Look at the areas of the world where extreme religionists have taken control of the culture and you see only poverty, war, intolerance, and hatred.
The ignorant do not deserve respect: they are our destruction, not our salvation.
posted by five fresh fish at 11:18 PM on April 18, 2006
Preach a little more to the choir; I'm not sure the altos in the back heard all of that.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 11:20 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 11:20 PM on April 18, 2006
Castratos, you mean: if they had balls, we wouldn't be in this predicament to begin with.
posted by five fresh fish at 11:33 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by five fresh fish at 11:33 PM on April 18, 2006
Read Dune, enjoyed it, then couldn't get beyond it. I started the second and was bored to tears.
I... uh... really liked Lynch's Dune. It's not perfect, but... It's odd and fun... dang it.
Oh, and amen, FFF. This is preaching to the choir, though. Unless bevets in lurking.
posted by brundlefly at 11:42 PM on April 18, 2006
I... uh... really liked Lynch's Dune. It's not perfect, but... It's odd and fun... dang it.
Oh, and amen, FFF. This is preaching to the choir, though. Unless bevets in lurking.
posted by brundlefly at 11:42 PM on April 18, 2006
yes, but i'm having difficulty falling asleep, and i'm grumpy because i'm having difficulty getting freebsd to act as a printserver, so i'm taking it all out on those mettling assholes. i'm sick up to here [motions vaguely] with the religious trying to fuck over my freedoms, my future, and my culture. and so i rant in an appropriate meta thread.
posted by five fresh fish at 11:50 PM on April 18, 2006
posted by five fresh fish at 11:50 PM on April 18, 2006
A good deal of the pointless ranting in the world can be traced back to people struggling with computer problems.
I'm not sure what people did to get themselves in a truly pissy mood before the invention of the silicon chip.
posted by tkolar at 12:23 AM on April 19, 2006
I'm not sure what people did to get themselves in a truly pissy mood before the invention of the silicon chip.
posted by tkolar at 12:23 AM on April 19, 2006
God emperor was one of the biggest letdowns for me. I'd read the first three in the seventies and when GEoD came out there was a huge amount of hype since everyone had figured that it was a trilogy and no one expected a fourth book. I shelled out the money for the hard cover as soon as it was released and excitedly tore into it. And boy was I let down. Nothing happens in that book. Nothing. It's >500 pages of absolutely nothing.
posted by octothorpe at 4:17 AM on April 19, 2006
posted by octothorpe at 4:17 AM on April 19, 2006
Fuck FFF and all the idiots in this thread that love sucking his cock. Wheeee!
posted by Witty at 4:58 AM on April 19, 2006
posted by Witty at 4:58 AM on April 19, 2006
I don't like Dune.
posted by Captaintripps at 5:17 AM on April 19, 2006
posted by Captaintripps at 5:17 AM on April 19, 2006
This thread is nowhere near as entertaining as the Cosette/Gene Pitney thingy.
Did anyone archive that before it got canned? I'd like to read it again
Me too.
posted by languagehat at 5:52 AM on April 19, 2006
Did anyone archive that before it got canned? I'd like to read it again
Me too.
posted by languagehat at 5:52 AM on April 19, 2006
"This thread is nowhere near as entertaining as the Cosette/Gene Pitney thingy.
Did anyone archive that before it got canned? I'd like to read it again."
posted by OmieWise at 6:01 AM on April 19, 2006
Did anyone archive that before it got canned? I'd like to read it again."
posted by OmieWise at 6:01 AM on April 19, 2006
> those mettling assholes. i'm sick up to here [motions vaguely] with the religious trying to
> fuck over my freedoms, my future, and my culture.
Hallelujah, Hare Krishna, and shout Amen, brother! Imagine those smelly, untutored Sami and Yanomami and Yoruba and all the other spirit-cringers daring to contaminate the same plane of existence as the World's Most Militantly Enlightened Canadian®. And we would have got away with it, too, if it weren't for that mettling fish-guy with his high standards for factual proof, applied logic, statistical analysis, philosophical grounding, and madd freebsd skillz. Just to keep this on topic--I enjoyed Dune the First, figured it was meant to be complete in itself, never bothered with any of Herbert's crank-em-out sequels.
posted by jfuller at 6:04 AM on April 19, 2006
> fuck over my freedoms, my future, and my culture.
Hallelujah, Hare Krishna, and shout Amen, brother! Imagine those smelly, untutored Sami and Yanomami and Yoruba and all the other spirit-cringers daring to contaminate the same plane of existence as the World's Most Militantly Enlightened Canadian®. And we would have got away with it, too, if it weren't for that mettling fish-guy with his high standards for factual proof, applied logic, statistical analysis, philosophical grounding, and madd freebsd skillz. Just to keep this on topic--I enjoyed Dune the First, figured it was meant to be complete in itself, never bothered with any of Herbert's crank-em-out sequels.
posted by jfuller at 6:04 AM on April 19, 2006
Wow. I just read that Cosette thing, which I somehow missed when it was here. As I started the Gene Pitney thread, I am just so darn proud to have contributed, in some small way, to such a momentous event.
posted by Astro Zombie at 6:18 AM on April 19, 2006
posted by Astro Zombie at 6:18 AM on April 19, 2006
Fuck FFF and all the idiots in this thread that love sucking his cock. Wheeee!
Yet another top-quality comment. Insults and homophobic rhetoric. You're on a roll!
posted by wakko at 6:43 AM on April 19, 2006
Yet another top-quality comment. Insults and homophobic rhetoric. You're on a roll!
posted by wakko at 6:43 AM on April 19, 2006
Thank OmieWise. I flagged that post, but now upon it's deletion, I regret that action.
It was a cockbucket full of awesome.
posted by WinnipegDragon at 7:24 AM on April 19, 2006
It was a cockbucket full of awesome.
posted by WinnipegDragon at 7:24 AM on April 19, 2006
The series really went downhill after Electoral College of Dune.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 7:42 AM on April 19, 2006
posted by Kirth Gerson at 7:42 AM on April 19, 2006
Yet another top-quality comment. Insults and homophobic rhetoric.
I think you've proven that you don't have to be gay to be a good cocksucker.
posted by Witty at 8:02 AM on April 19, 2006
I think you've proven that you don't have to be gay to be a good cocksucker.
posted by Witty at 8:02 AM on April 19, 2006
Never mind Herbert's sequels, the stuff his kids wrote was pure awfulness. Ugh.
posted by boo_radley at 8:19 AM on April 19, 2006
posted by boo_radley at 8:19 AM on April 19, 2006
There is no better indicator that a thread has run its course than when ones of the Wittys shows up.
posted by Armitage Shanks at 8:31 AM on April 19, 2006
posted by Armitage Shanks at 8:31 AM on April 19, 2006
I think you've proven that you don't have to be gay to be a good cocksucker.
Is this the reason Matt keeps you around?
posted by wakko at 9:23 AM on April 19, 2006
Is this the reason Matt keeps you around?
posted by wakko at 9:23 AM on April 19, 2006
I liked my thread better when it was about dune and not about homophobic slurs.
posted by boo_radley at 9:47 AM on April 19, 2006
posted by boo_radley at 9:47 AM on April 19, 2006
I liked my thread better when it was about dune and not about homophobic slurs.
What can I say? Witty really, really loves cock. He just won't stop talking about it.
posted by wakko at 9:50 AM on April 19, 2006
boo_radley : "I liked my thread better when it was about dune and not about homophobic slurs."
Frank Herbert's "Dune" series concerns the queer planet of Arrakis, and the dense political and cultural intrigues within. It is a very serious series, quite unlike the cheery, gay adventure novels of early pulp science fiction. So settle down into your reading chair, pour a glass of brandy, light up a cigar or a fag, and settle down for some intense reading. Ass bandit.
posted by Bugbread at 9:52 AM on April 19, 2006
Frank Herbert's "Dune" series concerns the queer planet of Arrakis, and the dense political and cultural intrigues within. It is a very serious series, quite unlike the cheery, gay adventure novels of early pulp science fiction. So settle down into your reading chair, pour a glass of brandy, light up a cigar or a fag, and settle down for some intense reading. Ass bandit.
posted by Bugbread at 9:52 AM on April 19, 2006
I liked Chapterhouse Dune. Bollocks to you, haters.
posted by longbaugh at 10:07 AM on April 19, 2006
posted by longbaugh at 10:07 AM on April 19, 2006
We're done here, right?
posted by dash_slot- at 10:45 AM on April 19, 2006
posted by dash_slot- at 10:45 AM on April 19, 2006
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