triple post and no follow-through November 6, 2006 9:12 AM Subscribe
So I take it that the military endorsement for Rummy's resignation, as triple posted in the blue over the weekend, never materialized?
Also, it was a private newspaper aimed at military, not the military itself.
posted by mathowie (staff) at 9:19 AM on November 6, 2006
posted by mathowie (staff) at 9:19 AM on November 6, 2006
Jinx.
posted by Faint of Butt at 9:20 AM on November 6, 2006
posted by Faint of Butt at 9:20 AM on November 6, 2006
I'm tempted to mark this MeTa as a favorite now...
posted by clevershark at 9:25 AM on November 6, 2006
posted by clevershark at 9:25 AM on November 6, 2006
Our attention span really isn't able to support scandals that break on Friday but don't pay off until monday.
Besides, didn't you hear? HUSSEIN SADDAMNED TO HELL MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
posted by hermitosis at 9:26 AM on November 6, 2006
Besides, didn't you hear? HUSSEIN SADDAMNED TO HELL MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
posted by hermitosis at 9:26 AM on November 6, 2006
c:\awesome : "the military endorsement for Rummy's resignation, as triple posted in the blue over the weekend, never materialized?"
Links? I know of a multiple posting of a newspapers' endorsement, but this is the first I hear of a military endorsement.
posted by Bugbread at 9:34 AM on November 6, 2006
Links? I know of a multiple posting of a newspapers' endorsement, but this is the first I hear of a military endorsement.
posted by Bugbread at 9:34 AM on November 6, 2006
in unrelated chatter, here in michigan governor jennifer granholm is being challenged by dick devos (the son of one of the founders of the most successful pyramid scam ever). up until last night my favorite campaign slogan so far, seen on the bumper of a monster truck, was DICK DEVOS BEFORE HE DICKS YOU. i did however run into a guy wearing a button last night which read:
VOTE FOR THE CHICK
NOT FOR THE DICK
posted by quonsar at 9:35 AM on November 6, 2006 [1 favorite]
VOTE FOR THE CHICK
NOT FOR THE DICK
posted by quonsar at 9:35 AM on November 6, 2006 [1 favorite]
In the town where my parents grew up, a well-known local named Salvatore Cite (his last name was something like that, I don't remember for sure), known as Sal Shitty, ran for mayor under the slogan: "Save the City, Vote for Shitty." He won too.
posted by Falconetti at 9:39 AM on November 6, 2006
posted by Falconetti at 9:39 AM on November 6, 2006
haha teh Rummy did resign stupid! Read all about it here.
posted by Mister_A at 10:02 AM on November 6, 2006 [1 favorite]
posted by Mister_A at 10:02 AM on November 6, 2006 [1 favorite]
Also, it was a private newspaper aimed at military, not the military itself.
A private newspaper which has already called for Rumsfeld's resignation in the past, if I understand correctly.
posted by winston at 10:23 AM on November 6, 2006
A private newspaper which has already called for Rumsfeld's resignation in the past, if I understand correctly.
posted by winston at 10:23 AM on November 6, 2006
up until last night my favorite campaign slogan so far, seen on the bumper of a monster truck, was DICK DEVOS BEFORE HE DICKS YOU.
C'mon, q, you're old enough to know that's a recycled slogan from Nixon days.
VOTE FOR THE CHICK
NOT FOR THE DICK
Now, that's pure genius.
posted by languagehat at 10:27 AM on November 6, 2006
C'mon, q, you're old enough to know that's a recycled slogan from Nixon days.
VOTE FOR THE CHICK
NOT FOR THE DICK
Now, that's pure genius.
posted by languagehat at 10:27 AM on November 6, 2006
When David Duke ran for governor of Louisiana, a popular bumper sticker read "Vote for the Crook. It's Important." the crook being Duke's opponent Edwin Edwards.
posted by timeistight at 10:42 AM on November 6, 2006
posted by timeistight at 10:42 AM on November 6, 2006
C'mon, q, you're old enough to know that's a recycled slogan from Nixon days.
posted by languagehat
I remember when CREEP (Committee to ReElect the President) was trying to come up with slogans for Nixon.
One that the other side came up with was:
Don't change Dicks in the middle of a screw.
It's a sad commentary on today's events that I am nostalgic for Richard Nixon.
posted by leftcoastbob at 11:16 AM on November 6, 2006
posted by languagehat
I remember when CREEP (Committee to ReElect the President) was trying to come up with slogans for Nixon.
One that the other side came up with was:
Don't change Dicks in the middle of a screw.
It's a sad commentary on today's events that I am nostalgic for Richard Nixon.
posted by leftcoastbob at 11:16 AM on November 6, 2006
I have no fucking clue why that Friday news story got so misinterpreted by so many people... I'm worried that you people are going to vote or something.
posted by gsteff at 11:24 AM on November 6, 2006
posted by gsteff at 11:24 AM on November 6, 2006
I have no fucking clue why that Friday news story got so misinterpreted by so many people
Because the original post was actually pretty unclear. If you read the link, you'd get what was going on, but if you just read the post you'd have a completely different idea.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 12:39 PM on November 6, 2006
Because the original post was actually pretty unclear. If you read the link, you'd get what was going on, but if you just read the post you'd have a completely different idea.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 12:39 PM on November 6, 2006
dick devos (the son of one of the founders of the most successful pyramid scam ever)
DEVO?
posted by nasreddin at 1:08 PM on November 6, 2006
DEVO?
posted by nasreddin at 1:08 PM on November 6, 2006
IMG TAG PLS
posted by StrasbourgSecaucus at 1:38 PM on November 6, 2006
posted by StrasbourgSecaucus at 1:38 PM on November 6, 2006
Also from the La. Edwards vs. Duke campaign - "Vote for the Lizard, Not the Wizard"
posted by Carbolic at 1:43 PM on November 6, 2006
posted by Carbolic at 1:43 PM on November 6, 2006
ARE WE NOT META? OH OH OH!
posted by loquacious at 1:53 PM on November 6, 2006
posted by loquacious at 1:53 PM on November 6, 2006
> DICK DEVOS BEFORE HE DICKS YOU.
I was having lunch with a buddy yesterday and he said that there were REPUBLICANS FOR GRANHOLM billboards all over Detroit. I had never heard of it until that moment, but by that evening I saw two bumper stickers and a few more yard signs.
And since I live in a college town, the buildings have stencil posters of Dick wearing the flowerpot hat with WE ARE DEVOS.
This is the weirdest election ever.
posted by ardgedee at 2:06 PM on November 6, 2006
I was having lunch with a buddy yesterday and he said that there were REPUBLICANS FOR GRANHOLM billboards all over Detroit. I had never heard of it until that moment, but by that evening I saw two bumper stickers and a few more yard signs.
And since I live in a college town, the buildings have stencil posters of Dick wearing the flowerpot hat with WE ARE DEVOS.
This is the weirdest election ever.
posted by ardgedee at 2:06 PM on November 6, 2006
Because the original post was actually pretty unclear. If you read the link, you'd get what was going on, but if you just read the post you'd have a completely different idea.
Well, gosh, you have to read stuff? There's my problem, I guess.
Because the original post was actually pretty unclear.
What exactly was unclear? The military Times papers speak for the military the way the Wall Street Journal speaks for investors. They are not gonna go out on a limb like this if they weren't damn sure that the prevailing attitude of the rank-and-file was with them. Anyhow, the links explained the situation.
The post got scrubbed for "DailyKosfilter". I mentioned DailyKos, but I linked to MSNBC and the San Fran Gate. Within the hour, the story was picked up by The Cleveland Plain Dealer and CNN.
Today, both George Allen and Jim Webb were asked to comment on this issue by reporters on both ends of the state. This has been a topic of discussion on TV and radio for three days now. And there were 80 comments before the post was deleted, so obviously people wanted to discuss it.
On top of all that, the whole post was summed up by the question of how GW could deal with it? I was merely trying to start a discussion. DailyKos, and an overly semantic dissection of the word "military" killed it.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 3:46 PM on November 6, 2006
Well, gosh, you have to read stuff? There's my problem, I guess.
Because the original post was actually pretty unclear.
What exactly was unclear? The military Times papers speak for the military the way the Wall Street Journal speaks for investors. They are not gonna go out on a limb like this if they weren't damn sure that the prevailing attitude of the rank-and-file was with them. Anyhow, the links explained the situation.
The post got scrubbed for "DailyKosfilter". I mentioned DailyKos, but I linked to MSNBC and the San Fran Gate. Within the hour, the story was picked up by The Cleveland Plain Dealer and CNN.
Today, both George Allen and Jim Webb were asked to comment on this issue by reporters on both ends of the state. This has been a topic of discussion on TV and radio for three days now. And there were 80 comments before the post was deleted, so obviously people wanted to discuss it.
On top of all that, the whole post was summed up by the question of how GW could deal with it? I was merely trying to start a discussion. DailyKos, and an overly semantic dissection of the word "military" killed it.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 3:46 PM on November 6, 2006
For christ's sake, mefi is not a political news forum. That we sometimes end up talking about it does not make talking about it what we're here for, anymore than a drunken college student humping a Ronald McDonald statue's face make said statue a Humping Depot.
posted by cortex at 3:51 PM on November 6, 2006
posted by cortex at 3:51 PM on November 6, 2006
The post got scrubbed for "DailyKosfilter". I mentioned DailyKos
Your main link went to Daily Kos, actually. The text of that main link was unclear to a bunch of people. I would have loved if there was a great post about this topic, but there wasn't. Just wanting to kick off a discussion and tossing in any old links (and adding NEWSFILTER in allcaps) isn't a great way to make a post about a hot news topic on MetaFilter. Breaking news type posts are often some of the weakest ones here because people feel they need to rush to get something posted. If you feel your topic is really important, take the time to make a really great post about it.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 3:57 PM on November 6, 2006
Your main link went to Daily Kos, actually. The text of that main link was unclear to a bunch of people. I would have loved if there was a great post about this topic, but there wasn't. Just wanting to kick off a discussion and tossing in any old links (and adding NEWSFILTER in allcaps) isn't a great way to make a post about a hot news topic on MetaFilter. Breaking news type posts are often some of the weakest ones here because people feel they need to rush to get something posted. If you feel your topic is really important, take the time to make a really great post about it.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 3:57 PM on November 6, 2006
For christ's sake, mefi is not a political news forum.
I don't need the lecture, thanks. I've been coming here for more than six years, so I have an idea of what MeFi "is". This post just happened to be political. So what?
posted by Benny Andajetz at 3:58 PM on November 6, 2006
I don't need the lecture, thanks. I've been coming here for more than six years, so I have an idea of what MeFi "is". This post just happened to be political. So what?
posted by Benny Andajetz at 3:58 PM on November 6, 2006
Thanks, jessamyn, for the explanation. I will endeavor to do better next time. I really didn't know newsfilter had such a negative connotation.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 4:02 PM on November 6, 2006
posted by Benny Andajetz at 4:02 PM on November 6, 2006
member since: November 19, 2004
posted by StrasbourgSecaucus at 4:03 PM on November 6, 2006
posted by StrasbourgSecaucus at 4:03 PM on November 6, 2006
How could you be here for six years and not have been exposed to the endless whinging about newsfilter and the general consensus that it has negative connotations?
posted by Falconetti at 4:05 PM on November 6, 2006
posted by Falconetti at 4:05 PM on November 6, 2006
How could you be here for six years and not have been exposed to the endless whinging about newsfilter and the general consensus that it has negative connotations?
To be honest, I never really read MetaTalk. Didn't really feel the need to go off the Blue. Now I know different.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 4:07 PM on November 6, 2006
To be honest, I never really read MetaTalk. Didn't really feel the need to go off the Blue. Now I know different.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 4:07 PM on November 6, 2006
You are a better person for avoiding MetaTalk, actually.
posted by Falconetti at 4:12 PM on November 6, 2006
posted by Falconetti at 4:12 PM on November 6, 2006
Now you're one of us.
posted by boo_radley at 4:22 PM on November 6, 2006
posted by boo_radley at 4:22 PM on November 6, 2006
It twists and corrupts a person. It latches its hook into your flesh. You find yourself reading the grey more and more, and the blue less and less. Soon you realize that you don't type "metafilter" into your location bar anymore; you type "metatalk".
posted by cortex at 4:23 PM on November 6, 2006
posted by cortex at 4:23 PM on November 6, 2006
Benny Andajetz writes "I was merely trying to start a discussion."
That was your 2nd mistake.
posted by peacay at 4:56 PM on November 6, 2006
That was your 2nd mistake.
posted by peacay at 4:56 PM on November 6, 2006
So I take it that the military endorsement for Rummy's resignation, as triple posted in the blue over the weekend, never materialized?
1) it wasn't the military
2) it had already happened by the time the first link was posted.
Conclusion: You = stupid.
posted by delmoi at 5:22 PM on November 6, 2006
1) it wasn't the military
2) it had already happened by the time the first link was posted.
Conclusion: You = stupid.
posted by delmoi at 5:22 PM on November 6, 2006
member since: November 19, 2004
posted by StrasbourgSecaucus
2nd account.
posted by Benny Andajetz
I've pretty much learned that metafilter doesn't get any true new members. Seems like everyone from 15000 and on 'lurked for years'. Not that I believe any of them.
posted by justgary at 5:31 PM on November 6, 2006
posted by StrasbourgSecaucus
2nd account.
posted by Benny Andajetz
I've pretty much learned that metafilter doesn't get any true new members. Seems like everyone from 15000 and on 'lurked for years'. Not that I believe any of them.
posted by justgary at 5:31 PM on November 6, 2006
He's got a user name
That's not the same
You know I read it in the grey-eeee-ohhhh
B-B-B-Benny Andajetz
posted by mr_crash_davis at 5:49 PM on November 6, 2006
That's not the same
You know I read it in the grey-eeee-ohhhh
B-B-B-Benny Andajetz
posted by mr_crash_davis at 5:49 PM on November 6, 2006
I had to lurk for at least several months because I couldn't sign up for an account.
posted by delmoi at 6:04 PM on November 6, 2006
posted by delmoi at 6:04 PM on November 6, 2006
Benny Andajetz, your FPP said: NEWSFILTER: Military Wants Rummy Gone. Now you say, The military Times papers speak for the military...
Both statements are just wrong.
The first statement is so wrong, it's dangerous. Do you have any idea what would happen to our constitutional republic if our active-duty military ever thought they could challenge their civilian leadership as you suggest?
The second statement wouldn't be so dangerous if it weren't the mistake that led you to make the first. The various military Times newspapers are targeted to members of the military; but, there's just no way they speak for the active military.
What is significant is that the military Times papers think they can print this sort of editorial without losing money...because things are...bad enough, and that DOD thought they needed to reply. That was pretty cool.
posted by taosbat at 6:18 PM on November 6, 2006 [2 favorites]
Both statements are just wrong.
The first statement is so wrong, it's dangerous. Do you have any idea what would happen to our constitutional republic if our active-duty military ever thought they could challenge their civilian leadership as you suggest?
The second statement wouldn't be so dangerous if it weren't the mistake that led you to make the first. The various military Times newspapers are targeted to members of the military; but, there's just no way they speak for the active military.
What is significant is that the military Times papers think they can print this sort of editorial without losing money...because things are...bad enough, and that DOD thought they needed to reply. That was pretty cool.
posted by taosbat at 6:18 PM on November 6, 2006 [2 favorites]
I lurked since some time in 2000.
But, anyway, I'm under the understanding that these papers did the same thing several years ago, no? What makes it such a big deal this time, and not the last time they did it?
posted by Bugbread at 6:39 PM on November 6, 2006
But, anyway, I'm under the understanding that these papers did the same thing several years ago, no? What makes it such a big deal this time, and not the last time they did it?
posted by Bugbread at 6:39 PM on November 6, 2006
Bugbread: there are two answers to your question.
1. It isn't a big deal.
2. It's a big deal because anything, anything, that potentially represents any kind of trouble or setback or problem for Bush is critically important.
posted by Steven C. Den Beste at 6:44 PM on November 6, 2006
1. It isn't a big deal.
2. It's a big deal because anything, anything, that potentially represents any kind of trouble or setback or problem for Bush is critically important.
posted by Steven C. Den Beste at 6:44 PM on November 6, 2006
The military Times papers speak for the military...
Both statements are just wrong.
That ellipsis deletes the second half of the sentence, which kinda completed the thought. The Times papers are targeted publications and, by necessity, spend most of their time preaching to, and about, the choir. I stand by my statement that they would not do this if they didn't believe they had the troops on their side. Jim Webb (decorated Marine and former Secty. of the Navy) said as much today, for what it's worth. And in a democracy such as ours, challenging power can, and does take place;our troops are required to refuse illegal orders, for example.
What makes it such a big deal this time, and not the last time they did it?
Uhh, because it's now and not then.
Alright, I give up defending this thing. Some people got it and some people still don't.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 7:00 PM on November 6, 2006
Both statements are just wrong.
That ellipsis deletes the second half of the sentence, which kinda completed the thought. The Times papers are targeted publications and, by necessity, spend most of their time preaching to, and about, the choir. I stand by my statement that they would not do this if they didn't believe they had the troops on their side. Jim Webb (decorated Marine and former Secty. of the Navy) said as much today, for what it's worth. And in a democracy such as ours, challenging power can, and does take place;our troops are required to refuse illegal orders, for example.
What makes it such a big deal this time, and not the last time they did it?
Uhh, because it's now and not then.
Alright, I give up defending this thing. Some people got it and some people still don't.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 7:00 PM on November 6, 2006
That ellipsis deletes the second half of the sentence, which kinda completed the thought.
What does the second half of a sentence matter when the first half is nonsense?
posted by taosbat at 8:30 PM on November 6, 2006
What does the second half of a sentence matter when the first half is nonsense?
posted by taosbat at 8:30 PM on November 6, 2006
I lurked for almost two years before the combination of me deciding I had something to say and MeFi membership being open combined like a Zodiac sign.
I think the original FPP was fine, except for the fact that it quickly devolved into an argument over how it wasn't really a real military publication.
I'm calling this new (normally Republican) logical fallacy reducto ad ignoratus. For example:
D: The ice caps are melting, and that's bad.
R: No one really knows if they're melting. And even if they are, no one really knows what the consequences will be, and even if they're later proved to be bad, it was bound to happen anyway, regardless of our actions, and even if it's later proved that it's a direct consequence of our actions, there's nothing you can do about it now, and even if there is something that can be done about it, I don't wanna.
Reducto ad ignoratus.
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 8:46 PM on November 6, 2006 [2 favorites]
I think the original FPP was fine, except for the fact that it quickly devolved into an argument over how it wasn't really a real military publication.
I'm calling this new (normally Republican) logical fallacy reducto ad ignoratus. For example:
D: The ice caps are melting, and that's bad.
R: No one really knows if they're melting. And even if they are, no one really knows what the consequences will be, and even if they're later proved to be bad, it was bound to happen anyway, regardless of our actions, and even if it's later proved that it's a direct consequence of our actions, there's nothing you can do about it now, and even if there is something that can be done about it, I don't wanna.
Reducto ad ignoratus.
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 8:46 PM on November 6, 2006 [2 favorites]
It's a sad commentary on today's events that I am nostalgic for Richard Nixon.
I have a nice collection of Nixon memorabelia and wore various CREEP buttons around Washington during the 2004 run up. Got a lot of strange looks, especially for the "President Nixon, Now more than ever!" buttons.
posted by Pollomacho at 10:48 PM on November 6, 2006
I have a nice collection of Nixon memorabelia and wore various CREEP buttons around Washington during the 2004 run up. Got a lot of strange looks, especially for the "President Nixon, Now more than ever!" buttons.
posted by Pollomacho at 10:48 PM on November 6, 2006
Benny Andajetz : "The Times papers are targeted publications and, by necessity, spend most of their time preaching to, and about, the choir. I stand by my statement that they would not do this if they didn't believe they had the troops on their side...
Well, by that logic, the military has been opposed to Rumsfeld for the last two years or so. It's not even newsfilter at that point. If "because it's now, not then" is a sufficient argument of importance, then the front page of MeFi should be covered with articles about the sun being hot, and gravity making things fall, because, sure, they're not new, but they're incredibly important, and they're happening right now.
posted by Bugbread at 11:01 PM on November 6, 2006
Well, by that logic, the military has been opposed to Rumsfeld for the last two years or so. It's not even newsfilter at that point. If "because it's now, not then" is a sufficient argument of importance, then the front page of MeFi should be covered with articles about the sun being hot, and gravity making things fall, because, sure, they're not new, but they're incredibly important, and they're happening right now.
posted by Bugbread at 11:01 PM on November 6, 2006
Thanks for all the great answers, guys!
posted by c:\awesome at 11:12 PM on November 6, 2006
posted by c:\awesome at 11:12 PM on November 6, 2006
Reducto ad ignoratus.
That's a remarkably good example of "in the alternative" argument that takes most law students awhlie to wrap their heads around and infuriates laypeople. "What do you mean 'He didn't damage your property... and if he DID, it was an accident? How can you argue both?!'"
If you are not already a lawyer, your calling is clear.
posted by dreamsign at 1:38 AM on November 7, 2006
That's a remarkably good example of "in the alternative" argument that takes most law students awhlie to wrap their heads around and infuriates laypeople. "What do you mean 'He didn't damage your property... and if he DID, it was an accident? How can you argue both?!'"
If you are not already a lawyer, your calling is clear.
posted by dreamsign at 1:38 AM on November 7, 2006
Dammit, dreamsign, that's what everyone keeps telling me.
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 3:56 AM on November 7, 2006
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 3:56 AM on November 7, 2006
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posted by patricio at 5:10 AM on November 7, 2006 [2 favorites]
When did the Ice Capades start melting? This is terrible news!
posted by Astro Zombie at 6:03 AM on November 7, 2006
posted by Astro Zombie at 6:03 AM on November 7, 2006
OK, who can supply the punchline to the National Lampoon Radio Hour skit where the handicapped kids are taken to see the Ice Capades, but all the ice melts?
posted by Kirth Gerson at 7:38 AM on November 7, 2006
posted by Kirth Gerson at 7:38 AM on November 7, 2006
patricio made me laugh.
posted by onlyconnect at 10:50 AM on November 7, 2006
posted by onlyconnect at 10:50 AM on November 7, 2006
I was lurking with their mommas before mathowie and jessamyn were even born!
posted by timeistight at 10:57 AM on November 7, 2006
posted by timeistight at 10:57 AM on November 7, 2006
anymore than a drunken college student humping a Ronald McDonald statue's face make said statue a Humping Depot
It doesn't?
Uh... I mean... no, it doesn't!
posted by moss at 2:22 PM on November 7, 2006
It doesn't?
Uh... I mean... no, it doesn't!
posted by moss at 2:22 PM on November 7, 2006
You what I just noticed?
Unclear and nuclear are just a typo apart.
posted by fenriq at 9:18 PM on November 7, 2006
Unclear and nuclear are just a typo apart.
posted by fenriq at 9:18 PM on November 7, 2006
Apparently when the Military Times talks Bush listens....
-or-
DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD!
posted by drezdn at 9:58 AM on November 8, 2006
-or-
DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD!
posted by drezdn at 9:58 AM on November 8, 2006
Whoops.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 10:31 AM on November 8, 2006
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 10:31 AM on November 8, 2006
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