Unregistered User callout August 17, 2006 11:45 AM Subscribe
You know, it would be nice if Unregistered User could exercise some restraint, and stop droppping screeds about the Iraq war and the Bush administration into every single thread. I don't necessarily have a problem with said ranting in the overtly political threads, although I personally don't like the style, but, come on, already.
q.v. And q.v. And q.v. If this isn't a case of Get Your Own Blog, I don't know what is.
q.v. And q.v. And q.v. If this isn't a case of Get Your Own Blog, I don't know what is.
scrump posted "I don't necessarily have a problem with said ranting in the overtly political threads, although I personally don't like the style, but, come on, already. "
You're saying the NSA wiretapping case isn't overtly political???
posted by orthogonality at 11:51 AM on August 17, 2006
You're saying the NSA wiretapping case isn't overtly political???
posted by orthogonality at 11:51 AM on August 17, 2006
Okay, I'm here, to be honest, I see with regards to your q.v.'s (at least the ones you make your case with) , they are no more burning than 98% of the snark on metafilter. I'm I wrong?
posted by Unregistered User at 11:53 AM on August 17, 2006
posted by Unregistered User at 11:53 AM on August 17, 2006
No, I'm saying that that comment was a full-on aluminary spectacular, complete with little creases so he can wear it facing fore-and-aft. I particularly enjoy the "YoYo Economy" shtick that he pulls out about every third comment.
UR has a habit of turning any thread he's in into a platform for The Stupid, and it's tedious. If I wanted to read this kind of stuff, I'd go to a blog.
Which is kind of my point, in its entirety. UR needs to get a blog. About five weeks ago.
posted by scrump at 11:55 AM on August 17, 2006 [1 favorite]
UR has a habit of turning any thread he's in into a platform for The Stupid, and it's tedious. If I wanted to read this kind of stuff, I'd go to a blog.
Which is kind of my point, in its entirety. UR needs to get a blog. About five weeks ago.
posted by scrump at 11:55 AM on August 17, 2006 [1 favorite]
And, for an illustrative example, contrast UR's most recent "contribution" to that thread with the comment immediately following it. One is a screed. The other is a comment. Can you identify which is which?
posted by scrump at 11:59 AM on August 17, 2006
posted by scrump at 11:59 AM on August 17, 2006
SKREEEEEEEED
posted by thirteenkiller at 12:01 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by thirteenkiller at 12:01 PM on August 17, 2006
^ see man, that's how snark ought to be done. Watch and learn.
posted by thirteenkiller at 12:01 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by thirteenkiller at 12:01 PM on August 17, 2006
"What can I do, Mac? He's an unregistered user, I have no jurisdiction, he's untouchable!"
"Tha's right, yew can't touch me! I gots diplomatic immunity fer my Democratic impunity!"
"Not from me, you don't!"
"Mac, no!"
[Scuffle ensues]
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 12:06 PM on August 17, 2006 [3 favorites]
"Tha's right, yew can't touch me! I gots diplomatic immunity fer my Democratic impunity!"
"Not from me, you don't!"
"Mac, no!"
[Scuffle ensues]
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 12:06 PM on August 17, 2006 [3 favorites]
So, will someone be so kind as to point to protocol?
I am not clear as to the specifics of being brought into metatalk, as the FAQ doesn't seem to have the difference between a "screed" and a comment.
posted by Unregistered User at 12:07 PM on August 17, 2006
I am not clear as to the specifics of being brought into metatalk, as the FAQ doesn't seem to have the difference between a "screed" and a comment.
posted by Unregistered User at 12:07 PM on August 17, 2006
Do you have like a list of things you just cut and paste?
posted by StrasbourgSecaucus at 12:10 PM on August 17, 2006 [1 favorite]
posted by StrasbourgSecaucus at 12:10 PM on August 17, 2006 [1 favorite]
UU, the main problem is not that your posts are over-snarky, but that they are derails. Look back at the examples posted and ask yourself whether they are really tied to the subject matter of the threads. The problem is exacerbated when the derailing comment consumes a screenful of text.
Just try to be more concise and on point. Passionate posts are welcome, but many of your comments are just coming across as random rants.
posted by brain_drain at 12:10 PM on August 17, 2006
Just try to be more concise and on point. Passionate posts are welcome, but many of your comments are just coming across as random rants.
posted by brain_drain at 12:10 PM on August 17, 2006
they are no more burning than 98% of the snark on metafilter. I'm I wrong?
I guess my question would be, do you post comments that are NOT of the "drop a bomb into a thread which gets everyone pissed off at you" variety? The stuff I see you writing is mostly this sort of histrionic OMGBUSH sort of commentary which doesn't contribute much to the discussion and just gets people snarking back at you. Just because you can get your snark up to the level of MeFi snark doesn't mean you shouldn't have something else to offer. Pretty much everyone else does.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 12:11 PM on August 17, 2006
I guess my question would be, do you post comments that are NOT of the "drop a bomb into a thread which gets everyone pissed off at you" variety? The stuff I see you writing is mostly this sort of histrionic OMGBUSH sort of commentary which doesn't contribute much to the discussion and just gets people snarking back at you. Just because you can get your snark up to the level of MeFi snark doesn't mean you shouldn't have something else to offer. Pretty much everyone else does.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 12:11 PM on August 17, 2006
Well, if I'd knowed this was gonna be a snark competition, I'd have stuck mah di...nevermind.
Although I welcome the arrival of jonmc and others to show us how snark is really really done.
Fuck it, I didn't want my first callout to be productive anyway.
posted by scrump at 12:11 PM on August 17, 2006
Although I welcome the arrival of jonmc and others to show us how snark is really really done.
Fuck it, I didn't want my first callout to be productive anyway.
posted by scrump at 12:11 PM on August 17, 2006
Another example of why sock puppets are bad and should be addressed.
posted by dios at 12:13 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by dios at 12:13 PM on August 17, 2006
I get where you're coming from, Unregistered User, but sometimes I'm not even sure if what you're writing relates to the discussed topic at hand in the thread. Mostly, it just looks like a text dump from indymedia or something. It's as if an FPP could somewhat possibly be political and then *bam!* - there's Unregistered User with a gigantic post throwing around vitriol. I'd rather see you a bit more economical and tempered. Then again, I tend to not read long, rambling diatribes, so I may be missing something.
posted by NationalKato at 12:15 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by NationalKato at 12:15 PM on August 17, 2006
I came for the screeds, but stayed for the conspiracy theories.
posted by LarryC at 12:15 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by LarryC at 12:15 PM on August 17, 2006
I have been using Mondo Meta in an attempt to get rid of the majority of the Bush/Iraq posts. It is a wonderous thing.
posted by weretable and the undead chairs at 12:18 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by weretable and the undead chairs at 12:18 PM on August 17, 2006
So I see, metatalk is geared more to piling on instead of constructive crit. Thanks to those whom have expressed their
regarded advice. I will think about it. It is not my intent to be a
sock puppet, ranting conspiracy theorist derailer.
posted by Unregistered User at 12:23 PM on August 17, 2006
regarded advice. I will think about it. It is not my intent to be a
sock puppet, ranting conspiracy theorist derailer.
posted by Unregistered User at 12:23 PM on August 17, 2006
So I see, metatalk is geared more to piling on instead of constructive crit.This is not your own personal therapy forum.
posted by scrump at 12:34 PM on August 17, 2006
UU, just turn that frown upside down. Change all of your nutty left-wing screeds to hateful right-wing ones, and not only will you get to stay here, a bunch of people will rush to your aid whenever you're brought into MeTa so that they can feel wise and judicious. I highly recommend it.
posted by Optimus Chyme at 12:34 PM on August 17, 2006 [1 favorite]
posted by Optimus Chyme at 12:34 PM on August 17, 2006 [1 favorite]
Oh, hey, dios.
posted by Optimus Chyme at 12:34 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by Optimus Chyme at 12:34 PM on August 17, 2006
So I see, metatalk is geared more to piling on instead of constructive crit.
YES, thank you for understanding... YOU CLOD!
posted by sonofsamiam at 12:36 PM on August 17, 2006
YES, thank you for understanding... YOU CLOD!
posted by sonofsamiam at 12:36 PM on August 17, 2006
I'd say they are less screeds then jeremiads, and, at best, philippics.
posted by Astro Zombie at 12:36 PM on August 17, 2006 [1 favorite]
posted by Astro Zombie at 12:36 PM on August 17, 2006 [1 favorite]
Awesome. I've totally been jonesing for a flameout for days.
posted by GuyZero at 12:37 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by GuyZero at 12:37 PM on August 17, 2006
/fans flames
posted by sonofsamiam at 12:38 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by sonofsamiam at 12:38 PM on August 17, 2006
I'm trying to come up with a "q.v., see?" joke. Trying and failing.
posted by cortex at 12:39 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by cortex at 12:39 PM on August 17, 2006
Oh and re: this, where are these places where conspiracy theories have positive connotations? There are lots of people who would like to go there.
posted by GuyZero at 12:40 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by GuyZero at 12:40 PM on August 17, 2006
Huh, maybe he's not a sockpuppet.
Unregistered User, a lot of your posts and comments on Metafilter come across as overly aggressive and hysterical. The majority of people here agree that Bush is a jerk and our society is going to hell or whatever; we just don't need/want to be reminded at every opportunity. Maybe try to lighten up a little and work more at participating in conversation. Your "snark" really does stand out because it's so pervasive and intrusive.
posted by thirteenkiller at 12:42 PM on August 17, 2006
Unregistered User, a lot of your posts and comments on Metafilter come across as overly aggressive and hysterical. The majority of people here agree that Bush is a jerk and our society is going to hell or whatever; we just don't need/want to be reminded at every opportunity. Maybe try to lighten up a little and work more at participating in conversation. Your "snark" really does stand out because it's so pervasive and intrusive.
posted by thirteenkiller at 12:42 PM on August 17, 2006
I always take its posts to be opportunities to use the derail and noise flags. I read every once in a while hoping there will be a real contribution somewhere, but there isn't. Just the same tired crutch over and over again.
posted by Captaintripps at 12:46 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by Captaintripps at 12:46 PM on August 17, 2006
Yeah, ease up Terminator. You sound like that guy in class the teacher stops calling on because he says the exact same thing. Just ease up on the hyperbolizing. You know when CNN does coverage on a backpack being left in a building somewhere and they have a dozen terror experts and each gives a worst-case scenerio and the backpack ends up having an iPod and some schoolbooks in it? You're kind of like CNN in that respect. But fear not, Metafilter is as American it gets and not only can you recover you can be really popular. People will remember you as that guy who was once over the top and then got suddenly sane. See you're name is already recognizeable, you'll be an in-joke and everything. Just don't get defensive here, or someone will start posting pictures of elephants pooping.
posted by geoff. at 12:49 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by geoff. at 12:49 PM on August 17, 2006
If I weren't feeling stingy, I would totally register "tired crutch" as a sock puppet right now and comment.
posted by Astro Zombie at 12:50 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by Astro Zombie at 12:50 PM on August 17, 2006
I'd say they are less screeds then jeremiads, and, at best, philippics.I been
Astro Zombied,
orthogonalitied,
samiamed and
Strasbourgologized.
I been mathowied and jessamyned
'till I'm blind...
posted by scrump at 12:50 PM on August 17, 2006 [1 favorite]
I been
Astro Zombied,
orthogonalitied,
samiamed and
Strasbourgologized.
I been mathowied and jessamyned
'till I'm blind...
but you never did The Kenosha, kid.
posted by kenoshakid at 12:57 PM on August 17, 2006
Astro Zombied,
orthogonalitied,
samiamed and
Strasbourgologized.
I been mathowied and jessamyned
'till I'm blind...
but you never did The Kenosha, kid.
posted by kenoshakid at 12:57 PM on August 17, 2006
STOP CALLING PEOPLE SOCK PUPPETS FOR NO REASON, please.
posted by If I Had An Anus at 1:18 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by If I Had An Anus at 1:18 PM on August 17, 2006
'UU, just turn that frown upside down. Change all of your nutty left-wing screeds to hateful right-wing ones, and not only will you get to stay here, a bunch of people will rush to your aid whenever you're brought into MeTa so that they can feel wise and judicious. I highly recommend it."
This comment is a specific example of the general faux pas being discussed. OC drops a variation of this complaint into a large portion of MeTa threads. Not unlike dios's ever-present anti-sock-puppet complaint, which doesn't belong in this thread unlike he has can prove there's good reason to think UR is a sock-puppet. But I'm guessing he probably doesn't, I'm beginning to think that dios thinks every third account is a sock-puppet. I'm sympathetic to his POV, but this is excessive and paranoid.
Whenever it comes to be the case, either in MeFi or MeTa, that it's common for people to read a comment, check the username, and think to themselves "oh, there's so-and-so beating his/her dead horse again in a thread where it doesn't really belong" then there's a problem. Some people make every MeFi thread about Bush, Iraq, Global Warning, or MeFi's Bias. Some people make every MeTa thread about MeFi's Bias, Dios, or NewsFilter. They shouldn't.
I don't agree with scrump that UR's stuff is classic GYOBFW. I think that first and foremost applies to posts that are agenda-driven and excessive. That's not what posting to MeFi is supposed to be like. But commenting on MeFi is supposed to be discussing and advocating their positions on things. Perhaps when it gets out-of-hand and, as is being argued here, it's comment after comment which is agenda-driven on a single issue and is often inappropriate to the thread, then maybe it's approaching the GYOBFW territory.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 1:18 PM on August 17, 2006
This comment is a specific example of the general faux pas being discussed. OC drops a variation of this complaint into a large portion of MeTa threads. Not unlike dios's ever-present anti-sock-puppet complaint, which doesn't belong in this thread unlike he has can prove there's good reason to think UR is a sock-puppet. But I'm guessing he probably doesn't, I'm beginning to think that dios thinks every third account is a sock-puppet. I'm sympathetic to his POV, but this is excessive and paranoid.
Whenever it comes to be the case, either in MeFi or MeTa, that it's common for people to read a comment, check the username, and think to themselves "oh, there's so-and-so beating his/her dead horse again in a thread where it doesn't really belong" then there's a problem. Some people make every MeFi thread about Bush, Iraq, Global Warning, or MeFi's Bias. Some people make every MeTa thread about MeFi's Bias, Dios, or NewsFilter. They shouldn't.
I don't agree with scrump that UR's stuff is classic GYOBFW. I think that first and foremost applies to posts that are agenda-driven and excessive. That's not what posting to MeFi is supposed to be like. But commenting on MeFi is supposed to be discussing and advocating their positions on things. Perhaps when it gets out-of-hand and, as is being argued here, it's comment after comment which is agenda-driven on a single issue and is often inappropriate to the thread, then maybe it's approaching the GYOBFW territory.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 1:18 PM on August 17, 2006
Perhaps when it gets out-of-hand and, as is being argued here, it's comment after comment which is agenda-driven on a single issue and is often inappropriate to the thread, then maybe it's approaching the GYOBFW territory.Fair enough.
posted by scrump at 1:20 PM on August 17, 2006
This comment is a specific example of the general faux pas being discussed. OC drops a variation of this complaint into a large portion of MeTa threads.
jonmc: i like king of queens wanna fight about it
oc: iokiyar
dios: one by one the sock puppets are stealing my sanity
eb:
It takes all kinds.
posted by Optimus Chyme at 1:29 PM on August 17, 2006
jonmc: i like king of queens wanna fight about it
oc: iokiyar
dios: one by one the sock puppets are stealing my sanity
eb:
It takes all kinds.
posted by Optimus Chyme at 1:29 PM on August 17, 2006
Although I welcome the arrival of jonmc and others to show us how snark is really really done.
Leave me outta this handbag fight.
posted by jonmc at 1:30 PM on August 17, 2006
Leave me outta this handbag fight.
posted by jonmc at 1:30 PM on August 17, 2006
IIHAA: I wasn't calling him a sock puppet. I just seem to remember insomnia_lj getting a timeout or something and then a lot of insomnia_lj-like post/comments showing up with the Unregistered User ID. I could most definitely be wrong.
posted by Carbolic at 1:31 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by Carbolic at 1:31 PM on August 17, 2006
which doesn't belong in this thread unlike he has can prove there's good reason to think UR is a sock-puppet. But I'm guessing he probably doesn't, I'm beginning to think that dios thinks every third account is a sock-puppet.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 3:18 PM CST on August 17
I do have good reason to believe he is a sock-puppet. And I don't think every third user is a sock puppet. Just the obvious ones. It doesn't take much ability of perception to tell which usernames are sock-puppets.
We have new users all the time on this website, and it is very clear what new users behave like and what kind of names they choose. Because we have them, it makes it even easier to identify sock puppets.
His username, userpage, and the substance of his posting history leads one to the conclusion that he is the sockpuppet of a user here. But only Matt and Jessamyn can confirm that, and they seemed disinclined to do so. As such, I resign myself to not spending any more time on the user.
As to the other points you were making: I would disagree with you that my complaint about sock-puppets is "ever-present" and, honestly Ethereal Bligh, I expect more of you than such a lazy statement. I've discussed it in about a half-dozen threads that I can recall out of the almost 3k comments I've made on this website. Of course, you are a fair-minded guy, so I take your statement as an indication that I've mentioned the issue too much in the last couple days and will adjust accordingly. I just think you overstated the case and attacked its presentation instead of the merits of it, which seems at odds with your typical contribution to this site.
posted by dios at 1:33 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 3:18 PM CST on August 17
I do have good reason to believe he is a sock-puppet. And I don't think every third user is a sock puppet. Just the obvious ones. It doesn't take much ability of perception to tell which usernames are sock-puppets.
We have new users all the time on this website, and it is very clear what new users behave like and what kind of names they choose. Because we have them, it makes it even easier to identify sock puppets.
His username, userpage, and the substance of his posting history leads one to the conclusion that he is the sockpuppet of a user here. But only Matt and Jessamyn can confirm that, and they seemed disinclined to do so. As such, I resign myself to not spending any more time on the user.
As to the other points you were making: I would disagree with you that my complaint about sock-puppets is "ever-present" and, honestly Ethereal Bligh, I expect more of you than such a lazy statement. I've discussed it in about a half-dozen threads that I can recall out of the almost 3k comments I've made on this website. Of course, you are a fair-minded guy, so I take your statement as an indication that I've mentioned the issue too much in the last couple days and will adjust accordingly. I just think you overstated the case and attacked its presentation instead of the merits of it, which seems at odds with your typical contribution to this site.
posted by dios at 1:33 PM on August 17, 2006
Isn't UU the new ID for insomnia_lj?
Nah, insomnia at least had a decent command of the English language.
posted by Zozo at 1:34 PM on August 17, 2006
Nah, insomnia at least had a decent command of the English language.
posted by Zozo at 1:34 PM on August 17, 2006
And I don't think every third user is a sock puppet.
Well, that would explain where all my socks disappear to.
posted by jonmc at 1:36 PM on August 17, 2006
Well, that would explain where all my socks disappear to.
posted by jonmc at 1:36 PM on August 17, 2006
Wake me when the cock puppets show up.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 1:37 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by mr_crash_davis at 1:37 PM on August 17, 2006
The most interesting thing about this issue, to me, is the conflicting use of either UU or UR as a shorthand. UU is more arguably correct (the username is not "Un Registereduser", after all), and yet UR seems natural enough to me.
posted by cortex at 1:37 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by cortex at 1:37 PM on August 17, 2006
Oh, and dios, make up your mind re: sock-puppet vs. sock puppet tia kthxbi
posted by mr_crash_davis at 1:39 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by mr_crash_davis at 1:39 PM on August 17, 2006
cortex: haha, I was going to note that too, but wanted to see how long it would be before someone else did.
posted by sonofsamiam at 1:39 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by sonofsamiam at 1:39 PM on August 17, 2006
*misses*
posted by sonofsamiam at 1:42 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by sonofsamiam at 1:42 PM on August 17, 2006
UU FTW
posted by thirteenkiller at 1:45 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by thirteenkiller at 1:45 PM on August 17, 2006
I do have good reason to believe he is a sock-puppet.
Speaking as someone who agrees with you about sockpuppets: Either present your case or be silent. Insisting that you have secret, persuasive evidence about someone's guilt is every bit as cowardly as hiding behind a sockpuppet.
posted by cribcage at 1:56 PM on August 17, 2006
Speaking as someone who agrees with you about sockpuppets: Either present your case or be silent. Insisting that you have secret, persuasive evidence about someone's guilt is every bit as cowardly as hiding behind a sockpuppet.
posted by cribcage at 1:56 PM on August 17, 2006
"tia"? I see this around occasionally, but can't source it. Unless, of course, you're referencing the lovely Tia. Or maybe TIA. Or even TIA.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 1:59 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 1:59 PM on August 17, 2006
He's my favorite poster evah!
posted by Fidel Cashflow at 1:59 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by Fidel Cashflow at 1:59 PM on August 17, 2006
What if we just made him register? Would that make everyone happy?
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 2:01 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 2:01 PM on August 17, 2006
tia = thanks in advance
posted by sonofsamiam at 2:01 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by sonofsamiam at 2:01 PM on August 17, 2006
Which way to the bitch-fest?
Seriously tho, those long screeds gotta go. You sound way too shrill UU. Not doing your cause a whole lot of good with your wild flailing. Stay calm, cite sources, address the issues at hand.
posted by Mister_A at 2:02 PM on August 17, 2006
Seriously tho, those long screeds gotta go. You sound way too shrill UU. Not doing your cause a whole lot of good with your wild flailing. Stay calm, cite sources, address the issues at hand.
posted by Mister_A at 2:02 PM on August 17, 2006
Thanks, sonofsamiam. Kids these days, with their dots and their coms and their ROFLs...
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 2:08 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 2:08 PM on August 17, 2006
I don't think Unregistered User is anyone's sock puppet.
And yes his screeds are annoying.
posted by delmoi at 2:13 PM on August 17, 2006
And yes his screeds are annoying.
posted by delmoi at 2:13 PM on August 17, 2006
OC: defintely GYOBFW is my hobby-horse. But I'm pretty sure that I very rarely jump on it in threads that aren't specifically a criticism of a particular post. But, in the spirit of dios's assumption of goodwill, I'll take this as reminder to be more self-critical of my decicions to mention it.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 2:13 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 2:13 PM on August 17, 2006
You know, it would be nice if every user could exercise some restraint, but whaddya gonna do? Ironic that he's called out in a thread/post on free speech.
Do you guys have scroll buttons where you can scroll past stuff? Or that greasemonkey thing works I hear....
posted by Smedleyman at 2:36 PM on August 17, 2006
Do you guys have scroll buttons where you can scroll past stuff? Or that greasemonkey thing works I hear....
posted by Smedleyman at 2:36 PM on August 17, 2006
I, too, would like to live in a country and a world where the sort of things said by UU are not true. But I live in 'Bush & Sons Inc (formerly known as The United States of America)' and, astonishingly, they largely are true.
This thread gives the overwhelming impression that, also astonishingly, the 'liberals' of Metafilter are too weak and too meek to face that truth.
posted by jamjam at 2:36 PM on August 17, 2006
This thread gives the overwhelming impression that, also astonishingly, the 'liberals' of Metafilter are too weak and too meek to face that truth.
posted by jamjam at 2:36 PM on August 17, 2006
Metafilter: In the long run, we're all screed.
posted by Fupped Duck at 2:39 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by Fupped Duck at 2:39 PM on August 17, 2006
...
Apparently the 'liberals' of Metafilter are also too weak and too meek to face the truth about, say, the dangers of bird flu, or we'd be yakking at length about it at every perceived opportunity. Not to mention every other topic we ever collectively discourage folks from single-mindedly vamping about to an excessive degree.
In fact, I don't think it's hyperbole to stat that nn over-arching gestalt of weakness, meekness, and pseudo-liberalism is clearly the only thing that could explain the group reactions being bared in this thread regarding a specific user's singlemindedness on a topic-nonspecific website.
posted by cortex at 2:42 PM on August 17, 2006
Apparently the 'liberals' of Metafilter are also too weak and too meek to face the truth about, say, the dangers of bird flu, or we'd be yakking at length about it at every perceived opportunity. Not to mention every other topic we ever collectively discourage folks from single-mindedly vamping about to an excessive degree.
In fact, I don't think it's hyperbole to stat that nn over-arching gestalt of weakness, meekness, and pseudo-liberalism is clearly the only thing that could explain the group reactions being bared in this thread regarding a specific user's singlemindedness on a topic-nonspecific website.
posted by cortex at 2:42 PM on August 17, 2006
It's not always Bush bashing. Sometimes UU's comments are long, rambling...well, I don't know what the heck this was really about. But it's a doozy.
posted by Gamblor at 2:49 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by Gamblor at 2:49 PM on August 17, 2006
eb: 
It takes all kinds.
posted by Optimus Chyme at 4:29 PM EST on August 17 [+] [!]
i love it when optimus muffs an img.
posted by quonsar at 2:50 PM on August 17, 2006 [1 favorite]
It takes all kinds.
posted by Optimus Chyme at 4:29 PM EST on August 17 [+] [!]
i love it when optimus muffs an img.
posted by quonsar at 2:50 PM on August 17, 2006 [1 favorite]
over-arching gestalt of weakness, meekness, and pseudo-liberalism is clearly the only thing that could explain the group reactions being bared in this thread
Oh, gimme a break! Why don't you tell us which comments struck you as particularly pussified, you spartan, you.
posted by sonofsamiam at 2:52 PM on August 17, 2006
Oh, gimme a break! Why don't you tell us which comments struck you as particularly pussified, you spartan, you.
posted by sonofsamiam at 2:52 PM on August 17, 2006
I, too, would like to live in a country and a world where the sort of things said by UU are not true. But I live in 'Bush & Sons Inc (formerly known as The United States of America)' and, astonishingly, they largely are true.
This thread gives the overwhelming impression that, also astonishingly, the 'liberals' of Metafilter are too weak and too meek to face that truth.
Oh for fuck's fucking sake. Look up there where thirteenkiller says:
Unregistered User, a lot of your posts and comments on Metafilter come across as overly aggressive and hysterical. The majority of people here agree that Bush is a jerk and our society is going to hell or whatever; we just don't need/want to be reminded at every opportunity. Maybe try to lighten up a little and work more at participating in conversation. Your "snark" really does stand out because it's so pervasive and intrusive.
That's absolutely on target. If you think UU's repetitive bleats are somehow having an effect on the world at large, that every time he rants about EVIL BUSH the kleptocracy that's running the U.S. somehow comes that little bit closer to losing power, then I'd understand where you were coming from. I'd think you were a complete lunatic, but at least I'd understand. But no, apparently you just want to make this a free-fire zone for OMG BUSH rants because that makes you feel all warm and cozy. Wake up, citizen! Some of us are capable of having intense feelings about Bush & Co. even without having OMG BUSH dinned in our ear every minute by helpful MeFites!
posted by languagehat at 2:54 PM on August 17, 2006 [2 favorites]
This thread gives the overwhelming impression that, also astonishingly, the 'liberals' of Metafilter are too weak and too meek to face that truth.
Oh for fuck's fucking sake. Look up there where thirteenkiller says:
Unregistered User, a lot of your posts and comments on Metafilter come across as overly aggressive and hysterical. The majority of people here agree that Bush is a jerk and our society is going to hell or whatever; we just don't need/want to be reminded at every opportunity. Maybe try to lighten up a little and work more at participating in conversation. Your "snark" really does stand out because it's so pervasive and intrusive.
That's absolutely on target. If you think UU's repetitive bleats are somehow having an effect on the world at large, that every time he rants about EVIL BUSH the kleptocracy that's running the U.S. somehow comes that little bit closer to losing power, then I'd understand where you were coming from. I'd think you were a complete lunatic, but at least I'd understand. But no, apparently you just want to make this a free-fire zone for OMG BUSH rants because that makes you feel all warm and cozy. Wake up, citizen! Some of us are capable of having intense feelings about Bush & Co. even without having OMG BUSH dinned in our ear every minute by helpful MeFites!
posted by languagehat at 2:54 PM on August 17, 2006 [2 favorites]
And so it begins...
posted by blue_beetle at 3:00 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by blue_beetle at 3:00 PM on August 17, 2006
Some of us are capable of having intense feelings about Bush & Co. even without having OMG BUSH dinned in our ear every minute by helpful MeFites!Have my baby.
posted by scrump at 3:08 PM on August 17, 2006
UU, like many, labors mightily under the mistaken impression that somebody might actually change their mind about something here. There's a lot of 'xyz nails it' or 'what xyz said' or 'xyz beat me to it' or 'xyz wins' but you never read 'xyzs post on this topic changes my mind - I now think the exact opposite of what I did before.'
By the way, the two elephants thing? Cool whatever it means.
posted by scheptech at 3:17 PM on August 17, 2006
By the way, the two elephants thing? Cool whatever it means.
posted by scheptech at 3:17 PM on August 17, 2006
Wow, scheptech has completely changed my thinking on that elephant thing. I feel like a new woman.
posted by thirteenkiller at 3:18 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by thirteenkiller at 3:18 PM on August 17, 2006
i love it when optimus muffs an img.
posted by quonsar at 2:50 PM PST on August 17
the icing is the sad little frowny faces on the sides
posted by Optimus Chyme at 3:25 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by quonsar at 2:50 PM PST on August 17
the icing is the sad little frowny faces on the sides
posted by Optimus Chyme at 3:25 PM on August 17, 2006
you never read 'xyzs post on this topic changes my mind - I now think the exact opposite of what I did before
I am still on the fence about abortion.
posted by mischief at 3:28 PM on August 17, 2006
I am still on the fence about abortion.
posted by mischief at 3:28 PM on August 17, 2006
Oh, gimme a break!
You weren't taking that seriously, were you?
posted by cortex at 3:33 PM on August 17, 2006
You weren't taking that seriously, were you?
posted by cortex at 3:33 PM on August 17, 2006
god fucking forbid somebody here actually have some, like, political thoughts. that's so impolite.
less politics, less snark, and more YouTube links, that's the recipe for MeFi success
then we'll all be able to hold hands, all together, and shit ourselves in excitement every time Steve Jobs opens his mouth
posted by matteo at 3:33 PM on August 17, 2006
less politics, less snark, and more YouTube links, that's the recipe for MeFi success
then we'll all be able to hold hands, all together, and shit ourselves in excitement every time Steve Jobs opens his mouth
posted by matteo at 3:33 PM on August 17, 2006
Did you read any of the thread or are you just a dumbass?
posted by bob sarabia at 3:36 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by bob sarabia at 3:36 PM on August 17, 2006
It's not the politics. It's the incessant schrying gevault.
posted by kosem at 3:38 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by kosem at 3:38 PM on August 17, 2006
Careful with those straw men, matteo. They're flammable.
posted by brain_drain at 3:38 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by brain_drain at 3:38 PM on August 17, 2006
Oh and re: this, where are these places where conspiracy theories have positive connotations?
Free Republic and Democratic Underground, depending on the polarity of the theory.
posted by darukaru at 3:46 PM on August 17, 2006
Free Republic and Democratic Underground, depending on the polarity of the theory.
posted by darukaru at 3:46 PM on August 17, 2006
it's fine, the elephant will put them out.
someone go find fandango_matt, pronto
posted by spiderwire at 3:47 PM on August 17, 2006
someone go find fandango_matt, pronto
posted by spiderwire at 3:47 PM on August 17, 2006
less politics, less snark, and more YouTube links, that's the recipe for MeFi success
Hey, no banning the snark, the snark is the very essence, the precious bodily fluid... as it were.
posted by scheptech at 3:48 PM on August 17, 2006
Hey, no banning the snark, the snark is the very essence, the precious bodily fluid... as it were.
posted by scheptech at 3:48 PM on August 17, 2006
Here you go, mischief:
Abortion=Murder
Meat=Murder
Abortion=Meat
Meet the Beatles
Beetle Bailey
Bailey's Irish Cream
Fighting Irish
Five for Fighting
High Five
Fivel Mousekewitz
I'm at my wit's end
All's well that end's well
Well of Lost Souls
Salsbury Hill
Hill Street Blues
Blues Clues
Inspector Clouseau
So You Think You Can Dance?
Dance Dance Revolution
So you say you want a revolution? We all want to change the world
The world is my oyster
Blue Öyster Cult
Heaven's Gate Cult
Abortion=Heaven's Gate
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 3:48 PM on August 17, 2006 [2 favorites]
Abortion=Murder
Meat=Murder
Abortion=Meat
Meet the Beatles
Beetle Bailey
Bailey's Irish Cream
Fighting Irish
Five for Fighting
High Five
Fivel Mousekewitz
I'm at my wit's end
All's well that end's well
Well of Lost Souls
Salsbury Hill
Hill Street Blues
Blues Clues
Inspector Clouseau
So You Think You Can Dance?
Dance Dance Revolution
So you say you want a revolution? We all want to change the world
The world is my oyster
Blue Öyster Cult
Heaven's Gate Cult
Abortion=Heaven's Gate
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 3:48 PM on August 17, 2006 [2 favorites]
You weren't taking that seriously, were you?
erm, yes.
posted by sonofsamiam at 3:58 PM on August 17, 2006
erm, yes.
posted by sonofsamiam at 3:58 PM on August 17, 2006
Mom?
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 4:31 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 4:31 PM on August 17, 2006
erm, yes.
I was totally kidding. Going for incredibly unforgiving sarcastic overstatement.
posted by cortex at 4:31 PM on August 17, 2006
I was totally kidding. Going for incredibly unforgiving sarcastic overstatement.
posted by cortex at 4:31 PM on August 17, 2006
I can't speak for anyone else, but It's Raining Florence Henderson's word-association logic games always put me in the mood for some self-lovin'.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 4:32 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 4:32 PM on August 17, 2006
you never read 'xyzs post on this topic changes my mind - I now think the exact opposite of what I did before.'
Well not in those *exact* words, but yes, I have seen people admit to changing their minds about something based on someone else's comments. It doesn't happen often, but I get a secret thrill about it, because I think it's cool that occasionally persuasive argument and explanation wins the day. It's one of the reasons why I like this place.
posted by beth at 4:36 PM on August 17, 2006
Well not in those *exact* words, but yes, I have seen people admit to changing their minds about something based on someone else's comments. It doesn't happen often, but I get a secret thrill about it, because I think it's cool that occasionally persuasive argument and explanation wins the day. It's one of the reasons why I like this place.
posted by beth at 4:36 PM on August 17, 2006
mr_crash_davis writes "Wake me when the cock puppets show up."
Here you go (uh, NSFW).
posted by Mitheral at 4:39 PM on August 17, 2006
Here you go (uh, NSFW).
posted by Mitheral at 4:39 PM on August 17, 2006
"Unregistered User, a lot of your posts and comments on Metafilter come across as overly aggressive and hysterical."
*jumps up and down waving arms*
posted by ZachsMind at 4:45 PM on August 17, 2006
*jumps up and down waving arms*
posted by ZachsMind at 4:45 PM on August 17, 2006
What a coincidence, thirteenkiller - I feel like a new woman, too.
posted by yhbc at 5:35 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by yhbc at 5:35 PM on August 17, 2006
the icing is the sad little frowny faces on the sides
Full disclosure: this made me laugh. I'm not sure why. Skree and pathos, neocon armageddon.
posted by If I Had An Anus at 7:22 PM on August 17, 2006
Full disclosure: this made me laugh. I'm not sure why. Skree and pathos, neocon armageddon.
posted by If I Had An Anus at 7:22 PM on August 17, 2006
I think that all good, right thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that all good, right thinking people in this country are fed up with being told that all good, right thinking people in this country are fed up with being sick and tired. I'm certainly not, and I'm sick and tired of being told that I am!
posted by clevershark at 7:40 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by clevershark at 7:40 PM on August 17, 2006
Unregistered User is kind of cool. It's like he/she is a super-disciplined, ninja-like person trained to think about just two things ... Bush and the War on Terror. Anything else just doesn't cross his mind.
posted by jayder at 7:54 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by jayder at 7:54 PM on August 17, 2006
So has MeTa become the official forum for complaining about other users?
posted by clevershark at 8:04 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by clevershark at 8:04 PM on August 17, 2006
I feel like a new woman.
Me too, but I'm lazy, so I'll stick with the one I have now.
posted by dg at 8:13 PM on August 17, 2006
Me too, but I'm lazy, so I'll stick with the one I have now.
posted by dg at 8:13 PM on August 17, 2006
I've been told I excel at snark, do a degree that mortals should not reach.
However, the rule I try (and fail) to post by is "Don't make this place a worse place". Perhaps UR could write that on his palm and go masturbate furiously.
posted by Kickstart70 at 9:12 PM on August 17, 2006
However, the rule I try (and fail) to post by is "Don't make this place a worse place". Perhaps UR could write that on his palm and go masturbate furiously.
posted by Kickstart70 at 9:12 PM on August 17, 2006
Unfortunately, I can't use the right consonants at the right time.
do=to
KS
posted by Kickstart70 at 9:13 PM on August 17, 2006
do=to
KS
posted by Kickstart70 at 9:13 PM on August 17, 2006
I am a bit ambivalent on one hand this has been quite embarassing, hanks for the , on the other, I hope that you all feel as if you have had a great catharsis. And way to go on your first "call out" scrump, had you e-mailed me or taken me aside, I would have much more appreciated this experience. However, it is what it is, concordia discors.
posted by Unregistered User at 9:20 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by Unregistered User at 9:20 PM on August 17, 2006
It was really hot the other day. Really fucking hot. I felt like I was melting.
A friend of mine kept talking about how it was hot. That's all he'd talk about. "It's hot. It's so hot. Goddamn, it's hot." I'd say, "Hey, Tsutomu, have you seen that new building they're working on over by the station?" and he'd say "No. And I'm not going to go check it out now, because it's just too damn hot. You know, Mike, it's really fucking hot today" and then he continued on for another 10 minutes about how hot it was.
This annoyed me, obviously, not because it was needless repetition of something I already thought, but because I was too meek and weak to face the truth that it was hot, and because having an opinion about the temperature was impolite. If I were a strong man, I would find incessant repetition of the truth to be really interesting. I could discuss how hot it was from morning till night, every day, which would be far more interesting than taking a walk, seeing an art exhibition, playing some music, learning some history, studying a foreign language, or the like. A strong willed, aware person realizes that the best thing in life is to repeat, over and over without break, the current temperature outside, like a rosary.
posted by Bugbread at 9:29 PM on August 17, 2006 [7 favorites]
A friend of mine kept talking about how it was hot. That's all he'd talk about. "It's hot. It's so hot. Goddamn, it's hot." I'd say, "Hey, Tsutomu, have you seen that new building they're working on over by the station?" and he'd say "No. And I'm not going to go check it out now, because it's just too damn hot. You know, Mike, it's really fucking hot today" and then he continued on for another 10 minutes about how hot it was.
This annoyed me, obviously, not because it was needless repetition of something I already thought, but because I was too meek and weak to face the truth that it was hot, and because having an opinion about the temperature was impolite. If I were a strong man, I would find incessant repetition of the truth to be really interesting. I could discuss how hot it was from morning till night, every day, which would be far more interesting than taking a walk, seeing an art exhibition, playing some music, learning some history, studying a foreign language, or the like. A strong willed, aware person realizes that the best thing in life is to repeat, over and over without break, the current temperature outside, like a rosary.
posted by Bugbread at 9:29 PM on August 17, 2006 [7 favorites]
That was hawt, bugbread.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 9:34 PM on August 17, 2006
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 9:34 PM on August 17, 2006
god fucking forbid somebody here actually have some, like, weather thoughts. that's so impolite.
less weather, less snark, and more YouTube links, that's the recipe for MeFi success
then we'll all be able to hold hands, all together, and shit ourselves in excitement every time Steve Jobs opens his mouth
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 9:53 PM on August 17, 2006
less weather, less snark, and more YouTube links, that's the recipe for MeFi success
then we'll all be able to hold hands, all together, and shit ourselves in excitement every time Steve Jobs opens his mouth
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 9:53 PM on August 17, 2006
"Like a rosary." Glad I didn't have a mouthful of water.
Way to end on a high note, dude.
posted by cribcage at 10:04 PM on August 17, 2006
Way to end on a high note, dude.
posted by cribcage at 10:04 PM on August 17, 2006
hanmx --- thanks, mitheral, for the cockpuppetry link, which made my fingertips a bit... moist. I'll recommend it to my Marriage Circle at church.
And, yes, UnUs is a tiresome crank who should get an editor.
What if I don't want bugbread at all? Hot or otherwise? Is this a hazing ritual?
(Nothing personal, bugbread.)
posted by vetiver at 10:07 PM on August 17, 2006
And, yes, UnUs is a tiresome crank who should get an editor.
What if I don't want bugbread at all? Hot or otherwise? Is this a hazing ritual?
(Nothing personal, bugbread.)
posted by vetiver at 10:07 PM on August 17, 2006
I am a bit ambivalent
Dude, just stop treating us like morons who need your furious enlightenment and start conversing like a human being. Simple, really.
posted by mediareport at 10:57 PM on August 17, 2006 [1 favorite]
Dude, just stop treating us like morons who need your furious enlightenment and start conversing like a human being. Simple, really.
posted by mediareport at 10:57 PM on August 17, 2006 [1 favorite]
Isn't UU the new ID for insomnia_lj?
No silly, if it is a sock, it's Troutfishing. UU shows up a few weeks after Trout's last post (and banning?). But I don't think it's a sock, just a similar mindset.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 5:22 AM on August 18, 2006
No silly, if it is a sock, it's Troutfishing. UU shows up a few weeks after Trout's last post (and banning?). But I don't think it's a sock, just a similar mindset.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 5:22 AM on August 18, 2006
And, yes, UnUs is ...
UnAnus. Think about it.
posted by If I Had An Anus at 5:26 AM on August 18, 2006
UnAnus. Think about it.
posted by If I Had An Anus at 5:26 AM on August 18, 2006
god fucking forbid somebody here actually have some, like, political thoughts. that's so impolite.
yeah, because there's a real, y'know, shortage of political talk around here. Gimme a five-cent break. Telling a one-track axegringder to give it a rest does not equal repression.
posted by jonmc at 7:36 AM on August 18, 2006
yeah, because there's a real, y'know, shortage of political talk around here. Gimme a five-cent break. Telling a one-track axegringder to give it a rest does not equal repression.
posted by jonmc at 7:36 AM on August 18, 2006
I only watch TV shows that demonstrate how intelligent and sophisticated I am.
posted by Optimus Chyme at 8:57 AM on August 18, 2006
posted by Optimus Chyme at 8:57 AM on August 18, 2006
Leave me outta this handbag fight. - jonmc
oooh, insult them by implying that they are women or have womanly habits and/or characteristics. How biting, how cutting edge.
posted by raedyn at 9:27 AM on August 18, 2006
oooh, insult them by implying that they are women or have womanly habits and/or characteristics. How biting, how cutting edge.
posted by raedyn at 9:27 AM on August 18, 2006
ooh, crack on the misogynistic framing of someone's snark and belittle them for the Leno-esque lameness of it! Way to go! You're really above it all!
how very "new comedy" of you.
posted by sonofsamiam at 9:37 AM on August 18, 2006
how very "new comedy" of you.
posted by sonofsamiam at 9:37 AM on August 18, 2006
UnAnus
This would be an excellent ad concept for a "recovering homosexual" camp.
Tried a vagina lately? It's the UnAnus.
posted by sonofsamiam at 9:40 AM on August 18, 2006 [1 favorite]
This would be an excellent ad concept for a "recovering homosexual" camp.
Tried a vagina lately? It's the UnAnus.
posted by sonofsamiam at 9:40 AM on August 18, 2006 [1 favorite]
Surely he would've said "manbag" then?
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 9:43 AM on August 18, 2006
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 9:43 AM on August 18, 2006
good lord, you people are sensitive today.
Nurse! Their meds are wearing off!
posted by jonmc at 9:44 AM on August 18, 2006
Nurse! Their meds are wearing off!
posted by jonmc at 9:44 AM on August 18, 2006
Wow, don't any of you people have jobs or anything? I mean, I don't, but even I'm not posting here all hours of the morning. Because I don't get up until noon. You know, because of the job thing...
Also, I'm a cockpuppet, a screed, and a manbagger. And I'd be proud of all of it, if it wasn't for the job thing.
posted by Dunwitty at 10:10 AM on August 18, 2006
Also, I'm a cockpuppet, a screed, and a manbagger. And I'd be proud of all of it, if it wasn't for the job thing.
posted by Dunwitty at 10:10 AM on August 18, 2006
Hand or blow?
posted by InfidelZombie at 10:28 AM on August 18, 2006
posted by InfidelZombie at 10:28 AM on August 18, 2006
Wow, don't any of you people have jobs or anything?
Actually, some of us do. And that is exactly why I'm here. Next question?
posted by jmd82 at 10:48 AM on August 18, 2006
Actually, some of us do. And that is exactly why I'm here. Next question?
posted by jmd82 at 10:48 AM on August 18, 2006
Wow, don't any of you people have jobs or anything?
I post more now that I have a job. Definitely more in the morning.
posted by thirteenkiller at 10:49 AM on August 18, 2006
I post more now that I have a job. Definitely more in the morning.
posted by thirteenkiller at 10:49 AM on August 18, 2006
Alright languagehat, fair enough; I take your excellent points.
I've been looking over UU's posts, an activity I recommend for its bracing effect, and I think his use of language is, in a narrow technical sense, actually rather inspired: it is pyrotechnic, metaphor rich, spirit driven, and so deeply felt it's embarrassing simply to read -- it's the sort of thing you might get from a fiery preacher on a really good day. This would be a rare exotic in anyone's little patch; on MetaFilter, coming from the left, it is singular. Only Klangklangston's, in my memory, matches it for force, and Klang's lacks (doubtless by choice) the 'high seriousness' which seems native to UU. Instead of attempting to extirpate, we should be encouraging this kind of language, this kind of thinking from the source of all passion and belief.
The left has blundered greatly in ceding peculiarly religious passion to the evangelical right. The US and the world will not be transformed by sensible people like us getting together to pool our sensibleness and send the viscous, bland, unsalted oatmeal grey tide sweeping across the planet; it will, if it will, by something a lot more like what UU is trying to do.
So, UU, I think you have a talent, a talent of the sort it used to be said was "death to hide." If you continue to try to cultivate it here, and it could profit from that, I believe, I will be paying close attention.
posted by jamjam at 11:29 AM on August 18, 2006
I've been looking over UU's posts, an activity I recommend for its bracing effect, and I think his use of language is, in a narrow technical sense, actually rather inspired: it is pyrotechnic, metaphor rich, spirit driven, and so deeply felt it's embarrassing simply to read -- it's the sort of thing you might get from a fiery preacher on a really good day. This would be a rare exotic in anyone's little patch; on MetaFilter, coming from the left, it is singular. Only Klangklangston's, in my memory, matches it for force, and Klang's lacks (doubtless by choice) the 'high seriousness' which seems native to UU. Instead of attempting to extirpate, we should be encouraging this kind of language, this kind of thinking from the source of all passion and belief.
The left has blundered greatly in ceding peculiarly religious passion to the evangelical right. The US and the world will not be transformed by sensible people like us getting together to pool our sensibleness and send the viscous, bland, unsalted oatmeal grey tide sweeping across the planet; it will, if it will, by something a lot more like what UU is trying to do.
So, UU, I think you have a talent, a talent of the sort it used to be said was "death to hide." If you continue to try to cultivate it here, and it could profit from that, I believe, I will be paying close attention.
posted by jamjam at 11:29 AM on August 18, 2006
Comrades, we have now come to the question of the revolutionary crisis as the basis of our revolutionary action. And here we must first of all note two widespread errors. On the one hand, bourgeois economists depict this crisis simply as “unrest”, to use the elegant expression of the British. On the other hand, revolutionaries sometimes try to prove that the crisis is absolutely insoluble.
This is a mistake. There is no such thing as an absolutely hopeless situation. The bourgeoisie are behaving like barefaced plunderers who have lost their heads; they are committing folly after folly, thus aggravating the situation and hastening their doom. All that is true. But nobody can “prove” that it is absolutely impossible for them to pacify a minority of the exploited with some petty concessions, and suppress some movement or uprising of some section of the oppressed and exploited. To try to “prove” in advance that there is “absolutely” no way out of the situation would be sheer pedantry, or playing with concepts and catchwords. Practice alone can serve as real “proof” in this and similar questions. All over the world, the bourgeois system is experiencing a tremendous revolutionary crisis. The revolutionary parties must now “prove” in practice that they have sufficient understanding and organisation, contact with the exploited masses, and determination and skill to utilise this crisis for a successful, a victorious revolution.
posted by languagehat at 11:38 AM on August 18, 2006
This is a mistake. There is no such thing as an absolutely hopeless situation. The bourgeoisie are behaving like barefaced plunderers who have lost their heads; they are committing folly after folly, thus aggravating the situation and hastening their doom. All that is true. But nobody can “prove” that it is absolutely impossible for them to pacify a minority of the exploited with some petty concessions, and suppress some movement or uprising of some section of the oppressed and exploited. To try to “prove” in advance that there is “absolutely” no way out of the situation would be sheer pedantry, or playing with concepts and catchwords. Practice alone can serve as real “proof” in this and similar questions. All over the world, the bourgeois system is experiencing a tremendous revolutionary crisis. The revolutionary parties must now “prove” in practice that they have sufficient understanding and organisation, contact with the exploited masses, and determination and skill to utilise this crisis for a successful, a victorious revolution.
posted by languagehat at 11:38 AM on August 18, 2006
Whenever people post gigantic blocks of bold, yellow text, I always make sure to read the whole thing because I know it's really important.
posted by cribcage at 2:14 PM on August 18, 2006
posted by cribcage at 2:14 PM on August 18, 2006
That's a link. Not that it's not hard to read, but it wasn't done for
posted by sonofsamiam at 2:25 PM on August 18, 2006
posted by sonofsamiam at 2:25 PM on August 18, 2006
And jamjam knows what I mean! Am I right, comrade? Can you feel the revolutionary passion?
posted by languagehat at 2:39 PM on August 18, 2006
posted by languagehat at 2:39 PM on August 18, 2006
Can you feel the revolutionary passion?
Ah, well the revolution better start soon, the Great Polarizer will only be around another couple years...
posted by scheptech at 2:49 PM on August 18, 2006
Ah, well the revolution better start soon, the Great Polarizer will only be around another couple years...
posted by scheptech at 2:49 PM on August 18, 2006
That's your idea of passion, eh languagehat? How instructive; yes, you are "right", very, very surprisingly far right.
posted by jamjam at 3:50 PM on August 18, 2006
posted by jamjam at 3:50 PM on August 18, 2006
Oh no—jamjam has penetrated to my true identity as a reactionary tool of the ruling classes! I am undone!
*poisons self, expires*
posted by languagehat at 3:53 PM on August 18, 2006
*poisons self, expires*
posted by languagehat at 3:53 PM on August 18, 2006
That's your idea of passion, eh languagehat?
As seen posted on the internet!
posted by cortex at 3:59 PM on August 18, 2006
As seen posted on the internet!
posted by cortex at 3:59 PM on August 18, 2006
If Lenin wasn't passionate, I don't know who was!
posted by languagehat at 4:02 PM on August 18, 2006
posted by languagehat at 4:02 PM on August 18, 2006
But no, apparently you just want to make this a free-fire zone for OMG BUSH rants because that makes you feel all warm and cozy. Wake up, citizen! Some of us are capable of having intense feelings about Bush & Co. even without having OMG BUSH dinned in our ear every minute by helpful MeFites!
You have earned yourself a big, sloppy wet kiss should I ever see you at a meetup.
Not from me. You'll get it from the hopefully-cold-sore-free hooker that I hire for the event.
god fucking forbid somebody here actually have some, like, political thoughts. that's so impolite.
less politics, less snark, and more YouTube links, that's the recipe for MeFi success
Honestly, I find this comment, and to anyone else who makes a similar one, just a little bit insulting.
So, you seem to think that the rest of the community (well, except for a few lockstep compares,) are obviously not quite as enlightened as yourself.
We, and by "We," I mean: People Who Mostly Agree With You, but who have probably already checked every major news site while we were drinking our morning coffee (or listening to NPR on the drive,) and really don't derive any benefit from the redundant (since I've already read it on msnbc.com or, shit, maybe even FARK before I came here,) Newsfilter posts, and the unimaginative Rage Against the [and today's rage is...?] commenters therein.
A lot of us came here because we thought it was pretty funny to see cats on scanners.
If you came here for something else, that's cool. But please fuckiing stop disparaging those of us who are pretty sure Metafilter isn't going to save the world just beecause some of us want to get turned onto some cool, kill a few minutes at work, websites.
posted by Cyrano at 5:11 PM on August 18, 2006
You have earned yourself a big, sloppy wet kiss should I ever see you at a meetup.
Not from me. You'll get it from the hopefully-cold-sore-free hooker that I hire for the event.
god fucking forbid somebody here actually have some, like, political thoughts. that's so impolite.
less politics, less snark, and more YouTube links, that's the recipe for MeFi success
Honestly, I find this comment, and to anyone else who makes a similar one, just a little bit insulting.
So, you seem to think that the rest of the community (well, except for a few lockstep compares,) are obviously not quite as enlightened as yourself.
We, and by "We," I mean: People Who Mostly Agree With You, but who have probably already checked every major news site while we were drinking our morning coffee (or listening to NPR on the drive,) and really don't derive any benefit from the redundant (since I've already read it on msnbc.com or, shit, maybe even FARK before I came here,) Newsfilter posts, and the unimaginative Rage Against the [and today's rage is...?] commenters therein.
A lot of us came here because we thought it was pretty funny to see cats on scanners.
If you came here for something else, that's cool. But please fuckiing stop disparaging those of us who are pretty sure Metafilter isn't going to save the world just beecause some of us want to get turned onto some cool, kill a few minutes at work, websites.
posted by Cyrano at 5:11 PM on August 18, 2006
If Lenin wasn't passionate, I don't know who was!
One can only imagine how much your wife must wish she'd known this before the marriage.
posted by jamjam at 5:27 PM on August 18, 2006
One can only imagine how much your wife must wish she'd known this before the marriage.
posted by jamjam at 5:27 PM on August 18, 2006
"Only Klangklangston's, in my memory, matches it for force, and Klang's lacks (doubtless by choice) the 'high seriousness' which seems native to UU."
My mother said to me today, "I don't think I've ever met anyone else who takes such visceral thrill in arguing for the sake of arguing."
I replied, "Nuh-uh!"
But she's beyond hope, being a trade unionist.
posted by klangklangston at 6:20 PM on August 18, 2006
My mother said to me today, "I don't think I've ever met anyone else who takes such visceral thrill in arguing for the sake of arguing."
I replied, "Nuh-uh!"
But she's beyond hope, being a trade unionist.
posted by klangklangston at 6:20 PM on August 18, 2006
languagehat writes "If Lenin wasn't passionate, I don't know who was!"
If there's one thing that MeFi has taught me, over and over, it's that everyone we think is leftist is actually a centrist, and NOBODY here has any idea what a TRUE leftist is like (and we'd be blown away or have a heart attack or our heads would explode if we heard the words of a true leftist). Since Lenin's words strike me as being leftist, yet my head and heart are intact, I'm gonna have to say that Lenin must be a centrist, and there's no such thing as a passionate centrist (except for jonmc).
posted by Bugbread at 7:13 PM on August 18, 2006
If there's one thing that MeFi has taught me, over and over, it's that everyone we think is leftist is actually a centrist, and NOBODY here has any idea what a TRUE leftist is like (and we'd be blown away or have a heart attack or our heads would explode if we heard the words of a true leftist). Since Lenin's words strike me as being leftist, yet my head and heart are intact, I'm gonna have to say that Lenin must be a centrist, and there's no such thing as a passionate centrist (except for jonmc).
posted by Bugbread at 7:13 PM on August 18, 2006
lenin was a fascist pink nazi faggot
and don't get me started about mccartney
posted by cortex at 7:25 PM on August 18, 2006
and don't get me started about mccartney
posted by cortex at 7:25 PM on August 18, 2006
Somebody's knocking at the door, somebody's ringing the bell. Do me a favor, open the door and let him in. = $1 million. (that's 1976 dollars.)
posted by Balisong at 8:10 PM on August 18, 2006
posted by Balisong at 8:10 PM on August 18, 2006
One can only imagine how much your wife must wish she'd known this before the marriage.
Sigh. So tiring doing one's best buffoonish-leftist impersonation for a stolid audience that can't come up with any better response than lame personal insults.
Dude, I'm an anarchist. I despise Lenin even more than I despise Bush, and that's going some. I think your display of loyal appreciation for Unregistered User's "passion" is hilariously silly, and I'm mocking it. Unfortunately, you seem to be one of those people who has to have jokes explained to them. My secretary will bill you in the morning.
Previous sentence not meant in earnest.
posted by languagehat at 10:31 AM on August 19, 2006
Sigh. So tiring doing one's best buffoonish-leftist impersonation for a stolid audience that can't come up with any better response than lame personal insults.
Dude, I'm an anarchist. I despise Lenin even more than I despise Bush, and that's going some. I think your display of loyal appreciation for Unregistered User's "passion" is hilariously silly, and I'm mocking it. Unfortunately, you seem to be one of those people who has to have jokes explained to them. My secretary will bill you in the morning.
Previous sentence not meant in earnest.
posted by languagehat at 10:31 AM on August 19, 2006
One can only imagine how much your wife must wish she'd known this before the marriage.
Too personal? Very well, I'm pleased to be able to agree with you yet again. Consider it withdrawn in favor of:
Oh no—jamjam has penetrated to my true identity as a reactionary tool of the ruling classes! I am undone!
*poisons self, expires*
You've survived your own venom all these years, languagehat; surely you have little to fear from any poison.
posted by jamjam at 12:23 PM on August 19, 2006
Too personal? Very well, I'm pleased to be able to agree with you yet again. Consider it withdrawn in favor of:
Oh no—jamjam has penetrated to my true identity as a reactionary tool of the ruling classes! I am undone!
*poisons self, expires*
You've survived your own venom all these years, languagehat; surely you have little to fear from any poison.
posted by jamjam at 12:23 PM on August 19, 2006
It's too late—I already expired. I am now the Ghost of Languagehat, and will send Matt another $5 so I can become in name what I am in reality: not a sock puppet but an ectoplasmic avatar who has burst the bounds of earthly gravity and come to live exclusively in the world of pixels.
Oh, hey, it's the Ghost of Ken Lay! How's tricks? Excuse us, everyone, we have a lot to talk about!
posted by languagehat at 1:01 PM on August 19, 2006
Oh, hey, it's the Ghost of Ken Lay! How's tricks? Excuse us, everyone, we have a lot to talk about!
posted by languagehat at 1:01 PM on August 19, 2006
I have no more time for this tedious exchange, languagehat.
I suppose I have never delivered more superfluous encouragement, but do carry on.
posted by jamjam at 1:20 PM on August 19, 2006
I suppose I have never delivered more superfluous encouragement, but do carry on.
posted by jamjam at 1:20 PM on August 19, 2006
so, what do you people do for work, anyway? does it have anything to do with drinking?
posted by UbuRoivas at 9:28 PM on August 19, 2006
posted by UbuRoivas at 9:28 PM on August 19, 2006
I'm a professional wrestler. I professionally wrestle.
posted by cortex at 8:09 AM on August 20, 2006
posted by cortex at 8:09 AM on August 20, 2006
I'm a professional rustler.
*rustles in a professional fashion*
posted by languagehat at 9:30 AM on August 20, 2006
*rustles in a professional fashion*
posted by languagehat at 9:30 AM on August 20, 2006
We don't take kindly to rustlers in these here parts, stranger.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 9:35 AM on August 20, 2006
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 9:35 AM on August 20, 2006
We paid to hear the movie, not you unwrappin' thet there candy bar.
/Gets horse, rope, tree, and the usher.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 9:38 AM on August 20, 2006
/Gets horse, rope, tree, and the usher.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 9:38 AM on August 20, 2006
*ties usher and Alvy to horse with rope, hits horse's ass with tree, watches with satisfaction as they disappear into the distance*
*rustles*
posted by languagehat at 9:48 AM on August 20, 2006
*rustles*
posted by languagehat at 9:48 AM on August 20, 2006
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