New User Waiting Period Policy April 4, 2004 11:55 AM Subscribe
I had a pretty interesting link for a fpp but I found out the hard way that I have to wait a week (5 days? 7 days?) before i get to to post on the big blue. Isn't is safe to assume that the new members aren't just people that wandered in to mefi and joined, but rather lurkers who've been dying to post for quite a while?
Also, I was able to post a question in askme as well as this thread, so I'm thinkin maybe we need some policy revision
Also, I was able to post a question in askme as well as this thread, so I'm thinkin maybe we need some policy revision
Unless it's a breakingnewsfilter link, I guess I can wait.
posted by Gyan at 12:09 PM on April 4, 2004
posted by Gyan at 12:09 PM on April 4, 2004
also, since new memberships are closed now I dont guess anyone else will be dealing with the problem much longer. moot perhaps, but i figure i would bring it up anyway.
posted by bob sarabia at 12:12 PM on April 4, 2004
posted by bob sarabia at 12:12 PM on April 4, 2004
Forgive my ignorance, but this 5 day waiting period... it's a one-time thing? Like you can't post for 5 days after signing up? Your first post must suffer a 5 day delay? Or you are living, forever, under a 5 day lag?
posted by scarabic at 12:16 PM on April 4, 2004
posted by scarabic at 12:16 PM on April 4, 2004
scarabic: To be able to post a thread in the blue, you have to have posted a certain number of comments and waited five days since you signed up.
As to the necessity of waiting a few more days: patience, grasshopper. Find supporting links. Refine your wording. Add flippant title tags. Etc.
posted by Johnny Assay at 12:26 PM on April 4, 2004
As to the necessity of waiting a few more days: patience, grasshopper. Find supporting links. Refine your wording. Add flippant title tags. Etc.
posted by Johnny Assay at 12:26 PM on April 4, 2004
from the about page: "The privilege of posting links to main page comes after posting a few comments and being a member for at least a week. This lag is built in to allow new members to get used to the place and to understand what other members consider good links."
I assume "week" means "7 days", but I guess I could be wrong. The number of comments needed isn't explicity stated, as far as I can see.
posted by reklaw at 12:42 PM on April 4, 2004
I assume "week" means "7 days", but I guess I could be wrong. The number of comments needed isn't explicity stated, as far as I can see.
posted by reklaw at 12:42 PM on April 4, 2004
I think this thread is assinine, so I'm going to tell a story instead:
My parents had two dogs for many years. Then they got a third. He was off the street, so they didn't know much about his background. As soon as they let him in the house, he tried to act like he ran the house. He immediately tried to change the way the house ran and, worst of all, he was impatient and demanded attention when he should have taken a little time to be happy that he had new home. I still dislike that dog and, although they won't admit it, my parents don't like him very much either.
posted by Mayor Curley at 12:42 PM on April 4, 2004
My parents had two dogs for many years. Then they got a third. He was off the street, so they didn't know much about his background. As soon as they let him in the house, he tried to act like he ran the house. He immediately tried to change the way the house ran and, worst of all, he was impatient and demanded attention when he should have taken a little time to be happy that he had new home. I still dislike that dog and, although they won't admit it, my parents don't like him very much either.
posted by Mayor Curley at 12:42 PM on April 4, 2004
from the about page "The privilege of posting links to main page comes after posting a few comments and being a member for at least a week." i'm not sure what number 'a few' comes out as.
Ya know, it seems kind of backwards to not want new commenting members then have a system in place where you have to load up on the comments in order to post anything.
posted by bob sarabia at 12:43 PM on April 4, 2004
Ya know, it seems kind of backwards to not want new commenting members then have a system in place where you have to load up on the comments in order to post anything.
posted by bob sarabia at 12:43 PM on April 4, 2004
Well, except you don't have to load up on comments. Lord, it's only a week. Also, while I think that MC might be a little harsh, I would take a moment to consider how bitching about site policy roughly eight seconds after joining might be received.
posted by LittleMissCranky at 12:52 PM on April 4, 2004
posted by LittleMissCranky at 12:52 PM on April 4, 2004
I've been lurking here for nearly two years before I became a member myself, so i can wait a few days more to post a link to the blue. I don't see any issue in the policy as it is right now.
posted by tcp at 1:02 PM on April 4, 2004
- Ya know, it seems kind of backwards to not want new commenting members then have a system in place where you have to load up on the comments in order to post anything.
posted by tcp at 1:02 PM on April 4, 2004
I was surprised too, bob. I understand delays - Monkeyfilter has a 24 hour delay for good reason. But after mathowie explicitly said he was interested in new posters rather than commenters, I thought, well then I should start working for my membership and be a good citizen by finding a good post, only to find out that no, he really does want people to be just commenters, at least for a week. As it was, I happily posted my link to monkeyfilter, and we had a good discussion there.
posted by jb at 1:08 PM on April 4, 2004
posted by jb at 1:08 PM on April 4, 2004
I was wondering why I didn't see any new names on the front page yet. I had the same thought as bob sarabia when I saw this post. (And I'm one of MeFi's oldest fogeys - check out my user number - 206!!! - but then, nobody ever pays attention to me). Maybe His High Haugheyness could come up with some kind of compromise, like giving new members ONE front-page post in their first week.
And for anyone who wasn't aware, regular MeFi members have a 24-hour waiting peroid between posts to the blue. On the grey and green, the rule is casually enforced but not coded in.
posted by wendell at 1:15 PM on April 4, 2004
And for anyone who wasn't aware, regular MeFi members have a 24-hour waiting peroid between posts to the blue. On the grey and green, the rule is casually enforced but not coded in.
posted by wendell at 1:15 PM on April 4, 2004
Uh... jb... the link you posted on monkeyfilter was to the New Yorker. I realise I'm really in no position to criticise, being new as well, but do you really think that would have made a good post here?
The site policy makes sense, to me at least. If there wasn't a time delay then there would have been a flood of new people posting the first thing that came to hand.
posted by reklaw at 1:16 PM on April 4, 2004
The site policy makes sense, to me at least. If there wasn't a time delay then there would have been a flood of new people posting the first thing that came to hand.
posted by reklaw at 1:16 PM on April 4, 2004
I CANT WAIT A WEEK!!! I NEED MY FPP NOW!!! ARRRRGGGG
....ummm, what i meant was: i suppose i could be over-reacting a tad. the FPP was about lessigs feud with manes, btw....ahhh i feel much better now
posted by bob sarabia at 1:31 PM on April 4, 2004
....ummm, what i meant was: i suppose i could be over-reacting a tad. the FPP was about lessigs feud with manes, btw....ahhh i feel much better now
posted by bob sarabia at 1:31 PM on April 4, 2004
Mayor Curley, I think you're being a little harsh. But your point and LittleMissCranky's is completely valid. Anyway, if you think for a moment about the spirit in which this was posted (and read the comments), you'll see that the context is A) long-time lurkers who B) understand that Matt wants good FPPs and not more comments. In that context, the question was entirely in good faith, no?
But a week isn't that long. May I express the hope—please, for the love of God, please—that I and my fellow newbies act exemplary in avoiding NewsFilter posts? Please? It'll be really depressing to me, anyway, if the new blood just means more of that.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 1:36 PM on April 4, 2004
But a week isn't that long. May I express the hope—please, for the love of God, please—that I and my fellow newbies act exemplary in avoiding NewsFilter posts? Please? It'll be really depressing to me, anyway, if the new blood just means more of that.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 1:36 PM on April 4, 2004
When I joined (Sept 2001), I had to live by the same rules. I too had been a lurker for around a year before I decided to join (and as you can see by my posting/comment archive, this hasn't changed much - I am here everyday, but seldom have anything useful to add).
Where is the rush? When I joined, it was during open enrollment, and I understood the reason for not being able to post. It is just an extra filter to ensure that new users have a good idea of the rules and norms that exist here.
posted by Quartermass at 1:53 PM on April 4, 2004
Where is the rush? When I joined, it was during open enrollment, and I understood the reason for not being able to post. It is just an extra filter to ensure that new users have a good idea of the rules and norms that exist here.
posted by Quartermass at 1:53 PM on April 4, 2004
Quartermass, I'm not complaining against it, but that logic doesn't quite work out in my mind. The way you figure out the norms is by reading, and non account-holders can do that just as well. What the constraint does accomplish is temper some initial impulses. Or rather one would hope it does. I'm not sure just how effective it is.
posted by Gyan at 2:00 PM on April 4, 2004
posted by Gyan at 2:00 PM on April 4, 2004
we'll all still be here in a week. so will the link.
what's the point in having all these wonderful links that everyone has been saving up for years in one mad week?
posted by andrew cooke at 2:10 PM on April 4, 2004
what's the point in having all these wonderful links that everyone has been saving up for years in one mad week?
posted by andrew cooke at 2:10 PM on April 4, 2004
In retrospect, I should have changed the ending of my story to "...but then the dog settled in, everyone forgot how he acted out at first and now he's a loved member of the family."
But it was a true story, so I didn't. I still don't care for Larry the chihuahua.
posted by Mayor Curley at 2:17 PM on April 4, 2004
But it was a true story, so I didn't. I still don't care for Larry the chihuahua.
posted by Mayor Curley at 2:17 PM on April 4, 2004
curley, i think my question is a valid one at the least. even if it's not, you sure aren't contributing anything to the discussion. stop shitting on this thread. sheesh.
posted by bob sarabia at 2:32 PM on April 4, 2004
posted by bob sarabia at 2:32 PM on April 4, 2004
why not post the link here and we can judge for ourselves?
posted by sgt.serenity at 2:49 PM on April 4, 2004
posted by sgt.serenity at 2:49 PM on April 4, 2004
I still don't care for Larry the chihuahua.
Like anyone could care for a chihuahua.
posted by orange swan at 2:51 PM on April 4, 2004
Like anyone could care for a chihuahua.
posted by orange swan at 2:51 PM on April 4, 2004
I agree that there's sort of a disconnect between wanting new posting members and not allowing new members to post, especially when we know that most of the n00bs are as aware of what constitutes a good post as anybody else. More aware than some, probably. At the least, already well enough apprised that five days isn't going to make much of a difference.
My guess is, either Matt forgot about the old requirement, or else is too busy with real life to change it. Who knows the ways of User One? It's been hard to tell what Matt's thinking anymore.. I am starting to suspect he has found a way to block my telepathic surveillance techniques.
posted by Hildago at 3:02 PM on April 4, 2004
My guess is, either Matt forgot about the old requirement, or else is too busy with real life to change it. Who knows the ways of User One? It's been hard to tell what Matt's thinking anymore.. I am starting to suspect he has found a way to block my telepathic surveillance techniques.
posted by Hildago at 3:02 PM on April 4, 2004
Actually, bob sarabia, MC has creatively offered a valid opinion, though one I don't altogether agree with. Either way, telling him that he's "shitting on this thread", in MeTa no less, is acting like the cock-of-the-walk dog he describes in his story, doncha think?
For what its worth, I joined a long fricken time ago, and still had to wait to post to the Blue, not that I was bursting to do so. This long standing policy has its place and its reason, and calling for a change away from it, just by virtue of being "new", seems like the best argument possible for keeping it. There's lotsa us folk been around for a while, and yes, we probably lurked for a buncha time before we got in as well. Just 'cause someone got the holy dispensation of being allowed in doesn't mean they get to call the shots for the site. That's Matt's job. The sooner learned the better.
posted by Wulfgar! at 3:14 PM on April 4, 2004
For what its worth, I joined a long fricken time ago, and still had to wait to post to the Blue, not that I was bursting to do so. This long standing policy has its place and its reason, and calling for a change away from it, just by virtue of being "new", seems like the best argument possible for keeping it. There's lotsa us folk been around for a while, and yes, we probably lurked for a buncha time before we got in as well. Just 'cause someone got the holy dispensation of being allowed in doesn't mean they get to call the shots for the site. That's Matt's job. The sooner learned the better.
posted by Wulfgar! at 3:14 PM on April 4, 2004
why not post the link here and we can judge for ourselves?
see above for my almost-FPP
posted by bob sarabia at 3:17 PM on April 4, 2004
see above for my almost-FPP
posted by bob sarabia at 3:17 PM on April 4, 2004
bob, now you're learning about posting to MeTa : >
OK, bring that over here. That's good. Mayor Curley, we need just a little bit more pointless clutter. Also, where are the barely-sequitor images? I also thought I ordered some needless silliness. C'mon people, get it together! How are we supposed to keep this place up without some good, solid hazing for bob sarabia?
posted by namespan at 3:32 PM on April 4, 2004
OK, bring that over here. That's good. Mayor Curley, we need just a little bit more pointless clutter. Also, where are the barely-sequitor images? I also thought I ordered some needless silliness. C'mon people, get it together! How are we supposed to keep this place up without some good, solid hazing for bob sarabia?
posted by namespan at 3:32 PM on April 4, 2004
Does anyone still doubt mathowie's contention that new users cause him extra work?
posted by timeistight at 3:44 PM on April 4, 2004
posted by timeistight at 3:44 PM on April 4, 2004
Do we in fact know that all the new members are "good posters" who have been waiting to show how great they are? Two have already been banned. I'd rather a troll crapped in a comment (and got banned before they could make a post), than on the front page.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 3:44 PM on April 4, 2004
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 3:44 PM on April 4, 2004
"stop shitting on this thread. sheesh.."
Ah Bob, nothing like settling in. You'll fit in fine around here.
Fer cryin' out loud, you waited for however long and now that you got your membership you want the rules changed so you don't have to wait another week? That hardly seems fair to the other seventeen some-odd thousand people who simply accepted the policy.
posted by cedar at 3:47 PM on April 4, 2004
Ah Bob, nothing like settling in. You'll fit in fine around here.
Fer cryin' out loud, you waited for however long and now that you got your membership you want the rules changed so you don't have to wait another week? That hardly seems fair to the other seventeen some-odd thousand people who simply accepted the policy.
posted by cedar at 3:47 PM on April 4, 2004
i'm not really DEMANDING that the rules be changed because i say so, as some would think....I'm just pointing the situation out as i see it.
And [timeistight] i think this place needs some fresh blood to spice it up a little bit, put some racing stripes on it, a cool fin, etc. *
Also [cedar], since the situation has changed from previous new signups, i'll admit that its not fair, but it does make some level of sense, no? *
*The opinions expressed by bob sarabia do not reflect the newbies as a group. please take all comments with a grain of salt. void where prohibited
posted by bob sarabia at 4:05 PM on April 4, 2004
And [timeistight] i think this place needs some fresh blood to spice it up a little bit, put some racing stripes on it, a cool fin, etc. *
Also [cedar], since the situation has changed from previous new signups, i'll admit that its not fair, but it does make some level of sense, no? *
*The opinions expressed by bob sarabia do not reflect the newbies as a group. please take all comments with a grain of salt. void where prohibited
posted by bob sarabia at 4:05 PM on April 4, 2004
Isn't is safe to assume that the new members aren't just people that wandered in to mefi and joined, but rather lurkers who've been dying to post for quite a while?
Nope, it's not. And, since there's no way to tell which type of poster you are [or might be] and we all had to go through the same hoop, I think it's not only reasonable, but actually more fair that the "make a few comments" requirement and the brief waiting period stay in place. We've all been there.
posted by jessamyn at 4:08 PM on April 4, 2004
Nope, it's not. And, since there's no way to tell which type of poster you are [or might be] and we all had to go through the same hoop, I think it's not only reasonable, but actually more fair that the "make a few comments" requirement and the brief waiting period stay in place. We've all been there.
posted by jessamyn at 4:08 PM on April 4, 2004
Does anyone still doubt mathowie's contention that new users cause him extra work?
More than any of the rest of us who've asked for solar powered ponies and stirred the pot?
posted by namespan at 4:21 PM on April 4, 2004
More than any of the rest of us who've asked for solar powered ponies and stirred the pot?
posted by namespan at 4:21 PM on April 4, 2004
I forgot about the policy, and bob, maybe it's a bit unfair, but this is far too nice of a sunday for me to spend it sitting indoors moving code around.
Wait for the rest of the week and be done with it.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 4:29 PM on April 4, 2004
Wait for the rest of the week and be done with it.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 4:29 PM on April 4, 2004
stop shitting on this thread. sheesh.
I was trying to soften up my previous post without actually apologizing (because I don't think I needed to). That's why I offered a revision. Sheesh.
posted by Mayor Curley at 4:36 PM on April 4, 2004
I was trying to soften up my previous post without actually apologizing (because I don't think I needed to). That's why I offered a revision. Sheesh.
posted by Mayor Curley at 4:36 PM on April 4, 2004
I forgot about the policy, and bob, maybe it's a bit unfair, but this is far too nice of a sunday for me to spend it sitting indoors moving code around.
But it's not too nice of a Sunday for you to sit around and read MetaTalk? ;)
posted by filmgoerjuan at 4:38 PM on April 4, 2004
But it's not too nice of a Sunday for you to sit around and read MetaTalk? ;)
posted by filmgoerjuan at 4:38 PM on April 4, 2004
Okay, bob, I'm not going to shit in your thread, but I do agree with Mayor Curley, Little Miss Cranky, et al, who have said that a short waiting period is not a cross to bear. You're not receiving answers to your question very patiently. If you've been lurking for as long as you say, you should know that some of the comments you receive might be a little, um... zingy. I think you should have learned what you came here to ask by now, which is mainly to wait out your period without yanking Matt's crank. I hope you can take that answer and live with it.
posted by scarabic at 4:58 PM on April 4, 2004
posted by scarabic at 4:58 PM on April 4, 2004
Again, I'd like to say that although Bob's post may strike many as presumptuous, it's clear that his intentions were good, he's certainly not Bad Commie, and any initial agression occured when he was (not-too-harshly, but not altogether with kindness, either) slapped down. Reacting badly is understandable and forgivable, isn't it? See countless MeTa threads for people snapping back when poked with a sharp stick (deservedly or not).
When I compiled a list of all the new members (because...well, I don't know why, really) I started to get the impression from their member pages that a good portion—perhaps not the majority, though—might be complete MeFi newbies and not lurkers. There's a lot of us that have been lurking MeFi and MeTa for a year or more—but the users that really make Matt work are certainly among the crowd and a FPP restriction may prevent a fair amount of trouble.
And even among those of us that should know how to properly FPP (I know Matt doesn't like the initialism, but the three words are collectively so much typing), a fair amount of initial discretion is very likely a good thing.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 5:00 PM on April 4, 2004
When I compiled a list of all the new members (because...well, I don't know why, really) I started to get the impression from their member pages that a good portion—perhaps not the majority, though—might be complete MeFi newbies and not lurkers. There's a lot of us that have been lurking MeFi and MeTa for a year or more—but the users that really make Matt work are certainly among the crowd and a FPP restriction may prevent a fair amount of trouble.
And even among those of us that should know how to properly FPP (I know Matt doesn't like the initialism, but the three words are collectively so much typing), a fair amount of initial discretion is very likely a good thing.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 5:00 PM on April 4, 2004
Two have already been banned.
Who's the other one?
posted by CunningLinguist at 5:25 PM on April 4, 2004
Who's the other one?
posted by CunningLinguist at 5:25 PM on April 4, 2004
I've been coming here every day for longer than most, and I'm siding with the newbies on this. bob's question was reasonable and polite; it's not like he was demanding satisfaction, he just raised an issue and asked a sincere question. We all have that right.
Now, it's true that waiting a week isn't that big a deal, and that changing the policy causes matt work. And I think that if that had simply been stated without all the unnecessary aggression, that would have been the end of the story.
Curley, you were out of line and, for whatever little my opinion should be worth to you, I think you should apologize.
Of course, maybe I'm biased, because I think that some of the newbies, reklaw and ethereal bligh in particular, have great things to say and have been making some fantastic comments.
posted by gd779 at 5:41 PM on April 4, 2004
Now, it's true that waiting a week isn't that big a deal, and that changing the policy causes matt work. And I think that if that had simply been stated without all the unnecessary aggression, that would have been the end of the story.
Curley, you were out of line and, for whatever little my opinion should be worth to you, I think you should apologize.
Of course, maybe I'm biased, because I think that some of the newbies, reklaw and ethereal bligh in particular, have great things to say and have been making some fantastic comments.
posted by gd779 at 5:41 PM on April 4, 2004
Curley, you were out of line and ... I think you should apologize.
I absolutely wasn't and I absolutely won't. The more I check this thread, the happier I am that I wrote it.
posted by Mayor Curley at 5:51 PM on April 4, 2004
I absolutely wasn't and I absolutely won't. The more I check this thread, the happier I am that I wrote it.
posted by Mayor Curley at 5:51 PM on April 4, 2004
member since: April 1, 2004
and 2 threads and 19 comments to MetaTalk
"You are not special. You are not a unique snowflake. We are the all singing all dancing crap of the world."
posted by yerfatma at 5:54 PM on April 4, 2004
and 2 threads and 19 comments to MetaTalk
"You are not special. You are not a unique snowflake. We are the all singing all dancing crap of the world."
posted by yerfatma at 5:54 PM on April 4, 2004
You know what, I was wrong to use the term "newbies" at all. My fundamental point is that bob is a member of MetaFilter, just like all of us. He has the right to ask a question in MetaTalk, and as long as he does it politely, he deserves our respect. He was basically polite and respectful of this community,while many of us were not.
posted by gd779 at 5:56 PM on April 4, 2004
posted by gd779 at 5:56 PM on April 4, 2004
It was a fine question, though a little presumptuously phrased (eg: the waiting period for using the words "policy revision" in a MeTa post should be a year).
Mayor Curley was aserbic, but not out of line. Let it rest; he's the one who had to eat crappy cornflakes today.
posted by scarabic at 6:00 PM on April 4, 2004
Mayor Curley was aserbic, but not out of line. Let it rest; he's the one who had to eat crappy cornflakes today.
posted by scarabic at 6:00 PM on April 4, 2004
It is a legitimate question, and it deserves a legitimate answer, which apparently is 'I don't feel like moving code around for one person'. While there was some crap being thrown around, I think that most of us were basically polite.
posted by calwatch at 6:02 PM on April 4, 2004
posted by calwatch at 6:02 PM on April 4, 2004
The original point of this kind of policy is to weed out the impulsive sign-up-then-post-gibberish-spam phenomenon, right? A waiting period is perhaps a blunt way to accomplish this, but it's a valid concern. You'd be amazed how many people would get a kick out of posting "5UxoRs MY RoXoR5 Lo1O10L!!" Even if it were only up for 5 minutes. This is supposed to make less deletion work for the Matt, right?
Lurk for a year, train for a week, post for a lifetime. Deal? Welcome one and all, we love you! (for now)
posted by scarabic at 6:12 PM on April 4, 2004
Lurk for a year, train for a week, post for a lifetime. Deal? Welcome one and all, we love you! (for now)
posted by scarabic at 6:12 PM on April 4, 2004
Two have already been banned.
Who's the other one?
Bad Commie and this guy (had a link to wilwheaton.org on his userpage [not Wil's site, DO NOT go there]). At least that was the impression I got from this thread.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 6:20 PM on April 4, 2004
Who's the other one?
Bad Commie and this guy (had a link to wilwheaton.org on his userpage [not Wil's site, DO NOT go there]). At least that was the impression I got from this thread.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 6:20 PM on April 4, 2004
Do we in fact know that all the new members are "good posters" who have been waiting to show how great they are? Two have already been banned. I'd rather a troll crapped in a comment (and got banned before they could make a post), than on the front page.
I (and note my user number) agree one hundred percent. I only knew about Bad Commie (who else?), but I'm surely glad he was booted before he had a chance to post a FPP.
I think the week delay is good, not so much for the delay, but as kind of a kick in the pants reminder that FPPs are not to be submitted willy-nilly a la Fark, and that we shouldn't rush to post one just cause 'we're new.' (Which we all want to do. I think my first comment was about 5 seconds after registration.)
On a side note, it is hard to know what would work and what would not. I don't believe there is an organized way to see deleted posts and the reason why. Perhaps such an implementation would be useful for those of us who, fearful of angering the establishement, are erring on the side of not posting?
On preview: What Scarabic said in a fraciton of the words.
posted by John Kenneth Fisher at 6:20 PM on April 4, 2004
I (and note my user number) agree one hundred percent. I only knew about Bad Commie (who else?), but I'm surely glad he was booted before he had a chance to post a FPP.
I think the week delay is good, not so much for the delay, but as kind of a kick in the pants reminder that FPPs are not to be submitted willy-nilly a la Fark, and that we shouldn't rush to post one just cause 'we're new.' (Which we all want to do. I think my first comment was about 5 seconds after registration.)
On a side note, it is hard to know what would work and what would not. I don't believe there is an organized way to see deleted posts and the reason why. Perhaps such an implementation would be useful for those of us who, fearful of angering the establishement, are erring on the side of not posting?
On preview: What Scarabic said in a fraciton of the words.
posted by John Kenneth Fisher at 6:20 PM on April 4, 2004
Not to look like I'm sucking up or anything, but speaking as a newbie myself, I'm happy to live by whatever rules are in place (at least for now!) I've waited a long time to get my two cents in, I can wait a little longer to make my own posts.
Not to say that any other new users aren't entitled to their opinion, you folks just probably have more to say than me!
posted by loquax at 6:22 PM on April 4, 2004
Not to say that any other new users aren't entitled to their opinion, you folks just probably have more to say than me!
posted by loquax at 6:22 PM on April 4, 2004
I thought the venerable Mayor Curley offered an interesting and important opinion couched in an entertaining anecdote.
Just be glad I didn't compare your Metatalk post to the rotting carcass of a beached whale and ask that it be pushed back out into the ocean with you newbie whale riders in toe. I did that as a one-off in a metatalk thread the other day and the thread was gone in a second. I have that much pull.
Also the thread wasn't necessary, which may have had something to do with its deletion. Comfortable in my delusion, however, I have ignored this and will continue to do so. Let this be a lesson to all you tellers of animal anecdotes out there...
If you figure out a lesson let me know. Thanks.
posted by The God Complex at 6:28 PM on April 4, 2004
Just be glad I didn't compare your Metatalk post to the rotting carcass of a beached whale and ask that it be pushed back out into the ocean with you newbie whale riders in toe. I did that as a one-off in a metatalk thread the other day and the thread was gone in a second. I have that much pull.
Also the thread wasn't necessary, which may have had something to do with its deletion. Comfortable in my delusion, however, I have ignored this and will continue to do so. Let this be a lesson to all you tellers of animal anecdotes out there...
If you figure out a lesson let me know. Thanks.
posted by The God Complex at 6:28 PM on April 4, 2004
Actually, I don't think the waiting period as a way of preventing gibberish-spam is all that relevant now that it's hard to get an account. On the other hand, I do feel that the annoyance is a wonderful didactic tool about ponies and such for the new users.
Incidentally, unlike scarabic, I don't love the new people; I despise every one of them. I do however in due course intend to have a disturbingly personal obsession with some of them just to annoy certain people.
posted by fvw at 6:30 PM on April 4, 2004
Incidentally, unlike scarabic, I don't love the new people; I despise every one of them. I do however in due course intend to have a disturbingly personal obsession with some of them just to annoy certain people.
posted by fvw at 6:30 PM on April 4, 2004
Incidentally, unlike scarabic, I don't love the new people; I despise every one of them. I do however in due course intend to have a disturbingly personal obsession with some of them just to annoy certain people.
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I'm always on the outside looking in when it comes to the MetaFilter Idolatry home game.
posted by The God Complex at 6:40 PM on April 4, 2004
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I'm always on the outside looking in when it comes to the MetaFilter Idolatry home game.
posted by The God Complex at 6:40 PM on April 4, 2004
Incidentally, unlike scarabic, I don't love the new people; I despise every one of them. I do however in due course intend to have a disturbingly personal obsession with some of them just to annoy certain people.
Hmm, you may have something there. Frustration is a key element of the Metafilter gestalt. In the same way that a baby's first sensation on entering the world is being smacked on the ass, it is only right that the first impression any new user has is a sort of voiceless disappointment mixed with frenzied impotence. "Blow winds, and crack your cheeks," that sort of thing.
posted by Hildago at 6:56 PM on April 4, 2004
Hmm, you may have something there. Frustration is a key element of the Metafilter gestalt. In the same way that a baby's first sensation on entering the world is being smacked on the ass, it is only right that the first impression any new user has is a sort of voiceless disappointment mixed with frenzied impotence. "Blow winds, and crack your cheeks," that sort of thing.
posted by Hildago at 6:56 PM on April 4, 2004
Meant to quote this:
On the other hand, I do feel that the annoyance is a wonderful didactic tool about ponies and such for the new users.
posted by Hildago at 6:57 PM on April 4, 2004
On the other hand, I do feel that the annoyance is a wonderful didactic tool about ponies and such for the new users.
posted by Hildago at 6:57 PM on April 4, 2004
Also [cedar], since the situation has changed from previous new signups, i'll admit that its not fair, but it does make some level of sense, no?
As far as I am aware, new users have always had to wait. In the context of the amount of time most of the current batch of new inductees have had to wait to get in, a week is not long at all. Mayor Curley may have been a tad blunt in the way he made his point, but the thread was phrased in a manner that ensured someone would have made the same point in an equally or more blunt manner, so consider yourself lucky.
posted by dg at 7:12 PM on April 4, 2004
As far as I am aware, new users have always had to wait. In the context of the amount of time most of the current batch of new inductees have had to wait to get in, a week is not long at all. Mayor Curley may have been a tad blunt in the way he made his point, but the thread was phrased in a manner that ensured someone would have made the same point in an equally or more blunt manner, so consider yourself lucky.
posted by dg at 7:12 PM on April 4, 2004
Goddamn, I love me a good parable.
It's just a bonus when the parable-weaver has a cute ass, too.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 7:55 PM on April 4, 2004
It's just a bonus when the parable-weaver has a cute ass, too.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 7:55 PM on April 4, 2004
i suppose i didn't consider people like this bad commie fellow, who apparently is some kind of a dickhead. and if have in any way made some of the 'fogeys' hate the new people, well, i'm glad i could do my part : >
posted by bob sarabia at 8:02 PM on April 4, 2004
posted by bob sarabia at 8:02 PM on April 4, 2004
Somehow all I remember after reading to this point in the thread is a mayoral nyuk nyuk, a chihuahua named Bob, flaccid cheeks parting in the wind, a beached whale (possibly flaccid as well), and the uncomfortable discovery that I can't seem to scan past LittleMissCranky's delightful nym without becoming amused. The point being, of course, that beyond their usefulness as enabling targets for witty rejoinder, the fresher faces are not contributing their fair share to my mental recreation.
Chop-chop.
posted by Opus Dark at 8:07 PM on April 4, 2004
Chop-chop.
posted by Opus Dark at 8:07 PM on April 4, 2004
Put that way it also sums up the Manes/Lessig links fairly well.
posted by anathema at 8:14 PM on April 4, 2004
posted by anathema at 8:14 PM on April 4, 2004
so what does everything think about the manes/lessig thing? i was gonna spice it up some, not just plop down the two links..but i think it's pretty good for fpp. what does everyone else think, just out of curiosity?
also, please tell me i'm not going to be called bob the chihuahua now, i hate those damn dogs.
posted by bob sarabia at 8:42 PM on April 4, 2004
also, please tell me i'm not going to be called bob the chihuahua now, i hate those damn dogs.
posted by bob sarabia at 8:42 PM on April 4, 2004
I was going to call you "Bob the chi WAAAAA WAAAAA" but it's too long to type and overtly negative ;)
I kid because I love.
posted by The God Complex at 8:58 PM on April 4, 2004
I kid because I love.
posted by The God Complex at 8:58 PM on April 4, 2004
re: Lessig vs. Manes?
I think it is a perfect example of the insular nature of the blogosphere. The two don't seem to be speaking at each other.
In other words, I don't think it is a great FPP.
posted by gen at 9:15 PM on April 4, 2004
I think it is a perfect example of the insular nature of the blogosphere. The two don't seem to be speaking at each other.
In other words, I don't think it is a great FPP.
posted by gen at 9:15 PM on April 4, 2004
reklaw: If you read the New Yorker everyday, then no, it would not be a good post. I don't read the New Yorker, unless it is cited on a blog, in this case A&L Daily, but they don't have a discussion forum. I thought that people might find it interesting to talk about, as I did. I was glad to post it to monkeyfilter.
posted by jb at 9:40 PM on April 4, 2004
posted by jb at 9:40 PM on April 4, 2004
th3ph17 has posted 16 links and 1163 comments to MetaFilter
and 7 threads and 195 comments to MetaTalk
and i would edit, or delete half of the comments and maybe every single link if i could. don't worry about a delay. Its kind of like sex you know, its better and matters more after you have been doing it for a while, even though at first it seems like a huge deal...years down the road you wish you could edit or delete those first ones.
posted by th3ph17 at 9:43 PM on April 4, 2004
and 7 threads and 195 comments to MetaTalk
and i would edit, or delete half of the comments and maybe every single link if i could. don't worry about a delay. Its kind of like sex you know, its better and matters more after you have been doing it for a while, even though at first it seems like a huge deal...years down the road you wish you could edit or delete those first ones.
posted by th3ph17 at 9:43 PM on April 4, 2004
ohh ok. see, all you had to do is relate it to sex and i wouldn't have gotten it real quick. i'll take that advice to heart ph17
posted by bob sarabia at 9:57 PM on April 4, 2004
posted by bob sarabia at 9:57 PM on April 4, 2004
John Kenneth Fisher: deleted threads live on here, along with the reason they were deleted.
posted by timeistight at 10:25 PM on April 4, 2004
posted by timeistight at 10:25 PM on April 4, 2004
to clarify, that should be "would've gotten it".
ok - killing thread......NOW
posted by bob sarabia at 10:59 PM on April 4, 2004
ok - killing thread......NOW
posted by bob sarabia at 10:59 PM on April 4, 2004
Bob the chihuaua? Nah, I dub thee "Chihuahua Boy"! ;-P
posted by mischief at 2:32 AM on April 5, 2004
posted by mischief at 2:32 AM on April 5, 2004
I enjoy seeing new users. Nothing beats the old folk like having to deal with new folk. I revel in this, and thank Mayor Curley for being the scapegoat to show why we need more new users.
Nothing helps bring about positive change better than new people trying out the place. I'm glad to see the new users are working to fit in and wish them all the best of luck.
posted by shepd at 4:50 AM on April 5, 2004
Nothing helps bring about positive change better than new people trying out the place. I'm glad to see the new users are working to fit in and wish them all the best of luck.
posted by shepd at 4:50 AM on April 5, 2004
I look forward to the new contributors posting great links. Hopefully these people have unique skills to find great things out there.
As for the week ban, I think it is a great idea. Heck, I'd love to see a once a week limit on FPP's. That way, when you come across that great newsfilter post that you feel you must editorialize to the world, maybe the person would not post it. They might feel that since they only get one a week, then they should make it a really good one. There are, of course, posters who consistently post great FPP's, and perhaps there could be a mechanism that those who post great FPP's have that week shortened based on performance. But those who post weak posts would be limited to their once a week post. Hmm. I'm liking this idea, so thanks to the new guys for adding in thoughts to improve the site!
Welcome to you all. I have seen most people here go through their newbie period, and I hope you will be assimilated quickly. I only ask that you appreciate the uniqueness of MeFi and strive to keep it unique and something to be proud to be a member of. Please don't drag it down to the lowest common denominator with FPP's. Good luck!
posted by Seth at 11:36 AM on April 5, 2004
As for the week ban, I think it is a great idea. Heck, I'd love to see a once a week limit on FPP's. That way, when you come across that great newsfilter post that you feel you must editorialize to the world, maybe the person would not post it. They might feel that since they only get one a week, then they should make it a really good one. There are, of course, posters who consistently post great FPP's, and perhaps there could be a mechanism that those who post great FPP's have that week shortened based on performance. But those who post weak posts would be limited to their once a week post. Hmm. I'm liking this idea, so thanks to the new guys for adding in thoughts to improve the site!
Welcome to you all. I have seen most people here go through their newbie period, and I hope you will be assimilated quickly. I only ask that you appreciate the uniqueness of MeFi and strive to keep it unique and something to be proud to be a member of. Please don't drag it down to the lowest common denominator with FPP's. Good luck!
posted by Seth at 11:36 AM on April 5, 2004
John Kenneth Fisher: deleted threads live on here, along with the reason they were deleted.
Thanks, timeistight, much appreciated.
posted by John Kenneth Fisher at 11:54 AM on April 5, 2004
Thanks, timeistight, much appreciated.
posted by John Kenneth Fisher at 11:54 AM on April 5, 2004
I just want to say, as someone who's had a go-round or two with Mayor Curley, that I thought his original comment was relevant and fun if somewhat snarky, while Chihuahua Bob's complaining about it right after MC qualified it / laughed if off was over-the-top. And that's why I've used the phrase "Chihuahua Bob" - because Bob's behavior, as Wulfgar noted, made the anecdote fit much better than it did when originally offered.
That, and I just wanted a chance to make fun of newbies. Ha! "Chihuahua Bob!" OK, now I'm done.
posted by soyjoy at 11:59 AM on April 5, 2004
That, and I just wanted a chance to make fun of newbies. Ha! "Chihuahua Bob!" OK, now I'm done.
posted by soyjoy at 11:59 AM on April 5, 2004
Waiting a week to post on the front page, when I joined, warped my fragile little mind. I hope you're all sorry.
But, poor, Chihuahua Bob! It's like finally getting your girlfriend into bed, thinking you're going the distance, and she's all "touchies, feelies but no putty-innies".
Poor lad's frustrated!
posted by Blue Stone at 1:15 PM on April 5, 2004
But, poor, Chihuahua Bob! It's like finally getting your girlfriend into bed, thinking you're going the distance, and she's all "touchies, feelies but no putty-innies".
Poor lad's frustrated!
posted by Blue Stone at 1:15 PM on April 5, 2004
Aw come on you guys, leave Chihauhua Bob alone!
(sorry, couldn't help it - good luck, dude, I'm looking forward to your 1st post!)
posted by FeetOfClay at 8:22 AM on April 6, 2004
(sorry, couldn't help it - good luck, dude, I'm looking forward to your 1st post!)
posted by FeetOfClay at 8:22 AM on April 6, 2004
As for the week ban, I think it is a great idea. Heck, I'd love to see a once a week limit on FPP's. That way, when you come across that great newsfilter post that you feel you must editorialize to the world, maybe the person would not post it. They might feel that since they only get one a week, then they should make it a really good one. There are, of course, posters who consistently post great FPP's, and perhaps there could be a mechanism that those who post great FPP's have that week shortened based on performance. But those who post weak posts would be limited to their once a week post. Hmm. I'm liking this idea, so thanks to the new guys for adding in thoughts to improve the site!
Welcome to you all. I have seen most people here go through their newbie period, and I hope you will be assimilated quickly. I only ask that you appreciate the uniqueness of MeFi and strive to keep it unique and something to be proud to be a member of. Please don't drag it down to the lowest common denominator with FPP's. Good luck!
*cough*
posted by drpartypoopercrankypantsesquire at 9:11 AM on April 6, 2004
Welcome to you all. I have seen most people here go through their newbie period, and I hope you will be assimilated quickly. I only ask that you appreciate the uniqueness of MeFi and strive to keep it unique and something to be proud to be a member of. Please don't drag it down to the lowest common denominator with FPP's. Good luck!
*cough*
posted by drpartypoopercrankypantsesquire at 9:11 AM on April 6, 2004
Lotta hullabaloo for a Forbes article. I gather there would've been an intelligent frame for it, but nonetheless a feature from a glossy Time Warner publication. It's no, um... what's that Flash thing with the weights and the pulleys and the water? That thing.
posted by britain at 9:44 AM on April 6, 2004
posted by britain at 9:44 AM on April 6, 2004
feh. as stated above, numerous times, if i've been waiting since '01 to post in the blue, what's a week more? anyway, i can post whenever i want to. so, neener neener.
make room, mefites - there's a new crowd in town just itchin' to drop a buttload of newsfiltery, double-posty, self-linky, farky, snarky FPPs your way. (woo-hoo! didja see that website that says microsoft sucks? what about that story sayin' bush sucks! wooo!) please go easy on us (by which i mean don't shit on us more than you would on the old-timers. we're tough, we can take it...)
for the record: i intend to keep my contributions to said unacceptable posts as close to zero as humanly possible. we'll see how i do.
posted by caution live frogs at 1:09 PM on April 6, 2004
make room, mefites - there's a new crowd in town just itchin' to drop a buttload of newsfiltery, double-posty, self-linky, farky, snarky FPPs your way. (woo-hoo! didja see that website that says microsoft sucks? what about that story sayin' bush sucks! wooo!) please go easy on us (by which i mean don't shit on us more than you would on the old-timers. we're tough, we can take it...)
for the record: i intend to keep my contributions to said unacceptable posts as close to zero as humanly possible. we'll see how i do.
posted by caution live frogs at 1:09 PM on April 6, 2004
For those who haven't been lurking long enough, here's a convenient collection of links to be avoided at all costs, as well as one of MeFi's Funniest Moments. (I just wish I had an archive of bondcliff's thread, which was even funnier before it got the axe.)
posted by languagehat at 1:34 PM on April 6, 2004
posted by languagehat at 1:34 PM on April 6, 2004
Thanks, languagehat, for the fun trip down crappery lane.
Heh. From that thread, a reminder to some of the new folks, perhaps:
"it is scary how, after observing for too long, you can become the observed. Sometimes I feel like a researcher who got a little too attached to his monkeys, if you know what I mean."
posted by soyjoy at 1:53 PM on April 6, 2004
Heh. From that thread, a reminder to some of the new folks, perhaps:
"it is scary how, after observing for too long, you can become the observed. Sometimes I feel like a researcher who got a little too attached to his monkeys, if you know what I mean."
posted by soyjoy at 1:53 PM on April 6, 2004
bob's first FPP
Congratulations, you are now a part of MetaFilter!
posted by filmgoerjuan at 10:57 PM on April 8, 2004
Congratulations, you are now a part of MetaFilter!
posted by filmgoerjuan at 10:57 PM on April 8, 2004
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posted by reklaw at 11:59 AM on April 4, 2004