Specific recommendations, please October 18, 2005 6:45 PM   Subscribe

This post actively insults anybody who wants to answer the poster's question with a specific recommendation. I'd like to nominate it as the worst answer ever.
posted by I Love Tacos to Etiquette/Policy at 6:45 PM (85 comments total)

Great. I'd like to nominate this as the worst MeTa of the day.
posted by keswick at 6:48 PM on October 18, 2005


Seconded.
posted by yhbc at 6:48 PM on October 18, 2005


uh ... what? Not only is it not actively insulting anyone, it's a useful answer. Going to the concierge is a good idea.
posted by bonaldi at 6:49 PM on October 18, 2005


I almost refrained from posting my recommendations out of some sort of embarassment (Who wants to be accused of "name-dropping"?), but then I realized that this would be a disservice to the original poster.
posted by I Love Tacos at 6:49 PM on October 18, 2005


on post-preview: what they said.
posted by bonaldi at 6:49 PM on October 18, 2005


How is it good advice to insult anybody who thinks of good restaurants that might have an open table?
posted by I Love Tacos at 6:51 PM on October 18, 2005


Wait, this call-out is because of a gentle ribbing at "name-droppers"? It's hardly an insult. It's not even in the same league.

Is I Love Tacos a sock-puppet taking the meta-piss?
posted by bonaldi at 6:53 PM on October 18, 2005


I just don't know.
posted by interrobang at 6:56 PM on October 18, 2005


Yes, this call-out is because Pollomocho actively discouraged useful answers by applying a negative social connotation to the concept of specific recommendations.

In my opinion this is far more obnoxious than the off-topic tangents that routinely draw criticism as being passively unhelpful.
posted by I Love Tacos at 6:59 PM on October 18, 2005


Why do you hate concierges, U Love Tacos?

I assume you were not present for the Great Concierge Riot of 1953 wherein hotels throughout the Canadian West were laid waste by the little known ICEA splinter group "GYOBF (Get Your Own Bag Fuckwit)" who were chased by the mounties off into the wilderness to found their own utopian collective based on Huxley's "Island" and greek mythology, creating strange rituals involving Sysiphusian porting of baggage up and down grueling mountain ascents, only to have the Hells Angels ride in and seduce all the women they had brought with them from the Cocktail Waitress Revolutionary Front, leaving the concierges bitter husks of men who saw no choice but to become bloodthirsty brigands leaving a swathe of destruction on their way south before being destroyed to a man at the US border by CIA agents who had infiltrated the ranks of northward bound pacificts?

So why the hating?
posted by freebird at 6:59 PM on October 18, 2005


Huh? I don't see what is wrong with that post. *squints hard* Still don't see it.
posted by LarryC at 7:00 PM on October 18, 2005


Heh, I was just thinking an hour or so ago what a change it was to have no current flameout/bitchfest/stupid callout on MeTa.

Thanks for bringing things back to normal, I Love Tacos.

Oh, also, the answer was a good one.
posted by dg at 7:03 PM on October 18, 2005


Apparently, LarryC, what's wrong with it is that a potential poster reading it would be so horrified at the thought anyone could possibly think they were (whisper it) name-dropping that they'd run screaming with their restaurant recommendations, and hide under the blankets of social opprobrium. Or something.
posted by bonaldi at 7:03 PM on October 18, 2005


See, this is why the flagging system isn't sufficient.
posted by smackfu at 7:05 PM on October 18, 2005


I Love Tacos, I respect in spirit your well-intended defense of the perceived victims of Pollomacho's comment, but it sounds like you're the only person who took any offense. The comment in question was miles from nasty, and not a big deal.
posted by cortex at 7:10 PM on October 18, 2005


Concierges, as it is well-known, do not love tacos, hence the animosity.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 7:18 PM on October 18, 2005


To be honest, I would have preferred to send Pollomacho a discreet email, but there wasn't one listed on the profile. As such, my choices were an off-topic in-thread post, or this.

I stand by my callout, because the comment made me (and still makes me) feel distinctly uncomfortable posting recommendations for expensive restaurants, despite the original poster specifically noting that all price points are welcome.

I tried to come up with some inexpensive choices to avoid the negative designation, but I failed. NYC doesn't have particularly good tacos.
posted by I Love Tacos at 7:24 PM on October 18, 2005


I Love Tacos: if you're serious, you're the most monumental wanker I've ever encountered in the world, anywhere.
posted by Decani at 7:28 PM on October 18, 2005


"Name-dropper" is really such a weak insult. I'd place it on the level of "know-it-all" and "pedant", where the "insult" will probably be agreed to on some level by the person at whom it is leveled.
posted by 23skidoo at 7:31 PM on October 18, 2005


Decani: I would rather be accused of being the "most monumental wanker I've ever encountered in the world" than be called a name-dropper.

The former implies that you hold me in disdain for your own personal reasons. The latter implies that I have purposefully broken social graces.
posted by I Love Tacos at 7:32 PM on October 18, 2005


The specific problem with being a "name-dropper" is that it indicates that you lack respect the people around you, and are passive-aggressively diminishing them.
posted by I Love Tacos at 7:39 PM on October 18, 2005


I Love Tacos: it sounds to me like your negative reaction is based in no small part on your own way-stronger-than-average feelings about the "name dropper" label. Even imagining that Pollomacho shares that feeling with you and furthermore assumes that the rest of us feel as strongly about it as you and he do, he would be mistaken (so far as I can tell by the general lack of outrage) and so, like I said, the comment was no big deal.

(By contrast, I would take much more offense at the "wanker" label, were I to take any offense at all at insults (perceived or otherwise) on Metafilter. Just A Website and all that, yeah?)

I think you would have been totally justified simply mentioning the good expensive restaurants you had in mind and clarifying that you see no reason to abide by Pollomacho's implications about name-dropping.
posted by cortex at 7:39 PM on October 18, 2005


I love tacos, you sound way too mad at that answer which was a fine answer, and the hyperbole of worst answer is a bit over the top.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 7:46 PM on October 18, 2005


name dropper n : someone who pretends that famous people are his/her friends

wank·er n. Chiefly British Vulgar Slang
1. A person who masturbates.
2. A detestable person.
posted by LarryC at 7:50 PM on October 18, 2005


Cortex: you're right, I could've found a way to poke fun at Pollomacho's remark in my response, and done the job neatly.

mathowie: I'm not particularly upset, I certainly hope I'm not coming across that way. I thought some sort of comment was appropriate, since the remark was not only unhelpful but discouraged further responses.

My summary of pollomacho's post: "me too! anybody who lists a pricy restaurant is a snob."
posted by I Love Tacos at 7:55 PM on October 18, 2005


I Love Tacos : "The specific problem with being a 'name-dropper' is that it indicates that you lack respect the people around you, and are passive-aggressively diminishing them."

Just for reference, I Love Tacos, you're probably not getting a lot of agreement because people probably don't interpret "name-dropper" the way you do. I personally interpret it as "a person who drops famous names in the hopes that they will be seen as famous/important by association". That is, it's not lack of respect for folks around you, but respect for them and lack of respect for yourself, thus the attempt to bring yourself into their esteem by dropping names.

Not sayin' your definition is wrong, but I certainly didn't see it as a big deal because my definition of name dropper isn't nearly as harsh as yours, and I wouldn't be surprised if that was true of some others here.
posted by Bugbread at 8:01 PM on October 18, 2005


Weirdest call out ever.
posted by caddis at 8:09 PM on October 18, 2005


My summary of pollomacho's post: "me too! anybody who lists a pricy restaurant is a snob."

You can be a name-dropper without being a snob. In fact, I'd rarely call someone who was being snobbish a name-dropper. If I were to call someone a name-dropper, it'd be because they associate themselves with what are percieved to be well-known things. I'd call someone a snob who associates himself with what are percieved to be things of high-quality. Snobs only like things that they think other people haven't heard of, name-droppers only like things that they think other people have heard of but not gotten to experience.

I'm generalizing, of course.
posted by 23skidoo at 8:10 PM on October 18, 2005


I took pollomacho's comment to be sarcastic, like:

I can't believe you didn't take the opportunity to show how gustatorially hip you are

again, sarcastically.

he was acknowledging the value of the comment above, and trying to be cute about it. I'm going to go ahead and say that this touched a nerve with you because of some previous experience you had either related to name dropping or something similar, and that you may not even realize that's where your aversion to this post stems from.

also, this statement: As such, my choices were an off-topic in-thread post, or this. is flatly untrue. You could also have flagged it.
posted by shmegegge at 8:25 PM on October 18, 2005


bugbread: there's definitely a definition gap.

Popular opinion seems to be that if Pollomacho meant it as a perjorative, nobody agrees with him. If he didn't, it's unimportant. I can accept that.

----

On the bright side, I love that somebody considers me "the most monumental wanker I've ever encountered in the world." because of this post. If this is true, Decani's life must be completely transcendent.

I'm having fun imagining a world where the absolute worst thing in existence is a discussion about possible rudeness on a website.


-----

I'm going to go ahead and say that this touched a nerve with you because of some previous experience you had either related to name dropping or something similar, and that you may not even realize that's where your aversion to this post stems from.

I know exactly where I get the aversion. It's a guilt about publicly touting something that many people don't have the luxury to enjoy.
posted by I Love Tacos at 8:37 PM on October 18, 2005


(actually... guilt, and fear of condemnation for wastefulness.)
posted by I Love Tacos at 8:42 PM on October 18, 2005


I showed this thread to Bono, and he said not to worry about it.
posted by trondant at 8:45 PM on October 18, 2005


Well, I've kissed Bono. On the lips. In a hotel. Wearing a kilt. (Me, that is, not Bono. My close personal friend, Bono.)
posted by scody at 8:50 PM on October 18, 2005


what was it... four days without a callout of note. whew. Now two in a row. Thought things where a bit slow
posted by edgeways at 8:55 PM on October 18, 2005


WILLIAM FUCKING SHATNER!
posted by loquacious at 8:57 PM on October 18, 2005


Helpful End of Thread Summary:

I Love Tacos: I really think Pollomacho was sniping at GregW and anybody else who might want to mention a high-end restaurant.

Decani: I Love Tacos is the most monumental wanker I've ever encountered in the world, anywhere. (I love this comment, and am not being even slightly sarcastic)

Other Participants: Pollomacho probably didn't mean anything by it, and if he did (which he probably didn't), that's dumb.

Everyone Else: "Celebrity-related non-sequitor!"
posted by I Love Tacos at 9:14 PM on October 18, 2005


I have mad cow.
posted by weretable and the undead chairs at 9:19 PM on October 18, 2005


While we're at it, can anyone explain this:

Have you ever been to Cornet's Pizza 2 blocks north of Colombia University?

(posted on some strange forum)

Have you ever been to Cornet's Pizza 2 blocks north of Colombia University.

Posted in AxMe
posted by Kwantsar at 9:22 PM on October 18, 2005


Kwantsar: that's extraordinarily odd.
posted by I Love Tacos at 9:32 PM on October 18, 2005


Can't explain it nor why you'd think to look for it.
posted by sockpup at 9:32 PM on October 18, 2005


As such, my choices were an off-topic in-thread post, or this. is flatly untrue. You could also have flagged it.

I also could've ignored it. If it had in the blue, it wouldn't have even registered with me, as insults in that forum (real or perceived) don't have any obvious stifling effects. I felt, perhaps incorrectly, that it might have negative effects in the green.

posted by I Love Tacos at 9:49 PM on October 18, 2005


Kwanstar, I can explain it: people who spell "Coronet's" with a 'C' instead of a 'K' (which is the correct spelling) are name-dropping, wanking bots. People who suggest pizza as some of NYC's "best cuisine" are college students or uncultured, lower-class tourists. (Same thing really--repeated for emphasis.)
posted by nixerman at 10:30 PM on October 18, 2005


I stand by my callout, because the comment made me (and still makes me) feel distinctly uncomfortable posting recommendations for expensive restaurants, despite the original poster specifically noting that all price points are welcome.

Was today a bad day or something? You're not usually this weak and oversensitive, not by a longshot. In fact, you've seemed to have a pretty thick skin and take things in good spirits in the past. And now *this* of all things has seriously stung you?

I'll go with bad day.
posted by mediareport at 10:38 PM on October 18, 2005


Each time I've revisited this thread, it's become more clear that I expressed my concern very poorly, and in a manner which made me sound far more upset than was the case. The reasons why I failed are unimportant but it is abundantly clear that I did, in many ways.

I sincerely apologize for being careless with my posts. A few moments of thought earlier in the day could've saved many hours of your collective time. I will be more mindful in the future.

I'd like to buy you all tacos, or burritos if you prefer.
posted by I Love Tacos at 11:19 PM on October 18, 2005


Where from?

[/it's a trap]
posted by 23skidoo at 11:26 PM on October 18, 2005


A chance to spread the word about the little known Concierge Riots of 1953 is never a waste of time. I thank you for this forum.
posted by freebird at 11:26 PM on October 18, 2005


And I thank you for that sad history lesson.

Concierge Riots - We Will Never Forget! *raises fist*
posted by spinifex23 at 12:03 AM on October 19, 2005


I love tacos, too, but not all of the ingredients one sometimes finds in them. Thus, I am choosy in my taco place love. (Am I scandalous for loving Taco Bell. in a guilty pleasure sort of way. not in a "you haven't had tacos till you've had taco bell" kind of way.) So, since you've said that nyc doesn't have particularly good tacos (which is largely true) I would like to recommend a visit to the Sunset Park neighborhood of brooklyn, which has phenomenal tacos. It's almost like the mission district of SF is for burritos, sweartogod.
posted by shmegegge at 12:31 AM on October 19, 2005


I went for a drink with Bono - now he was a monumental wanker...
posted by benzo8 at 1:06 AM on October 19, 2005


Maybe I Love Tacos is communicating to us through some weird time-space tunnel from 1950's America. Pollomacho's answer/comment is innocuous and helpful.

Is it just me, or do some people take AskMe way, way, way too seriously? It's questions and answers. It's a cute sideshow. It is where the clueless meet the certain. It most definitely is not a place to worry that someone, while being helpful, is treading upon your ideals of "social graces". If we worried about things as minor as 'oh, I mustn't accuse my colleagues of something as heinous as name-dropping', soon conversations here would be utterly dry, emotionless, and academic. It's 2005. Offensiveness hardly has meaning anymore.
posted by blacklite at 3:47 AM on October 19, 2005


I'd like to nominate it as the worst answer ever.

You missed Mayor Curley's (now deleted) one about the dog at the Muslim dinner, then. :)
posted by Optimus Chyme at 4:41 AM on October 19, 2005


People who suggest pizza as some of NYC's "best cuisine" are college students or uncultured, lower-class tourists. (Same thing really--repeated for emphasis.)

Bullshit.
posted by spaghetti at 5:47 AM on October 19, 2005


Kwanstar -- seriously, why did you google that? I can't figure out what's weirder, the comment or the googling.
posted by Mid at 5:52 AM on October 19, 2005


Another fly lands on the head of the emaciated donkey tied to a post that is Metatalk.
posted by fire&wings at 6:07 AM on October 19, 2005


If the tacos are fish tacos and from Santa Barbara then I'm down with the makeup tacos. But I'll need a ride from VT. Anyone else going?

Mmmmm, tacos.

I thought the callout was silly, but I completely see how this sort of question might rub someone the wrong way. Oh, and all that sweet talk from Decani makes me jealous.
posted by terrapin at 6:18 AM on October 19, 2005


I would like to recommend a visit to the Sunset Park neighborhood of brooklyn, which has phenomenal tacos.

Any particular taqueria to visit, once I'm in Sunset Park? My username is extremely accurate, so I'm quite excited about the possibilities.

all that sweet talk from Decani makes me jealous.

Sorry Terrapin. Decani has run into both of us, and he declared me to be the most monumental wanker in the world, anywhere. I wish you the best of luck finding an anti-muse of your own.
posted by I Love Tacos at 6:42 AM on October 19, 2005


People who suggest pizza as some of NYC's "best cuisine" are college students or uncultured, lower-class tourists

WTF? Pizza is some of NYC's best cuisine; aside from New Haven, NYC has the best pizza in America, and no one who loves pizza should leave New York without having visited John's, Totonno's, or one of the other really great pizzerias. The recommendation of some crappy pizza-by-the-slice place near Columbia was out of place because it was for bad pizza, not because it was for pizza. And I don't find Kwantsar's googling particularly odd; the comment was so weirdly out of place it did sound like spam (and apparently was).
posted by languagehat at 6:48 AM on October 19, 2005


no one who loves pizza should leave New York without having visited Brooklyn.[edited for accuracy]

More specifically, I'd recommend a pizza lover to Grimaldi's, Di Fara or a sicilian at L&B Spumoni Gardens.
posted by I Love Tacos at 7:11 AM on October 19, 2005


Though to be honest, I would only recommend pizza to pizza lovers, and very serious food lovers. It's too easy to underappreciate.
posted by I Love Tacos at 7:15 AM on October 19, 2005


I Love Tacos, I absolutely agree with your recommendations, but I would point out that 1) Brooklyn is part of NYC and 2) Totonno's is in Brooklyn. And anyone who doesn't appreciate great pizza isn't a true food-lover in my book .
posted by languagehat at 7:27 AM on October 19, 2005


Yes, this call-out is because Pollomocho actively discouraged useful answers by applying a negative social connotation to the concept of specific recommendations.

I really think Pollomacho was sniping at GregW and anybody else who might want to mention a high-end restaurant.

Wow... this is... I... wow.

I certainly meant no insult, to anyone. You may also have noticed that I actively encouraged useful answers by dropping the very first name. With my comment I was actually just seconding the logic of Nelson's answer and at the same time jabbing myself for giving up a name rather than just suggesting the petitioner go to the person paid (well) by their hotel (and the restaurants) to do exactly what we were attempting to do from our armchairs.

If anyone took offense, I really am sorry!

I never thought in a million years that this would be my first call out! I always figured it would be for something where I really was trying to be snippy!
posted by Pollomacho at 7:31 AM on October 19, 2005


the best tacos i ever had came from a truck at the corner of columbus and 96th, a truck called "super taco." their chorizo tacos are not to be missed.

great thread, guyz. i haven't had a good taco discussion in a long time.
posted by slogger at 7:32 AM on October 19, 2005


People who suggest pizza as some of NYC's "best cuisine" are college students or uncultured, lower-class tourists - nixerman

I think I'm going to label you a square.

Some of the best food in New York City comes in pizza form. New York City has a wide variety of food choices that fit every budget, style, and taste. Just because you believe that pizza isn't part of NYC's best cuisine doesn't mean it's not. It just shows that you're definition of cuisine is so uptight and narrowminded that you're opinion on any kind of food choice should be questioned and confronted.

I'll second languagehat. If you love pizza, new york has some of the best pizza on the planet.

and don't get me started on if you had dissed hot dogs....
posted by Stynxno at 7:32 AM on October 19, 2005


I don't agree with this proposal.
posted by rocketman at 7:45 AM on October 19, 2005


I lived around the corner from Coronet when I was in college at [that university that is around there] in the 80s. The slices were indeed huge, but damn that was some crappy pizza. I can't imagine it's gotten any better since then.
posted by matildaben at 8:10 AM on October 19, 2005


anyone who doesn't appreciate great pizza isn't a true food-lover in my book // and don't get me started on if you had dissed hot dogs....

I heartily agree with both of the above sentiments. Great food comes in many forms, and at almost every price point. The world is sadly full of people who judge things almost solely by appearance.

As such, I tend to give restaurant recommendations that will please both the shallow and the deep.

1) Brooklyn is part of NYC
I didn't mean to imply otherwise.

2) Totonno's is in Brooklyn.
Oops. I only knew of the Manhattan location (and didn't know there was more than one!) I should really give it a visit before declaring it inferior to my favorites.

posted by I Love Tacos at 8:10 AM on October 19, 2005


I certainly meant no insult, to anyone.

My apologies for adding some unfortunate surreality to your MetaFilter experience.

Thank you for the clarification.
posted by I Love Tacos at 8:12 AM on October 19, 2005


All I can say is:

At least you have pizza!!! At least you have Tacos!!! I live in Raleigh and all we have is deep-fried moon pies and I'm scared to try them. Help!!!
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 8:39 AM on October 19, 2005


I had a terrible hotdog in Chicago one time. It was terrible.
posted by cortex at 8:47 AM on October 19, 2005


The best hot dogs are the ones you can buy in Tijuana from the dudes with the little push carts. THEY COME WRAPPED IN BACON!
posted by Mr T at 9:43 AM on October 19, 2005


No matter how drunk one may be, never, never eat a Lucky Dog in New Orleans. I imagine this is particularly true now.
posted by Pollomacho at 9:48 AM on October 19, 2005


For the record, I say I Love Tacos is spot-on here. As a frequent participant on online restaurant-discussion forums, I know that if someone asks for a restaurant recommendation, you fucking name some good restaurants he could maybe try. It isn't "name dropping" and I thought it was ridiculous to characterize it as such.
posted by rxrfrx at 9:49 AM on October 19, 2005


Good tacos can be found in Astoria, too...

(and SLoG, I don't know from tacos in Raleigh, but Los Tres Magueyes or however they spell it is a local chain of pretty good Mexican places. I bet you can get some good tacos in the little food stands near the big flea markets downtown -- that was my taco-hunting strategy when I lived in Atlanta, and it worked pretty well.)
posted by Vidiot at 9:55 AM on October 19, 2005


I don't think Katrina could have made Lucky Dogs any worse. She might have cleaned them off a bit, actually.
posted by brundlefly at 9:57 AM on October 19, 2005


Actually, I'd recommend SW Connecticut as a hot dog mecca. (Something felt odd about typing the phrase "hot dog Mecca" just now.) Super Duper Weenie and Swanky Frank's are both worth a trip.
posted by Vidiot at 10:01 AM on October 19, 2005


I thought Super Duper Weenie was really disappointing. Their homemade relish needed a lot of salt, and the fries were undercooked and greasy.
posted by rxrfrx at 10:23 AM on October 19, 2005


Tacos in NYC are definitely dubious, but Tehuitzingo (a bodega at 47th st/10th ave) is pretty god damn good. Their chorizo con papas torta is stellar, as are the lengua and carnitas tacos.

[/offtopic]
posted by fet at 10:24 AM on October 19, 2005


I have tickets to this year's hyperbole...
posted by nthdegx at 10:37 AM on October 19, 2005


MetaTalk: My apologies for adding some unfortunate surreality to your MetaFilter experience.

NYC has had great tacos for at least a dozen years (since the massive influx of Mexicans in the '90s); you just have to know where to look. Hint: cheap is good; go where the Mexicans go. In Manhattan, I used to swear by Los Dos Rancheros Mexicanos at 507 Ninth Avenue, but I haven't been there in a while and don't know if they're still as good as ever.
posted by languagehat at 10:46 AM on October 19, 2005


I am eating Taco Bell tacos right now.

I have mad cow.
posted by weretable and the undead chairs at 10:49 AM on October 19, 2005


if someone asks for a restaurant recommendation, you fucking name some good restaurants he could maybe try. It isn't "name dropping" and I thought it was ridiculous to characterize it as such.

We're in complete agreement, but I screwed the pooch when it came to effectively arguing this point.

Additionally, I didn't foresee that people would offer the counter-argument that accusations of name-dropping aren't offensive.

As such, I've waved the white flag, and am happy to salvage some taco recommendations.
posted by I Love Tacos at 11:08 AM on October 19, 2005


What makes weretable and the undead chairs any different from the rest of the name-dropping pizza haters here?

He has mad cow.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 11:17 AM on October 19, 2005


Let me just clear something up here, I didn't accuse anyone of name dropping and further I dropped a name myself. I agree with the premise of the ILT argument as well, but really, that wasn't what I was doing.

The question was more than just, "what are some good places to eat in Manhattan?" When Nelson made the suggestion to see the concierge, well, I thought, "you know, that really is the most logical thing for someone that is in the situation described" and so I seconded Nelson in my own attempted, self-deprecating, sarcastic way, that somehow and unfortunately translated badly. I'm sorry that my sarcasm didn't come through, if I had to do it all over I would have maybe left off the "name dropping" line, but really I never imagined that someone would find my comment to be accusatory, particularly after I was the very first person to drop a name in the thread!

In honor of you all I had tacos for lunch. They were good.
posted by Pollomacho at 11:50 AM on October 19, 2005


[this is dumb]
posted by mischief at 12:04 PM on October 19, 2005


Pollomacho: I didn't mean to drown in a bowl of soup, but that's precisely what I did. Alas.

I'm glad to hear you had tacos for lunch. It's good to see something beautiful spring from something ugly.
posted by I Love Tacos at 12:13 PM on October 19, 2005


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