Can we please assume that AskMe questioners are honest? February 4, 2007 2:16 PM   Subscribe

Instead of assuming that most AskMe users are cheats, let's assume they're honest.
posted by Mr. President Dr. Steve Elvis America to Etiquette/Policy at 2:16 PM (76 comments total) 1 user marked this as a favorite

People regularly post questions seeking to escape the onerous burden of some law or other, and it seems unnecessary to accuse them of dishonesty or illegal behavior. People commonly understand that the lay conception of a law doesn't capture all of the nuances and exceptions, and it seems to me that most of these questions are just asking if the law really applies to the asker, given their circumstances.

In the question I linked, it would've been perfectly adequate simply to say, "no, you do indeed have to pay VAT on that equipment" (if this is indeed the case), and let the asker and Spain sort out the rest.
posted by Mr. President Dr. Steve Elvis America at 2:16 PM on February 4, 2007 [1 favorite]


I agree. I think the OP laid out his intentions clearly and was asking for clarification. Laws and rules are arcane enough especially to foreigners that It seems reasonable that he is asking if there were perhaps exemptions he didnt know about

You should have just flagged that comment. There was no call for it. But it wasnt obscenely rude either.
posted by vacapinta at 2:31 PM on February 4, 2007


Reducing one's tax liability is a national pastime. Why do you hate America?
posted by Saucy Intruder at 2:33 PM on February 4, 2007 [1 favorite]


Oh for fuck sake, odinsdream was referencing the poster's own wording ("I'm not looking to cheat the rules here").

Mr President, go grind your axe elsewhere.
posted by cillit bang at 2:37 PM on February 4, 2007


shut up shut up shut up!
posted by edgeways at 2:40 PM on February 4, 2007 [1 favorite]


The real problem here is that these sort of technical questions cannot be answered by the random morons on AskMeta. Someone who says OMG YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BREAK THE RULES!!11 is someone who doesn't know anything, and is really just derailing the thread with their stupidity. The best answer in threads like these is most often, "You need to speak to an attorney/lawyer."
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 2:45 PM on February 4, 2007 [1 favorite]


OF COURSE I mean accountant/lawyer. See, even I am useless.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 2:47 PM on February 4, 2007 [1 favorite]


Worst sockpuppet name ever.

Speaking of onerous, burdensome laws, say a close personal friend of mine recieved an e-mail from his ISP, wherein they mentioned that they had been contacted by the good folks at BayTSP regarding some alleged copyright infringement on my close personal friend's part... should my close personal friend be worried?

Would posting an AskMe on my close, personal friend's behalf be kosher, or be seen as falling into warez territority?
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 2:48 PM on February 4, 2007


I mean accountant/lawyer too. Hate clients. Hate them I do.
posted by hal9k at 2:49 PM on February 4, 2007 [1 favorite]


cillit bang, that makes odinsdream's comment all the more inexplicable.

The asker already said they weren't trying to cheat. There's no need to tell them they are trying to cheat--because they're not. They just want to know whether they can get the items into Spain without paying VAT and without cheating.

If the answer is no, just say so.
posted by Mr. President Dr. Steve Elvis America at 2:56 PM on February 4, 2007


ThePinkSuperhero, that's exactly what I'm talking about. The people asking these questions aren't asking whether they can break the law. Of course they know they can.

They're asking whether they can accomplish their goals (which at first glance seem illegal) without actually breaking the law. It's completely different.
posted by Mr. President Dr. Steve Elvis America at 2:58 PM on February 4, 2007


random morons on AskMeta

That's random honest morons to you, thank you very much.
posted by amro at 3:11 PM on February 4, 2007


The asker already said they weren't trying to cheat. There's no need to tell them they are trying to cheat--because they're not.

Well exactly. In context, taking the comment literally makes no sense, so the only possible interpretation is that he didn't mean it literally, yet you've decided you will so you can post a crappy disingenuous callout to show off your crappy username.
posted by cillit bang at 3:17 PM on February 4, 2007 [1 favorite]


Odinsdream is asking a question, not assuming.
posted by Manjusri at 3:17 PM on February 4, 2007


cillit bang, more likely, he just didn't read the entire question.

You have a pretty stupid username too.
posted by Mr. President Dr. Steve Elvis America at 3:24 PM on February 4, 2007


Christ, what an asshole.
posted by grouse at 3:30 PM on February 4, 2007 [1 favorite]















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posted by Saucy Intruder at 3:33 PM on February 4, 2007 [1 favorite]


Except that cillit bang always makes me think of civets, and obviously, someone banging them. Who fucks the civets, sir? Not President Elvis McTriestohard, certainly!
posted by klangklangston at 3:45 PM on February 4, 2007


He reminds me of clean pennies.

My close, personal friend is going to internet jail, isn't he?
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 3:47 PM on February 4, 2007


Yes, Alvy, he is. Ask him to leave you his Mp3 collection.
posted by Mr. President Dr. Steve Elvis America at 3:51 PM on February 4, 2007




technical questions cannot be answered by the random morons on AskMeta.

True, but I always hope that a specific moron can be of help.
posted by The Deej at 4:08 PM on February 4, 2007




Thanks for the PiL videos!
/wishes he had Metal Box in the metal box
posted by languagehat at 5:07 PM on February 4, 2007


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Yeah. What?
posted by loquacious at 5:43 PM on February 4, 2007


This joke is tedious.
posted by grouse at 5:49 PM on February 4, 2007


Your username disappoints me.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 5:49 PM on February 4, 2007


So what's your real username mr president elvis guy?
posted by bob sarabia at 5:50 PM on February 4, 2007


bob sarabia, this is the only Metafilter account I've ever had. I lurked for a while (probably several years, on and off) but never created an account because I hate PayPal. I had to start using PayPal for something else, though, so I made an account here.

You guys are hilariously paranoid.
posted by Mr. President Dr. Steve Elvis America at 6:01 PM on February 4, 2007


This joke is tedious.

Christ, what an asshole.
posted by loquacious at 6:05 PM on February 4, 2007 [1 favorite]


This thread is a like a bad penny.
posted by Burhanistan at 6:08 PM on February 4, 2007


Ha, ha; the comments on the PiL video amuse me:
Please be careful when commenting. I respect opinion, but any comments posted containing language that I find to be vulgar, profane or just plain bad will be deleted
You got swears in my punk... Noooooooes.
posted by boo_radley at 6:34 PM on February 4, 2007


Ha, boo_radley, oddly, I was just looking at this band. whilst going through a phase of reliving my musical awakening of the early 90s.
posted by Burhanistan at 6:39 PM on February 4, 2007


Groundhog day has come and gone!
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 6:57 PM on February 4, 2007


Giving people the benefit of the doubt is a good practice, particularly in Ask Metafilter, but also when considering a post to Metatalk.

Leave it at that.
posted by cortex at 7:05 PM on February 4, 2007


o no pirates.
posted by exlotuseater at 8:06 PM on February 4, 2007


This joke is tedious.

Christ, what an asshole.
posted by loquacious at 3:05 AM CET


Hm, reacting badly when a joke of yours falls flat is rather assholeish in itself locq.
posted by jouke at 9:31 PM on February 4, 2007


You missed the punchline there, jouke.
posted by bob sarabia at 9:32 PM on February 4, 2007


reference: Christ, what an asshole.
posted by By The Grace of God at 4:34 AM on February 5, 2007


Dude: Is there anyway to do thing Z? It seems illegal but I don't want to break the law.

Guy: There is no way to do thing Z without breaking the law. If you do thing Z you will be a law breaker.

Genius: Dude said he didn't want to break the law. WHY ARE YOU ANSWERING HIS QUESTION SHEESH

Look, Genius, Guy's answer is either factually correct or factually incorrect, but it is completely and totally an answer to the question that was asked.
posted by 23skidoo at 6:36 AM on February 5, 2007


I'm honored. Really. Thank you all for coming.
posted by odinsdream at 7:45 AM on February 5, 2007


You're late. And I don't see you bowing and scraping. Why aren't you bowing and scraping? And genuflecting?

Sarcasm calibration tags: I hate all of you. I'm a billionaire. I have 8 eyes and pedipalps.
posted by loquacious at 8:25 AM on February 5, 2007


Araneus bukkakes?
posted by cortex at 8:40 AM on February 5, 2007


My god, they're so gifted!
posted by Burhanistan at 9:00 AM on February 5, 2007


I assume that most AskMe users are stoats.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 9:17 AM on February 5, 2007 [1 favorite]


this is the only Metafilter account I've ever had.
posted by Mr. President Dr. Steve Elvis America at 8:01 PM CST on February 4


Uh, bullshit? Attention all sock puppet makers: don't make obviously sockpuppet names for your accounts if you don't want to be identified as such.

New users who have the gusto to finally join after years of lurking don't jump into the scene with such stupid names. Maybe you are the exception to the rule, but I highly doubt it. Also, new users don't make a serious Metatalk callout in their first 25 comments to the site (if anything, they make uninformed Metatalk posts).
___

Also, what's the deal with this "make random links to youtube" noise practice? How long has this been going on and what's the point?
posted by dios at 9:45 AM on February 5, 2007


Oh yeah, what cortex said. He be right.
posted by dios at 9:45 AM on February 5, 2007


dios, Burhanistan started doing those YouTube things a few days ago in a callout thread dedicated to you, as explained here.
posted by cgc373 at 10:48 AM on February 5, 2007


dios, since you don't actually have any way of independently verifying who is a new user and who isn't, you have no way of comparing new user behavior with sock puppet behavior. Basically, you're talking out of your ass.

I posted this because the behavior has been irritating me longer than I've had an account.

Metafilter is kind of a stupid web forum, as you can see from reading your posting history, so I decided on a stupid username. If you have a problem with that, suck my cock.
posted by Mr. President Dr. Steve Elvis America at 11:37 AM on February 5, 2007 [1 favorite]


If, in fact, you actually have one.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 11:41 AM on February 5, 2007


MPDSEA, you are walking along a tightrope whose end-point is a timeout, or perhaps a ban.

dios didn't attack you personally; he speculated about your potential sockpuppet-ude. You are, so far as I can see, out of line. If you want to invite me to suck your cock, go ahead; you won't bother me. But it'd still be out of line.
posted by cgc373 at 11:43 AM on February 5, 2007


New users who have the gusto to finally join after years of lurking don't jump into the scene with such stupid names.

Your assumption has no legs, dios: I can follow your reasoning, but it is not sound. A long-time lurker can damned well have noted the relatively recent trend toward long silly names; deciding to go that way is hardly a condemnation.

you have no way of comparing new user behavior with sock puppet behavior. Basically, you're talking out of your ass.

On the other hand, Mr. P Dr. SEA, that's also not true. We have verified in several cases, by varying routes, cases of sockpuppetry, and self-consciously long and silly usernames are damningly more common in that group than in general. So while I think you deserve the benefit of the doubt, dios isn't reacting outside of an understandable context.

And you're both acting like jerks and it'd be great if you'd cut it out.
posted by cortex at 11:44 AM on February 5, 2007


dios didn't attack you personally; he speculated about your potential sockpuppet-ude.

Debatable. The cry of "bullshit" is a pretty direct attack on his honesty.
posted by cortex at 11:45 AM on February 5, 2007


"'cry of bullshit'" = "pretty direct attack" = true dat. It's more aggressive than I'd thought at first, yeah. But the President Doctor's response seemed out of line to me, even so, cortex. dios didn't sound pissed so much as slightly baffled, while Elvis America sounded aggrieved.
posted by cgc373 at 11:49 AM on February 5, 2007


cgc373, replying with "bullshit" was not speculating. It was an ungrounded attack on my credibility.

I don't really care if I get banned, though. As far as I can tell, having an account isn't worth the drama and bullshit.

If I decide to throw down another $5, I'll definitely get my proposed user name vetted in advance.
posted by Mr. President Dr. Steve Elvis America at 11:49 AM on February 5, 2007


This discussion has deteriorated significantly, and therefore merits only a Happy Mondays redirect.
posted by Burhanistan at 11:50 AM on February 5, 2007


I recommend Dramamine.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 11:51 AM on February 5, 2007


Bah. I really have no desire to get into a pissing match over this, because I really don't care enough. To the extent I was being rude to someone who did not deserve it, my apologies for the offense. To the extent, if any, that I am correct, then I withdraw the apology for offending him. Regardless, it's a stupid issue that really doesn't deserve any more attention. I'm either right or I am not, and time will tell. I don't need to insult or fight with the guy over it, so you are right about that cortex. It was speculation that I would bet money on being accurate, but I retract the language that was jerkish.


cgc373: thanks for pointing that out to me. I don't read those threads.
posted by dios at 11:53 AM on February 5, 2007


Mr. President Dr. Steve Elvis America, I don't want you to get banned. I just don't want anybody to attack anybody else unless it's obviously either in fun or deserved. dios sometimes attracts vitriol 'round here, and I'm sensitive to the situation due to him calling me out on it some time ago, so I sprang to his defense even though—as cortex and you note about the "bullshit"—he didn't have the High Ground I'd thought he had.

</"Can't we all just get along?">
posted by cgc373 at 11:57 AM on February 5, 2007


No problem on the YouTube, dios. I thought you might stay away from those time-honored MetaTalk traditional dios-roasts, because, well, why would you want to be around for them?
posted by cgc373 at 11:59 AM on February 5, 2007


This whole thing is twistin' my melon, man.

I learned it from YOU Burhanistan!
posted by Mister_A at 12:24 PM on February 5, 2007


Call the cops!
posted by Burhanistan at 12:29 PM on February 5, 2007


Oh and more youtube comment fun:

PLS DONT READ
In 1945, a young girl named katu lata kulu came over to America in a grey boat from Africa. A mysterious man killed her by cutting the word "LATUALATUKA" into her back. now that you have read this message, she will come to your house on a full moon and steal your soul unless you follow these directions:

1. Retype this message as a comment for 3 other videos

posted by Burhanistan at 12:32 PM on February 5, 2007


Well, Burhanistan, I can see why you are afraid for your soul, anyway.
posted by cgc373 at 12:35 PM on February 5, 2007


Is that Elvis dude going to flame out or what? I haven't got all day.
posted by Mister_A at 1:22 PM on February 5, 2007


Mr President, I just wanted to say that your handle is pretty awesome, but that may be because I hate Tha The Mad Misunderstood Professor Evil Maniac.
posted by The Castle at 1:33 PM on February 5, 2007


In other sockpuppetry news, am I the last to find out that the multiply-banned AlexReynolds/Rothko is back, with a vengeance, as Blazecock Pileon?

(BP's website is AlexReynolds' Wikipedia page.)
posted by matthewr at 1:40 PM on February 5, 2007


am I the last to find out

Maybe, maybe not. Why point it out?
posted by cortex at 1:44 PM on February 5, 2007


No reason, but I was under the impression that Matt had inflicted a more-permanent-than-usual ban on Rothko (I seem to remember Matt's comments at the time being along the lines of 'leave-and-don't-come-back', though I could be misremembering). I hasten to add that I have no intention of starting an OMG! ROTHKO! controversy, which is why I mentioned it on a fairly inactive thread rather than making a new post or anything like that.
posted by matthewr at 1:52 PM on February 5, 2007


I'm a moderately handsome man, but I can puff out my face and tense my forehead in such a way that I scarily resemble a monkey. My wife finds it very unsettling.
posted by Burhanistan at 1:52 PM on February 5, 2007


Mister_A, I could probably be provoked to flame out, but I'm not there yet.

Sorry.
posted by Mr. President Dr. Steve Elvis America at 3:03 PM on February 5, 2007


Mister_A, I could probably be provoked to flame out, but I'm not there yet.

That's no way to start a negotiation. What would it take? How can I make this happen?
posted by grouse at 3:08 PM on February 5, 2007


I don't really care if I get banned, though.

Well, if you're taking that attitude, I think you owe us a flameout.

*nods encouragingly towards waiting stacks of pitchforks*
posted by languagehat at 3:13 PM on February 5, 2007


If this thing is still on, does anyone else mind mentioning some famous sock puppets? Investigating this AlexReynolds business is a blast.
posted by Pacheco at 9:38 PM on February 5, 2007


If this thing is still on, does anyone else mind mentioning some famous sock puppets? Investigating this AlexReynolds business is a blast.
posted by Pacheco


Pacheco, I was heretofore innocent of knowing about that issue and am really not better off for just having read some of the thread where he was banned. With all due respect, I think that trying to rehash things such as that is somewhat akin to a dog going back to his vomit. Best to let cleaned puddles remain invisible.
posted by Burhanistan at 9:58 PM on February 5, 2007


If you really, really need a famous sock fix, ready up on dhoyt. After that, nothing else really compares—and as its unlikely he's ever coming back around here, it's a bit less weird of an experience.
posted by cortex at 10:05 PM on February 5, 2007


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