New information with plenty of evidence to back it up? October 15, 2001 9:21 PM   Subscribe

PLEASE: If you're posting something related to the recent WTC attacks Current Situation, try and make sure it's new information? And if so, is the URL you are linking to contain new information with plenty of evidence to back it up?

posted by machaus to Etiquette/Policy at 9:21 PM (18 comments total)

Am I wrong to be upset by unsubstantiated conspiracy theories?
posted by machaus at 9:22 PM on October 15, 2001

I don't think you are wrong, I get tired of the same stuff rehashed eveyday. But my opinion and a couple of dollars might buy you a latte, if you are into coffee.
posted by bjgeiger at 9:52 PM on October 15, 2001

Personally, I prefer the tinfoil hat WTC links over the see-I'm-right-you-fuckers WTC links.
posted by rcade at 10:04 PM on October 15, 2001

I agree there are way too many Current WTC "War on Terrorism" Situation posts, but isn't the primary criteria interesting links to lesser-known or unlikely sources, not "new information", which will just encourage the Newsfi and water-cooler trends.
posted by liam at 11:38 PM on October 15, 2001

After all, the thread did see a variation of the "stupid" theme in the second comment. Apparently it's another opportunity for the glories of deep and thoughtful analysis by our stalwart group of conspiracy buffs.
I hate getting suckered into these threads like I get suckered into actually opening those religious pamphlets that get left on my windshield every once in awhile. I feel so dirty.
and stupid.
posted by dness2 at 11:50 PM on October 15, 2001

I do have the background to know what I'm talking about. My original point in posting was an attempt to: a) point out some alternative analysis of these incidents that leads to domestic terrorism (and not just blindly accept the Administration's spin-attempts), especially after today's revealed attacks; and b) engender commentary and informational links on whether, if these are right-wing domestic linked incidents, the President and Attorney General will prosecute these people with as much fervor as they are prosecuting the attacks on Afghanistan. Not to promote some 'conspiracy' theory, sorry. ^_^

posted by SenshiNeko at 1:14 AM on October 16, 2001

But the Jack Chick ones? People collect those... And some of them are as timely and timeless as the posts on 'Filter
posted by y2karl at 1:22 AM on October 16, 2001

I do have the background to know what I'm talking about.

It sounds like you're jumping up and down and crying, 'but I am a spy, no really, I'm a spy, c'mon guys, take me seriously..'

Gads, I'm cranky. Either I need more sleep or more examples of the rapier wit I've come to expect out of MeFi. These endless threads calling for nothing more than futile speculation are getting me down. Where are all the intelligent humorists? Are there secret MeFi rooms out there where the good threads and funny people are hiding?

posted by dness2 at 1:57 AM on October 16, 2001

when did MeFi go from webloggers and geeks to crackpots and freaks?
posted by Mick at 2:19 AM on October 16, 2001

About the time I got insomnia and addicted to MeFi, sorry to say...
everyone else went on the 12 step program and left us alone at the needle exchange.
posted by dness2 at 3:18 AM on October 16, 2001

when did MeFi go from webloggers and geeks to crackpots and freaks?

I don't follow.

Are Mick, are you commenting on the internal-policing efforts? or MeFi in general?
posted by a11an at 5:18 AM on October 16, 2001

When was MeFi ever about webloggers and geeks?
posted by crunchland at 5:46 AM on October 16, 2001

when did MeFi go from webloggers and geeks to crackpots and freaks?

It's pretty simple: the more public opinion solidifies against the ultraleft, the angrier and shriller they get. (Just like the permanently-marginalized ultraright have always been.) Imagine what they're going through right now. Bush's approval around 95%, American flags everywhere they look, most of the moderate liberals that at least sided with them on some issues having "sold them out" ... they're getting backed into a corner, and they're losing their minds over it. This isn't merely not the way things were supposed to work out; it's turned into their worst nightmares come alive.

And no, I'm not talking about the mere Gore partisans, such as those who make up a huge majority of MeFi posters; most of them have quite obviously joined forces with the moderates and conservatives WRT the current situation, as they have all over the country. I mean the really off-on-the-edge-of-a-precipice far left types, with some small number of the truly angriest, bitterist Bush haters mixed in ... the sort of people who literally have trouble getting to sleep at night because they're so angry that their guy lost to That Bozo. The sort of people that post on These types will indeed start to embrace kooky conspiracy theories when the going gets really tough, just as all unhinged people do when their worldview starts to crash down around them; it's the only way they can hold onto any bit of sanity.
posted by aaron at 6:12 AM on October 16, 2001

A little histrionic on your part there, but fair enough, aaron. I think what you're forgetting, though, is that there are a fairly significant number of participants here on MeFi who aren't actually American (and we do like to remind you folks of that at every available opportunity, yes, I know). I'm not really sure what the ultraleft is, or who the Bush-haters are, particularly here on MeFi, but I would imagine a fair number of them are not Actually American.

It's possible that a significant portion of those people tend to see a slightly larger picture than the Keystone Kops American Election and all the deep divisiveness that you so eloquently describe which has arisen as a result of it.

Certainly it can be argued that the ramifications of an American presidential election echo around the world, but us filthy foreigners still, repeatedly, request that, just for a moment, America raises its collective head out of the duck blind and has a look around at the rest of the world. In order to do something other than bomb the shit out of someone, at least.

I would be very afraid right now, if I were an American. Not of planes hurtling out of the sky, or of Anthrax (the band or the disease), but of, well, this, for example.

Left and right. Liberal and conservative. Interesting ideas.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 6:43 AM on October 16, 2001

I don't really care if Senshineko is really Don Rumsfield, that's not the point. The point is that editiorializing within posts is fruitless. Perhaps I hold MetaFilter to a higher socratic model, but conjecture about cloudy seperate events does nothing to help give a better picture of what is going on. No, I don't ingest everything the government or media feeds me, but I'd sure like to see some hard facts before I travel down an Oliver Stonesque witch hunt. Wow, that's my best mixed metaphor yet...
posted by machaus at 7:43 AM on October 16, 2001

Bad wonderchicken! Bad! No more posting while inebriated! Bad!

Sorry, machaus. Point taken. I lost the plot there for a bit.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 8:43 AM on October 16, 2001

aaron, careful you don't drop any of those strawmen you're juggling ...
posted by walrus at 10:03 AM on October 16, 2001

when did MeFi go from webloggers and geeks to crackpots and freaks?

Same folks, different hats.
posted by rushmc at 5:31 PM on October 16, 2001

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