I hate YouTube.

November 12, 2006 6:37 PM

i'm sick of metaYouTubefilter. what can we do to curb this phenomenon?
posted by localhuman to Etiquette/Policy at 6:37 PM (87 comments total)

No.
posted by timeistight at 6:37 PM on November 12, 2006 [1 favorite]

This will go well.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 6:38 PM on November 12, 2006

Same as always. Skip things you're not interested in.
posted by kirkaracha at 6:39 PM on November 12, 2006

I think we should check the archives and review all the times we have discussed this already.

If we have anything new to add then we should state that here, clearly and persuasively.
posted by vacapinta at 6:40 PM on November 12, 2006

i'm sick of the 40k'ers rehashing everything as if nobody existed before them. what can we do to curb this phenomenon?
posted by quonsar at 6:43 PM on November 12, 2006

There's a lot of coolness on YouTube. It's fine with me if someone else does the legwork to find the "best of." And if the subject doesn't interest me, I use that five minutes to browse the next post. Or go pee.
posted by The Deej at 6:44 PM on November 12, 2006

Nothing has changed since the last discussion.
posted by smackfu at 6:44 PM on November 12, 2006

Alternative: sue Google.
posted by cortex at 6:48 PM on November 12, 2006

sorry to not have been aware that this has been discussed before.
please point me to previous threads and i will read them with care.
posted by localhuman at 6:48 PM on November 12, 2006

actually, don't bother. i am able and responsible to do this myself, and will do so.
posted by localhuman at 6:49 PM on November 12, 2006

well you could start h—

i am able and responsible to do this myself, and will do so.

Oh. Blast.
posted by cortex at 6:50 PM on November 12, 2006

i'm sick of metaYouTubefilter. what can we do to curb this phenomenon?

Stop reading MetaFilter?
posted by cillit bang at 6:52 PM on November 12, 2006

stop reading MetaFilter is Not a viable exit strategy
posted by localhuman at 6:58 PM on November 12, 2006 [1 favorite]

I was a big youtube hater at first, but mostly because people were posting the "jackass" moments. Now, I have trouble finding the good stuff there. Post away, if it is good. The flood has overwhelmed youtube and if the hive here can find the really interesting stuff lets see it. A good youtube post has always been appreciated, but now perhaps just a tad more.
posted by caddis at 6:59 PM on November 12, 2006

Hey, at least the posters are usually kind enough to point out that it's a youtube link. That saves you from even having to hover your mouse over the yellow text.
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 7:00 PM on November 12, 2006

actually, don't bother. i am able and responsible to do this myself, and will do so.
Nice catch, but you do know you spoiled all our fun, don't you?

Should I be ashamed that I felt a little thrill of anticipation when I saw that someone had asked other people to do the searching for them? I suspect I should.
posted by dg at 7:04 PM on November 12, 2006

EVERYONE MAKE SURE TO CHECK WITH EVERYONE ELSE BEFORE YOU POST THINGS TO MAKE SURE NO ONE ON METAFILTER WILL HATE WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO POST PLEASE.
posted by Effigy2000 at 7:08 PM on November 12, 2006

...or, you know, phrase things politely.

I've seen gentle posts by newbies here and they're always treated with civility. The presumptious "what can we do to curb this phenomenon" was the problem here - not the imagined crime of not being familiar with all the details of mefi history.
posted by vacapinta at 7:15 PM on November 12, 2006

what can we do to curb this phenomenon?

YOU are sick of it, so WE don't have to anything.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:16 PM on November 12, 2006

im in utubes jackassin ur videos
posted by loquacious at 7:29 PM on November 12, 2006

Oh. Blast.
posted by cortex at 6:50 PM PST on November 12

"Blast"! Now there's an exclamation worthy of a comeback! Huzzah, cortex.

And yeah, if you don't like YouTube posts, well, it takes about a second to scroll past one, so it's not exactly a huge time suck.
posted by diddlegnome at 7:30 PM on November 12, 2006

My impression is that youtube links go bad much faster than the average of other kinds of links, and if that is true, the rising tide of youtube links will eventually make the past of MetaFilter lots deader than it is now.

And that past, you long term members, is a place you have put a great deal of time and effort into creating.
posted by jamjam at 7:32 PM on November 12, 2006

Io, Io! Huzzah! Dirka, Dirka! Blast!
posted by Balisong at 7:35 PM on November 12, 2006

If most everyone agreed to memepool.com their best-of-youtube links, it'd entirely solve the problem.

There is no reason this community can not make use of other web resources.
posted by five fresh fish at 7:40 PM on November 12, 2006

I was a big youtube hater at first, but mostly because people were posting the "jackass" moments. Now, I have trouble finding the good stuff there. Post away, if it is good. The flood has overwhelmed youtube and if the hive here can find the really interesting stuff lets see it. A good youtube post has always been appreciated, but now perhaps just a tad more.

Amen.
posted by The God Complex at 7:44 PM on November 12, 2006

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posted by Alvy Ampersand at 8:10 PM on November 12, 2006

My impression is that youtube links go bad much faster than the average of other kinds of links

OTOH, most of the direct multi-megabyte avi and quicktime movies linked in the pre-youtube days are dead links now.
posted by smackfu at 8:11 PM on November 12, 2006

Solution in three easy steps.

Step one : remove metafilter.com from your bookmarks.
Step two : add metafilter.com to your .hosts file.
Step three : forget you ever heard of metafilter.com.
posted by crunchland at 8:22 PM on November 12, 2006

jamjam: My impression is that youtube links go bad much faster than the average of other kinds of links, and if that is true, the rising tide of youtube links will eventually make the past of MetaFilter lots deader than it is now. And that past, you long term members, is a place you have put a great deal of time and effort into creating.

Matt fucked that up a long time ago. MetaFilter's archives are already spoiled.

Nobody ever thought about the children.
posted by ibmcginty at 8:27 PM on November 12, 2006

Congratulations on being the ELEVENTH (by my quick count) douchebag to metatalk thread complaining about video posts. Do you REALLY think you're going to rehash anything yet again that wasn't covered previously?

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posted by Rhomboid at 8:44 PM on November 12, 2006

Stop reading MetaFilter?

Damn cut 'n runners.
posted by Pollomacho at 9:04 PM on November 12, 2006

sorry rhomboid. i already apologized. i should have done my research before asking this question. but does your comment really add to the discussion here?

i don't feel like calling people 'douchebag' really makes metafilter a better place. my initial question also did not make metafilter a better place, and this was because of my lack of research. i will change how i post here. hopefully you might also.
posted by localhuman at 9:06 PM on November 12, 2006

I appreciate the annotation of YouTube links, but moreso I'd appreciate inclusion of the clip duration in that annotation along with descriptions of why they might be worth that much of my time to go look at.
posted by xiojason at 9:12 PM on November 12, 2006 [1 favorite]

On the enxt episode of MeTa theatre, localhuman wants us to also cut it out with the NPRFilter.

Apparently this isn't the web community he was looking for.
posted by Space Coyote at 9:17 PM on November 12, 2006

i don't feel like calling people 'douchebag' really makes metafilter a better place.
posted by localhuman

What, in your esteemed (and--if you don't mind my pointing out--rather prissy) opinion, would make metafilter a better place? Besides the obvious things like no youtube and metafilter personals, of course.
posted by leftcoastbob at 9:18 PM on November 12, 2006

I am a huuuuge douchebag, and I also think most video links are crap. But I definitely don't want to have this argument again.

localhuman wants us to also cut it out with the NPRFilter.

Well, I was kinda sympathetic until I saw that. Gonna have to go with the comedy 'lurk more' option, now.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 9:19 PM on November 12, 2006

i don't feel like calling people 'douchebag' really makes metafilter a better place.

I respectfully disagree.
posted by ibmcginty at 9:21 PM on November 12, 2006 [1 favorite]

where in that comment did i say i didn't somehow endorse or approve of the link? i only said positive things about it. i don't see how i said that we should 'cut it out with nprFilter'. please explain to me.
posted by localhuman at 9:21 PM on November 12, 2006

I'm so sick and tired of text links, what can we do to fix this?

(sorry localhuman , not trying to pile on, just making a lame joke)
posted by edgeways at 9:28 PM on November 12, 2006

Oh, now this is getting interesting.

*(guiltily) pages languagehat*
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 9:29 PM on November 12, 2006

tis getting interesting. its getting so just as i ought to go to bed in order to confront that Monday that is so soon.

oh well. who is this space coyote? who spells next as 'enxt'?

just fueling a fire. hopefully i'll wake up to something interesting tomorrow and decide not to go to work.
posted by localhuman at 9:34 PM on November 12, 2006

This would all be a lot better if people just started tagging their links like this^. Clearly that's the solution here.
posted by allen.spaulding at 9:49 PM on November 12, 2006

I disagree.

- Todd Lokken.
posted by five fresh fish at 9:52 PM on November 12, 2006

localhuman, do what rational people do when they find something that annoys them. Don't look. Skip the post and read another or don't. But don't flippin' complain when you can't even be bothered to do a simple search to see that this has been covered extensively already.

Does Matt need to code it in so that the next noob automatically sees that its been dealt with again and again? It would be waste of time because every noob thinks their complaint is super special. It's not, you're not.

I'm not a huge fan of YouTube, the video quality is awful. But there really is some pretty good stuff to be found on it. Since its part of the intarnets, its fair game to be posted to the blue.

What I find far more annoying are the people who don't tag their damned posts and I cannot understand why Matt hasn't made at least one tag mandatory before posting.
posted by fenriq at 10:02 PM on November 12, 2006

My youtubefilter posts have been fucking awesome.

My advice for all mefites is to be more like me.
posted by bardic at 10:04 PM on November 12, 2006

i don't feel like calling people 'douchebag' really makes metafilter a better place.

Oh, please. Like bitchily complaining about how you're "sick of" the way lots of community members post to the front page "really makes Metafilter a better place." Yeah, right.

Not to mention the fact that your complaint is framed completely stupidly - if you're gonna complain, at least address the quality of the links, rather than attacking the hosting site. And yet after all that, you still feel you have the high ground over someone who - gasp - uses the word "douchebag" at MeFi. Amazing.
posted by mediareport at 10:09 PM on November 12, 2006

I cannot understand why Matt hasn't made at least one tag mandatory before posting.

Yeah, he really should do that. And switch to using commas to separate tags instead of spaces.
posted by mediareport at 10:11 PM on November 12, 2006

I feel that the responses here do not address the source of the problem: youtube. We wouldn't have this problem if the denizens of youtube just quit posting so many videos that are interesting to watch. We should just get rid of youtube.

Realistically, curbing this phenomenom is something that the majority of the community wants. If there is enough social pressure against making youtube oriented posts, then it'll die off. But there isn't. Metafilter doesn't have that mentality about youtube quite yet. And come to think of it... even if there is a strong movement against it, I don't think it'd be resolved either. There's still newsfilter. People still post wikipedia links. The community is changing rapidly enough that it doesn't speak with one mind on what it likes to post. Fortunately, it does seem to be pretty good at enforcing the guidlines that are pretty clear cut. But guidlines pertaining the the quality of the content...

"A good post to MetaFilter is something that meets the following criteria: most people haven't seen it before, there is something interesting about the content on the page, and it might warrant discussion from others."

...are a bit more vague. Youtube has some interesting, novel stuff, so I'm not suprised that there are a lot of posts that use it.



Ummm...where was I going with this? I feel very... meta... right now.... urg.
posted by Mister Cheese at 10:11 PM on November 12, 2006

Go to bed, you ninnies!

*goes to bed*
posted by cortex at 10:38 PM on November 12, 2006 [1 favorite]

Sorry about the doucebag remark but metatalk is kind of like the collective food fight of metafilter, everybody lets it fly here. And I at least had the good sense to link to the past threads instead of leaving it at "it uses the search or it gets the hose again."

I'm not a fan of youtube posts that aren't well-described, but aside from that I'm all for them. There's tons of other types of posts that annoy the heck out of me though, and I think if everybody took the position of "there's a category of stuff I don't like to see on the blue, I'll make a meta thread about it to see if we can get something done about it" then you'd see metatalk bursting at the seams with asspuppetry.
posted by Rhomboid at 10:40 PM on November 12, 2006

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-gvM9w6qIfs
posted by padraigin at 10:44 PM on November 12, 2006

metatalk is kind of like the collective food fight of metafilter, everybody lets it fly here.

No.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 10:50 PM on November 12, 2006

i appreciate the civility rhomboid. that's the kind of thing that keeps me coming back here. now i can take cortex's very good advice and go to bed knowing that metafilter is the place i want it to be.
posted by localhuman at 11:02 PM on November 12, 2006

Tell me you don't like this, localhuman.
posted by weapons-grade pandemonium at 11:04 PM on November 12, 2006

My youtubefilter posts have been fucking awesome.

My advice for all mefites is to be more like me.
posted by bardic at 1:04 AM EST on November 13 [+] [!]

This is what I like to call the "power of positive thinking".
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 11:09 PM on November 12, 2006

metatalk is kind of like the collective food fight of metafilter, everybody lets it fly here.

No.

(throws sweet potato pie at stavros)
posted by tkolar at 11:14 PM on November 12, 2006

I'm getting tired of the lack of posts that have important information about douchebags. Such as: How do douchebags get hot chicks to hang out with them?
posted by Astro Zombie at 11:21 PM on November 12, 2006

why am i not sleeping? weapons grade is the reason. his/her utube link is damncool. i retract all statements against utube in hope that it is used for things like this more often. if i had power to close a thread i would do so now.

(as for weapons grade's link: my crush on drummyfeld heigthens as he gets further away from power)
posted by localhuman at 11:23 PM on November 12, 2006

i need a plethora of cat pictures and videos in order to finish this

If only such a video resource existed on the internets...
posted by thatweirdguy2 at 11:26 PM on November 12, 2006

Just as we have Flash Friday, Matt once made a reference to YouTubesday in what seemed like a reasonable nudge to get people to save it for Tuesday.
posted by geekyguy at 12:04 AM on November 13, 2006

I sometimes wonder about the ratio in comments of meaningful discussion to the jabbering and snarking of people who dislike a post's subject matter yet felt the need to comment in a thread anyway.
posted by tehloki at 1:50 AM on November 13, 2006

I'm about to reveal the fatal flaw with Metatalk, so pay attention.

There's no way you're going to get any affirmative results when you criticize the content or they style that people make their front page posts. 40,000+ people have complete control over where the links go when they make their front page post, and complaining about it here will have no effect on that. But because you have the ability to create a thread on Metatalk, you're under the delusion that it'll actually matter or amount to anything.

Unless you're Matt or Jess, and gain the ability to delete front page posts, the sooner you accept your impotence and defeat in this regard, the better.
posted by crunchland at 4:52 AM on November 13, 2006

i will change how i post here.

Try looking for a shift key while you're at it.

I do like the idea of adding a length alert to video posts, though.
posted by CunningLinguist at 5:29 AM on November 13, 2006

We are all here for the same reason - we love MetaFilter.

Let's resolve to stop calling one another foul names.

Let's resolve to try to see things from the other side, and to assume that our opponents are arguing in good faith.

Let's have a group hug, let's celebrate the differences.
posted by Brave New Meatbomb at 5:45 AM on November 13, 2006

Sir, please continue to be brave. And not too showy about it, or it'll defeat the purpose.
posted by cortex at 6:13 AM on November 13, 2006

I noticed the other day that I'm the second most prolific user of the Youtube tag (jonson apparently really, really loves Youtube).

So anyway, I just thought I'd pop in to say "ner".
posted by reklaw at 6:56 AM on November 13, 2006

*(guiltily) pages languagehat*

Well now, let's examine the evidence:

nprFilter. heard it. love it. i hope mefi commune is able to find and hear things like this by themselves, but i am glad you've shared it...

OK, "nprFilter" is ambiguous: by itself an implicit putdown, but let's wait and see. "heard it. love it.": positive. "i hope mefi commune ["commune"??] is able to find and hear things like this by themselves": negative. "but i am glad you've shared it": postive, but reminiscent of "double post, but I hadn't seen it before so I'm glad you posted it." To sum up: reads very passive-aggressive, impossible to tell whether the commenter is complaining or not, lack of capital letters a serious offense. Decision: send localhuman to Guantanamo while we investigate further.

*bangs gavel, lights up fat cigar*
posted by languagehat at 7:07 AM on November 13, 2006

Oh, and let me add that the more I see doofuses bitching about YouTube for no good reason, the more I like YouTube.
posted by languagehat at 7:08 AM on November 13, 2006

The img tag war went on forever, but it finally went away. I long for the day someone discovers an exploit in flash video so we can ban those too.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 7:22 AM on November 13, 2006

Dear Diary:

Remember not to be a prissy impotent douchebag doofus. People don't seem to like that, for some reason.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 7:27 AM on November 13, 2006

doofuses

doofi?
posted by sergeant sandwich at 7:38 AM on November 13, 2006

dooferati
posted by cortex at 7:44 AM on November 13, 2006

I agree with Brave New Meatbomb, that we should celebrate our differences.

No, wait...
posted by weapons-grade pandemonium at 8:48 AM on November 13, 2006

Maybe because it's Monday and I've only had one cup of coffee, but this thread is hilarious.
posted by FunkyHelix at 8:50 AM on November 13, 2006

MetaFilter: The sooner you accept your impotence and defeat in this regard, the better.
posted by Duncan at 9:23 AM on November 13, 2006

YouTube? More Like JewTube! Amirite?!
posted by klangklangston at 9:24 AM on November 13, 2006

No.

*hurls remaining half of burger at stavros*
posted by quonsar at 10:36 AM on November 13, 2006

doofbags!
posted by mwhybark at 10:49 AM on November 13, 2006

"Hey, I heard you were talking about my tube... it is quite the conversation piece."
posted by Rhomboid at 12:03 PM on November 13, 2006

STOPUR HURTING TEH METAFILTERS!!!1!!!

*acts like douchebag, awaits hot chicks*
posted by slogger at 12:11 PM on November 13, 2006

The metafilters are not a truck you can just dump things on. They're a series of youtubes.
posted by flabdablet at 4:23 PM on November 13, 2006

//retires from metatalk, goes to get shift keys fixed, and re-adjusts self esteem to the proper amount (very little) i should have//
posted by localhuman at 7:01 PM on November 13, 2006

Aaaaannnndd...CUT!
posted by jaronson at 9:21 PM on November 13, 2006

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posted by Duncan at 9:56 PM on November 13, 2006

doofbags. hehe.
posted by YoBananaBoy at 1:38 AM on November 14, 2006

dooferati.com is available.
posted by sharpener at 1:58 AM on November 14, 2006