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So my question was shut down and this one isn't? I'm not asking for this one to be shut down, just an examination of policy, please.
posted by Lucie to Etiquette/Policy at 5:00 PM (88 comments total)

The only thing consistent about "chatfilter" deletions on AskMe is the inconsistency.
posted by twiggy at 5:02 PM on January 8, 2007


Yeah, the other one ought to have been deleted too.
posted by matthewr at 5:09 PM on January 8, 2007


Dude, let me say the magic wrapper words that will keep your question safe, next time.
I.
am.
writing.
a.
book.

posted by bonaldi at 5:11 PM on January 8, 2007 [2 favorites]


I agree. Shut 'em down, shut 'em shut 'em down.
posted by box at 5:11 PM on January 8, 2007


Yours crept just a bit more over the 'speculative' line than the other, but they both should be gone.
posted by nj_subgenius at 5:12 PM on January 8, 2007


i think we're going to replace the missed askme questions due to time constraints with metatalk questions before the month is through.
posted by dflemingdotorg at 5:13 PM on January 8, 2007


Ah, yes.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
What I use in the battle for the mind
I hit it hard
Like it supposed
Pullin' no blows to the nose
Like uncle L said I'm rippin' up shows
posted by soundofsuburbia at 5:16 PM on January 8, 2007


If it stopped instantly we would be fucked, if it slowed down over a few hours nothing much would happen. Then we would notice the sun hadn't moved for a while and one side of the planet would get very warm whilst the other side got cold. The rotation of Earth has nothing to do with with why apples drop. I made this answer up, so you have the right to ignore it and use a sockpuppet. If you cannot afford a sockpuppet, one will be provided for you at mathowie's expense.
posted by econous at 5:22 PM on January 8, 2007


Could you just email jessamyn if you have a question about askmetafilter? She runs the show over there and responds to email faster than metatalk.
posted by bob sarabia at 5:26 PM on January 8, 2007


Admittedly mine was poorly phrased and I should have mentioned that I was asking it to settle a discussion with my dad (I don't know if that makes it a more valid question, though). I just think that, while this kind of question doesn't strictly adhere with the policy, it's arguably very interesting for the intellectually curious MeFi population.
posted by Lucie at 5:27 PM on January 8, 2007


insert [specialsnowflake.gif]
posted by mr_crash_davis at 5:29 PM on January 8, 2007


My guess is that the second question had a series of specific questions within it, rather than "What would happen if the earth stopped turning" and then two possible outcomes.

The second one is more of a "How does gravity/atmosphere affect:
-Us
-Explosives and the like
-Weather
-Technology
-etc"

So while it's hypothetical, it is seeking specific answers to specific questions, rather than a "what if?" and just stopping there.

Again, just my guess.
posted by CitrusFreak12 at 5:29 PM on January 8, 2007


I really don't think either deserve(d) deletion. Neither will hit my favorites list any time soon, but they're no dummer than a lot of the crap that floats through AskMe.
posted by mkultra at 5:37 PM on January 8, 2007


if it slowed down over a few hours nothing much would happen

bullshit on a stick, with extra large cola

posted by cortex at 5:40 PM on January 8, 2007 [1 favorite]


Every time you complain about your question being deleted in Metatalk, the waiting period for your next one gets bumped up by two weeks. I wish.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 5:46 PM on January 8, 2007 [1 favorite]


But instead God kills a kitten.
posted by y2karl at 5:53 PM on January 8, 2007


I hate cats.
posted by CitrusFreak12 at 6:02 PM on January 8, 2007


Civil liberty I can't see to pay a fee
I never saw a way to pay a sap
To read the law
Then become a victim of a lawyer
Don't know ya, never saw ya
Tape cued
Gettin' me sued
Playin' games wit' my head
What the judge said put me in the red
Got me thinkin' 'bout a trigger to the lead
No no
My education mind say
Suckers gonna pay
Anyway
There gonna be a day
'Cause the troop they roll in
To posse up
Whole from the ground
Ready to go
Throw another round
Sick of the ride
It's suicide
For the other side of town
When I find a way to shut 'em down
posted by Burhanistan at 6:03 PM on January 8, 2007


The biggest difference is that the second question was one that could be answered through a discussion of physics and wasn't totally retarded, whereas your question could be answered by a discussion of physics and was completely retarded.
posted by klangklangston at 6:13 PM on January 8, 2007 [1 favorite]


(The admins did right).
posted by klangklangston at 6:13 PM on January 8, 2007


The last time I tried to post this animated gif it got deleted by a someone with mod rights, and far better taste then me. I'll try posting it in this thread, though this is the last time I'll bother.

[ceiling_late_term_abortion_with_jazz_hands.gif]
posted by econous at 6:15 PM on January 8, 2007


ecounous: did the court order you to put a sign in your yard saying that a sex offender lives there?
posted by Burhanistan at 6:18 PM on January 8, 2007


The other question can be answered by someone with a background in the relevant sciences. I know of a few books, actually, that address this subject. There are people who study such things.

Your question cannot be answered because it is completely impossible according to the laws of physics. More than hypothetical -- impossible. You may as well ask what would happen if the Earth was flat or the moon was cheese or the sky wasn't blue.
posted by mcwetboy at 6:18 PM on January 8, 2007


Or, shouldn't you be out in the garage chopping up the corpses of schoolchildren you abducted and making leather goods from the harvested skin?
posted by Burhanistan at 6:19 PM on January 8, 2007


while this kind of question doesn't strictly adhere with the policy

If you want my honest answer, I think it's a few things

- yours was short and seemed like a "what if" scenario, the second seemed more like a science question
- yours was asked late at night when more people are on the site [and reading, and adding wisecracks, and flagging] and the other was asked at a time that is hours before most US mefites wake up and get to work

There's no way you can really mathematically compare two questions, but to me these seem to fall on opposite sides of the guidelines.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 6:19 PM on January 8, 2007


the intellectually curious MeFi population

i'll show ya mine if you'll show me yours.
posted by quonsar at 6:21 PM on January 8, 2007


I'M WITH A RAPIST
posted by bob sarabia at 6:21 PM on January 8, 2007


That was supposed to go after the comment about the sign in the yard...whatever.
posted by bob sarabia at 6:24 PM on January 8, 2007


You got all the answers you need before the question was closed. The Earth's gravity has to do with mass, not with rotation.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 6:46 PM on January 8, 2007


Physics and math hypotheticals are different than the other kind, because they have real answers.
posted by smackfu at 6:49 PM on January 8, 2007


I wasn't whingeing about mine being shut, although obviously I was disappointed. And, klangklangston, you're the retarded one for trolling this thread. I don't know a hell of a lot about science, and as I said I could have spelled it out a lot more clearly, but I think that the differences between the questions aren't that huge. Neither scenario is likely. Both seem to have been intended to inform the questioner about planetary science.

"If you want my honest answer"

Always.
I thought I was getting some interesting and scientific answers to the question, even though it was written in a hurry.

Does the number of people flagging a post impact on whether or not it is deleted? I thought there was a policy, not a democracy, in play.
posted by Lucie at 6:51 PM on January 8, 2007


You got all the answers you need before the question was closed. The Earth's gravity has to do with mass, not with rotation.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe

That's not the point, as I stated at the beginning of this thread.
posted by Lucie at 6:53 PM on January 8, 2007


"I don't know a hell of a lot about science, and as I said I could have spelled it out a lot more clearly, but I think that the differences between the questions aren't that huge."

Note that your third clause is predicated on the first one.

The moon doesn't rotate relative to the Earth— Astronauts stay on it because they have heavy boots.

More to the point: How come everyone else learned this stuff in middle school and you didn't? You're making me pity Cecil Adams, thinking about the mail he must see.
posted by klangklangston at 7:04 PM on January 8, 2007


Astronauts stay on it because they have heavy boots.

At least thats what the government wants us to believe...
posted by R. Mutt at 7:19 PM on January 8, 2007


The moon is heavy, but not heavy enough to retain an appreciable atmosphere. Astronauts stay on it because it is heavy, not because they wear big boots. The landers didn't have heavy boots. In fact the astronauts boots, whilst large and undoubtedly heavy, are wholly irrelevant. Lucie you should wonder why, if it's so heavy, doesn't it fall down.
posted by econous at 7:22 PM on January 8, 2007


I just think that, while this kind of question doesn't strictly adhere with the policy, it's arguably very interesting for the intellectually curious MeFi population.
So, despite knowing that it doesn't meet the requirements of AskMe, you went ahead and posted it anyway. Then you came to MeTa to complain when it got deleted. If I have calculated all those factors correctly, you are an idiot.
posted by dg at 7:24 PM on January 8, 2007


Both "questions" are stupid ones, i.e. stupider than most AskMetafilter questions, unless you can't read. Ask a reference librarian to point you to the proper books.

(My IQ is so heavy my neck always hurts.)
posted by davy at 7:24 PM on January 8, 2007


I got a letter from mathowie the other day
I opened and read it--it said 'You're a sucker.'
He wanted me to read the FAQ or whatever
Picture me giving a damn? I said 'Never.'
posted by box at 7:27 PM on January 8, 2007 [4 favorites]


What would happen if the moon was cheese? Would the universe be incrementally more delicious?

I thought there was a policy, not a democracy, in play.

Yeah, and jessamyn said that due to more scientific constraints on the other question, it fell on the "not deletion worthy" side of the guideline. Your question as to "Why was mine deleted and this one wasn't?" has been answered.

I don't know if the number of flags on a post ultimately has any effect on the admins' decision to delete it, but a post with a lot of users flagging it certainly is going to come to their attention a hell of a lot sooner.

(And really, you didn't need to MetaTalk this - I've had questions deleted from AskMe and a polite exchange with jessamyn over email resolved things just fine. Also, it didn't wake the cabal.)
posted by grapefruitmoon at 7:34 PM on January 8, 2007


Lucie:

you ready for this?

cause i really think what i'm about to show you is gonna blow your fuckin' mind.

seriously, like, stand up and then sit down.


ok, you ready? ALRIGHT here we go:

What would happen if the world stopped turning?

holy shit! answers just by typing magic words into a box!* my god, it's like there's a fucking robot answering your questions! A ROBOT THAT IS NEVER WRONG.

MAN IT'S LIKE I JUST HANDED YOU THE RED PILL MAN

WHOA

*Of course, I didn't even *have* to type because I was able to copy and paste your exact words
posted by fishfucker at 7:41 PM on January 8, 2007 [3 favorites]


There is no cabal.
posted by mygothlaundry at 7:45 PM on January 8, 2007


actually, you know what? I take that back. your question was very useful, because it started a chain of events that led me to see how terrible Ask Yahoo really is. That thread makes a damned good argument for elitism, or, at the very least, a "totally wrong answer" flag.
posted by fishfucker at 7:46 PM on January 8, 2007


Lucie you are not an idiot, dg is being horrid and picking on you a little bit I feel. You seem nice, and there are some nice other nice people here too. So don't take it to heart or personally when people say mean stuff, they are normally joking. And if they're not, they are just in a sour mood about something.
posted by econous at 7:53 PM on January 8, 2007


Yeah, but it did provide one moderate laugh:
The end of all life on this planet, as well as the end of the soap opera series "As the World Turns".
That probably had more thought put into it than all the other anwswers put together.
posted by dg at 7:57 PM on January 8, 2007


if it slowed down over a few hours nothing much would happen
bullshit on a stick, with extra large cola

Why is that? If the Earth slowed down slowly, you and I would barely notice the process. After a little while our timepieces would give a time disagreeing with the position of the sun. Then the sun would stop moving across the sky altogether. If the Earth stopped spinning in an instant, but stuff on it's surface didn't then we would be immediately fracked. Seems like a reasonable idea, so what's your criticism?
posted by econous at 8:15 PM on January 8, 2007


When the earth stops spinning, us Turquoise people will continue to stick to it. All you suckers in the lower seven colors will fly off and probably be eaten by some sort of space Octopus.

Come on people, this is basic Spiral Dynamics!
posted by drjimmy11 at 8:16 PM on January 8, 2007 [2 favorites]


Actually, Lucie, I have just read through some of your answers on AskMe and you don't seem to be an idiot after all (despite living in Sydney). Asking this question seems to have been out of character for you, so you can probably be forgiven just this once. That's it, though - next time you'll feel the full force of MeTa.
posted by dg at 8:17 PM on January 8, 2007


No offense, Lucie, but did you try typing "What would happen if the world stopped turning?" into Google? There are some very good answers in the first couple of links returned.
posted by Roger Dodger at 8:31 PM on January 8, 2007


"It would be like the moon, and all the people in China would die, and that would be a good thing in my opinion because they are going to destroy the world with all of their green house gases. Carbon dioxide emissions should only happen in North America. The other half of the world needs to be destroyedk and this would be the perfect way to do it. I am all for it."

from Yahoo.
posted by klangklangston at 8:35 PM on January 8, 2007


Whoops, just noticed fishfucker offered the same advice, even if in a great deal more irritating manner. I tend to skip over those type of comments, and I hope you do as well. Not everyone here is an asshole, though Metatalk may lead you to believe otherwise.
posted by Roger Dodger at 8:38 PM on January 8, 2007


Q: What would happen if the world stopped turning?
A: I'd still love you.

You can't tell me there isn't a song in there.

Alternatively: Ban anyone associated with this question, this thread, these comments, and make Cheryl Crow queen of the universe.
posted by blue_beetle at 8:44 PM on January 8, 2007


What Roger Dodger says its true. Asshole comments are deleted in Ask Metafilter. In Metafilter proper, their native habitat, they tend to congregate in politics and issues threads. Here, in Metatalk, the assholes just roam free.
posted by vacapinta at 8:45 PM on January 8, 2007 [1 favorite]


What Vacapinta said. Don't be discouraged Lucie, not all of us are free-range assholes.
posted by moonbird at 9:24 PM on January 8, 2007


I'm an asshole in a box.
Open the lid:
*pffft*
It talks!
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 9:33 PM on January 8, 2007 [1 favorite]


Lucie, I will be in Sydney in March and I'll buy you a beer at the meetup. I don't know why everyone is being so weird here, it's been a weird day.
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 9:43 PM on January 8, 2007


klang, to be fair, the idiot that gave that answer has the moniker "retarded_question_guy."
posted by Falconetti at 9:56 PM on January 8, 2007


"A ROBOT THAT IS NEVER WRONG."

Er, like cortex said, "bullshit on a stick, with extra large cola." I suppose you believe everything you read on Wikipedia, too.

And I hate people who use "alright."
posted by Liosliath at 10:52 PM on January 8, 2007


"klang, to be fair, the idiot that gave that answer has the moniker "retarded_question_guy.""

That did not escape my notice. Perhaps a guest membership?
posted by klangklangston at 11:04 PM on January 8, 2007


The real question, and especially relevant in your land, is how you can dance while the world is turning. Or, how you can sleep while your beds are burning.
posted by klangklangston at 11:06 PM on January 8, 2007 [1 favorite]


Goddamn it, box, that comment alone justified this whole thread and both of the original Askme threads as well. It should go somewhere obvious, like in the posting box so that everyone has to manually delete it before they can post a new question about whether inside the hollow earth cows would grow udders on their backs.
posted by A Thousand Baited Hooks at 2:13 AM on January 9, 2007


If the Earth slowed down slowly, you and I would barely notice the process.

The rotational speed of the Earth's surface at the Equator is about 1000 miles per hour. I think that if that speed were reduced to zero "over a few hours," you would notice. Stuff like the massive sloshing of the oceans over most of the land area would tend to grab your attention.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 3:19 AM on January 9, 2007


hey, guess what?

we already talked about this.

you're right. your question was poorly worded and you weren't really asking what you wanted to ask. this question is well worded and asks precisely what it is meant to ask. where is the confusion regarding deletion policy?
posted by shmegegge at 3:49 AM on January 9, 2007


I wasn't whingeing about mine being shut

Yes you were.

Can these whiny "waah my question was deleted WHY GOD WHY???" threads just be zapped instantly so we don't have to descend into this maelstrom of horror and inhumanity?
posted by languagehat at 5:30 AM on January 9, 2007


Seems like a reasonable idea, so what's your criticism?

As originally stated: your notion that the immediate consequences of decellerating a 6*1024 Kg collection of heterogenous matter in a matter of hours would be nil is shrieking, ridiculous, pants-dropping bullshit. It's not a personal attack, there's just no better word than 'bullshit' for the idea.

The earth is not a freight train—there are considerable implications to applying steady, significant decelleration to it, and at least one huge question about the premise: what force, by what means, is stopping its rotation? Because we're talking about the application of force—there's no off button.
posted by cortex at 6:12 AM on January 9, 2007


Oh please make it stop.
posted by OmieWise at 6:12 AM on January 9, 2007


Why? Do you want to get off?
posted by Kirth Gerson at 7:15 AM on January 9, 2007


from Yahoo!Answers: we would fall of the earth, LOLOLOLOLOL

Brilliant.
posted by hugsnkisses at 8:10 AM on January 9, 2007


Whoops, just noticed fishfucker offered the same advice, even if in a great deal more irritating manner.

you know what? You're right.

sorry, Lucie -- I get a little prickly when I see AskMe trending towards the sort of conversation level where LOLOL is part of an appropriate response.

Questions that can be researched and answered simply by using a search engine lower the bar for both askers and answers on askme, and create precedent for askme as a "look it up for me" resource, rather than "do you have information about this subject that *can't* already be found on the internet?".

I think most people would agree that the latter is where askme really shines.
posted by fishfucker at 9:54 AM on January 9, 2007


Hey, fishfucker, would you like to actually READ the links in your holy google search? Because I READ THEM BEFORE I POSTED MY QUESTION, and apart from the Yahoo! Answers thread, which has already been mentioned as useless, this is the only other result that actually relates to my question:

"Stopping the rotation of Earth?
Dear Sir,

I am writing a book and am thinking of a story idea.What would happen,changes, here on earth if the world stopped turning on its' axis What reprecussions would we experience? Can you help me find the answer hypothetically, speaking.

Thank you.
Reply
Depends how much of the physics you are willing to suspend! If you assume a miracle, as when Joshua in the bible made the sun stop its motion across the sky (implying of course that the Earth stopped), then everything on the surface of Earth would still continue its motion, and you and I would be flying through space (not through the air, since the air would share the same motion) at about the speed of sound. H.G. Wells thought about this one first--read his short story "The Man who could Work Miracles." Of course the oceans too would slosh over and flood everything, unless restrained by the same miracle.

Any attempt to include real forces that stop the Earth--no miracle--would involve forces so big that the Earth would probably break up, though gravity would ultimately pull it together again. "

This didn't offer any evidence, and I was hoping that the AskMeFi would actually provide some reasoning and rationale. And I got some great answers.

Again, for all the people who have reacted to my posts without appearing to read them:

I WAS NOT and AM NOT whingeing about my question being closed. I accepted it, as I have said numerous times, because while I had read the rules I obviously didn't put enough thought into the way I couched the question. I was not even the person who started the previous MetaTalk thread. In this thread, I ONLY wanted to explore whether the same policy was relevant in the case of the recent question, with a reference to my question only to illustrate a previous application of the 'no hypotheticals' policy. Jessamyn kindly answered this query, and I accepted what she said. I then asked a further question raised by her comment about flagging - a question that I would have thought would be interesting to people, but if you weren't interested then perhaps you should have, I don't know, gone to another thread and stopped trolling this one? Just a suggestion.

So you can all get off your fucking high horses.

That said, thanks to all the people who have said nice things. Man, I don't think I've ever been flamed so much in one thread.
posted by Lucie at 4:21 PM on January 9, 2007


I then asked a further question raised by her comment about flagging - a question that I would have thought would be interesting to people, but if you weren't interested then perhaps you should have, I don't know, gone to another thread and stopped trolling this one?
You obviously aren't aware that this subject has been discussed to death and beyond here. The question "why was my AskMe question deleted" will always be seen as whining, right or wrong (and I think your case is a borderline one - it looks like whining, but that doesn't seem to have been your intent). It is a very good idea to spend some time searching MeTa before you ask anything because, if you have thought of it, the odds are pretty high that someone else has done so previously.

I don't think I've ever been flamed so much in one thread.
Spend some time here - you will see flames that will melt your monitor and make what people have said to you look like the most gracious compliment you have ever received.
posted by dg at 4:57 PM on January 9, 2007


Lucie writes "Man, I don't think I've ever been flamed so much in one thread."

This is presumably the first thread you've ever posted in order to whine about having your ridiculously hypothetical askMe question deleted.

sure, yea, you weren't...but it sounded exactly like it. Maybe it's your fault for, once more, communicating poorly?
posted by jacalata at 5:04 PM on January 9, 2007


I deeply apologize for the fact that the number one result for your phrasing did not give you a definitive answer. I am also sorry that I implied you did not even try to use google -- but you can see how i'd be confused, as you know, the top few results mentioned that such an event was pretty unlikely, and well, gravity isn't really affected by the earth's rotation, and, no, we'd probably not go flying off.

I guess I wouldn't have made this accusation if you had said something like "I already searched for this on Google but I just did not believe anything that I read". mea culpa -- I make too many assumptions.

I do sincerely apologize for being cranky. it is a bad habit of mine.

Let me make it up to you by offering the results of this search:
"what would happen if the earth stops spinning"

sadly I do not own a horse
posted by fishfucker at 5:12 PM on January 9, 2007


dg > that sounds like a fair analysis of the situation and a great improvement on your previous comment. Thank you.

jacalata > seriously, troll, considering I explicitly stated several times that I wasn't complaining and just was curious about the policy, how many more kowtows do you expect? Yep, this is my first MetaTalk thread and, given that antagonistic bottom-feeders like you seriously diminuish this site's value in my eyes, probably my last.

fishfucker > I suppose my oversight in not mentioning that I had performed the google search is of about the same severity as your off-topic rambling about the content of my original question rather than the issue I was asking about in this thread. Except, of course, you personally attacked me.

All your (continuing) sarcasm aside, you're forgiven for being cranky. May I suggest that, if this place makes you so unhappy, you spend a little less time here? In fact, that's a general invitation to all the very angry, stressed-sounding people in this thread. I think a little perspective would do you all a (rotating) world of good.
posted by Lucie at 6:29 PM on January 9, 2007


May I suggest that, if this place makes you so unhappy, you spend a little less time here? In fact, that's a general invitation to all the very angry, stressed-sounding people in this thread. I think a little perspective would do you all a (rotating) world of good.

God no. Please. If it wasn't for all these angry nerds I wouldn't know what I'd do with myself. I'd probably be a Wikipedia editor. Horrors!

However, I now have a new favorite imaginary doomsday device. At least for now. Prior to this it was an imaginary, handheld laser. Capable of slicing all the way through a planet like butter.
posted by loquacious at 6:57 PM on January 9, 2007


You think we're cranky because we spend so much time here? We spend so much time here so that, when we go home, we don't rip the heads off family members and shit down their necks. This is our therapy.
posted by dg at 7:05 PM on January 9, 2007


dear lucie, please understand that part of the problem here is that you don't really spend any time on the gray except when it's to talk about this one stupid deleted thread of yours.

if you'd spent time here, you'd have seen other threads, too numerous to count, dedicated to discussing precisely this distinction, and many others that you may one day want to talk about as well. the issue here, although many may not realize it, is that when folk who use the askme portion of the site almost exclusively come in here demanding answers, some of us get a little riled. it's not just that you're being flamed. It's also that you're demanding our attention for something that, if you'd been a member of the community that basically lies on the gray and blue, you should already have known the answer to. people use a phrase around here a lot: "special little snowflake." we don't tend to like the "my personal gripe is important" type of thread. this came off sounding like one.

is that the only problem? no. plenty of people in here bust out the pitchforks and torches rather early. but is it part of the problem? yeah. so own up to it, take your lumps, and stop acting like you're mefi's personal pariah. as I said before, we've already discussed your deletion before. this thread was ridiculous, and it shouldn't have been posted, especially because these clarifications can happen over email to mathowie or jessamyn.
posted by shmegegge at 10:24 PM on January 9, 2007


that basically lives on the blue and gray. my bad.
posted by shmegegge at 10:25 PM on January 9, 2007


Sorry shmegegge, I didn't realise this was such a holy place that there was a minimum post number to become part of this - apparently completely separate to AskMeFi - community before asking a fairly simple, short question. Sure, I should have directly emailed the mods. Absolutely. But I think that I have been pretty diligent in saying again and again that I was asking for a small clarification of policy, that I acknowledged the shortcomings of my original question and that wasn't complaining about my original question being shut down. Really, again and again and again. So I think i HAVE owned up to it and 'taken my lumps' (whatever that is), and I am definitely not acting like I'm 'MeFi's personal pariah' (did you mean 'martyr'?). I have stood up for myself and told the trolls exactly where to go. If that makes me seem like a 'special little snowflake', then I guess there are worse things I could be. Like one of the aggressive, angry, bitter people who attack a relative newcomer for a fairly minor transgression, I suppose to make themselves feel better.

And I'd like to know: if people thought this thread was such a waste of time, why didn't they skip its two whole lines on the main page rather than commenting 70+ times?

In contrast with the attacks in this thread made under the pretext of protecting the sanctity of AskMeFi (while behaving as far as possible from those standards in this thread), my level of self-righteous indignation is relatively low compared to that shown by many here.
posted by Lucie at 12:37 AM on January 10, 2007


oh you poor poor martyr, you. How cruelly you've been treated!

I didn't realise this was such a holy place that there was a minimum post number to become part of this - apparently completely separate to AskMeFi

there isn't, but if you'd pull your head out of your ass for a second and read what I'm saying, you'd realize that I'm talking about how you came into a community you knew nothing about (a community which IS separate from askme, since there are only a couple thousand of us who post here at all, as opposed to the 30k plus that post to askme) and made a bad post. that was step 1 of this whole thing, and I'm not talking about your crap askme. I'm talking about this crap post.

Sure, I should have directly emailed the mods. Absolutely. But I think that I have been pretty diligent in saying again and again that I was asking for a small clarification of policy, that I acknowledged the shortcomings of my original question and that wasn't complaining about my original question being shut down. Really, again and again and again.

and again and again and again people have explained why the policy sees your two posts differently. WE GET IT. We've responded, both adequately and accurately. The nuances of the policy have been explained, even back during the thread where we FIRST talked about your crappy question. stop being a dick about it.

So I think i HAVE owned up to it and 'taken my lumps' (whatever that is), and I am definitely not acting like I'm 'MeFi's personal pariah' (did you mean 'martyr'?).

No, I meant pariah. Martyr works as well, hence the above use, but I meant Pariah.

If you think you've owned up to it, that's because you're wrong. You don't even realize what it is. You also don't know what trolling is, and the only thing that even vaguely resembles it is your behavior here. Here's what trolling is: when a user of a forum or community blog goes in and intentionally posts something that infuriates the general population. Responding to an infuriating post by scolding or otherwise engaging that user is not trolling. Basically, this whole thread reads like you being inconsiderate, whiny and an asshole to boot.

Lastly, I never attacked you. I explained to you where people are coming from. You don't like that, because acknowledging the viewpoint of anyone else in this thread would mean you'd have to admit that you aren't some innocent victim of internet bitterness, but instead are just some schmuck who made a mistake and can't take criticism. Poor you.

So take your fucking attitude and walk. No one will miss you.
posted by shmegegge at 1:11 AM on January 10, 2007



Sorry shmegegge, I didn't realise this was such a holy place that there was a minimum post number to become part of this - apparently completely separate to AskMeFi - community before asking a fairly simple, short question.


No post number necessary but it does make sense to do some reading and seeing how things work before jumping in. Because what you seem to have missed here is that there is a larger context to this issue which your post has dropped into. It is this context that makes your post look whiny and is at least partially why you got the response you did.

If you had spent some time here first and had a better idea of how things work you'd be more aware of this context and either not posted your question (because you really could have figured out the answer from reading previous postings about your and other questions) or possibly just worded it better somehow. At the very least you would have expected the response, because the thread went pretty much how I was expecting from the start. The context and previous discussions aren't your fault, but being unaware of them is.

The fact that you didn't spend some time here seeing how things go and reading what is already here is part of why you got this response. People are getting a bit sick of askme'ers barging in and posting stuff (generally asking for things) without taking the time to see if the answer is already out there or work out how the majority thinks and how things go. It's become a bit of a theme recently and actually comes off as kind of rude. I'm not saying you did this, but on first glance that's what it looks like based on the context of what else has been happening.

FWIW, I've noticed most mefites don't hold grudges at all. So don't let this put you off posting more stuff in the future. Just recognise that there is a greater context to what you do and try to be aware of that.
posted by shelleycat at 1:16 AM on January 10, 2007


There's a meetup in Sydney in March??
posted by strawberryviagra at 1:52 AM on January 10, 2007


And Jessamyn is buying everyone beers?????
posted by strawberryviagra at 1:55 AM on January 10, 2007


considering I explicitly stated several times that I wasn't complaining

And nobody believed you. Why? Because everybody who whines about their special thread being deleted claims they're not "complaining," they just want clarification, they want to understand why Post X remained while their special post, which to their unprejudiced eyes is at least as worthy as Post X, was cruelly deleted. But they're just asking. Just like self-linkers always claim they didn't know it was against the rules and they're really sorry they offended anyone. Note: I am not saying what you said about yourself isn't true; I am not a mind reader. I am explaining why nobody believed you. If you spend any time around here, you'd realize that.

Yep, this is my first MetaTalk thread and, given that antagonistic bottom-feeders like you seriously diminuish this site's value in my eyes, probably my last.


See, you can't on the one hand claim to be a sweet innocent cruelly abused by those nasty, rotten MetaTalk trolls and on the other hand call people "antagonistic bottom-feeders." Make up your mind. And threatening to take your ball and go home usually elicits a rousing chorus of Bronx cheers and an injunction not to let the door hit you in the ass. Just so you know.

May I suggest that, if this place makes you so unhappy, you spend a little less time here?


See, if someone said that to you, you'd freak out and run to the "mods" crying that those nasty, rotten MetaTalk trolls told you to leave! But you feel like you're being perfectly sweet and perky making the suggestion to others. Know thyself and try to avoid hypocrisy.
posted by languagehat at 5:37 AM on January 10, 2007 [1 favorite]


She's got spunk.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 6:47 AM on January 10, 2007


And Jessamyn is buying everyone beers?????

I'm buying Lucie a beer because I have no idea why people are belaboring this point into the ground and it seemed like a ncie gesture. We'll make plans sometime late in February. Watch this space!
posted by jessamyn (staff) at 7:33 AM on January 10, 2007


I wrote out something about how everyone's probably better off if you don't come to MetaTalk and just email jessamyn, and then, thinking about dg's comment, I realised that half the reason I'm so annoyed by you is that you sound exactly like my spoilt little sister who is always convinced that she did say everything right and everyone else is just MEAN and STUPID and HATES HER ANYWAY and so it's their fault they misunderstood her. And then I felt bad about taking it out on you, when it's not your fault you're acting like a stupid spoilt kid. So, thanks, dg, for ruining my self-righteous indignation by making me aware of my projections!
posted by jacalata at 8:44 AM on January 10, 2007


Watch this space!

Can we close this space and maybe watch another one?
posted by Roger Dodger at 12:58 PM on January 10, 2007


As originally stated: your notion that the immediate consequences of decellerating a 6*1024 Kg collection of heterogenous matter in a matter of hours would be nil is shrieking, ridiculous, pants-dropping bullshit. It's not a personal attack, there's just no better word than 'bullshit' for the idea.

Six multiplied by just over a tonne is a little less than the mass of the earth. Though no doubt decelerating at anything over a gentle walk in a rural area by elderly city folk might cause tsunamis, and people to get a little dizzy. Unless god did it. Which is why so many people worship him, your big words, and long sentences may impress people here and the devil, but only god himself can slow our shared planet down without any measurable means. Well him and the string theorists.
posted by econous at 5:07 PM on January 11, 2007


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